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76. "ahhh, the new negro argument. I respectfully disagree"
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This is a subject that gets me going.
But it goes like this:

Every generation, there is a tendency for some black people to declare, this is a new moment for black people, the past can only inform us but sooo much.

Amiri Baraka called in the Black Arts Movement in the 1960s.
Trey Ellis called it the New Black Aesthetic in 1989.
Pharrell Williams called in 'The New Black' in the 2010s.
(OJ lightweight said it when he said I am not Black, I'm OJ)

And I don't disagree that every time things were different, but I think its a mistake to cut off our past and not learn anything from it, and not seeing certain things that might not ever change.

In other words, I think it's kind of dangerous to not make black kids aware of our past, our journey and some of the obstacles that we as black people have always faced.

And I think it's possible to thread the needle of making them aware of the obstacles, without leaving them defeated before they even start or feel any sort of inferiority.

It's hard an complicated but its worth it so your kid doesn't turn out like Candace Owens or the black maga guy dancing in that video.

At the same time, I get what you are saying. I got kind of lightweight annoyed when their class read "Hair Like Mine" because it wasn't until they read that book that they had any notion that some people view their hair as inferior. Sure, some kids need to read the book because of their experience. But my kids didn't (and maybe not in a classroom).

And I 100% disagree with this "we were raised with the self-image of being victims and "less than""

No. No. No. For example, being raised in Black Nationalism/NOI household you are not only taught you are not inferior, but you are taught that you are SUPERIOR to your white counterparts. Even short of that, it is 100% possible to be raised racially conscious and not have inferiority issues.


Finally, not to say I got it figured out. I am not working with a plan really and just kind of winging it with my kids who are definitely in a different environment then I grew up (Ie, sending them to white majority schools). It's not like we sit them down for talks. we do a lot of gentle nudging. I mean, yall can clown me, but I think just having my kid watch Black-ish when they were young was super helpful in having some of those convos or alerting them to certain things so they didn't find out the hard way.

They are in the 7th grade and are really starting to run into the first little racial incidents. They usually come in the form of their little friend group pushing the boundaries on what they can say and get away with.

This week. I heard this story. These kids wanted to form a group where no joke was off-limit. My kids weren't in it and even told another black boy don't do it ("have some racial dignity" my son told him). Anyway the asian kid did it and then of course the white kid cross the line and started doing squinty eye jokes. My son told him to cut it out and he didn't so my son recorded him. white kid freaks out and begs him to delete it. My son says nah I am going to hold onto it, you should act right going forward.

My kids didn't want to tell us about it because they thought we would go to the school and complain about the kid. We didn't because we felt like we liked the way my son handled it. In fact, proud of how he handled it (yes this is low key stuntin). We also don't mind that our kids will continue to be friends with this kid. . Some might think it's important to escalate to the school the other kids parents, at this age, we think it's important for our kids to know to check folks when it happens, and if stops, keep it moving. My boys don't need the stress of a schoolwide scandal.

Anyway, all this is to say, be careful with that post-Black stuff.




>We're in a COMPLETELY different world right now...and what
>worked back then, doesn't work now.
>
>We have NOT explicitly talked about racism with our children
>in the same way that we were "taught"....or should I say had
>fear instilled in us from a young age.
>
>No matter how you slice it, despite all the talks about Black
>pride, perseverance, turning the other cheek, being strong,
>etc., etc., etc....we were raised with the self image of being
>victims and "less than". I don't want that for my children at
>all. We haven't figured out a way to teach them about racism,
>at this young age anyway, without them forming a false
>impression in their young minds of how that aligns with their
>identity.
>
>We are doing our best to raise them human, citizens,
>individuals, Americans, children of Mr. & Mrs. FLUIDJ,
>grandchildren, part of a long history.....and wrapped up in
>all of that is of course their Blackness. We are teaching
>them that they need to move in this world focused more on the
>friends that they make, and the people that they DO like and
>that DO like them rather than the people that don't. The goal
>is for them to get it in their heads that those people don't
>matter and time shouldn't be wasted on them...white, Black,
>black, or anything...


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Did your parents talk to you about racism? [View all] , 3CardMolly, Sat Jan-20-24 06:18 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Not really.
Jan 20th 2024
1
RE: Not really.
Jan 20th 2024
2
when I was 6 or 7 I was at the movie theater
Jan 21st 2024
3
RE: when I was 6 or 7 I was at the movie theater
Jan 21st 2024
5
      My school hated seeing my mom walk into the front office
Jan 22nd 2024
11
           RE: My school hated seeing my mom walk into the front office
Jan 22nd 2024
23
16 years old, got invited to a "white party"
Jan 21st 2024
4
yeah but it was a more realistic approach
Jan 21st 2024
6
RE: yeah but it was a more realistic approach
Jan 22nd 2024
24
      yeah i think i was in the 4th or 5th grade
Jan 23rd 2024
33
           RE: yeah i think i was in the 4th or 5th grade
Jan 23rd 2024
38
nope.
Jan 21st 2024
7
RE: nope.
Jan 22nd 2024
25
he hasn't had a good life.
Jan 23rd 2024
27
      Thats sad.
Jan 23rd 2024
37
wtf? why did she say that shit?
Jan 23rd 2024
30
All THE time.
Jan 22nd 2024
8
This. I grew up around mostly black people, and that shaped my outlook
Jan 22nd 2024
13
RE: All THE time.
Jan 22nd 2024
26
They would school me on a situational basis.
Jan 22nd 2024
9
I got that book for my birthday. Just started it.
Jan 22nd 2024
12
RE: They would school me on a situational basis.
Feb 12th 2024
94
Yes, from as early as I can remember too
Jan 22nd 2024
10
RE: Yes, from as early as I can remember too
Jan 23rd 2024
39
(White)
Jan 22nd 2024
14
What was the conversation(s) like?
Jan 22nd 2024
15
Don't trust whitey?
Jan 22nd 2024
16
      LOL
Jan 22nd 2024
17
           That's dope - for real.
Jan 22nd 2024
18
           Yea I was very lucky.
Jan 22nd 2024
19
           Yeah that's pretty cool.
Jan 22nd 2024
20
                Yea for sure.
Jan 23rd 2024
28
                     RE: Yea for sure.
Jan 23rd 2024
40
how racist was he?
Jan 23rd 2024
36
      From a scale of Archie Bunker to David Duke?
Jan 24th 2024
56
      Definitely Archie Bunker
Jan 24th 2024
61
      this was my first thought. like, how do these 2 ppl meet and link?
Jan 26th 2024
84
Only After I Encountered It Firsthand
Jan 22nd 2024
21
Man, every story I hear makes it sound like "Bussing" was just a bad ide...
Jan 23rd 2024
29
We Earned Those Educational Opportunities
Jan 28th 2024
90
Port Richmond or Richmond, VA?
Jan 25th 2024
82
      RE: Port Richmond
Jan 28th 2024
89
not really but
Jan 22nd 2024
22
I’m looking at MSC cruises and Black folk keep talking about racism
Jan 23rd 2024
32
I quit teaching at a school
Feb 18th 2024
113
      My wife was hit by a latino kid in HS.
Feb 19th 2024
116
first time it really hit home. 5th grade
Jan 23rd 2024
31
RE: first time it really hit home. 5th grade
Jan 23rd 2024
41
      they were not friends
Jan 24th 2024
44
           yep, total wake up call
Jan 24th 2024
45
I grew up in a segregated Austin
Jan 23rd 2024
34
"I didn't have to have a talk about racism. I lived it."
Jan 24th 2024
47
      I guess its different if you lived it and dont talk about it
Jan 24th 2024
49
      Wasn't nothing to talk about really
Jan 24th 2024
51
           I think everyone had a first time
Jan 24th 2024
52
                My childhood wasnt like that
Jan 24th 2024
54
                     my kids were doing geometry at 18 months
Jan 24th 2024
59
                          Homie theres VHS Im not on a Katt Williams
Jan 24th 2024
62
                               Look how he swipes YOUR life experience away bc HE cant understand it
Jan 25th 2024
64
                               RE: Look how he swipes YOUR life experience away bc HE cant understand i...
Jan 25th 2024
68
                               RE: Homie theres VHS Im not on a Katt Williams
Jan 25th 2024
74
                                    RE: Homie theres VHS Im not on a Katt Williams
Jan 25th 2024
75
                                    i have a friend who intentionally has very little discussions about raci...
Jan 28th 2024
91
      From reading stories that folks posted looks as if things happened
Jan 24th 2024
50
           But wasn't every body here immersed?
Jan 24th 2024
53
                Who would be smug about being aware of race early?
Jan 24th 2024
55
                Fam, you could have just said your Folks didn't talk to you about race.
Jan 25th 2024
69
                     It woudlve ended with the same paragraph
Jan 25th 2024
70
                     Also I think you misunderstand me about intelligence
Jan 25th 2024
71
                I’m reading his post in a Ronnie Mathis voice
Jan 24th 2024
60
                     Lol, bruh
Jan 28th 2024
86
                          maybe its not intentional
Feb 14th 2024
110
yep but my father told me to never focus on it
Jan 23rd 2024
35
RE: yep but my father told me to never focus on it
Jan 23rd 2024
42
RE: yep but my father told me to never focus on it
Jan 24th 2024
58
Is your dad Carribean or African?
Jan 24th 2024
46
no he's from rural Georgia
Jan 24th 2024
57
      this is pretty dope.
Feb 12th 2024
97
Sounds like Condeleeza Rice’s parents
Jan 24th 2024
48
I took the subway and 2 busses to school. Plenty of time to listen to PE
Jan 24th 2024
43
good stuff
Jan 24th 2024
63
The expat adventures are so valuable
Jan 28th 2024
87
I'm Black & born in 76, so yes...but here's the thing:
Jan 25th 2024
65
Good post.. my daughter is 8 and will speak on folks skin color
Jan 25th 2024
66
Here's the current "struggle" for us. Going back home to NC to visit...
Jan 25th 2024
67
      lmao.. see, that sounds like normal convo for a Black household
Jan 25th 2024
72
           Yeah I'm not saying it wrong, but I recognized long ago it was the root
Jan 25th 2024
73
                word. I wonder if this is a southern thing
Jan 25th 2024
77
                     Possibly; it's not as pronounced on my wife's side. They from the D.
Jan 25th 2024
78
Its a balancing act. My kids are too young for Black ish
Jan 25th 2024
79
Two things:
Jan 25th 2024
81
*shrugs* not an argument for me. This is how we've chosen to raise
Jan 25th 2024
80
      IDK. I see this "doesn't diminish her self impression" talk though
Jan 25th 2024
83
Indeed
Jan 28th 2024
88
      How you put Nat Turner, Black Panthers and Bernhard Goetz in the same
Jan 29th 2024
92
           Goetz??? You mean Colin Ferguson right.
Feb 12th 2024
98
                Goetz was NYC subway in the 80's, Ferguson was LIRR in the 90's
Feb 13th 2024
103
                     Why doesnt Ferguson belong?
Feb 18th 2024
114
Yes, and....
Jan 26th 2024
85
Im taking a wild guess
Feb 12th 2024
99
      WAF
Feb 13th 2024
104
           RE: WAF
Feb 18th 2024
115
My mom was a Black Panther in Chicago in the 60s.
Jan 30th 2024
93
RE: My mom was a Black Panther in Chicago in the 60s.
Feb 12th 2024
100
Basically you can't do what your white friends do,
Feb 12th 2024
95
This brings a second post to mind
Feb 12th 2024
101
My mom told me not to trust ofays lol
Feb 12th 2024
96
RE: My mom told me not to trust ofays lol
Feb 12th 2024
102
RE: got called a nigger so much by the time I went to school
Feb 13th 2024
105
Damn, bro. Where'd you grow up?
Feb 13th 2024
106
      NC
Feb 13th 2024
107
           umm.. where do you live in NC?
Feb 14th 2024
109
           I don't live there anymore
Feb 19th 2024
117
                whew, drive by there on my way to Southport on 74.
Feb 19th 2024
120
                RE: 74? oh you know all about it then
Feb 19th 2024
121
                     I know to get food and gas and get back on the highway.. lol
Feb 19th 2024
122
                          RE: oh its super segregated like that
Feb 19th 2024
123
                Yikes...my wife is from down there (Nakina right outside Whiteville)
Feb 19th 2024
124
                     RE: never been there but I've heard about it
Feb 19th 2024
125
                          Yeah...when we dated in college in the 90s/00s, I'd drive down there
Feb 19th 2024
126
                               RE: you ain't kidding
Feb 19th 2024
127
           RE: NC
Feb 18th 2024
111
           RE: that I don't know
Feb 19th 2024
118
           RE:EDIT 2014 not 2017
Feb 19th 2024
119
Not really
Feb 13th 2024
108
RE: Not really
Feb 18th 2024
112

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