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85. "Funny, I disagree with this review sooo vehemently. "
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I think it's wrong-headed for soo many reasons. Namely:

1. This review, like many of the negative reviews I have read about the film, give WAAAY to much agency to the writer & director. I mean I will admit my initial reaction is I didn't want to watch a white writer/director tell a black romance story and I watched it for the sole purpose of being able to properly tear it apart (I guarantee some of the people trashing it in this post haven't seen the movie). When I saw the movie it didn't line up with my expectations and I did the research to figure out why and it became clear. Denzel's Son (DS) and Zendaya were not passively casts by Barry Levinson's son (BLS). This is just as much Zendaya's project. It was her idea to do a movie with BLS, she approached him to find a project they could do under COVID conditions. This is what they came up with. THEY cast DS. DS and Zendaya funded the project (along with Kid Cudi, yeah random). There are all these articles and video clips where DS and Zendaya talked about their role in shaping the story and dialogue. Yeah DS came up with a story based on his experience but all these reviews premised on the idea that BLS is doing blackface ventroquilism isn't factually correct and belittles and erases Zendaya and DS's contributions to this project.


2. It was after reading this line I stopped reading and had to check the race of the author.

"as a Black director, is only compared to other Black directors as opposed to people like William Wyler and Billy Wilder? Does he mean real directors, or does he mean white directors? Does he mean that he doesn't like to be compared to John Singleton and Spike Lee because they are not good, or because they are Black and what he does, what Malcolm does, is entirely independent of his identity as a Black man? Is he suggesting that he has no identity as a Black artist? "

Sorry to reduce it to race but I don't think a black writer would write this. As a black creative, I 100% identify with the concern of being pigeon-holed into thinking that I am only a black writer and I have no place writing outside of writing black work. Its the reason why in my first project I wanted to make clear I could write for white characters. Its a reason why Shonda Rhymes creates the shows the way she does. It was a motivation for Spike to do 25th hour. It is not at all a diss of Spike or Singleton or Jenkins and it in no way elevates Wilder over those great black directors. And the discussion of whether black art is political by its nature is also a discussion that goes back as long as black creatives have had voices. Amari Barakai was talking about it when he wrote, paraphrasing, all black art is political and if it ain't political it isn't black art. its what Trey Ellis wrote about in his seminal essay the New Black Aesthetic. Its what I wrote my thesis on. Incidently, I spent a great portion of my thesis trying to define "Black Film" and by that old definition, I think there is a strong argument to be made that M&M isn't Black Art but that's another discussion. At any rate, again, its insulting to think that BS su generis created this debate and ignores the black artist and intellectuals who have been struggling to define black art and the politics of Black Arts as long as there has been black art.


3. But most importantly, only the critics give a sh*t about the debate about critics and black art. Go to twitter and search "Malcolm and Marie" and you will see, besides the critics, most people are not talking about the meaning of criticism and the nature of black art. Look at this post. What are people talking about? For the most part, what people were invested in and talked about is toxic relationships. Its by far the most compelling thing about the movie. Its what people Identified with (for better for worst) and had a lot to say about it. In fact, and sorry for the generalization, I went to twitter fully expecting Black Woman to overwhelming hate the movie because DS was so toxic but I was surprised to see how many black women identified with it. I think that's a testament to Zendaya's fingerprints on the movie, not BLS.

4. Look I am not even here trying to argue that this is a "great movie". TBH, I am not sure yet. My wife asked if she should watch it and I not sure I can recommend it. I want to watch it again (when I feel like watching it again). Alot of people aren't interesting in watching people fight for 90 minutes. However, I think the critical response doesn't reflect how a large segment is seeing the movie who don't know anything about the director, or that "white lady from Variety". TBH, I think there is a lot of handwringing over some "white lady from Variety" who may or may not exist to the extent it is drowning out what Zendaya and Denzel's Son accomplished. To put another way, to view this movie so narrowly regarding how it might hurt the feelings of a "white lady from variety" misses out on the best thing going for the film and the thing that non-critics responded to.









>But very rarely do you see one where blackness is used by the
>white filmmaker as a shield against criticism of his own white
>work. And rarely by a filmmaker that's so marginally
>talented.
>
>I liked this review of the movie a lot and agreed with most
>everything said within it:
>https://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2021/02/malcolm-marie.html
>
>So yeah, Bradley Rockwell is gonna betray white folks on this
>one, lol.


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Who is TA in Malcolm & Marie? [View all] , Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Feb-08-21 12:09 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
I value mystery. the unknown...
Feb 08th 2021
1
I just love that this movie can get made
Feb 08th 2021
2
it's truly amazing
Feb 08th 2021
3
      dsdgsgsh
Feb 08th 2021
4
      truly groundbreaking and precedent setting
Feb 08th 2021
7
      whatcha mean?
Feb 08th 2021
5
           you watched a movie about a white man and his white wife
Feb 08th 2021
6
           I don’t give a sh*t about that...
Feb 09th 2021
14
           but did you know a white man...
Feb 09th 2021
19
           Who is going to break to folks who wrote & directed Coming to America?
Feb 09th 2021
20
                explain your point
Feb 09th 2021
32
           please show me where I said you can't watch movies by white people
Feb 09th 2021
31
                because you mentioned the writer being white...
Feb 09th 2021
41
                     no one said you can't enjoy the movie
Feb 09th 2021
42
                          why did you mention the writer is white?
Feb 09th 2021
46
                               because it's extraordinary to see a white director and a white writer
Feb 09th 2021
47
                                    dude. none of that matters tho...
Feb 09th 2021
50
                                         no one is on your back. you asked.
Feb 09th 2021
52
                                              fair point n/m
Feb 09th 2021
53
           which movie?
Feb 09th 2021
22
                assassination nation.
Feb 09th 2021
33
                     interesting thanks...i WON'T check it out LOL
Feb 09th 2021
39
           You watched a movie carried solely by 2 young black actors
Feb 08th 2021
8
                Bruh please don't even bother
Feb 08th 2021
9
                I guess it's just a coincidence
Feb 09th 2021
11
                     You know I have repeatedly asked you to not interact with me.
Feb 09th 2021
15
                          harrassing is a stretch..you are really a trip
Feb 09th 2021
21
                          Yo I just want to discuss the film
Feb 09th 2021
24
                          Bizarro world. You'll get called "unstable" for responding
Feb 09th 2021
29
                          ...no one has been called unstable for responding
Feb 09th 2021
43
                          nobody has stopped you from talking about the movie
Feb 09th 2021
35
                          you're being a baby. just don't respond to him then
Feb 09th 2021
38
                          you mean the film directed by a white man?
Feb 09th 2021
26
                          I can't make you interact with me, you just do.
Feb 09th 2021
34
                you just glad one of your fellow white men got a movie made
Feb 09th 2021
13
how you not going to thank your inspiration/paramour?
Feb 08th 2021
10
ask the writer since it's based on his actual life
Feb 09th 2021
12
I forgot to answer the question...
Feb 09th 2021
16
Another Question: Do you argue like Malcolm & Marie?
Feb 09th 2021
17
No but that’s kind of why I’m a Mark for this genre of movie
Feb 09th 2021
18
well, I’ve ruined a beautiful day for a lover once...
Feb 09th 2021
23
did he deserve it or were you just being petty?
Feb 09th 2021
25
**looks around***
Feb 09th 2021
45
Cursing is one thing. But saying the type of things you can't take back...
Feb 09th 2021
27
      you learn early on what to take to heart when arguing
Feb 09th 2021
28
      Malcolm was vicious with it...
Feb 09th 2021
56
LOL.
Feb 09th 2021
36
      Dude you are WILD.
Feb 11th 2021
77
i didn't know
Feb 09th 2021
30
After some thought, I voted blue.
Feb 09th 2021
37
he thanked everyone but her...
Feb 09th 2021
48
Don't get me wrong, it's a conversation that must be had
Feb 09th 2021
54
      so, girlfriends are forgotten?
Feb 09th 2021
55
           ...girlfriends don't make the family picture cut lol
Feb 10th 2021
60
                lol
Feb 10th 2021
61
his day ws due to her life story and he didn't thank her etc
Feb 09th 2021
57
Should he have thanked all of his exes too?
Feb 10th 2021
59
      just the one he was with NOW.
Feb 10th 2021
      just the one he was with NOW.
Feb 10th 2021
66
      He admitted at the end that the movie was, at its core, about Marie.
Feb 11th 2021
72
           Meh, you're not entitle to thanks for your life inspiring something
Feb 11th 2021
73
                even if Wyclef and Lauren lived together when she won the grammy?
Feb 11th 2021
75
                Miseducation isn't about one guy whose life is just like Wyclef's, lol.
Feb 11th 2021
79
                     I thought we were talking about inspiration here
Feb 11th 2021
82
                          because it was after...
Feb 11th 2021
83
I was feeling this from Jump.
Feb 10th 2021
64
it wasnt just his day. it was supposed to be for them
Feb 16th 2021
93
i only clicked on this post to find out what TA meant lol
Feb 09th 2021
40
You really don't see the irony/disconnect/hypocrisy of...
Feb 10th 2021
63
      lol nice try.
Feb 10th 2021
67
That mac and cheese had to have been al dente as fuck
Feb 09th 2021
44
I was so confused about the mac and cheese
Feb 09th 2021
49
      idk but it made me want some lol
Feb 09th 2021
51
      there's a story behind that
Feb 09th 2021
58
Did Malcolm previously cheat on Marie?
Feb 10th 2021
62
I didn't get that impression.
Feb 10th 2021
65
I didnt watch the whole thing..
Feb 11th 2021
68
you don’t see anything wrong with him not thanking her?
Feb 11th 2021
69
      boxed mac n cheese aint nothing to hold over my head
Feb 11th 2021
70
Malcolm stole her life for his movie, didn't thank her...
Feb 11th 2021
71
^^^race traitor
Feb 11th 2021
74
I've liked many movies about black people by white writers/filmmakers.
Feb 11th 2021
80
      travis jervey is rolling over in his grave smh
Feb 11th 2021
81
     
           You're better than me
Feb 12th 2021
86
           Frank is a thoughtful person, worth engaging.
Feb 12th 2021
87
           are people reviewing the film or the director
Feb 12th 2021
88
           I've never seen Euphoria. Or this first film folks seem to hate.
Feb 12th 2021
89
                lol
Feb 12th 2021
90
                Euphoria was wild.. and she was a recovering addict in that series too
Feb 16th 2021
94
           LOLLLLLL
Feb 12th 2021
91
very good...
Feb 11th 2021
78
      I was exhausted with the long ass rants and guilt trips
Feb 12th 2021
84
Boffum
Feb 11th 2021
76
"Both". They are fucked up, emotionally immature people. However...
Feb 16th 2021
92
Zendaya says y'all trying to strip away her Agency
Feb 23rd 2021
95
oh hell nah... DIS A WHITE MANS FILM
Feb 23rd 2021
96
let's wait 5 years and see how she talks about this movie then
Feb 24th 2021
97
everyone involved in this movie needs their agency stripped.
Feb 24th 2021
98

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