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14. "genetic analysis seems to support a Euro or Ural/Volga origin"
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>Prior to that the people would have looked more
>"traditionally" asian/native/inuit (from my perspective) all
>the photos of the Sammi were taken after a conservative 1,000
>years of assimilation/blending

When I first learned about them (through music, the exotic-sounding 'joik') I actually originally assumed the Sami were a brown people because of a conditioned conflation of 'indigenous' with non-white.

Regardless of that, while
a) a lot of the scientific language is over my head; and
b) there is some disagreement between studies over exactly how much of the Sami gene pool is non-European (specifically Asian),

there seems to be a scientific consensus supported by genetic analysis that, while they are genetically distinct, the Sami are European in origin.

from https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707618928

"It suggests that the large genetic separation of the Saami from other Europeans is best explained by assuming that the Saami are descendants of a narrow, distinctive subset of Europeans. In particular, no evidence of a significant directional gene flow from extant aboriginal Siberian populations into the haploid gene pools of the Saami was found."

"We conclude that the phylogeography of mtDNA and Y-chromosome variants that correspond to the maternal and paternal gene pools of the Saami does not provide any evidence for the Saami population arising among the northernmost Uralic-speaking populations—Siberian Ugric and Samoyedic speakers—or among any other aboriginal Siberians. The Samoyeds are the least genetically close to the Saami among the people of the Uralic language family, whereas nearly all of the mtDNA and Y-chromosomal heritage of the Saami can be adequately explained within the European pools of the two haploid genetic systems. This genetics-based reconstruction (fig. 4) is in agreement with the reconstruction of the spread of Ahrensburgian and Swiderian Mesolithic technologies in northern Europe, linking it with population expansion that can be likely traced back to the post–Last Glacial Maximum recolonization of the European north (Torroni et al. 2001; Tambets et al. 2003). The results also stress that the grouping of populations according to language families should be used exclusively only in a linguistic context."

and several others, mix of primary and secondary sources:

https://www.laits.utexas.edu/sami/dieda/hist/genetic.htm

https://www.nature.com/articles/5201712

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/12/the-men-of-the-north-the-sami/



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First modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin (swipe) [View all] , Boogie Stimuli, Wed Feb-07-18 11:49 AM
 
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They should call him Cheddar Bay Biscuit Man *rimshot*
Feb 07th 2018
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Cheddar Man? Jordan's distant ancestor discovered.
Feb 07th 2018
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RE: First modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin (swipe)
Feb 07th 2018
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I feel like folks were already widely distributed by 10k BC
Feb 07th 2018
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the agricultutral revolution was in full swing by then
Feb 07th 2018
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      this is why 10-12k bc is so freaking fascinating to me
Feb 07th 2018
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           warlike
Feb 07th 2018
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                probably not as warlike as what came after
Feb 07th 2018
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                     Myths and legends say otherwise. And human nature seems unchanged
Feb 07th 2018
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                          Damn near all myths and legends are from after the neolithic revolution
Feb 07th 2018
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                          i feel like there was a real flood (possibly issue with the ice caps)
Feb 07th 2018
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                               there were prolly hella floods (plural) as the ice melted
Feb 07th 2018
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                                    and just BANG BANG BANG BANG
Feb 07th 2018
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                                    Any number of scenarios could produce cataclysmic flooding
Feb 08th 2018
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been known e.g. grimaldi man and no they can't keep it 100%
Feb 07th 2018
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Sami?
Feb 07th 2018
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      Gothic people weren't fully entrenched in the region until 800ad
Feb 07th 2018
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                If European is being used synonymously with 'white' it's problematic
Feb 07th 2018
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fascinating article, thanks for posting
Feb 07th 2018
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Why's this news? I visited the Museum of Nat'l History and they agreed.
Feb 07th 2018
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i think i misread
Feb 07th 2018
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