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13442486, This is a whole lot of nothing, in the grand scheme of things.
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Sep-17-21 01:30 PM
>The only other source would be the vaccine manufacturers
>themselves, but the access to their data is limited at best.
>
>Heres some of the stuff we can find -
>
>https://www.fda.gov/media/151707/download
>https://justtheinserts.com/
>
>Just for the approved Pfizer jab we got basically 100% AEs,
>although all minor (soreness, fever, headache, etc). However
>we now know about substantial numbers of TEENS and young
>adults getting pericarditis and myocarditis, as they say
>themselves -
>
>"6.2 Postmarketing Experience
>he following adverse reactions have been identified during
>postmarketing use of COMIRNATY, including
>under Emergency Use Authorization. Because these reactions are
>reported voluntarily from a population of
>uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate
>their frequency or establish a causal relationship to
>vaccine exposure.
>Cardiac Disorders: myocarditis, pericarditis
>Gastrointestinal Disorders: diarrhea, vomiting
>Immune System Disorders: severe allergic reactions, including
>anaphylaxis, and other hypersensitivity reactions
>(e.g., rash, pruritus, urticaria, angioedema)
>Musculoskeletal and Connective Tissue Disorders: pain in
>extremity (arm)

What are those substantial numbers? I may hav3 missed it, but i don't see that.

>They admit clearly there is insufficient data for pregnant
>women (they were excluded from trials) -
>
>"8.1 Pregnancy
>There is a pregnancy exposure registry that monitors pregnancy
>outcomes in women exposed to COMIRNATY
>during pregnancy. Women who are vaccinated with COMIRNATY
>during pregnancy are encouraged to enroll
>in the registry by visiting
>https://mothertobaby.org/ongoing-study/covid19-vaccines/."

And?

>Ya'll are ready to vaccinate your kids but they are not deemed
>safe yet -

Who is "ya'll"?

It's well known that the vaccine hasn't yet been approved for kids under 12.


>"8.4 Pediatric Use
>Safety and effectiveness of COMIRNATY in individuals 16
>through 17 years of age is based on safety and
>effectiveness data in this age group and in adults >Adverse Reactions (6) and Clinical Studies (14.1)].
>The safety and effectiveness of COMIRNATY in individuals
>younger than 16 years of age have not been
>established."

Yes. I've already acknowledged that we have no data on long term effects. I've also pointed out that we've already seen significant positive outcomes in the short term in combatting the virus.

Moreover, pharmaceuticals and vaccines all have known side effects, and generally these impact people in very small numbers. We're all reasonably aware of this.

This very thread has establishedlished that the benefits of the vaccine dramatically outweighs the comparatively minimal known downsides

>We also don't know its effects on fertility -
>
>"13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
>COMIRNATY has not been evaluated for the potential to cause
>carcinogenicity, genotoxicity, or impairment of
>male fertility. In a developmental toxicity study in rats with
>COMIRNATY there were no vaccine-related
>effects on female fertility >(8.1)]."
>
>
>
>We can keep going on and on but I don't got the time to do
>your research for you.

Unlike you, I didn't ask you to do my research or point me to another source for my own claims.

Further, I've already acknowledged that we do not have data for long term effects.

>Yes, I agree, VAERS ain't the best source, but that's by
>design. We only got VAERS and the pharma co's themselves. You
>trust Big Pharma?

Who is Big Pharma? Further, that's an overly broad question. It's not that simple. I know that I've had success with great consistency with various pharmaceuticals for myself and my family over the year.

Vacccines are included in this.

I trust that long term, reliable consistency. This doesn't mean that I think that I can't some day find myself or a relative as one of those exceptions.

Further, you seem to mistrust all the positive data, while leaning heavy in support of far less- and less accurate-data.


>Earlier you said that the vaccine would help my people w heart
>disease and blood clots, and that you have no problems with
>them getting exemptions to the vaccine.
>
>What about kids?

What about them? There is currently no vaccine for kids under 12. Nobody is demanding they get vaccinated. There is

What about a healthy woman of 30 who wants
>to get pregnant and is concerned? What about her healthy
>husband who also is concerned? Are you flexible with them or
>is it fuck them too, like ya'll said about so many other
>people?

You seem to have this really odd and unfounded perception that I don't recognize valid and reasonable exemptions. No, religious beliefs don't qualify

Kids under 12 can't even get the vaccine.

Kids over 12 can and should get it. Im not going to do any research whatsoever on pregnant women, because pregnant women or women who want to get pregnant should consult their doctor for sound medical advice.

So-called healthy adults and pwrents of teenagers with cincerns should also consult their doctor to see if they have any existing conditions that would prevent them from getting vaccinated.

And no, merely having concerns isn't a good reason to not get vaccinated.

This is because those concerns are relatively simple to address for most people. Moreover, as you're doing, those concerns, when actually parsed out, don't amount to much. It's simply blowing potential downsides grossly out of proportion in order to demonize a vaccine that is clearly demonstrated to work with a massive net positive benefit.

This isn't to say that concerns aren't valid, but that the actual data behind the concerns is minimal, relative to their benefits.

>Meanwhile the CDC just published a study that children's BMI
>doubled in the last 2 years - "Among a cohort of 432,302
>persons aged 2–19 years, the rate of body mass index (BMI)
>increase approximately doubled during the pandemic compared to
>a prepandemic period. Persons with prepandemic overweight or
>obesity and younger school-aged children experienced the
>largest increases."
>
>https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037a3.htm?s_cid=mm7037a3_w
>
>Seems we are doing a great job with peoples health these days

Jesus christ. Stay on topic here.