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22. "I'm glad you used the term "allowed to" - b/c that's what's at issue"
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In your estimation, who should be the arbiter of what is and isn't allowed
when it comes to a free press and artistic community?

What are the principles and legal theories that should predominate?

but people who say that Charlie Abdo is xenophobic usually don't realize
that many of the artists at Abdo are leftist liberals who mock and lampoon
the far right (namely the Le Pen hard line nationalist) contingent with similar
visceral burn. They don't pull punches for any group.

That said - I do like the discussion many are having about what value
"punching down" has in a progressive society. That is, even though many
are valiantly running to defend freedom of expression and the right of a free press -
what also needs to be at discussion is how we can devalue hateful speech/art
that is intended to insult/harm. But the answer is not to ban and restrict
artistic expression. It's to develop a more empathetic and synergetic culture -
openly and honestly.


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French comedian faces trial over Facebook comments (WSJ) [View all] , Vex_id, Wed Jan-14-15 09:36 PM
 
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pas de liberté d'expression pour vous l'homme noir
Jan 14th 2015
1
RMC!
Jan 14th 2015
3
This dude has always been under fire in France though
Jan 15th 2015
5
its disgusting
Jan 15th 2015
20
It just feels like more war is coming.
Jan 14th 2015
2
You're not-- don't even let me get my tinfoil hat
Jan 15th 2015
4
Clearly all speech is restricted; this is 1 of their restrictions.
Jan 15th 2015
6
This is the angle I would have been arguing in all those other posts.
Jan 15th 2015
7
The law seems consistent with French principles. The Pleven Law
Jan 15th 2015
8
This...
Jan 15th 2015
9
What exactly are the french principles?
Jan 15th 2015
10
      'Let then eat cake' and 'Off with your head'
Jan 15th 2015
11
      well the state will fund different schools
Jan 15th 2015
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      There is a distinction between principle and practice
Jan 15th 2015
14
           I also think there's a cultural divide shaped by each...
Jan 15th 2015
16
                Exactly, and on the other side, we have been more fearful of the
Jan 15th 2015
17
                I get the French prohibitions on "inciteful speech". Rwanda needed that...
Jan 15th 2015
19
                so why's the magazine allowed to run amuck & foster xenophobia
Jan 15th 2015
21
                    
i think the line is pretty friggin clear...
Jan 15th 2015
13
Selective liberty of expression
Jan 15th 2015
15
a nerds reply:
Jan 15th 2015
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