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"More stand-up beef? W. Kamau Bell: "Sarah Silverman is a racist.""


  

          

most of you are saying W. Kawhat who? Bell is a pretty well known comic in the bay area and recently opened up for Chappelle and company on the Block Party tour. i came across this on his MySpace blog:


Tuesday, February 07, 2006


Sarah Silverman is a racist.
Current mood: indescribable
Category: Movies, TV, Celebrities

I put this sentence at the end of a bulletin I posted recently. And the funny thing was the amount of responses that I got to that comment and not to the bulletin itself. (Though at this point I don't even remember what it was about either.) I put it in randomly. It was a thought rolling through my head at the time, but not because it was a "joke". I actually do believe it.

ANYWAY... Here's my point. First of all despite what people may think since I am a comedian, I don't have any INSIDE information as to her racism. (I have only met her once BRIEFLY several years ago, and like much of that alterna-stand-up crowd, she seeeeeeemed nice at the time... but then why wouldn't she?) I just saw her movie, Jesus is Magic, and I was... well... not so much stunned as I was disappointed in how racism is apparently becoming chic amongst the hipsters. (I guess if they can make Coldplay hip ANYTHING is possible.)

Watching her act I was just left cold by how racist jokes are apprently OK when they come out of a mouth of a beautiful woman who allegedly coats them in IRONY, but somehow when Larry the Cable Guy does his red state/redneck jokes(some of which are racist), David Cross and Lewis Black speak out aganst him in Rolling Stone. Rolling Stone is the same magazine that places the mantle of both Lenny Bruce AND Richard Pryor on Silverman's shoulders.

To quote Eddie Murphy in RAW, "GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!"

Sarah Sliverman NO PERCENTAGE of either Lenny Bruce OR Richard Pryor. (I have to believe that she would admit to this.) Those tw GENIUSES used the topics of race and sex to criticize the status quo AND to further the discussion of these topics along, not to just titillate as she does.

There is NOTHING wrong with titillation as long as it is not dressed up as intelligent social criticism.

It's not that I don't think she is funny. I GET THE JOKES. In fact, that is most of my problem... After listening to all of her racist jokes in her movie, I walked out thinking, "I GET IT, SARAH! All the stereotypes about black people are TRUE. Thanks for the update." I'm sure many would say that I am missing the ironic twist... YOU'RE CORRECT! After five or six of her jokes supporting the same stereotypes that have been perpetuated in the U.S. for four hundred years, I COMPLETELY MISS THE IRONY. Her comedic point of view on race seems so simplistic and unevolved. I would think her act was BRILLIANT... if she was twelve... or if it was out of the mouth of a comedic character who is CLEARLY an idiot... you know, like Andrew "Dice" Clay. His first album is still hilarious

The experience of watching her movie was all made the more pathetic for me due to the fact that these jokes are performed in front of a mostly white audience. (I say mostly, because I did actually see ONE black guy in the audience. And yes he was laughing... maybe because he came with white people.)

The ultimate tragedy of this is that Hollywood clearly not only condones this, but sees it as brilliant. In a time of incredible comics like Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle, and... (Well, I guess that's all we have for now.) who are clearly links to Bruce and Pryor AND are working hard to advance society's conversation about race it is painful to see Silverman SOOOOO celebrated. I will conclude with what I often say in situations like these, if me and all my friends (comics, performers, musicians, and artists) were as successful as her I wouldn't even blink an eye at her antics.

And YES, I know her act isn't all about race, but anyone familiar with her knows that it's basically 70% jokes that put down women and 30% jokes that put down minorities.

I'll leave it to someone else to cover that other 70%.

  

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More stand-up beef? W. Kamau Bell: "Sarah Silverman is a racist." [View all] , bignick, Wed Apr-12-06 08:35 AM
 
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To quote Eddie Murphy in Raw...
Apr 12th 2006
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Nick and I have had this convo in real life...
Apr 12th 2006
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co-sign
Apr 12th 2006
4
And there you have it.
Apr 12th 2006
6
No he makes a point of saying her act isn't entirely the racist stuff
Apr 12th 2006
7
So you admit her career is based on her looks
Apr 12th 2006
12
Your logic is crazy.
Apr 12th 2006
30
      Pryor's race wasn't the basis of his humor
Apr 12th 2006
33
           cosign, to an extent
Apr 12th 2006
37
           RE: Pryor's race wasn't the basis of his humor
Apr 14th 2006
79
                Don't throw out your back
Apr 14th 2006
85
But racism isn't banal, that's the cop-out...
Apr 12th 2006
18
RE: But racism isn't banal, that's the cop-out...
Apr 15th 2006
89
My biggest problem...
Apr 13th 2006
75
      RE: My biggest problem...
Apr 14th 2006
80
He also thinks the ONLY current brilliant comics are Chris Rock and Dave...
Apr 12th 2006
3
I like this sentence:
Apr 12th 2006
5
Aside from the joke, though, that's one of the best ideas in the post
Apr 12th 2006
14
      generally speaking
Apr 12th 2006
28
i didn't think she was racist until her joke about black women
Apr 12th 2006
8
The joke has to be malicious though
Apr 12th 2006
9
you're right, but it just gave me too much insight into her thinking
Apr 12th 2006
10
      Deep down,I think white women may think that...
Apr 12th 2006
11
      This is the original point, IMO
Apr 12th 2006
13
           ^^^ stole my post, and that's a weak justification overall
Apr 12th 2006
15
           Yes,that is the challenge
Apr 12th 2006
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           But you can be funny without being racist
Apr 12th 2006
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           Of course you can be funny without being racist
Apr 12th 2006
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           But if you are going to spew racism, you better challenge
Apr 12th 2006
21
                Yes she should
Apr 12th 2006
22
                     But people treat her like she's better, that's the difference
Apr 12th 2006
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                          Exactly. Everyone overanalyzes her stuff
Apr 12th 2006
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                          Those people are wrong though
Apr 12th 2006
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                               Well then we agree, although it's disappointing because...
Apr 12th 2006
27
           Murs is a misogynist?
Apr 12th 2006
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           She doesn't dig deeper cause she's not talented enough to
Apr 12th 2006
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           RE: This is the original point, IMO
Apr 14th 2006
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                Come on, this is getting ridiculous
Apr 14th 2006
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      what you just described
Apr 13th 2006
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I don't see anything wrong with the joke, It's pretty sharp actually
Apr 20th 2006
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to me the race stuff is just shock value humor
Apr 12th 2006
24
Out of curisoity,
Apr 12th 2006
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Well...
Apr 12th 2006
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      I love the story he has about seeing a movie with his mom
Apr 12th 2006
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does she make any effort to point out the irony tho, like rock and chape...
Apr 12th 2006
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You KNOW she don't.
Apr 12th 2006
41
RE: More stand-up beef? W. Kamau Bell: "Sarah Silverman is a racist."
Apr 12th 2006
36
Just wondering...who would you say is a brilliant working comic?
Apr 12th 2006
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RE: Just wondering...who would you say is a brilliant working comic?
Apr 13th 2006
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      So do you have the same feelings about people like David Cross
Apr 13th 2006
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           You think Cross and Silverman are similar?
Apr 13th 2006
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                Yes he is
Apr 13th 2006
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                     fortunatley for him though
Apr 13th 2006
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Fuck you!
Apr 13th 2006
43
RE: More stand-up beef? W. Kamau Bell: "Sarah Silverman is a racist."
Apr 13th 2006
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oh yeah...i seen your great gazoo hat wearing ass. you funny, dogg
Apr 13th 2006
48
Said it before, I'll say it again:
Apr 12th 2006
39
That "Kamau-whatizname" just posted right above you
Apr 12th 2006
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If he ain't see this already, I'll get at bruh. Thanks.
Apr 13th 2006
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      RE: If he ain't see this already, I'll get at bruh. Thanks.
Apr 13th 2006
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RE: Said it before, I'll say it again:
Apr 13th 2006
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She's not a Racist. Shes just NOT FUNNY.
Apr 13th 2006
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she's the white paul mooney n/m
Apr 13th 2006
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please, paul mooney hate white people...there's no irony to it
Apr 13th 2006
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I forgot how divisive Sarah Silverman is on these boards.
Apr 13th 2006
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Irony and sarcasm don't magically remove the sentiment
Apr 13th 2006
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But what if thats not what she's doing?
Apr 13th 2006
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Okay, response v. intent, how do we judge it?
Apr 13th 2006
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Okay, response v. intent, how do we judge it? ----> "we" don't
Apr 13th 2006
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      Oh no, this is the internet. "We" judge here.
Apr 13th 2006
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Then she isn't "talented"
Apr 13th 2006
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      RE: yes huh!!
Apr 13th 2006
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           We basically agree
Apr 13th 2006
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                Irony, the quiet killer...
Apr 13th 2006
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RE: Irony and sarcasm don't magically remove the sentiment
Apr 14th 2006
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RE: I forgot how divisive Sarah Silverman is on these boards.
Apr 13th 2006
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      ^^^ said it much better than me ... also, CAN DANNY AINGE!!! ^^^
Apr 13th 2006
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           Nukes is a tough decision
Apr 13th 2006
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                You know, on a more serious note...
Apr 13th 2006
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i think it's racism mixed with laziness. raziness? lacism?
Apr 13th 2006
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RE: i think it's racism mixed with laziness. raziness? lacism?
Apr 13th 2006
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this post good for several free drinks or puffs next time you're in LA.
Apr 13th 2006
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RE: i think it's racism mixed with laziness. raziness? lacism?
Apr 13th 2006
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this post need some 'regular black guy who appreciates white humor'
Apr 14th 2006
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there are at least 2 of those in this post.
Apr 14th 2006
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i saw all her shit too...still ain't like the black women are ugly joke
Apr 14th 2006
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      RE: i saw all her shit too...still ain't like the black women are ugly j...
Apr 14th 2006
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           correction
Apr 14th 2006
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                You know what's really funny
Apr 14th 2006
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perhaps if her white/jew jokes were a bit more scathing
Apr 15th 2006
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You couldn't be more wrong.
Apr 15th 2006
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      question
Apr 19th 2006
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      depends on the audience...
Apr 23rd 2006
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           cop out alert.
Apr 23rd 2006
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      there's a difference between "dark" and "vicious"
Apr 19th 2006
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      jews love money, mexicans are dirty, black girls are ugly
Apr 23rd 2006
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           She has plenty of jokes about money-grubbing jews
Apr 23rd 2006
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                RE: She has plenty of jokes about money-grubbing jews
Apr 23rd 2006
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I've said it before, the bitch is Ann Coulter with an even more awful de...
Apr 25th 2006
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Sarah Silverman: Fucking and Sucking (swipe)
Apr 25th 2006
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This is exactly my issue with her
Apr 25th 2006
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I've read that article before
Apr 25th 2006
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      it actually makes her seem anti-funny somehow.
Apr 25th 2006
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           I also disagree that she's "playing to the highest common denominator"
Apr 25th 2006
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i've never heard her, but if folks gotta debate IF you're funny...?
Apr 25th 2006
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