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Fri Dec-11-15 12:42 PM by Jon

          

New developments tend to lean toward what I
>outlined above (Suburban style housing, HOAs, lack of
>walkability, exclusiveness, etc.).
>
>Why aren't these NEW developments being built in "urban"
>styling?
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Exactly. It's frustrating and needs to change. That's my point.



>And where are these new, gentrifying residents that
>I've "lumped in" with others coming from?
Seems like many are
>the children of the very people that vote and act against any
>whiff of "urban" making its way into their cul-de-sac.
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Everyone has their own story, but yes, many of them are the CHILDREN of a generation that still loves their cars and lawns. They might often be in the same family, but aren't the same people. The solution isn't to scorn the children for valuing better development patterns. It's for everyone who hates gentrification to join hands with ppl who love pedestrian-oriented development and push for more places worth living in. To increase the supply.



>Like it or not, you can't ignore the overwhelming influence
>that race and income have had on how living spaces in this
>country have been and continue to be built.
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I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying the solution isnt to keep the majority in the suburbs, its to make more urbanity. We can argue about how many gentrifiers are closet racists til we're blue in the face, but it doesn't solve the issue that there needs to be enough supply for everyone regardless of who's the biggest jerk on the block.


>There is plenty of space available in most major cities in the
>US. Aside from NYC, most aren't anywhere close to their 1960s
>population numbers. Yet, there's an artificial demand created
>because wealthy folks cluster in specific areas and drive the
>longtime residents out, instead of spreading out more evenly
>throughout the city, taking advantage of cheaper real estate
>and vacancies.
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Very precious few places in the US are built physically in a way that supports the kind of vibrant pedestrian oriented lifestyle that NYC, Boston, and a handful of other spots provide. They move there because of the lifestyle and amenities, not because they are on a conference call with other wealthy white ppl from distant suburbs and think "let's you come from Nebraska, Tim come from Montana, and Lisa come from Idaho and we'll all descend on NYC do demographically displace the people already there" when they already live in a demographically homogenous place of their own. They move to New York for the lifestyle and opportunity.


>
>Edit: It's not just about white v. black here... I'm seeing
>blue collar whites being gentrified out of a neighborhood near
>me now. The new residents, overall, don't mess with the people
>that grew up there (even though they are all white). Rather,
>they treat them like outsiders.
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I agree, and its a shitty thing whenever a bunch of people move somewhere and don't respect the people who are already there.

Still, the solution is more supply so those ppl don't necessarily all end up moving to Brooklyn.

  

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Gentrification is a myth (swipe) [View all] , southphillyman, Fri Dec-11-15 09:00 AM
 
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how are they defining gentrification?
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Wealthy people displacing poor residents from their neighborhood
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      base
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           I also have a question I am wondering aloud
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A number of people have critiqued this article, but suffice to say,
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He does touch on one thing I've been saying bluefaced for a while now
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The problem is far more complex than just creating more urban spaces
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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      RE: The problem is far more complex than just creating more urban spaces
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           Yeah but its less about places to live
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           It is about places to live, you just said so
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           good example of this is Detroit.
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           The "they" I speak of are wealthy people and their children
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                     I'm in 100% agreement with you about needing new urban spaces
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LOL @ "We're better than latinos!!"
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Man...do any of you all frequent the city-data.com forums????
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Can you blame a resident for selling when their value doubles or triples...
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RE: Man...do any of you all frequent the city-data.com forums????
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I do, but usually for other forum board discussions.
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tell it to the whitegirl mobs on lenox ave these days
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