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Mongo
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16. "I also think there's a cultural divide shaped by each..."
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Thu Jan-15-15 11:24 AM by Mongo

  

          

...country's historical narrative.

France has experienced fascism in a way the United States can't really comprehend.

My sense is that as a country, it perceives society as susceptible to certain forms of speech, and that perception of vulnerability has woven itself into the political culture, so the laws in place are intended to stop it before it grows.

The United States (arguably) hasn't experienced the same kind of totalitarian political and social collapse France has.

So we're less suspicious of inflammatory speech, and feel that it's unhealthy to exclude it from the national dialog.

Individual rights are much more enshrined in America's culture and law than France's.

For better or worse.

From my perspective, Dieudonné is a piece of shit, but you don't censor him.

But I never had to live under the Vichy regime, so I don't know how fair it is to level criticism.

  

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French comedian faces trial over Facebook comments (WSJ) [View all] , Vex_id, Wed Jan-14-15 09:36 PM
 
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pas de liberté d'expression pour vous l'homme noir
Jan 14th 2015
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RMC!
Jan 14th 2015
3
This dude has always been under fire in France though
Jan 15th 2015
5
its disgusting
Jan 15th 2015
20
It just feels like more war is coming.
Jan 14th 2015
2
You're not-- don't even let me get my tinfoil hat
Jan 15th 2015
4
Clearly all speech is restricted; this is 1 of their restrictions.
Jan 15th 2015
6
This is the angle I would have been arguing in all those other posts.
Jan 15th 2015
7
The law seems consistent with French principles. The Pleven Law
Jan 15th 2015
8
This...
Jan 15th 2015
9
What exactly are the french principles?
Jan 15th 2015
10
      'Let then eat cake' and 'Off with your head'
Jan 15th 2015
11
      well the state will fund different schools
Jan 15th 2015
12
      There is a distinction between principle and practice
Jan 15th 2015
14
          
                Exactly, and on the other side, we have been more fearful of the
Jan 15th 2015
17
                I get the French prohibitions on "inciteful speech". Rwanda needed that...
Jan 15th 2015
19
                so why's the magazine allowed to run amuck & foster xenophobia
Jan 15th 2015
21
                     I'm glad you used the term "allowed to" - b/c that's what's at issue
Jan 16th 2015
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i think the line is pretty friggin clear...
Jan 15th 2015
13
Selective liberty of expression
Jan 15th 2015
15
a nerds reply:
Jan 15th 2015
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