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Cold Truth
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139. "This is a whole lot of nothing, in the grand scheme of things."
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Fri Sep-17-21 01:36 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

>The only other source would be the vaccine manufacturers
>themselves, but the access to their data is limited at best.
>
>Heres some of the stuff we can find -
>
>https://www.fda.gov/media/151707/download
>https://justtheinserts.com/
>
>Just for the approved Pfizer jab we got basically 100% AEs,
>although all minor (soreness, fever, headache, etc). However
>we now know about substantial numbers of TEENS and young
>adults getting pericarditis and myocarditis, as they say
>themselves -
>
>"6.2 Postmarketing Experience
>he following adverse reactions have been identified during
>postmarketing use of COMIRNATY, including
>under Emergency Use Authorization. Because these reactions are
>reported voluntarily from a population of
>uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate
>their frequency or establish a causal relationship to
>vaccine exposure.
>Cardiac Disorders: myocarditis, pericarditis
>Gastrointestinal Disorders: diarrhea, vomiting
>Immune System Disorders: severe allergic reactions, including
>anaphylaxis, and other hypersensitivity reactions
>(e.g., rash, pruritus, urticaria, angioedema)
>Musculoskeletal and Connective Tissue Disorders: pain in
>extremity (arm)

What are those substantial numbers? I may hav3 missed it, but i don't see that.

>They admit clearly there is insufficient data for pregnant
>women (they were excluded from trials) -
>
>"8.1 Pregnancy
>There is a pregnancy exposure registry that monitors pregnancy
>outcomes in women exposed to COMIRNATY
>during pregnancy. Women who are vaccinated with COMIRNATY
>during pregnancy are encouraged to enroll
>in the registry by visiting
>https://mothertobaby.org/ongoing-study/covid19-vaccines/."

And?

>Ya'll are ready to vaccinate your kids but they are not deemed
>safe yet -

Who is "ya'll"?

It's well known that the vaccine hasn't yet been approved for kids under 12.


>"8.4 Pediatric Use
>Safety and effectiveness of COMIRNATY in individuals 16
>through 17 years of age is based on safety and
>effectiveness data in this age group and in adults >Adverse Reactions (6) and Clinical Studies (14.1)].
>The safety and effectiveness of COMIRNATY in individuals
>younger than 16 years of age have not been
>established."

Yes. I've already acknowledged that we have no data on long term effects. I've also pointed out that we've already seen significant positive outcomes in the short term in combatting the virus.

Moreover, pharmaceuticals and vaccines all have known side effects, and generally these impact people in very small numbers. We're all reasonably aware of this.

This very thread has establishedlished that the benefits of the vaccine dramatically outweighs the comparatively minimal known downsides

>We also don't know its effects on fertility -
>
>"13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
>COMIRNATY has not been evaluated for the potential to cause
>carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, or impairment of
>male fertility. In a developmental toxicity study in rats with
>COMIRNATY there were no vaccine-related
>effects on female fertility >(8.1)]."
>
>
>
>We can keep going on and on but I don't got the time to do
>your research for you.

Unlike you, I didn't ask you to do my research or point me to another source for my own claims.

Further, I've already acknowledged that we do not have data for long term effects.

>Yes, I agree, VAERS ain't the best source, but that's by
>design. We only got VAERS and the pharma co's themselves. You
>trust Big Pharma?

Who is Big Pharma? Further, that's an overly broad question. It's not that simple. I know that I've had success with great consistency with various pharmaceuticals for myself and my family over the year.

Vacccines are included in this.

I trust that long term, reliable consistency. This doesn't mean that I think that I can't some day find myself or a relative as one of those exceptions.

Further, you seem to mistrust all the positive data, while leaning heavy in support of far less- and less accurate-data.


>Earlier you said that the vaccine would help my people w heart
>disease and blood clots, and that you have no problems with
>them getting exemptions to the vaccine.
>
>What about kids?

What about them? There is currently no vaccine for kids under 12. Nobody is demanding they get vaccinated. There is

What about a healthy woman of 30 who wants
>to get pregnant and is concerned? What about her healthy
>husband who also is concerned? Are you flexible with them or
>is it fuck them too, like ya'll said about so many other
>people?

You seem to have this really odd and unfounded perception that I don't recognize valid and reasonable exemptions. No, religious beliefs don't qualify

Kids under 12 can't even get the vaccine.

Kids over 12 can and should get it. Im not going to do any research whatsoever on pregnant women, because pregnant women or women who want to get pregnant should consult their doctor for sound medical advice.

So-called healthy adults and pwrents of teenagers with cincerns should also consult their doctor to see if they have any existing conditions that would prevent them from getting vaccinated.

And no, merely having concerns isn't a good reason to not get vaccinated.

This is because those concerns are relatively simple to address for most people. Moreover, as you're doing, those concerns, when actually parsed out, don't amount to much. It's simply blowing potential downsides grossly out of proportion in order to demonize a vaccine that is clearly demonstrated to work with a massive net positive benefit.

This isn't to say that concerns aren't valid, but that the actual data behind the concerns is minimal, relative to their benefits.

>Meanwhile the CDC just published a study that children's BMI
>doubled in the last 2 years - "Among a cohort of 432,302
>persons aged 2–19 years, the rate of body mass index (BMI)
>increase approximately doubled during the pandemic compared to
>a prepandemic period. Persons with prepandemic overweight or
>obesity and younger school-aged children experienced the
>largest increases."
>
>https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037a3.htm?s_cid=mm7037a3_w
>
>Seems we are doing a great job with peoples health these days

Jesus christ. Stay on topic here.

  

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How many of yall gonna be forced to VAX by this new mandate? [View all] , Boogie Stimuli, Fri Sep-10-21 02:48 PM
 
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my company already did this, but I already had it anyway.
Sep 10th 2021
1
mine already had it somewhat
Sep 10th 2021
2
aint no somewhat anymore
Sep 10th 2021
5
Exact same situation at my gig. Verbatim
Sep 10th 2021
6
I work in Education so it's been trending that way
Sep 10th 2021
3
Nobody is going to force me to get vaccinated
Sep 10th 2021
4
lol word
Sep 10th 2021
7
^^
Sep 10th 2021
8
what the greater good?
Sep 10th 2021
10
I read about the microchip on Facebook on my iPhone!!!!!
Sep 10th 2021
15
*stands in this line*
Sep 12th 2021
54
My job already requires weekly testing even if you're vaccinated
Sep 10th 2021
9
I think that’s fair…
Sep 10th 2021
11
Of all the vaccinations for people to get hung up on...why this??? I.don...
Sep 10th 2021
12
for the same reason people think masks are oppression
Sep 10th 2021
16
Children aren't
Sep 10th 2021
17
The audacity to say they're dumb, while using the operative term "as",
Sep 10th 2021
18
      oh he's worse than dumb...but yes, very very dumb
Sep 10th 2021
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      98% survival rate
Sep 11th 2021
27
           Would you say you know 100 people?
Sep 11th 2021
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           People die everyday
Sep 12th 2021
40
                You didn't answer the question
Sep 12th 2021
43
           "98%" ignores the 1 in 6 that catch COVID have severe symptoms,
Sep 12th 2021
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           word. like Long Covid don't exist. mfers out here raising they hand to
Sep 12th 2021
55
           U.S. population is ~330M
Sep 13th 2021
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      Lol English bastardized mix of several European and African languages
Sep 11th 2021
26
           What did I say about childten getting COVID?
Sep 11th 2021
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Here's my unprofessional understanding what why it's different
Sep 11th 2021
20
understanding *of* why it's different... and another reason....
Sep 11th 2021
22
Is it because these sources are from known right-wing orgs/people
Sep 11th 2021
23
1. No.
Sep 11th 2021
24
      I very clearly noted that what I posted had evrerything to do with the s...
Sep 11th 2021
25
      Oh I see. You weren't done.
Sep 11th 2021
30
           Here's the thing: You've shirked off the burden of proof here.
Sep 11th 2021
31
                The main point of my reply to FluidJ was to communicate..
Sep 12th 2021
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                     You told me to either disprove the claims, or don't.
Sep 12th 2021
34
                          Indeed.
Sep 12th 2021
36
      Here's are multiple sources regarding the mRNA questions/issues.
Sep 12th 2021
33
      ...
Sep 12th 2021
35
           Show me where I said mRNA vaccines have been administered on a large sca...
Sep 12th 2021
37
                It's the question I asked. I thought you were answering.
Sep 12th 2021
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      I appreciate both of you guys' responses. I also applaud the deep dives ...
Sep 12th 2021
38
      I feel you
Sep 12th 2021
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           you genuinely understand the concerns
Sep 12th 2021
51
           props for being an adult
Sep 12th 2021
53
                No doubt
Sep 13th 2021
57
      you know what they always say
Sep 12th 2021
47
well, if someone wrote it, then it's true
Sep 12th 2021
45
Whoa,mRNA vaccines are NOT gene therapy. That's really bad misinfo
Sep 14th 2021
101
      because boogie is a misinformation agent
Sep 14th 2021
109
      I like Boogie
Sep 15th 2021
112
           if someone is trying to con you
Sep 16th 2021
121
      I appreciate the informative and concise response.
Sep 15th 2021
119
people are very bad at evaluating personal risk
Sep 12th 2021
44
also, we've had twenty years of antivax hysteria
Sep 12th 2021
48
      What are those reasons and flaws from your pov?
Sep 12th 2021
49
           affordable healthcare isn't as accessible and equitable as it should be
Sep 12th 2021
50
                Oh ok. Thanks for the contribution.
Sep 12th 2021
52
We we're mandated by an order on August 5th
Sep 10th 2021
13
Oh this post is gonna get good.
Sep 10th 2021
14
"good and turrble" (c) Coming to America
Sep 12th 2021
56
how come beltway media never asks...
Sep 11th 2021
21
Y'all will remember that I've been telling you about boogie for years no...
Sep 12th 2021
46
Liars and idiots trying to get Religious exemptions
Sep 13th 2021
58
I'm all for Religious exemptions
Sep 13th 2021
62
In the article it makes it clear it's mostly bullshit
Sep 13th 2021
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      I don't need an article to know that
Sep 13th 2021
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You don't need a specific religion you nitwit
Sep 13th 2021
78
I was vaccinated in late March. My job is officially requiring vaccinati...
Sep 13th 2021
60
same here...i was vaxed in April and was ahead of the curve...
Sep 13th 2021
79
I've Been vaxxed. No one should be forced to be vaxxed. nm
Sep 13th 2021
61
I don't think people should be forced to get vaccinated either
Sep 13th 2021
63
      Yall crazy as hell.
Sep 13th 2021
64
           Why do you keep talking about masks?
Sep 13th 2021
65
                vaccinated ppl wanna come out the mask and blame unvaxxed
Sep 13th 2021
66
                     I never called you anti mask.
Sep 13th 2021
69
                     as football season starts its weird seeing stadiums packed with unmasked...
Sep 13th 2021
71
                          Yeah, though I think we can now safely say...
Sep 13th 2021
72
                     But that is the case, biologically. Unvacc'd ppl serve as reservoir
Sep 13th 2021
70
                     lol..this is getting so weird...your preoccupation with masks that is......
Sep 14th 2021
80
                          Regarding transmission, Masks work. The vax....not so much
Sep 14th 2021
81
                               How/why do you say "The vax....not so much" ?? Literally have alive love...
Sep 14th 2021
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                                    TRANSMISSION transmission
Sep 14th 2021
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                                         I'd recommend checking tensile strength of your goal posts .....
Sep 14th 2021
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                                              nice deflection but as you stated above....I keep talking about masks..
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                   Why is it either/or with you? Both are necessary.
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                        The mask is necessary to reduce transmission.
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                             How/why are you so adamantly wrong??
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                             Masks used correctly have a lower transmission rate than vaccine alone
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                  There you go with the either/or...when literally nobody in this post is
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                       I am suggesting either or since some ppl don't want the vaxx
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                            Umm, I'm a lightweight introvert and I've rather enjoyed the past year o...
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                                 My condolences I'm sorry to hear of the losses you've endured.
Sep 14th 2021
107
                                                                                      Props for this response.
Sep 15th 2021
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                                                                                      ❤️ ❤️
Sep 15th 2021
118
                                                                                      appreciated.
Sep 16th 2021
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                                                                                      More people on the internet need to say things like this
Sep 16th 2021
131
                                                             RE: Unvaccinated person has same odds <-- this is extremely false.
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                             that capture is not what I said at all. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                             Ok, so if masks and social distancing are more effective
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                  Masks and social distancing are more effective re transmission
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                       lol
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                             To add to this...
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                  RE: To add to this...
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                       They ain't special
Sep 14th 2021
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                                                                            Work in healthcare, my unvaxxed families show up with saran wrapped hair
Sep 14th 2021
104
                                                                                 Yeah sis...but the absent part of my post is that...
Sep 15th 2021
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                                                             You’re wrong, the vaccine does reduce transmission
Sep 16th 2021
130
is it true that congress
Sep 13th 2021
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Executive branch can't force another branch to do something
Sep 13th 2021
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      i don't know
Sep 13th 2021
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      But WE GOTTA take it
Sep 13th 2021
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           The fuck are you talking about
Sep 13th 2021
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If I distrusted the mRNA vaccs, the fact that a brainiac Black woman
Sep 14th 2021
95
Eunice Rivers Laurie
Sep 14th 2021
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      Thank you for showing me how Black anti-vaxxers would view her.
Sep 14th 2021
100
           Oppenheimer thought his work was genius while he was doing it
Sep 14th 2021
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                You're right. Let me stop celebrating anything a Black person does.
Sep 14th 2021
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                Full ICUs should be enough for you to stop now
Sep 14th 2021
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i wonder what will happen at my job
Sep 15th 2021
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RE: i wonder what will happen at my job
Sep 15th 2021
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Hope they quit
Sep 15th 2021
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      RE: no ill effects
Sep 15th 2021
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           RE: no ill effects
Sep 15th 2021
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           CDC - VAERS website
Sep 16th 2021
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           If you are referencing VAERS submisisons as a reliable source...
Sep 16th 2021
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                RE: If you are referencing VAERS submisisons as a reliable source...
Sep 16th 2021
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                     .02% of ALL AMERICAS
Sep 16th 2021
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                     Ya'll realize these mandates aren't excluding my people?
Sep 16th 2021
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                     Nobody has issues with people who can't vaccinate.
Sep 16th 2021
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                          RE: Nobody has issues with people who can't vaccinate.
Sep 16th 2021
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                               The source you choose is absolutely an indictment of you
Sep 16th 2021
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                                    RE: The source you choose is absolutely an indictment of you
Sep 17th 2021
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                                         Copping pleas
Sep 17th 2021
135
                                         LOL you unhinged
Sep 17th 2021
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                                         Its about risk assessment
Sep 17th 2021
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                                         In every ice Cube sense, you ARE The mac
Sep 17th 2021
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                                         lets create a website where people report super powers
Sep 17th 2021
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                                              RE: This is a whole lot of nothing, in the grand scheme of things.
Sep 18th 2021
141
                                                   goalposts? what are you talking about?
Sep 18th 2021
142
Can't wait for my gym to use the passport next week
Sep 17th 2021
133

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