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133. "PTP favorite Entertainment Weekly breaks down The Twist (long swipe)"
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Mon May-06-13 04:24 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

We know, you hated it and the movie sucked ass nuts and they cheated and it makes no sense and ew is just a bunch of tools who write meaningless bullshit.

Stop reading this, then.

ew.com:

>'Iron Man 3' does WHAT to The Mandarin? -- SPOILER ANALYSIS

by Anthony Breznican

SPOILER ALERT! Here’s fair warning: Don’t read this unless you’ve already seen Iron Man 3.

Winston Churchill famously described Russia as “a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.” Swaddle those things one more time in a green, gold-fringed robe and you can also apply that phrase to Ben Kingsley’s villain The Mandarin in Iron Man 3.

Except … when the core of the character finally comes to light, we get a revelation that few could have expected from such an iconic comic-book badass.

EW spoke with the filmmakers and can now peel back the four layers of this super-villain twist to show how — and why — it all happened this way …

Layer 1. Mandarin backstory: Why he was cut from the first Iron Man
Layer 2. Spoiler Room: How Iron Man 3 warps the classic villain
Layer 3. Why Marvel said yes …
Layer 4. They deceived us all — by never lying

“If you were forced to say, ‘who is Iron Man’s greatest foe,’ you’d probably have to say The Mandarin,” says producer and Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige. “It’s not because he’s been in a ton of quintessentially classic stories — because he hasn’t been, really. He’s just been around a lot. He just goes back a long, long time.”

The Mandarin made his first appearance in Tales of Suspense #50 in 1964. In the comic book mythology, he was was a Chinese exile who ends up exploring a remote, forbidden valley where he finds the ruins of a crashed alien spaceship. Inside the craft, he discovers ten power rings, each with a different ability, which allow him to unleash havoc on the world.

When Feige and Co. were putting together the first Iron Man movie, it seemed like a natural decision: The villain had to be The Mandarin. They even announced he would be the heavy when they first came to Comic-Con in 2006.

“He was in every Iron Man 1 script until about 10 weeks before we started filming,” says Feige. “He was a contemporary of Tony Stark. He was younger. He was involved in business deals with (Stark.)” This Mandarin was trying to secure Stark’s vast weapons manufacturing resources, and Jeff Bridges’ character — Obadiah Stane, a mentor of Stark’s, would have been a kind of sidekick villain. “We’d have revealed that Obadiah was the mole on the inside,” Feige says. “But it did’t work. It didn’t work.”

So they took it out. And Obadiah Stane was promoted to Public Enemy No. 1, sporting a primitive form of the armor for a final battle as the Iron Monger. “So Mandarin has always been this sort of thing where, ‘Boy, we’d love to do the Mandarin — but thank God we took The Mandarin out of Iron Man 1.”

The Mandarin didn’t make the cut for Iron Man 2 either, with Mickey Rourke’s Whiplash serving as the main heavy instead. Tom Hiddleston’s celestial troublemaker Loki was the prime antagonist in The Avengers. But when it came time to produce Iron Man 3 — what could be the last of the Tony Stark stand-alone films (at least for several years) — they finally decided to pull the trigger on Iron Man’s “greatest” foe.

But there was still a problem.

“Marvel was of a mind … they wanted to know how to do the Mandarin,” Iron Man 3 director and co-writer Shane Black tells EW.

“Part of it was that we would rather have the Mandarin be of indeterminate ethnicity than the Fu Manchu stereotype that the comic books portrayed, but that’s not the only reason,” Black says. “I wanted to do something that was an interesting story choice, that felt like there was a little bit of satire, that was a little bit about our own fear and our own ways of viewing villains.”

Love or hate it, you can’t deny that what they ultimately did to this version of The Mandarin was a bold and risky choice.

http://youtu.be/5EjG-1U3wqA

“Some people call me a terrorist. I consider myself a teacher,” Ben Kingsley’s version of The Mandarin snarled in early previews. “Lesson #1: Heroes – there is no such thing.”

Interesting word choice there, because it turns out that his villain … is also “no such thing.”

The terrorist who takes over the television airwaves to claim responsibility for various bombings around the world is a front, a sham. The Mandarin is created as way to make high-tech bio-accidents look like purposeful attacks on the military, by way of protecting the developers whose healing Extremis serum sometimes has volatile, catastrophic side effects for its users — causing them to detonate like living bombs.

Kingsley’s true character? A clueless, cowering, dim-witted actor named Trevor.

It’s not that The Mandarin isn’t in the movie — it’s just that he’s not the character you think he is, which leads to one of the most unexpected twists in the mythology of any recent superhero saga. Instead we find out that Guy Pearce’s scientist-entrepreneur Aldrich Killian is the true mastermind, although in the Extremis graphic novel, he is merely a desperate scientist who commits suicide after selling the formula to a domestic terror group.

In Iron Man 3, the character gets to go full on Big Bad. “Ultimately we do give you the Mandarin, the real guy, but it’s Guy Pearce in the end with the big dragon tattooed on his chest,” Black says. “He says, ‘You don’t understand, I’ve been this guy since I was born. I’ve been embodying him in this (actor) that I’ve had proxying for me, but it’s really me.’”

Feige notes that every character in the movies — from Tony Stark to his various villains — has some degree of variation from the comics.
“There was a point where it becomes an extreme change,” Feige acknowledges. “It was nerve wracking.”

It was not an easy choice to greenlight, but Marvel chief Feige says it’s sometimes important to break with tradition, even at the risk of alienating some purists. “Shane really had a lot of great ideas about identity and about false faces and about anonymity,” he said.

Black and co-writer Drew Pearce proposed this argument in favor of The Mandarin twist: “What if he’s sort of this all-things-to-all-people uber-terrorist? What if he is the myth, and in the end that is what we’re dealing with, a created myth that (a research group) has perpetuated and cobbled together using elements from popular consciousness,” Black says. “It felt like it said more about the world we live in than just having (Iron Man) fight another terrorist, as opposed to putting a spin on it that said something about the way we view terror, perhaps.”

“What it says to me is, we have to be careful. We want to find villains in the world, but it’s a complex world,” Black adds. “If you’re smart in this world, you’ll rule by proxy because the minute you stick your face out there and assign yourself to the role of international villain you become this symbolic target.”

Was it hard to persuade Marvel to take that leap with one of its classic villains?

“Do they hand me a blank check and say, ‘Go break something!’ Or, ‘Go violate some long-standing comic book treaty that fans have supported for years?’ No, but they’ll say: ‘Let’s break something together,’” Black says. “So it’s okay to come up with these crazy things, these far out ideas … and they’ll fly. It’s just that the Marvel guys have to be in the room.”

The other truly shocking thing is that the movie’s secret managed to stay under wraps. There were no early revelations of the twist, and most outlets have refrained from discussing it in a story like this until after the movie opened. Now, of course, it’s fair game to discuss.

So now let’s look back at how the filmmakers protected that secret.

“We’ve been very honest,” Feige notes.

http://youtu.be/VcZdrfDeJTo

This recent TV spot includes some lines that become quite revealing in retrospect: Stark’s declaration, “You’re not a man!” is just one.
“You’ll never … see me … coming,” snarled by Kingsley’s character, is another. We sure didn’t.

Iron Man becomes Irony Man.

Marvel first showed off Kingsley as The Mandarin in footage shown at Comic-Con last July — which included that intimidating, Nixonian voice over about how there is “no such thing” as heroes. That was only the first time they tipped their hand about truth and fiction.

In October, Marvel publicly debuted the first images of Kingsley’s character in EW, and Feige gave an interview explaining some of the details of this interpretation.

>>>One of the first things we addressed was the character’s complicated heritage. Kingsley is not, of course, Chinese, but Feige says they wanted to blur the background of this version of The Mandarin. “It’s less about his specific ethnicity than the symbolism of various cultures and iconography that he perverts for his own end,” Feige says. From his samurai hair, to his royal robe, to his bin Laden-esque beard, and the AK-47 he keeps at his side, Kingsley’s interpretation is a hodgepodge of various warrior motifs.<<<

Again, without revealing the twist, Feige was still being totally honest about The Mandarin. He spoke the truth about how the character was an amalgamation of symbols, skewed for the purposes of the true wrongdoers.

It was in that interview that Feige confirmed the Ten Rings worn by The Mandarin would not be magical alien artifacts, despite the existence of extra-terrestrials being a big part of the climactic battle in The Avengers.

Here’s another hint Feige coyly dropped, which reads very differently after you actually have seen the movie.

>>>“A lot of this movie is about characters going back into the shadows for various reasons and characters who have been in the shadows coming out and into the light for the first time,” Feige says. “It is Tony who, for various reasons, finds himself receding into the darkness. I don’t mean emotional darkness, I mean literally ducking out of the spotlight. And we’ll see other characters stepping up who have pulled strings from the background, starting to show their hand.”<<<

He’s talking about The Mandarin, all right. But it’s Pearce’s Mandarin, and not Kingsley’s.

Well played, Marvel. Sometimes truth is the most powerful deceiver.

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And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming

  

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Iron Man 3 (Black, 2013) (SPOILERS) [View all] , bwood, Tue Oct-23-12 07:20 AM
 
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Big ups to Shane, man
Oct 23rd 2012
1
Word!!!
Oct 23rd 2012
2
      riggs was destined to die in the LW movies
Oct 27th 2012
35
Now that looks tight.
Oct 23rd 2012
3
He said at comic con that
Oct 23rd 2012
4
      Cool.
Oct 23rd 2012
7
Great trailer
Oct 23rd 2012
5
mandarin got dem rangs!!!
Oct 23rd 2012
6
seems odd...
Oct 23rd 2012
8
I wish it showed even less.
Oct 23rd 2012
9
You think Thor 2 will be dark?
Oct 23rd 2012
11
... dark is in the title.
Oct 23rd 2012
12
haha.
Oct 23rd 2012
15
LOL, true
Oct 23rd 2012
18
dying.
Oct 24th 2012
21
Since when did "dark" start meaning "Christopher Nolan"?
Oct 24th 2012
29
basically
Oct 24th 2012
20
Anyone notice this?: http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/10/23/mandarin-captai...
Oct 23rd 2012
10
That makes things interesting actually...
Oct 23rd 2012
16
i'm in...
Oct 23rd 2012
13
Also, I gotta say that I'm ecstatic that the triangle is not coming back...
Oct 23rd 2012
14
Guy Pearce playin a villain again?
Oct 23rd 2012
17
love all this Shane Black love
Oct 24th 2012
19
dude was like a guy film screenwriter and I just now realized
Oct 24th 2012
24
      WOLFMANS GOT NARDS
Oct 27th 2012
36
Entertainment Weekly had a good analysis of the trailer
Oct 24th 2012
22
funny analysis
Oct 26th 2012
34
Iron Patriot armor @ 0:56?
Oct 24th 2012
23
It's Iron Patriot armor, but
Nov 02nd 2012
42
Who ISN'T in for this? I mean really...
Oct 24th 2012
25
Ghostface Killah reviews the Iron Man 3 trailer
Oct 24th 2012
26
I clicked that thinking it was Big Ghost NaMean
Oct 25th 2012
31
RE: Iron Man 3 (Black, 2013)
Oct 24th 2012
27
well, we don't know *this* Mandarin's back story
Oct 24th 2012
28
nope.
Oct 25th 2012
30
Not upset about it
Oct 25th 2012
32
You sound like those pissed off Yakubians
Oct 25th 2012
33
how do i sound pissed off?
Oct 27th 2012
39
he IS asian.
Oct 27th 2012
37
No
Oct 27th 2012
38
no... and i wish they'd cast zoe saldana in the role
Oct 28th 2012
40
I'm glad they reimagined the character instead of going with that
Oct 28th 2012
41
agreed
Nov 02nd 2012
43
Actually, I am.
Jan 22nd 2013
45
he's actually mixed English/Chinese in the comics
May 06th 2013
116
A really nice article
Jan 21st 2013
44
whats a "teacherer"????
Jan 30th 2013
46
Hopefully, seeing this tomorrow morning...
Apr 05th 2013
47
I'd love to hear what you thought afterwards
Apr 06th 2013
48
Got a call from Marvel today apologizing profusely, that I got
Apr 20th 2013
49
You're the only OKP I'd actually want to be
Apr 22nd 2013
50
You don't wanna be me
Apr 24th 2013
51
      lol..not literally man. I say it in jest
Apr 24th 2013
52
It opened here today, think I might go tomorrow.
Apr 24th 2013
53
That Shane Black magic works everytime. (Mild Spoilers)
Apr 25th 2013
54
I'd love for Shane to take over from here.
Apr 25th 2013
55
Honestly, I'd love for them to hold off for a while.
Apr 26th 2013
57
      It would actually be interesting if they'd do that.
Apr 26th 2013
60
           Exactly. I think RDJ would be down for a cameo every once in a while
Apr 26th 2013
64
less technology?
May 06th 2013
117
      That was once. Most of the film it was Tony using his wits.
May 06th 2013
128
I think this was the best of the three.
Apr 26th 2013
56
Yea, don't get suckered into the Real D 3D or IMAX 3D
Apr 26th 2013
58
      Fuck, I already got my ticket for the IMAX 3D
Apr 26th 2013
59
           Saw it IMAX 3D but it didn't add much to it.
Apr 26th 2013
61
           Hopefully, you're doing the 12:01 show cause you get this
Apr 26th 2013
65
Also, the post credits scene was ass.
Apr 26th 2013
62
Na nigga. It was perfect.
Apr 26th 2013
63
I agree
May 03rd 2013
78
"it was ass" "it was cool"
Apr 26th 2013
66
BTW here's where this movie ranks in 2013 so far
Apr 26th 2013
67
How much of Gravity did you see?
Apr 26th 2013
68
      Obviously, the 17 minute opening shot
Apr 26th 2013
69
           I fucking hate you
Apr 28th 2013
71
Anyone else re-watching the others?
Apr 28th 2013
70
So the Chinese version has 4 minutes of bullshit *link*
May 02nd 2013
72
great adventure...
May 02nd 2013
73
Does this being a hit get us any closer to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 2?
May 02nd 2013
74
We gotta throw Val Kilmer on a treadmill.
May 03rd 2013
81
Just got back, and...
May 02nd 2013
75
Primarily, it works as hilarious entertainment. (No spoilers)
May 03rd 2013
76
Very entertaining. It's a bit of Shane Black's Greatest Hits.
May 03rd 2013
77
LOVED IT! The most impressive thing to me was....
May 03rd 2013
79
***SPOILERS***
May 03rd 2013
80
Heard this was converted to 3D, is the 3D worth it?
May 03rd 2013
82
Fuck no. See it in 2D.
May 03rd 2013
83
No not at all
May 03rd 2013
84
Neither hurts nor helps.
May 03rd 2013
86
Me and my lady had a great time watching it last night
May 03rd 2013
85
There were a few theaters on the east coast that did the 9:00 thing
May 03rd 2013
87
Took the family. Had a good time. B+. Still favor the Avengers
May 03rd 2013
88
I kind of feel like IM3 and The Avengers is an unfair comparison.
May 04th 2013
89
really enjoyed it, hopefully they end the IM series there
May 04th 2013
90
Solid effort
May 04th 2013
91
They need a new Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo immediately
May 04th 2013
92
Yeah.. I need that shit made yesterday.
May 04th 2013
96
well she did take his card
May 15th 2013
160
The film sucked. (SPOILERS AHEAD)
May 04th 2013
93
RE: The film sucked. (SPOILERS AHEAD)
May 04th 2013
94
As far as the suits go, that's not entirely true (spoiler-ish)
May 05th 2013
99
i was dozing off, maybe i need to see it wide awake because
May 05th 2013
100
Technically (SPOILER)
May 05th 2013
101
I also assumed...
May 05th 2013
102
Yup
May 05th 2013
104
wasn't for me? i remember when Cly betrayed Tony
May 06th 2013
122
but when they went back to pepper
May 06th 2013
120
RE: i was dozing off, maybe i need to see it wide awake because
May 05th 2013
103
      problems with that
May 06th 2013
121
           RE: problems with that
May 06th 2013
126
                negro it was THAT NIGHT
May 09th 2013
142
LMAO!!! nerds be mad as fuck about comic book movies
May 06th 2013
115
fairly horrible
May 04th 2013
95
Pretty much said it all
May 05th 2013
107
you have the greatest avatar of all time
May 06th 2013
119
      I can't stop watching it either.
May 06th 2013
134
           it's amazing
May 15th 2013
159
Co-sign 100%. I was bored out of my fucking mind.
May 05th 2013
108
RE: fairly horrible
May 06th 2013
125
      Seeing as how many who liked it openly disliked Iron Man 2...
May 06th 2013
129
      RE: Seeing as how many who liked it openly disliked Iron Man 2...
May 06th 2013
132
      Why can't people like things you don't like?
May 09th 2013
140
           What's funny is in GD he accused me of precisely what he's doing.
May 09th 2013
141
                RE: What's funny is in GD he accused me of precisely what he's doing.
May 09th 2013
143
i thought it was mediocre to bad.
May 05th 2013
97
That was good....and Sir Ben killed it.
May 05th 2013
98
Good flick. Not as good as 1 or Avengers, better than 2...
May 05th 2013
105
I had a great time
May 05th 2013
106
If this really was it for RDJ and Iron Man as a franchise
May 05th 2013
109
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang on steroids
May 05th 2013
110
Dads leave. It's no reason to be a pussy" disagrees with you.
May 05th 2013
111
      that was a shock value cheat laugh
May 05th 2013
112
           It was a cheat that fits his character and demeanor perfectly.
May 06th 2013
113
LOVED.IT.
May 06th 2013
114
overall liked it, however
May 06th 2013
118
uh
May 06th 2013
123
LOL
May 06th 2013
124
touche pussycat
May 06th 2013
127
he didn't really shoot him
May 06th 2013
130
      Yeah, I gathered the same.
May 06th 2013
131
           Not to mention they show that it's staged i nthe credits.
May 13th 2013
152
Hmmm..
May 13th 2013
147
More is Less (Spoilers)
May 07th 2013
135
spot on
May 07th 2013
136
It was entertaining, but still pretty average
May 08th 2013
137
was anyone else not CACKLING for most of this flick?
May 08th 2013
138
What happened to Cap neck tattoo?
May 09th 2013
139
I might've loved it if I was 10 yrs old.
May 10th 2013
144
Good flick...didn't feel like a Marvel or an Iron Man film tho.
May 11th 2013
145
enjoyed it--
May 12th 2013
146
even more predictable, less nuanced than I was expecting
May 13th 2013
148
I was disappointed.
May 13th 2013
149
I think the grounding of Mandarin... (Spoilers)
May 13th 2013
150
I get that, I truly do.
May 14th 2013
157
I actually think...
May 13th 2013
151
      that could work. he's just an actor in his first flick..
May 13th 2013
153
           But they already established the Five Rings in IM1
May 13th 2013
154
                they could still make a chinese villain and avoid....
May 14th 2013
155
                     China wouldn't have shown the film
May 14th 2013
156
James Badge Dale damn near stole this
May 15th 2013
158
Great movie only comic nerds hate it and yall hate everything
May 16th 2013
161
Third best in the series
Jun 01st 2013
162
RE: Alright, alright i am creeping up in here kinda late
Jul 07th 2013
163
agreed
Jul 07th 2013
164
Here is how I was after this movie ended:
Oct 28th 2013
165

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