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84. "That page is playing SOOO fast and loose with data. "
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First off the page keeps going between NYC and US stats. Then they are using old ass stats!!!! Look here:




>https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/facts-not-fear-how-welcoming-immigrants-benefits-new-york-city/
>
>FACT: This is not an unprecedented surge in immigration
>
>While New York City is seeing an unprecedented number of
>asylum seekers relying on the City’s shelter system, the
>U.S. and New York City have seen periods of comparable or
>greater growth in our immigrant population in the past:



I mean up top they are admitting that it's an unprecedented numbers of asylum seekers. That's the story. That's the whole issue. The system for Asylum seekers are overwhelmed in the US. It's weird they try and throw away that fact when that's the fact New Yorkers care about.




> The immigrant population in the U.S. has only risen
>marginally since 2021 — the growth of our immigrant
>population in 2022 is 2 million less than what the U.S.
>Census Bureau previously projected.
> The period from 2012 to 2022 saw slower growth in the
>immigrant share of the population than the 2000s, 1990s,
>1980s and 1970s.
> In the 1990s, the U.S. immigrant population grew
>exponentially. The number of immigrants in the U.S. grew
>from 19 million to over 30 million between 1990-2000, an
>almost 5% increase in immigrants as a share of the total U.S.
>population.
>
>The undocumented population in the U.S. has largely remained
>stable over the past 15 years.



> The undocumented population peaked in 2007. The number of
>undocumented immigrants in the U.S. rose from an estimated
>3.5 million people to a high of 12 million people between 1990
>and 2007.
> Since 2007 until 2021, the undocumented population in the
>United States has remained stable. It has not grown, but
>rather hovered around 11 million people nationwide for the
>last 15 years.


OK. Now they are using US stats. OK. Maybe that has remained stable but people have been saying it's a crisis for a long time. If we all acknowledge that the system is broken and not working, how can that not be a crisis?

New Yorkers are now getting to understand it's a crisis because now they have to deal with it.



The undocumented population in New York City has been
>declining over the last decade. Approximately 476,000
>undocumented immigrants lived in NYC in 2019, the most recent
>year data is available, as compared to 504,000 in 2018.


OK now they are back to talking about NYC and going to try and say with a straight face that the number is declining by looking at the last decade. But look at footnote 59. The citation for that is a document from 2020. A year that include the pandemic!!!

As the page later admits there is a global migration crisis in the last few years but why are they citing numbers that are 4 years old!?!?!?!

Venezuela, a country of 28 million, has had about 7 million people flee the country. Now only a fraction of them are ending up in the US but with numbers like that how can there not be a migration crisis?!?!







>
>_________________________
>I'm not denying that it's not an issue, and a serious one at
>that, but we as a country have more pressing issues. I think
>housing as a whole is much more of a crisis, and the reason
>why immigrants seem so much more visible now then they have in
>the past. NYC has always struggled with adequate housing for
>lower and middle class people, and now the entire country is
>being buried under high interest rates for buying and higher
>rents for renting, which of course leads to less housing for
>people whom are under even more financial strain and the added
>pressure of not being documented.
>


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Do you think we have a migration crisis? [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-10-24 10:47 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Dude, it's BOTH
Jan 10th 2024
1
LOL @ "full"
Jan 10th 2024
3
      Lady G just worried about every migrant getting a 'vote blue no matter
Jan 10th 2024
4
           lol
Jan 10th 2024
6
No. I think we need an overhaul of how we *deal* with migration/the bord...
Jan 10th 2024
2
Dealing with the root causes we helped create also may be worth
Jan 10th 2024
5
      Yea that's exactly what I'm getting at.
Jan 10th 2024
7
      Geez, is it possible to get voters to understand that Trump Sanctions
Jan 10th 2024
9
All I can add is these folks be reproducing at a high rate
Jan 10th 2024
8
End of the day, it's all a game of who's got the most people....
Jan 10th 2024
10
      You sounding Replacement Theory Adjacent my guy
Jan 10th 2024
13
      a LOT of bad shit happens because of THIER beliefs fam……
Jan 10th 2024
21
      I have mixed feelings on this because they do take jobs from Black folk
Jan 10th 2024
14
           Do you really know blue collar, HS educated Black folk and dropouts
Jan 10th 2024
16
                I’ve worked more blue collar jobs than white collar jobs in my lifetim...
Jan 10th 2024
20
                     RE: I’ve worked more blue collar jobs than white collar jobs in my lif...
Jan 12th 2024
50
"Migrants" are a big-time security issue at a minimum
Jan 10th 2024
11
I'm not a big Eric Adams supporter, but he isn't completely wrong.
Jan 10th 2024
12
basically
Jan 10th 2024
19
it's bad
Jan 10th 2024
15
It's one of those problems that only politics can solve though.
Jan 10th 2024
17
      doomed
Jan 10th 2024
18
           Then the republicans have an advantage politically.
Jan 11th 2024
22
must be an election year if we're talking crisis at the border
Jan 11th 2024
23
Biden's fault
Jan 11th 2024
24
what is this 'open door' policy you speak of?
Jan 11th 2024
25
Obama did more than GW as well. It's a common misconception
Jan 11th 2024
26
Tens of thousands of asylum seekers..
Jan 11th 2024
27
      but why is it 'Biden's' open door policy? when it was never Trump's?
Jan 11th 2024
28
      Immigrants go through the immigration process
Jan 11th 2024
29
      So many half truths. When did Biden give a speech welcoming illegal...
Jan 11th 2024
30
           Half truths?? Stop being lazy
Jan 11th 2024
31
                anytime someone says go research
Jan 11th 2024
33
                This is a straw man argument
Jan 11th 2024
34
                     no it isnt. You can just point people to the video
Jan 12th 2024
40
                     Either post the links or STFU
Feb 11th 2024
90
                I've listened to the meeting you're referring to
Jan 11th 2024
35
                     Deport is kind of stretch
Jan 11th 2024
36
                     It's a best hits of reactionary takes without any consideration for larg...
Jan 12th 2024
38
                          LOL
Jan 12th 2024
39
                     But that's not how that meeting went!!!
Jan 12th 2024
42
                          WE HEARD THE AUDIO, STOP LYING
Jan 12th 2024
48
                               You are so unserious. Here is the whole audio. Just point to where he s...
Jan 18th 2024
51
                                    Unserious? I'm older than you...
Jan 18th 2024
60
in the 50s Compton was 100% white
Jan 11th 2024
32
Bro you beat me to it lol
Jan 12th 2024
37
      so many ingredients in that word salad
Jan 12th 2024
49
Nah Corps fault
Jan 12th 2024
41
      What does he mean by replace the Black Vote?
Jan 12th 2024
43
      That's what I'm trying to figure out
Jan 12th 2024
44
      I meant exactly what I said
Jan 12th 2024
47
           you expect groups the Dems help to vote for them? Really
Feb 07th 2024
70
      I love this feign igorance angle
Jan 12th 2024
45
           You not giving details just going on the attack
Jan 12th 2024
46
                he talks like we had Georgia forever and Abrams lost it
Jan 18th 2024
52
                     Exactly
Jan 18th 2024
54
JULIOS, WILL NOT, REPLACE US
Jan 18th 2024
53
That's not even good math.
Jan 18th 2024
55
Here is why Black People talking Replacement Theory is Dumb AF
Jan 18th 2024
56
I appreciate this breakdown
Jan 18th 2024
57
I think those are fair considerations but I also see alot of Black Peopl...
Jan 18th 2024
58
      language barrier and some of them dont fuck with us
Jan 18th 2024
59
RE: Here is why Black People talking Replacement Theory is Dumb AF
Jan 19th 2024
61
Sure, if you ignore the racism, anti-blackness and heavy in-group bias.
Feb 07th 2024
67
idiots went to the border to stop the "invasion," now mad they got lied ...
Feb 06th 2024
62
we fall for the rope-a-dope every 4 years, politically that is
Feb 06th 2024
63
that usatoday piece is heat.
Feb 08th 2024
72
we have a foreign policy issue
Feb 06th 2024
64
US has taken its AIDS infected dick
Feb 07th 2024
65
^
Feb 07th 2024
66
I 100% agree...but what do we do now?
Feb 07th 2024
68
      Right.
Feb 07th 2024
69
      #1 thing we can do is to try to mitigate climate change
Feb 09th 2024
75
           no shade but this sounds like a fucking scam
Feb 09th 2024
78
                it's easier to do that than interfere in 30+ countries politics
Feb 09th 2024
82
                     I'm not an expert, but i think IMF/World Bank loans
Feb 09th 2024
83
                          ^^^^^
Feb 10th 2024
86
                          We don't control the IMF/World Bank though
Feb 10th 2024
87
Brilliant Politics or Giving Away the Farm?
Feb 08th 2024
71
even if your only concern is Joe Biden winning in November
Feb 08th 2024
73
      My guy, look at the vote here at liberal, progressive mostly black OKP.
Feb 09th 2024
74
           the cities where there is an influx are facing a crisis
Feb 09th 2024
79
it's been a long running issue, but it's not a crisis
Feb 09th 2024
76
How is 100k new undocumented people in NYC not a BFD?
Feb 09th 2024
77
cause your own comptroller said it's not *shrug*
Feb 09th 2024
81
     
We don't have an interstate crisis
Feb 09th 2024
80
yes, it started in 1492 and the europeans won't go back
Feb 10th 2024
85
cosign
Feb 10th 2024
88
100%
Feb 11th 2024
89
      ^^^^
Feb 12th 2024
91

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