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116734, Iron Man 3 (Black, 2013) (SPOILERS)
Posted by bwood, Tue Oct-23-12 07:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CzoSeClcw0

NOW THAT'S A FUCKING TRAILER!!!

I can't wait to see this. I think Shane Black is gonna kill it.
116735, Big ups to Shane, man
Posted by ZooTown74, Tue Oct-23-12 07:21 AM
So glad he's doing big budget work again

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116736, Word!!!
Posted by bwood, Tue Oct-23-12 07:31 AM
I thinks he one of the most underrated people working today. Also, I think the LW series would've had a lasting impression if WB let him do his thing on 2 (yes I know Riggs dies at the end of Black's version of 2, but I think it would've been bold).
116737, riggs was destined to die in the LW movies
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Sat Oct-27-12 08:27 AM
i always expected him too atleast
116738, Now that looks tight.
Posted by phenompyrus, Tue Oct-23-12 08:07 AM
Marvel keeps the wins coming in.

Now they just need to secure RDJ for The Avengers 2, and they'll have themselves another winning 'phase'.
116739, He said at comic con that
Posted by bwood, Tue Oct-23-12 08:16 AM
as long as they're good he'll keep coming back.
116740, Cool.
Posted by phenompyrus, Tue Oct-23-12 09:07 AM
116741, Great trailer
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Oct-23-12 08:25 AM
116742, mandarin got dem rangs!!!
Posted by IceburgSmurf, Tue Oct-23-12 08:29 AM
i wonder how they are gonna blend the magic elements of his character with this iterattion of the marvel world.
116743, seems odd...
Posted by Rich_G, Tue Oct-23-12 10:29 AM
plus they got him chambering a pistol, that seems anti-mandarin, so they may be light on the magic
116744, I wish it showed even less.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Oct-23-12 10:30 AM
I'm already there. I LOVE Shane Black and I love the character, so my ticket is bought. This trailer really goes for broke, which should really excite people, but as someone who likes to go in blind, it does seem to reveal a lot.

That having been said, obviously I'm there.

I am wondering how the next three Marvel films will play, as they are all going to be notably darker than their predecessors. Do people prefer their Marvel heros with bright colors and quips (though IM3 will surely have plenty of Black's quippy goodness in the mix), or will they dig the darker turn even more? Should be a very interesting next couple of years for Marvel leading up to Avengers 2.
116745, You think Thor 2 will be dark?
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Oct-23-12 11:35 AM
I just can't picture a dark Thor working very well. It's a flying space viking with a magic hammer, there's only so much you can gritty that up.

Not to say they can't try and use this character to explore some darker themes, but they won't be able to go all Nolan with it.
116746, ... dark is in the title.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Oct-23-12 11:45 AM
lol
116747, haha.
Posted by basslinewonder, Tue Oct-23-12 01:44 PM

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116748, LOL, true
Posted by Marauder21, Tue Oct-23-12 04:59 PM
But you know what I mean
116749, dying.
Posted by PlanetInfinite, Wed Oct-24-12 01:33 PM

i'm out.
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116750, Since when did "dark" start meaning "Christopher Nolan"?
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Oct-24-12 09:18 PM
I swear some people are incapable of thinking beyond anything that isn't right smack in front of their face.

Newsflash: Nolan doesn't own the patent on "dark", nor is his vision the only way to implement dark themes into a movie based on a comic book character.

Seriously. This is retarded. Dark doesn't mean The Dark Knight. Dark is dark and can be done a million ways that are relative to the material at hand.
116751, basically
Posted by Beamer6178, Wed Oct-24-12 11:46 AM
>I'm already there. I LOVE Shane Black and I love the
>character, so my ticket is bought. This trailer really goes
>for broke, which should really excite people, but as someone
>who likes to go in blind, it does seem to reveal a lot.
my biggest problem with the avengers is STILL them showing Hulk catching Iron-Man out of the sky in trailers.

I couldn't help but watch the Iron Man 3 trailers but I'm probably going to stop watching.
116752, Anyone notice this?: http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/10/23/mandarin-captain-america-avengers-tattoo-iron-man-3-trailer/
Posted by CaptNish, Tue Oct-23-12 10:59 AM
http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/10/23/mandarin-captain-america-avengers-tattoo-iron-man-3-trailer/
116753, That makes things interesting actually...
Posted by phenompyrus, Tue Oct-23-12 01:56 PM
I like it.
116754, i'm in...
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..and miles to go before i sleep...
116755, Also, I gotta say that I'm ecstatic that the triangle is not coming back.
Posted by bwood, Tue Oct-23-12 11:58 AM
I'm with Joss. "The triangle is ass."
116756, Guy Pearce playin a villain again?
Posted by jigga, Tue Oct-23-12 03:46 PM
116757, love all this Shane Black love
Posted by araQual, Wed Oct-24-12 03:34 AM
been a fan since The Last Boyscout.

V.
116758, dude was like a guy film screenwriter and I just now realized
Posted by DJ007, Wed Oct-24-12 05:27 PM
he cowrote The Monster Squad screenplay loved that film as a kid
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116759, WOLFMANS GOT NARDS
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Sat Oct-27-12 08:29 AM
116760, Entertainment Weekly had a good analysis of the trailer
Posted by nipsey, Wed Oct-24-12 04:37 PM
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/24/iron-man-3-trailer-tattoo/
116761, funny analysis
Posted by basslinewonder, Fri Oct-26-12 08:15 AM
they picked up on things that I was curious about when watching that trailer.. I know the movie will be loosely based on extremis.. so the other parts have me puzzled
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116762, Iron Patriot armor @ 0:56?
Posted by PantherX20, Wed Oct-24-12 05:17 PM
Great Trailer, Can't wait to see this when it hits this summer, i loved the last 2 Iron man movies.
116763, It's Iron Patriot armor, but
Posted by basslinewonder, Fri Nov-02-12 06:29 PM
apparently that's still supposed to be James Rhodes as war machine
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116764, Who ISN'T in for this? I mean really...
Posted by spenzalii, Wed Oct-24-12 05:51 PM
This shit looks like the business. Marvel looks to be on a roll. DC should be in the corner sobbing right now
116765, Ghostface Killah reviews the Iron Man 3 trailer
Posted by bwood, Wed Oct-24-12 06:05 PM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1696199/ghostface-killah-iron-man-3-trailer-review.jhtml


Ghostface Killah aka Ironman aka Tony Starks aka Pretty Toney shares his thoughts.
116766, I clicked that thinking it was Big Ghost NaMean
Posted by CaptNish, Thu Oct-25-12 08:11 AM
.
116767, RE: Iron Man 3 (Black, 2013)
Posted by xangeluvr, Wed Oct-24-12 07:41 PM
Ok, yes it's Ben kingsley but is anyone bothered that Mandarin isn't an Asian actor?
116768, well, we don't know *this* Mandarin's back story
Posted by YaBoy...Holla@ME, Wed Oct-24-12 09:18 PM
The Ten Rings terrorist group in the first one was comprised of people of all different backgrounds. At least they spoke all different kinds of languages
116769, nope.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Oct-25-12 01:11 AM
116770, Not upset about it
Posted by icecold21, Thu Oct-25-12 10:26 AM
116771, You sound like those pissed off Yakubians
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Oct-25-12 11:17 AM
You know, the ones who had a fit when Heimdall wound up being played by a black guy. It's really nothing to be upset about in the least and you look like a jackass for it.
116772, how do i sound pissed off?
Posted by xangeluvr, Sat Oct-27-12 11:06 PM
it was a question. i asked because i'm not familiar with the comic book mandarin and from any pictures i've seen he was always obviously asian.

>You know, the ones who had a fit when Heimdall wound up being
>played by a black guy. It's really nothing to be upset about
>in the least and you look like a jackass for it.
116773, he IS asian.
Posted by ninjitsu, Sat Oct-27-12 08:57 AM
south asian.
116774, No
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Oct-27-12 01:37 PM
116775, no... and i wish they'd cast zoe saldana in the role
Posted by Basaglia, Sun Oct-28-12 08:05 AM
116776, I'm glad they reimagined the character instead of going with that
Posted by Deluge, Sun Oct-28-12 12:13 PM
racist ass stereotype that he is originally.
116777, agreed
Posted by basslinewonder, Fri Nov-02-12 07:14 PM

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116778, Actually, I am.
Posted by spades, Tue Jan-22-13 11:25 AM
There are SO few roles for actors of color, Asian men prolly have it the worst. This could have been a GREAT opportunity to spotlight someone.

*shrug*

But blockbusters are as blockbuster do.
116779, he's actually mixed English/Chinese in the comics
Posted by jrocc, Mon May-06-13 08:03 AM
so, no, not really
116780, A really nice article
Posted by bwood, Mon Jan-21-13 09:23 AM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1700464/iron-man-3-preview.jhtml
116781, whats a "teacherer"????
Posted by Fructose Soda, Wed Jan-30-13 12:08 AM
The guy is a teacherer.
116782, Hopefully, seeing this tomorrow morning...
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-05-13 06:10 PM
...if everything goes according to plan.
116783, I'd love to hear what you thought afterwards
Posted by JiggysMyDayJob, Sat Apr-06-13 10:55 AM
116784, Got a call from Marvel today apologizing profusely, that I got
Posted by bwood, Sat Apr-20-13 02:29 PM
fucked on my screening 2 weeks ago. They said I'll be seeing it most definitely on Wednesday. I told them if they really wanted to make it up to me they should send Hayley Atwell and Scarlett Johansson to me to strip down naked with they each take turn sucking shaft and balls at the same time. They laughed. I was serious.
116785, You're the only OKP I'd actually want to be
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Apr-22-13 11:11 PM
I'm always so envious of these casual ass "yeah I was talking to so-and-so at Warner Brothers about this new Supes flick, oh and I saw this private screening" posts of yours lol

You talk about that shit like you're about to go shopping
116786, You don't wanna be me
Posted by bwood, Wed Apr-24-13 06:22 AM
It's nothing nigga
116787, lol..not literally man. I say it in jest
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Apr-24-13 07:50 AM
I just want to see these dope ass movies early is all and I always feel like a super impressed kid reading these early screening posts.

Not "seriously", mind you, its just a vivid illustration of a small sentiment.
116788, It opened here today, think I might go tomorrow.
Posted by Deluge, Wed Apr-24-13 08:41 PM
116789, That Shane Black magic works everytime. (Mild Spoilers)
Posted by bwood, Thu Apr-25-13 02:00 AM
Shane Black did the unexpected with a tough character like The Mandarin and turning the character on its head that I highly doubt comic fans are going to openly embrace this version seen in Iron Man Three (as it is called in the end credits). But the script is so well done with that Shane Black magic all over it, he brought a fresh prospective to what I think is the closing in chapter of Phase One of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, instead of the opening chapter of Phase Two. To me there is a great sense of closure in this chapter that brings everything full circle, while making us wonder what does the future hold for Tony Stark? Questions which will not be answered until The Avengers 2.


Which brings me to my next point, which is I loved seeing the relationships grow between Happy Hogan (played by Jon Faveru), Pepper, and Rhodey. Especially the last two. Pepper is busy running Stark Enterprises and Rhodey is busy fighting terrorism on behalf of the government as the Iron Patriot as War Machine was too aggressive and after The Avengers, the government needed a red, white, and blue hero. Tony is told by Rhodey not to get involved in Mandarian business because it’s not “superhero stuff” that government needs him for. But once Happy gets in his crosshairs,”it’s good ole’ fashioned revenge”. What I love is we see Tony checking out scenes of the crime, trying to piece things together like he is Batman, except with more urgency and less technology.

Shane Black brings renewed energy with his direction and screenplay. As with almost all of Black’s stories, Iron Man Three takes place during Christmas. And just like Lethal Weapon and The Last Boy Scout, when Rhodey and Tony are together its pure magic. This is what I missed seeing from the previous two Iron Man films, is seeing the genuine friendship between these two characters. They were both made assholes in 2, it was hard to understand why they were friends in the first place but here you see comrades being the best of buds. Also, building on the foundation laid in 2 and The Avengers, we see Pepper and Tony’s relationship continue to grow ever the more complicated as Tony is too wrapped up in building armor and it is killing their relationship in which two people who love each other are being weighed down by a man’s growing obsession. Black also brings a sense of that we have gone full circle in this film, with a sense of closure to not only Iron Man, but to The Avengers as well as this seems to be the perfect epilogue in a saga that we have been invested in since 2008. And everything is paid off nicely in this film including Tony’s narration which we find out in the post-credits scene just who he’s talking to. And please do not the trailers fool you; there are plenty of funny, humorous moments in this film with Black’s trademark humor. Especially the plot twist with The Mandarian. My only problem is the plot twist with the Vice President, which you can see coming a mile away due to the actor playing him and the fact that it comes out of nowhere as an afterthought. I see why they did it cause of Extremis, but it felt crow barred in.

All in all this is very solid. The Avengers still has it beat, but this comes in as a strong second for Marvel Studios’ best so far. Don’t worry Joss, The Avengers still has more action than this. Also, I got to say Disney is really letting Marvel have free reign when it comes to violence. Everyone was shooting everyone and getting blown up in that gritty Shane Black way, that seriously pushed the PG-13 rating on this so parents beware. I really can’t wait to check this out again. Come November, Thor: The Dark World has a lot to live up to. And if it is RDJ’s last time in the suit it feels right for him to go out on this one.
116790, I'd love for Shane to take over from here.
Posted by Deluge, Thu Apr-25-13 07:25 PM
He did a great job, agree with everything you said.
116791, Honestly, I'd love for them to hold off for a while.
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-26-13 06:54 AM
Like wait to Phase Four to do another film and re-cast the role since they're going the James Bond route. I really feel like they don't need to do any more Iron Man movies after this since closure was given.
116792, It would actually be interesting if they'd do that.
Posted by Deluge, Fri Apr-26-13 10:59 AM
If they'd keep the storyline going through phase 2 and 3, and have Iron Man show up in certain parts, but hold off on actual movies throughout a whole phase.
116793, Exactly. I think RDJ would be down for a cameo every once in a while
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-26-13 12:01 PM
but a full blown movie is out the question except for A2.

Who do you think, they'll get to replace him?
116794, less technology?
Posted by jrocc, Mon May-06-13 08:16 AM
i think you meant less gadgets. Tony clearly has far superior technology. dude recreated a 3D rendering of the crime scene in his house and walked around in it looking for clues.
116795, That was once. Most of the film it was Tony using his wits.
Posted by bwood, Mon May-06-13 11:42 AM
116796, I think this was the best of the three.
Posted by Anfernee, Fri Apr-26-13 04:03 AM
Downey Jr kills it as usual, so nothing more really needs to be said.

I was little apprehensive about Sir Kingsley's distinct non-Chinese-ness, but when you see how awesome he played the Mandarin, it all makes sense.

The Extremis shit was okay, but it mostly just reminded me of T-1000.

Also saw it in 3D. Not much point though.

But overall, it's awesome and you should see it.
116797, Yea, don't get suckered into the Real D 3D or IMAX 3D
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-26-13 07:41 AM
The 3D, just like every other Marvel Studios film, sucks ass. The only thing I liked about the 3D was the cool glasses we got. I copped War Machine. They also had Mark 42, Iron Patriot, and Tony Stark sunglasses (them shits looked like ass).
116798, Fuck, I already got my ticket for the IMAX 3D
Posted by ZooTown74, Fri Apr-26-13 08:30 AM
But at least it's the FORREAL IMAX and not that fake AMC bullshit

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And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming
116799, Saw it IMAX 3D but it didn't add much to it.
Posted by Deluge, Fri Apr-26-13 11:01 AM
It didn't take away from the experience though, so you're good.
116800, Hopefully, you're doing the 12:01 show cause you get this
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-26-13 12:04 PM
http://www.imax.com/community/blog/iron-man-3-imax-1201-debut/

when you go
116801, Also, the post credits scene was ass.
Posted by Deluge, Fri Apr-26-13 11:01 AM
It was cool and all, but I was hoping for a Guardians tease.
116802, Na nigga. It was perfect.
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-26-13 11:59 AM
I'm glad they kept it self-contained to Phase One only.
116803, I agree
Posted by ZooTown74, Fri May-03-13 02:37 AM
It answered a nagging question in style

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116804, "it was ass" "it was cool"
Posted by cereffusion, Fri Apr-26-13 12:18 PM
116805, BTW here's where this movie ranks in 2013 so far
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-26-13 07:04 PM
1. The 17 minute opening shot of Gravity
2. The 17 minute opening shot of Gravity
3. The 17 minute opening shot of Gravity
4. Man of Steel
5. Iron Man 3
6. Spring Breakers
7. Gimme the Loot
8. Side Effects
9. Pain & Gain
10. Oz
116806, How much of Gravity did you see?
Posted by mrshow, Fri Apr-26-13 07:54 PM
116807, Obviously, the 17 minute opening shot
Posted by bwood, Fri Apr-26-13 07:58 PM
and that's it.
116808, I fucking hate you
Posted by mrshow, Sun Apr-28-13 07:05 PM
Not really but still...
116809, Anyone else re-watching the others?
Posted by go mack, Sun Apr-28-13 06:36 PM
finished Iron Man today and plan on watching IM2, not sure if will watch the rest, may not have time with work and the playoffs but may skip ahead and watch Avengers again right before.

Also dipped back into the archives and read thru the movie posts, was entertaining, especially the Iron Man 2 post where someone was willing to bet money an Avengers movie wouldn't happen
116810, So the Chinese version has 4 minutes of bullshit *link*
Posted by bwood, Thu May-02-13 02:49 PM
http://collider.com/iron-man-3-chinese-only-scenes/
116811, great adventure...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu May-02-13 03:53 PM
..as in the amusement park franchise

that pretty much sums up this roller coaster ride. the latest in the iron man franchise has everything from cotton candy carnaval rides to top thrill coaster free-falls. brilliant visuals, sharp details, and plenty of witty banter to keep even the harshest critic grinning.

solid chemistry among the cast made for a fluid adventure with plenty of comic relief thrown about. *i actually enjoyed the retooled origin of the mandarin (kingsly nailed it). aside from the inept relationship between stark and his newfound youth confidant, the film surfs the clouds as effortlessly as its iron-clad hero.

no real surprises here, but plenty of action to kick-start blockbuster season.

B+


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...
116812, Does this being a hit get us any closer to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang 2?
Posted by mrshow, Thu May-02-13 10:06 PM
Serious question.
116813, We gotta throw Val Kilmer on a treadmill.
Posted by PlanetInfinite, Fri May-03-13 09:39 AM

i'm out.
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116814, Just got back, and...
Posted by Midtown Records, Thu May-02-13 11:54 PM
it took seeing Gwenyth Paltrow in the Iron Man armor before I was sold.
116815, Primarily, it works as hilarious entertainment. (No spoilers)
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri May-03-13 01:54 AM
It shifts tone back to comedy so quickly at times that the tension never really remains consistent, but the action is so tight, the one-liners so sharp, and the twists are so nifty that it doesn't really matter.

Black rules for this character. Pearce in particular RULED. And I absolutely loved what they did with the character of The Mandarin.

My full review here: http://www.examiner.com/review/iron-man-3-putting-the-comic-comic-book-cinema
116816, Very entertaining. It's a bit of Shane Black's Greatest Hits.
Posted by ZooTown74, Fri May-03-13 02:34 AM
You see some of his favorite themes and settings: Christmas, L.A., Hollywood, and more specifically, ARTIFICE in relation to Hollywood (vanity, etc), all are prevalent and have been in previously-seen Shane Black work...

I was unaware that he did some punch-up work on the previous Iron Man movies, but now it makes sense

Lots of very funny, almost subversive shit in this movie. Downey is great, of course, as is Don Cheadle (when we saw him)...

Sir Ben knocked it out the park, B. And the youngster was very funny and not annoying, which I thought was crucial for that entire Tennessee sequence...

I liked Guy Pearce, and I'm always glad to see him pick up a check but would have liked to have gotten a more concrete explanation for his steez

Still not a big fan of Gwyneth but what can you do? And I needed to see more Rebecca Hall

Also, Jon Favreau, the Table for Five show has long been over, son, stop eating

A few of the pieces don't fit, and I can definitely see some people begging Marvel to keep the irony out of their comic book movies (and I'm sure comic heads will be HEATED about one huge detail), but the thing about it is, this trilogy has from the start always been about subversion and toying with comic book/movie convention. Hell, the very first movie ends with Tony Stark happily revealing his secret superhero identity to the public. So anyone hoping for or expecting convention at this point is barking up the wrong tree.

Nicely done, Shane.

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116817, LOVED IT! The most impressive thing to me was....
Posted by KnowOne, Fri May-03-13 06:41 AM
how many big twist/surprised they still had up their sleeve considering how much the commercials & trailers had shown.
116818, ***SPOILERS***
Posted by beatnik, Fri May-03-13 06:49 AM
I liked the whole movie, didn't have a problem with it at all and liked the way they flipped one of the biggest changes.

I read an article a long time ago that addressed how they would approach the mandarin with his powers being mystical and based on his rings ( yall can do aliens but no fin fang foom? bitches ) but having Ben just be some guy playing a part was awesome. Trevor reminded me of the Dr. he played in the Wackness a little bit.

Pepper rocking the armor and getting those powers at the end was awesome.

A lot of articles addressed the army of iron men we were going to see and i figured out from the jump when he was doing the puppet work that they were going to come out as an army, but having the different types of armor like i used to see in the comics and trading cards was great.

I gotta google some ish cuz i really missed the hints they dropped towards other characters.

Guy's character was great too, but dude sure did jump from being left waiting on a roof, god damn, hope nobdy ever flip on me like that.

great movie and unless you got a huge beef with the mandarin you should like this one.
116819, Heard this was converted to 3D, is the 3D worth it?
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116820, Fuck no. See it in 2D.
Posted by bwood, Fri May-03-13 03:21 PM
Save that extra $5 for something useful.
116821, No not at all
Posted by calij81, Fri May-03-13 03:43 PM
116822, Neither hurts nor helps.
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri May-03-13 04:54 PM
116823, Me and my lady had a great time watching it last night
Posted by calij81, Fri May-03-13 03:52 PM
I loved all the twist and turns and just really enjoyed the movie. The Gwyneth in the IM suit was awesome. The RDJ and kid scenes weren't that bad at all. The way they handled Mandarin was really well done, Kingsley killed it. Those Manadarin "lessons" and public announcement were ice cold.

My one nitpick, I wish we could have seen some War Machine fight/action scenes in the end against some of those extremis soldiers. I still wish we could get a War Machine feature film with Iron Man in a supporting role.

I hope this isn't RDJ and the whole crews last Iron Man film but if it is they wrapped it up nicely.

I give this movie an A-

On a side note, is it a new thing on the west coast for movies opening to start at 9pm rather than midnight? We were going to see it at midnight but then we noticed they had showings at 9, 10, and 11. I thought that was a bit odd.
116824, There were a few theaters on the east coast that did the 9:00 thing
Posted by spenzalii, Fri May-03-13 09:40 PM
There were a few in the DMV that had 9:00 shoes. Made me scratch my head too
116825, Took the family. Had a good time. B+. Still favor the Avengers
Posted by Castro, Fri May-03-13 10:20 PM
116826, I kind of feel like IM3 and The Avengers is an unfair comparison.
Posted by Cold Truth, Sat May-04-13 02:02 AM
they tell such dramatically different stories it's almost an unfair comparison. IM3 is arguably the deeper story while TA amps up the action to unreal levels. TA presents us with a global threat that effects these characters in a personal way, while IM3 hits us with a deeply personal threat that has global implications.

Something about Tony creating these demons that almost destroyed everything he built made the stakes feel so much higher, even in the face of global extinction/enslavement/etc in TA.

It's certainly not the mark-out festival we got in The Avengers (and really, is anything in movies? I can't think of a bigger wet summers dream than Thor/Hulk/Cap/Iron Man in the same damn movie.

They are excellent companion pieces and IM3 wraps things up beautifully, like that mildly sweet desert after a savory feast. Sure, it could have been sweeter (i.e, more action in this case), but that wouldn't really work after that feast. It needs something to match the bold flavors of the main course and bookend the appetizers to finish the meal proper. In my humble opinion, IM3 did that perfectly.
116827, really enjoyed it, hopefully they end the IM series there
Posted by pretentious username, Sat May-04-13 07:56 AM
and just bring him back for avengers stuff. they won't, cause this will make boatloads of money, but it wrapped things up nicely.
116828, Solid effort
Posted by Beamer6178, Sat May-04-13 09:36 AM
I'm glad I kept myself away from trailers, most everything was totally new to me.

I really would prefer them to kill Iron Man in an Avengers flick rather than bring another actor to do Iron Man movies (maybe unless they make him a kid) because RDJ BRANDED this role. He IS Iron Man.

There was a lot going on early on but it all came together pretty well. My one complaint is that they didn't explain how Hansen and Killian got connected.

I like how they had a scene with the dude who saved him in the cave in Iron-Man.

Also enjoyed that it showed him suffering PTSD from "New York" and that what happened just couldn't be shaken off like a cold.


My main takeaway on the action front is that Tony been working in the shop on them toys. And he had A LOT OF TOYS. We got a preview of it in Avengers but he took it to that next level.

And in terms of the post credits scene, really nice how they weaved it in to the entire pic. Just furthers my campaign for the Iron-Man/Hulk buddy flick that needs to be made. That shit would KILL.
116829, They need a new Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo immediately
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116830, Yeah.. I need that shit made yesterday.
Posted by Cold Truth, Sat May-04-13 08:13 PM
>And in terms of the post credits scene, really nice how they
>weaved it in to the entire pic. Just furthers my campaign for
>the Iron-Man/Hulk buddy flick that needs to be made. That
>shit would KILL.
116831, well she did take his card
Posted by gumz, Wed May-15-13 09:38 PM
116832, The film sucked. (SPOILERS AHEAD)
Posted by gluvnast, Sat May-04-13 11:58 AM
For Marvel Studios who prides themselves to remain true to the comic book as much as possible, this film really drops the ball 1st and foremost. The biggest epic fail is having what many considered Iron Man's biggest foe in the comic book and REDUCE him to be an absolute FRAUD, weak joking pawn.

Never mind in the 1st Iron Man film they were trying to build up to the Mandarin with the TEN RINGS terrorist organization being one of the central point of the film. Never mind the power of the rings or even the mention of the rings doesn't exist in Iron Man 3 because your so-called "greatest villain" isn't real in the 1st place.

And don't get me wrong, I am not one of those comic book fan-boys that expect the film and the comics should translate equally 100%. I mean, i didn't mind they misuse of Iron Patriot, or how huge of a role Aldrich Killian will have in the film, or even for him being the main villain controlling the Mandarin. But taking such an important character in the Iron Man universe and reduce him to that level is JUST THE SAME as taking BANE from the horrid "Batman and Robin" Joel Schumacher film and had him reduced to what he was in that particular film. It is unacceptable, especially with the rep that Marvel Studio has in remaining truthful with the character.

My next gripe to the reason why this film sucked it the fuckin' screenplay. Shane Black shouldn't of EVER had his hand in writing this piece of crap. The film didn't have no real plot or rhyme of reason at all to it! And in the end, as shown in the after credits, none of it mattered, it was only Stark telling Banner one of his crazy adventures. The key problem is what was Aldrich Killian's true motivations? It keeps changing up. If it was ONLY because he wanted to cover-up the explosions by creating a fake terrorist as responsible, it's still doesn't make a lot of sense in the bigger picture. You want to kill Tony Stark by shooting missiles to his place, but need Tony Stark to fix the extremist virus. You want the VP to become president in order to control your fake terrorist organization, but why the cover up in the 1st place? How would any of those human explosions can lead to you when there's never any evidence left behind? The whole villainous plot is a total mess to me and very unstable, I was never comfortable with the true motivations of the Villain. Nor could understand who and how he made his money if his lifetime goal was to sell his A.I.M. project.

Then the plot holes. And I mean REAL plot holes. For starters, how in the HELL Killian's goons was able to find him in the middle of NO FUCKIN' WHERE, TENNESSEE while the entire nation presumed for him to be DEAD? Or how in the hell his suit loses power when the POWER SOURCE is HIMSELF? Also, WHERE IN THE HELL IS S.H.I.E.L.D. in this? I mean, I can understand why the other avengers aren't in this one, presuming all of these adventures in phase 2 of the Marvel cycle are going on simultaneously, but this is the 1ST MARVEL Studio film in which S.H.I.E.L.D. is not shown, mentioned or even implied. Also, what was the POINT of the middle part of the film anyway? What was the point of the annoying little kid? It was clearly a lame filler portion of the movie that serves the film no purpose at all.

Finally, there are the things that maybe deemed as nit-picky, but it was too much annoying for me to enjoy. For starters, the so-called running gag of his armor falling apart. HIS INDESTRUCTIBLE ARMOR KEEP FALLING APART. Never mind the comics, but in his previous films, he was hit with missiles and a tank and ect, flew up a WORMHOLE with a NUKE on his back and FREE FELL FROM SPACE... granted the hulk caught him but still. i get that most of those suits were prototypes, but they HAD to been made out of SOMETHING, and it seemed like those damn suits were made out of TIN FOIL. Then Gwyneth Paltrow's role annoyed me to no end, only for HER to be the one to kill the main villain?? And the way she did it was lame as hell. I am sorry, many complained about Catwoman in TDKR coming in and killing BANE, but at LEAST we got to see Batman redeem himself in beating Bane in a fair one prior to that. But how this was handled really annoyed me to no end, it was bad enough to know there was no real mandarin to begin with.

In conclusion, the film sucked to me. The humor felt forced, the funniest parts end up being the scenes where it wasn't suppose to be funny. The film dragged in its pacing, albeit it was more action packed then parts I & II. Iron man was not in full IRON MAN mode not ONCE in this film. Iron Patriot was underused severely. It is sad that the best SCENE in the entire film was the saving those people from the sky scene. I mean, that was it.

I'm sorry, this is ONLY my opinion. Most of you may have loved it, but this movie was bad in my eyes.
116833, RE: The film sucked. (SPOILERS AHEAD)
Posted by Rolo_Tomasi, Sat May-04-13 06:18 PM
co-sign, i saw it a couple of weeks ago when it got released in the UK.

Lazy film-making, total nonsense throughout. RDJ came across as a douche bag but with Shane Black feeding him douche dialogue what can you expect.

Why did they have that kid in it? Totally ruined it for me.

Ben Kingsley as Trevor, lol.

Guy Pearce, they did a good job as keeping him as the bad guy underwraps.

The VP who was conducting a coup could have been a much bigger story line.

Too much trying to be fitted into this movie, just lazy film making which was totally overbaked.

I hope RDJ says he has made enough money from Iron Man and does no more. Get him killed off at the end of the next Avengers film. Or get Hulk to kill him.
116834, As far as the suits go, that's not entirely true (spoiler-ish)
Posted by spenzalii, Sun May-05-13 01:12 AM
Considering all of the suits that were at the end, they all had to have a separate power source to work and be controlled by Jarvis. All of them could not be powered by Stark. Since the Mk. 42 could be remotely controlled, there's definitely no way that would have been powered by him. I can see where the confusion lies, especially considering the first 2 movies, but I can't take that much issue with that plot point. Tech evolves. Or something...
116835, i was dozing off, maybe i need to see it wide awake because
Posted by lazyboi, Sun May-05-13 10:10 AM
i was like....wh doesn't he just call rhodey?

rhodey hardly got action in his suit. stark harly had action in his suit.

how did they write the news paper that stark was dead....the exact same night?


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
116836, Technically (SPOILER)
Posted by ZooTown74, Sun May-05-13 11:36 AM
Since he got bombed out in California, one COULD argue that by the time he reached Tennessee - which is in a different time zone - that the news could have gotten back East by then... also, let's not assume that he was in Tennessee at, like, 10 pm... that shit was much later that night...


>how did they write the news paper that stark was dead....the
>exact same night?

______________________________________________________________________________________
And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming
116837, I also assumed...
Posted by Frank Longo, Sun May-05-13 12:24 PM
... that the time it took him to drag his suit from the crash site to the nearest location couldn't have been insignificant.

Not to mention if that logic hang-up took you out of the movie, there were so many worse logic flaws in the first two Iron Man films that you probably should have known this third film wouldn't be for you, lol. But maybe that's just me.
116838, Yup
Posted by ZooTown74, Sun May-05-13 01:30 PM
>Not to mention if that logic hang-up took you out of the
>movie, there were so many worse logic flaws in the first two
>Iron Man films that you probably should have known this third
>film wouldn't be for you, lol. But maybe that's just me.

_____________________________________________________________________________________
And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming
116839, wasn't for me? i remember when Cly betrayed Tony
Posted by lazyboi, Mon May-06-13 09:03 AM
talking about wasn't for me lol

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
116840, but when they went back to pepper
Posted by lazyboi, Mon May-06-13 09:00 AM
pepper was driving asking the lady "why were you there TONIGHT?" that was AFTER tony talked to the boy

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
116841, RE: i was dozing off, maybe i need to see it wide awake because
Posted by bwood, Sun May-05-13 01:20 PM
>i was like....wh doesn't he just call rhodey?

The suit ran out of power. And he did call him eventually.
>
>rhodey hardly got action in his suit. stark harly had action
>in his suit.

That's the fucking point. It's to show that it's the men in the armor that extraordinary, not the other way around.

>how did they write the news paper that stark was dead....the
>exact same night?

Um, news reports go up in less than 10 minutes these days and spread like wildfire through smartphones, texts, and internet.
116842, problems with that
Posted by lazyboi, Mon May-06-13 09:02 AM
>>i was like....wh doesn't he just call rhodey?
>
>The suit ran out of power. And he did call him eventually.

that suit is powered by his chest


>>
>>rhodey hardly got action in his suit. stark harly had action
>>in his suit.
>
>That's the fucking point. It's to show that it's the men in
>the armor that extraordinary, not the other way around.

he movie is called IRON man lol


>
>>how did they write the news paper that stark was dead....the
>>exact same night?
>
>Um, news reports go up in less than 10 minutes these days and
>spread like wildfire through smartphones, texts, and
>internet.

it was an actual PAPER tho.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
116843, RE: problems with that
Posted by bwood, Mon May-06-13 11:41 AM
>>>i was like....wh doesn't he just call rhodey?
>>
>>The suit ran out of power. And he did call him eventually.
>
>that suit is powered by his chest

Not the Mark 42 armor. They go over that in the film.

>
>>>
>>>rhodey hardly got action in his suit. stark harly had
>action
>>>in his suit.
>>
>>That's the fucking point. It's to show that it's the men in
>>the armor that extraordinary, not the other way around.
>
>he movie is called IRON man lol

Are you stupid?

>>
>>>how did they write the news paper that stark was
>dead....the
>>>exact same night?
>>
>>Um, news reports go up in less than 10 minutes these days
>and
>>spread like wildfire through smartphones, texts, and
>>internet.
>
>it was an actual PAPER tho.

*Smacks forhead* Holy shit...
Mass media (including print) can be produced today at very fast speeds.
116844, negro it was THAT NIGHT
Posted by lazyboi, Thu May-09-13 03:58 PM
what newspapers u know get printed and delivered AT NIGHT? Did u not see them flash back to pepper and she said "why were u there TONIGHT?"

as far as the suit goes. again the movie is called IRON MAN. you know one good reason the 1st captain america movie sucked in the 90's. CAUSE HE WAS IN COSTUME ABOUT 15 MINUTES!

don't nobody wanna see no iron man movie when the mug ain't even wearing the suit, it's always raggedy, and falls the fuck apart.


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,
116845, LMAO!!! nerds be mad as fuck about comic book movies
Posted by Basaglia, Mon May-06-13 07:44 AM
116846, fairly horrible
Posted by ternary_star, Sat May-04-13 06:28 PM
this movie's a god damn bore.

real talk, what the fuck has happened to editing in hollywood? when did we reach this unspoken accord that all movies must be 2.5+ hours long?

(SPOILERS)

the entire botanist subplot is completely useless (and boring). just start the movie on the scene of the first guy exploding, cut to a broadcast takeover by the Mandarin and we're off.

i actually liked the acting of the little kid, but that subplot was unnecessary (and wholly unbelievable) too.

the core idea of the fake Mandarin and the bio-engineering gone wrong isn't bad, but all the extra fat around it just drags down the entire thing.

there's what...probably 15 total minutes of actual Iron Man in this thing? the rest is horrible, cliched dialogue, Paltrow and Cheadle sleepwalking through their performances, and RDJ on snark auto-pilot.

how many times did he get saved at the last minute by the remote-assembled armor? how many times did armor break into a hundred pieces? how many attempts at humor fell flat (the only line that got a chuckle was the henchman saying he really didn't like working there).

complete disappointment for me. and i'm baffled by the universal praise.
116847, Pretty much said it all
Posted by jest, Sun May-05-13 06:28 PM
It wasn't bad, so much as it was boring.

The action scenes were repetitive as hell, and nothing made any sense (even for a comic book film).

I saw it in 3d, and it was unnecessary.
116848, you have the greatest avatar of all time
Posted by beatnik, Mon May-06-13 08:58 AM
116849, I can't stop watching it either.
Posted by jest, Mon May-06-13 07:34 PM
116850, it's amazing
Posted by gumz, Wed May-15-13 09:36 PM
116851, Co-sign 100%. I was bored out of my fucking mind.
Posted by The Analyst, Sun May-05-13 08:57 PM
There is no reason for me to add anything. You hit every point I was going to make.
116852, RE: fairly horrible
Posted by rdhull, Mon May-06-13 11:33 AM
>this thing? the rest is horrible, cliched dialogue, Paltrow
>a>complete disappointment for me. and i'm baffled by the
>universal praise.


The praise is all bullshit. They want to like it so bad and are so invested in it, the cognitive dissonance is making them praise it.
116853, Seeing as how many who liked it openly disliked Iron Man 2...
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon May-06-13 12:04 PM
... the "They need to like it!" argument holds no water.

It may just be.... and hold on to your hat here... people earnestly enjoyed this film.

Just as you earnestly didn't. Which, again, is totally fine.
116854, RE: Seeing as how many who liked it openly disliked Iron Man 2...
Posted by rdhull, Mon May-06-13 02:39 PM
>... the "They need to like it!" argument holds no water.
>
>It may just be.... and hold on to your hat here... people
>earnestly enjoyed this film.
>
>Just as you earnestly didn't. Which, again, is totally fine.


here you go again lol
116855, Why can't people like things you don't like?
Posted by PlanetInfinite, Thu May-09-13 10:23 AM
Here you go making logic leaps when people could just like the movie that you didn't.

i'm out.
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116856, What's funny is in GD he accused me of precisely what he's doing.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu May-09-13 11:23 AM
He ranted about how I always refuse to accept anyone else's opinion (an odd accusation to throw at me, of all people)... yet here he is in here, lol.
116857, RE: What's funny is in GD he accused me of precisely what he's doing.
Posted by rdhull, Thu May-09-13 07:43 PM
>He ranted about how I always refuse to accept anyone else's
>opinion (an odd accusation to throw at me, of all people)...
>yet here he is in here, lol.


^^bruised as a mug
116858, i thought it was mediocre to bad.
Posted by woe.is.me., Sun May-05-13 12:01 AM
the story was really really thin.
116859, That was good....and Sir Ben killed it.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun May-05-13 12:21 AM
116860, Good flick. Not as good as 1 or Avengers, better than 2...
Posted by phenompyrus, Sun May-05-13 05:28 PM
I didn't mind the twist, but a couple other things bothered me:

Pepper Potts, even with Extremis, flipping around and defeating an Iron Man armor. FAIL. I laughed out loud actually.

It bothers me that SHIELD and the Avengers did not even have a throw away line to explain where they were for this. I mean, Stark disappears and they don't show them helping? Not even a mention, for a terrorist organization threatening the US president. I know the comic books do this all the time, but this is based in reality, and it irked me.
116861, I had a great time
Posted by go mack, Sun May-05-13 05:44 PM
I don't think its better then the first but way better than 2.

can nitpick things but overall it was a lot of fun
116862, If this really was it for RDJ and Iron Man as a franchise
Posted by Marauder21, Sun May-05-13 09:37 PM
This was a good way to end it. I dug it, the movie felt tighter than most Marvel films, the script was funny, and I didn't at all mind the twist.

Thumbs up.
116863, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang on steroids
Posted by rdhull, Sun May-05-13 10:24 PM
they even had Pearce lookin like Val Kilmer

what a bloated mess if a film

they tried to add some emotion to it but the danger of Peps and Happy etc..wasnt connecting

the only thing that was close to emoting any sort of danger etc was the Mandarins televised warnings..and that all ended up being reduced to a fuckin joke and ridiculous as all hell

cant believe they green lit this shit

best line was the kid saying "I'm cold"
116864, Dads leave. It's no reason to be a pussy" disagrees with you.
Posted by Cold Truth, Sun May-05-13 10:50 PM
>best line was the kid saying "I'm cold"
>
116865, that was a shock value cheat laugh
Posted by rdhull, Sun May-05-13 10:59 PM
>>best line was the kid saying "I'm cold"
>>
>
116866, It was a cheat that fits his character and demeanor perfectly.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon May-06-13 12:22 AM
I thought the dialogue with the child and the development of that relationship was perhaps the high point of the film.
116867, LOVED.IT.
Posted by araQual, Mon May-06-13 12:43 AM
V.
116868, overall liked it, however
Posted by jrocc, Mon May-06-13 08:51 AM
i just can't let the Mandarin thing go. i was totally ok with him playing possum. i thought he was trying to throw them off the scent a little bit making it seem like he wasn't running things. i was even thinking that the after credits scene was going to be Mandarin revealing his true self. but to have the Mandarin being nothing was just terrible. if Trevor was so high and strung out, how'd he hold it together long enough to be so terrifying in the videos? what about the dude he shot? why was everyone calling him "master"? did his own people not know that he was a fake? what's the point of that?

Killian being the Mandarin made absolutely no sense. neither did his idea of controlling the war on terror by assuming control of Iron Patriot. using the Mandarin idea just to cover up people accidentally blowing themselves up is stupid.

Pepper saving the day at the end and then being all "omg i can't believe i just did that" was cheesy.

all in all though, i really did like the rest of it. so much so that it didn't completely ruin the rest of the film for me. i was just totally disappointed in the Mandarin (or lack thereof).
116869, uh
Posted by Rjcc, Mon May-06-13 10:35 AM
>if Trevor was so high and strung out, how'd he hold it together long enough to be so terrifying in the videos?


uh.....have you ever seen any movie ever?

particularly, many movies featuring the star of THIS PARTICULAR FILM?


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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
116870, LOL
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon May-06-13 11:17 AM
116871, touche pussycat
Posted by jrocc, Mon May-06-13 11:42 AM
116872, he didn't really shoot him
Posted by cereffusion, Mon May-06-13 12:32 PM
seems pretty easy.

116873, Yeah, I gathered the same.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon May-06-13 12:40 PM
Kingsley certainly implies the shooting was staged.
116874, Not to mention they show that it's staged i nthe credits.
Posted by CaptNish, Mon May-13-13 04:46 PM
,.
116875, PTP favorite Entertainment Weekly breaks down The Twist (long swipe)
Posted by ZooTown74, Mon May-06-13 04:21 PM
We know, you hated it and the movie sucked ass nuts and they cheated and it makes no sense and ew is just a bunch of tools who write meaningless bullshit.

Stop reading this, then.

ew.com:

>'Iron Man 3' does WHAT to The Mandarin? -- SPOILER ANALYSIS

by Anthony Breznican

SPOILER ALERT! Here’s fair warning: Don’t read this unless you’ve already seen Iron Man 3.

Winston Churchill famously described Russia as “a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.” Swaddle those things one more time in a green, gold-fringed robe and you can also apply that phrase to Ben Kingsley’s villain The Mandarin in Iron Man 3.

Except … when the core of the character finally comes to light, we get a revelation that few could have expected from such an iconic comic-book badass.

EW spoke with the filmmakers and can now peel back the four layers of this super-villain twist to show how — and why — it all happened this way …

Layer 1. Mandarin backstory: Why he was cut from the first Iron Man
Layer 2. Spoiler Room: How Iron Man 3 warps the classic villain
Layer 3. Why Marvel said yes …
Layer 4. They deceived us all — by never lying

“If you were forced to say, ‘who is Iron Man’s greatest foe,’ you’d probably have to say The Mandarin,” says producer and Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige. “It’s not because he’s been in a ton of quintessentially classic stories — because he hasn’t been, really. He’s just been around a lot. He just goes back a long, long time.”

The Mandarin made his first appearance in Tales of Suspense #50 in 1964. In the comic book mythology, he was was a Chinese exile who ends up exploring a remote, forbidden valley where he finds the ruins of a crashed alien spaceship. Inside the craft, he discovers ten power rings, each with a different ability, which allow him to unleash havoc on the world.

When Feige and Co. were putting together the first Iron Man movie, it seemed like a natural decision: The villain had to be The Mandarin. They even announced he would be the heavy when they first came to Comic-Con in 2006.

“He was in every Iron Man 1 script until about 10 weeks before we started filming,” says Feige. “He was a contemporary of Tony Stark. He was younger. He was involved in business deals with (Stark.)” This Mandarin was trying to secure Stark’s vast weapons manufacturing resources, and Jeff Bridges’ character — Obadiah Stane, a mentor of Stark’s, would have been a kind of sidekick villain. “We’d have revealed that Obadiah was the mole on the inside,” Feige says. “But it did’t work. It didn’t work.”

So they took it out. And Obadiah Stane was promoted to Public Enemy No. 1, sporting a primitive form of the armor for a final battle as the Iron Monger. “So Mandarin has always been this sort of thing where, ‘Boy, we’d love to do the Mandarin — but thank God we took The Mandarin out of Iron Man 1.”

The Mandarin didn’t make the cut for Iron Man 2 either, with Mickey Rourke’s Whiplash serving as the main heavy instead. Tom Hiddleston’s celestial troublemaker Loki was the prime antagonist in The Avengers. But when it came time to produce Iron Man 3 — what could be the last of the Tony Stark stand-alone films (at least for several years) — they finally decided to pull the trigger on Iron Man’s “greatest” foe.

But there was still a problem.

“Marvel was of a mind … they wanted to know how to do the Mandarin,” Iron Man 3 director and co-writer Shane Black tells EW.

“Part of it was that we would rather have the Mandarin be of indeterminate ethnicity than the Fu Manchu stereotype that the comic books portrayed, but that’s not the only reason,” Black says. “I wanted to do something that was an interesting story choice, that felt like there was a little bit of satire, that was a little bit about our own fear and our own ways of viewing villains.”

Love or hate it, you can’t deny that what they ultimately did to this version of The Mandarin was a bold and risky choice.

http://youtu.be/5EjG-1U3wqA

“Some people call me a terrorist. I consider myself a teacher,” Ben Kingsley’s version of The Mandarin snarled in early previews. “Lesson #1: Heroes – there is no such thing.”

Interesting word choice there, because it turns out that his villain … is also “no such thing.”

The terrorist who takes over the television airwaves to claim responsibility for various bombings around the world is a front, a sham. The Mandarin is created as way to make high-tech bio-accidents look like purposeful attacks on the military, by way of protecting the developers whose healing Extremis serum sometimes has volatile, catastrophic side effects for its users — causing them to detonate like living bombs.

Kingsley’s true character? A clueless, cowering, dim-witted actor named Trevor.

It’s not that The Mandarin isn’t in the movie — it’s just that he’s not the character you think he is, which leads to one of the most unexpected twists in the mythology of any recent superhero saga. Instead we find out that Guy Pearce’s scientist-entrepreneur Aldrich Killian is the true mastermind, although in the Extremis graphic novel, he is merely a desperate scientist who commits suicide after selling the formula to a domestic terror group.

In Iron Man 3, the character gets to go full on Big Bad. “Ultimately we do give you the Mandarin, the real guy, but it’s Guy Pearce in the end with the big dragon tattooed on his chest,” Black says. “He says, ‘You don’t understand, I’ve been this guy since I was born. I’ve been embodying him in this (actor) that I’ve had proxying for me, but it’s really me.’”

Feige notes that every character in the movies — from Tony Stark to his various villains — has some degree of variation from the comics.
“There was a point where it becomes an extreme change,” Feige acknowledges. “It was nerve wracking.”

It was not an easy choice to greenlight, but Marvel chief Feige says it’s sometimes important to break with tradition, even at the risk of alienating some purists. “Shane really had a lot of great ideas about identity and about false faces and about anonymity,” he said.

Black and co-writer Drew Pearce proposed this argument in favor of The Mandarin twist: “What if he’s sort of this all-things-to-all-people uber-terrorist? What if he is the myth, and in the end that is what we’re dealing with, a created myth that (a research group) has perpetuated and cobbled together using elements from popular consciousness,” Black says. “It felt like it said more about the world we live in than just having (Iron Man) fight another terrorist, as opposed to putting a spin on it that said something about the way we view terror, perhaps.”

“What it says to me is, we have to be careful. We want to find villains in the world, but it’s a complex world,” Black adds. “If you’re smart in this world, you’ll rule by proxy because the minute you stick your face out there and assign yourself to the role of international villain you become this symbolic target.”

Was it hard to persuade Marvel to take that leap with one of its classic villains?

“Do they hand me a blank check and say, ‘Go break something!’ Or, ‘Go violate some long-standing comic book treaty that fans have supported for years?’ No, but they’ll say: ‘Let’s break something together,’” Black says. “So it’s okay to come up with these crazy things, these far out ideas … and they’ll fly. It’s just that the Marvel guys have to be in the room.”

The other truly shocking thing is that the movie’s secret managed to stay under wraps. There were no early revelations of the twist, and most outlets have refrained from discussing it in a story like this until after the movie opened. Now, of course, it’s fair game to discuss.

So now let’s look back at how the filmmakers protected that secret.

“We’ve been very honest,” Feige notes.

http://youtu.be/VcZdrfDeJTo

This recent TV spot includes some lines that become quite revealing in retrospect: Stark’s declaration, “You’re not a man!” is just one.
“You’ll never … see me … coming,” snarled by Kingsley’s character, is another. We sure didn’t.

Iron Man becomes Irony Man.

Marvel first showed off Kingsley as The Mandarin in footage shown at Comic-Con last July — which included that intimidating, Nixonian voice over about how there is “no such thing” as heroes. That was only the first time they tipped their hand about truth and fiction.

In October, Marvel publicly debuted the first images of Kingsley’s character in EW, and Feige gave an interview explaining some of the details of this interpretation.

>>>One of the first things we addressed was the character’s complicated heritage. Kingsley is not, of course, Chinese, but Feige says they wanted to blur the background of this version of The Mandarin. “It’s less about his specific ethnicity than the symbolism of various cultures and iconography that he perverts for his own end,” Feige says. From his samurai hair, to his royal robe, to his bin Laden-esque beard, and the AK-47 he keeps at his side, Kingsley’s interpretation is a hodgepodge of various warrior motifs.<<<

Again, without revealing the twist, Feige was still being totally honest about The Mandarin. He spoke the truth about how the character was an amalgamation of symbols, skewed for the purposes of the true wrongdoers.

It was in that interview that Feige confirmed the Ten Rings worn by The Mandarin would not be magical alien artifacts, despite the existence of extra-terrestrials being a big part of the climactic battle in The Avengers.

Here’s another hint Feige coyly dropped, which reads very differently after you actually have seen the movie.

>>>“A lot of this movie is about characters going back into the shadows for various reasons and characters who have been in the shadows coming out and into the light for the first time,” Feige says. “It is Tony who, for various reasons, finds himself receding into the darkness. I don’t mean emotional darkness, I mean literally ducking out of the spotlight. And we’ll see other characters stepping up who have pulled strings from the background, starting to show their hand.”<<<

He’s talking about The Mandarin, all right. But it’s Pearce’s Mandarin, and not Kingsley’s.

Well played, Marvel. Sometimes truth is the most powerful deceiver.

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And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming
116876, Hmmm..
Posted by Mageddon, Mon May-13-13 02:00 AM
I don't think what they did was terrible.

Better than having a ching chong chinamin.

...

Yeah, I know they probably wouldn't have taken him there.

Regardless, THAT sort of comic book nerd is annoying.
116877, More is Less (Spoilers)
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue May-07-13 02:49 AM
This kind of felt like Shane Black and Marvel had a lot of ideas for an Iron Man movie and tried to throw them all in this one film. I never really got invested in the film because it was one loose thread after another with a fairly vague endgame for most of the film.
Also, the tone was all over the place. Tony's PTSD went from serious issue to a gimmick for funny moments with the kid. While I liked the stuff with the kid, the whole thing felt bizarre and almost like it should have been in a different movie altogether. And while I know we love Tony Stark and his devil may care attitude but a little sense of urgency would have been nice.

As others have mentioned, Rebecca Hall didn't really need to be in the film and I personally felt like she was all over the place. When the twist occurs, she seems like she's all in but then later she suddenly has serious regrets. One talk with Tony Stark changed all of that?

The Extremis powers were never defined and seemed to change to fit whatever was needed.

"The File" and the meeting with the mom were laughably convenient yet still nonsensical.

The master plan was also pretty weak. An interesting film could have been made with War Machine getting used as a pawn to stir up anti-American sentiment by attacking incorrect targets based off bad info but nothing really came of this part at all.

And where the hell was S.H.I.E.L.D? Tony Stark is presumed dead and they are nowhere to be found? Wasn't one part of The Avengers that they became a team yet they seem to have no qualms with an active terrorist who then also kills one of their members?

All in all, I was entertained but underwhelmed.
116878, spot on
Posted by ternary_star, Tue May-07-13 11:36 AM
it was extremely disjointed. trying to jam all those storylines into one movie created a lot of boring lulls in between what were actually pretty good action scenes.

even the christmas setting felt forced (and never payed off in any way).

the fact that they kept the botanist storyline in the script is just baffling.
116879, It was entertaining, but still pretty average
Posted by icecold21, Wed May-08-13 02:50 PM
Not a fan of the twist. It was funny and worked for that movie, and I'm not even a huge IM fan when it comes to the comics, but I still didn't care for it. It wasn't necessary and a bit of a tease when you're expecting something that didn't come.

Rebecca Hall's role was pointless and corny. The narration thing and the Christmas setting I wasn't feeling.

I liked the little kid.

Killian was a boring villain, and considering IM doesn't have a good rogue's gallery it makes the twist that much worse.

I liked the idea of Pepper being more than a just a damsel in distress, but that shit was corny. Don Cheadle still makes me wish Terrence Howard was in it. He was fine I guess, but Howard had much better chemistry with RDJ and was a better fit as Rhodey.

I didn't mind the Tony Stark to Iron Man screentime ratio. I was good with it.

Had some plot holes and inconsistencies for sure and seemed to be more humorous than all the others, so it had its moments and was good as far as being entertaining, but it was really average overall.
116880, was anyone else not CACKLING for most of this flick?
Posted by araQual, Wed May-08-13 09:47 PM
like, CACKLING.
at:
-most of Tony's screentime with the kid.
-the empty Iron Man bots gettin trashed in comical fashion.
-the random Whedonesque banter of the usually by-the-numbers nameless henchman (the two dudes when Tony is tied up, and that one dude who surrenders and bounces lol, and i dont bring Whedon up lightly cos thats EXACTLY the style he patented and perfected throughout Buffy and Angel).
-The Mandarin reveal?!? cahmaahhhn. that shit was BRILL.
-THE POST-CREDITS SCENE. the cackle turnd into a HOWL. thank fuck its at the drive ins and i can make as much noise as i want lol. but...no one laughed?

like, i dug all the cool action sheit.
but this was a Shane Black flick through and through.
anyone with a cursory knowledge of The Last Boyscout woulda loved the shit outta IM3 (as i did). this is one of the first times i feel left out of the fanboy criticisms cos i was never an IM fan til the movies happened.

V.
116881, What happened to Cap neck tattoo?
Posted by quikfit, Thu May-09-13 07:45 AM
Remember early images of Cap's shield as a tattoo on the back of a neck? Gone!

I was so-so on this flick. BK is such a good villain, too bad we didn't really get to see him be one.

116882, I might've loved it if I was 10 yrs old.
Posted by silentnoah, Fri May-10-13 12:23 AM
It was ok though.
116883, Good flick...didn't feel like a Marvel or an Iron Man film tho.
Posted by JG., Sat May-11-13 11:38 AM
Still entertaining, but it didn't feel the same.
116884, enjoyed it--
Posted by bloocollar, Sun May-12-13 11:15 PM
it could have been trimmed down abt 20 mins.

and the botanist character and subplot was useless

and surprisingly funny as hell
116885, even more predictable, less nuanced than I was expecting
Posted by celery77, Mon May-13-13 09:27 AM
can anyone make a case for what the theme of the movie was besides "Iron Man fights some bad guys?" I mean, I saw that they seemed to be tugging at the strings of "anxiety" and manufactured fears (especially with the bookend voice-over at the start and finish of the film) but was that really played out in the film?

I mean, aside from the Mandarin being an actor, there was NOTHING manufactured about the threat of Extremis (they blew up Tony Stark's house for chrissakes!). the theme that ended up getting short shrift was the idea about genetic engineering and the outer limits of scientific ethics, and I might be too kind by saying it got "short shrift" since really it wasn't there at all. I think I'm still just trying to cling on to what I liked about the Extremis comic books.

but seriously, action scenes came at a stupidly predictable rate, the whole story could be boiled down to "Iron Man had to fight a bad guy," and in the end the only real thing we learned about Extremis is that somehow it made people stronger and their punches were able to damage Iron Man armor because of it.

anyway -- not worth even typing that much about. paint-by-numbers super hero movie.
116886, I was disappointed.
Posted by spades, Mon May-13-13 11:09 AM
It's a good film, objectively - I enjoyed it but didn't like it. It's a tad long and definitely not the Mandarin I was looking forward too. I REALLY don't get where they're going w/this. Using the Mandarin would have been a good segue into guardians of the galaxy & Thanos.

If they're going to keep the films 'grounded' which was the reason for neutering Mandarin (0stensibly) why involve Thanos/GG at all?

*shrug*

I'm sure they have a plan, but I'm not quite sure how they get there.
116887, I think the grounding of Mandarin... (Spoilers)
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon May-13-13 11:40 AM
>It's a good film, objectively - I enjoyed it but didn't like
>it. It's a tad long and definitely not the Mandarin I was
>looking forward too. I REALLY don't get where they're going
>w/this. Using the Mandarin would have been a good segue into
>guardians of the galaxy & Thanos.
>
>If they're going to keep the films 'grounded' which was the
>reason for neutering Mandarin (0stensibly) why involve
>Thanos/GG at all?

... had more to do with the racial aspect than the "magic." Obviously Extremis takes enough suspension of disbelief that we could've bought magic rings.

I heard Black talk about how he felt Mandarin's "foreignness" could make for a great message on the nature of America's trust in themselves and their xenophobia. With a puppet Mandarin, we get some nice commentary on how we as a country exploit our fear of outsiders when in fact many of the real threats to our way of life come from within. Which I thought read nicely in the story.

I'm just not sure any sort of remotely PC moviegoer would have been straight with a Mandarin from the Orient rocking a Fu Manchu and sporting mystical powers. Once they made him Middle Eastern-seeming, perhaps they could have still gone forward with the rings...

... I just liked how it became a message on fear-mongering. Considering we'll have plenty of outside threats with Avengers 2 and presumably Thor 2, it was nice to have some homegrown terrorism and a reminder that American egocentricity breeds villainy perhaps even more than some vague notion of "kill the capitalist infidels."
116888, I get that, I truly do.
Posted by spades, Tue May-14-13 12:53 PM
>... had more to do with the racial aspect than the "magic."
>Obviously Extremis takes enough suspension of disbelief that
>we could've bought magic rings.

But all that was necesarry was to change his look. They could have done EXACTLY what they did, just give him magic rings and it would have works just as well IMO>
>
>I heard Black talk about how he felt Mandarin's "foreignness"
>could make for a great message on the nature of America's
>trust in themselves and their xenophobia. With a puppet
>Mandarin, we get some nice commentary on how we as a country
>exploit our fear of outsiders when in fact many of the real
>threats to our way of life come from within. Which I thought
>read nicely in the story.

I saw that message and thought it was worthwhile - but AGAIN, we could have done that w/a less iconic character than Mandarin. I mean, he's IronMan's ARCHNEMISIS to neuter him like that just didn't sit right w/me, ESPECIALLY considering where they're taking this films.
>
>I'm just not sure any sort of remotely PC moviegoer would have
>been straight with a Mandarin from the Orient rocking a Fu
>Manchu and sporting mystical powers. Once they made him Middle
>Eastern-seeming, perhaps they could have still gone forward
>with the rings...

This is my thing. Change the look, not the character.
>
>... I just liked how it became a message on fear-mongering.
>Considering we'll have plenty of outside threats with Avengers
>2 and presumably Thor 2, it was nice to have some homegrown
>terrorism and a reminder that American egocentricity breeds
>villainy perhaps even more than some vague notion of "kill the
>capitalist infidels."

I liked this too. Caught a glimpse of this same messaging in Olympus has fallen which I REALLY liked.
116889, I actually think...
Posted by phenompyrus, Mon May-13-13 12:46 PM
Slight spoilers if you haven't seen it...





The Mandarin will play more in the other films, and might actually be the all powerful character he is in the comic books, b/c of that very reason. He was grounded for this movie, but Killian was able to generate heat blasts and glow orange to fight Stark? C'mon.
116890, that could work. he's just an actor in his first flick..
Posted by araQual, Mon May-13-13 09:02 PM
..but subsequent flicks he gains his powers n shit.
works for me.

V.
116891, But they already established the Five Rings in IM1
Posted by SoulHonky, Mon May-13-13 11:32 PM
That's what was so odd about what they did with Mandarin here. Honestly, the main thrust was that they didn't want to piss off the second biggest movie market in the world and make a Chinese villain. But I felt like they could have done something with the Five Rings separate from Mandarin since they'd already established the terrorism organization in Iron Man 1.
116892, they could still make a chinese villain and avoid....
Posted by lexx3001, Tue May-14-13 08:24 AM
...the backlash. Its as easy as introducing a supporting character of chinese origin. I don't think that was the reason at all.
116893, China wouldn't have shown the film
Posted by SoulHonky, Tue May-14-13 09:41 AM
They only allow a certain number of foreign films to screen each year and if Iron Man had a Chinese villain, they likely wouldn't have chosen it. It's why everyone in Hollywood tip-toes around China and Red Dawn changed the invaders from Chinese to North Korean. You make a Chinese villain in your movie, you're risking a HUGE hit to your foreign box office.
116894, James Badge Dale damn near stole this
Posted by jigga, Wed May-15-13 12:09 PM
Gotta get this guy more screen time

116895, Great movie only comic nerds hate it and yall hate everything
Posted by Heinz, Thu May-16-13 04:32 AM
even if you like any of these comic movies u find a reason to hate it lol

116896, Third best in the series
Posted by lfresh, Sat Jun-01-13 08:28 PM
definitely not as good as the first two


not bad
but just not as good as the first two
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You cannot hate people for their own good.
116897, RE: Alright, alright i am creeping up in here kinda late
Posted by maternalbliss, Sun Jul-07-13 07:10 PM
because i am hoping most of y'all niggas won't read this post.IM3 is not a great movie. Did i like it uhhh well i loved Kingsley. That guy was killing it. I wish they would have introduced the Mandarin in IM2.
The whole extramis thing absolutely made no sense. (I've seen this movie twice). At least IM2 had a plot that made sense. Unfortunately IM3 like IM2 just does not have much rewatch value. I am giving this film the same grade i would give IM2.

Grade B-

IM3 is what i would call a great bad movie. I think the last great bad movie i saw was....Skyfall.

Have a nice day.







116898, agreed
Posted by BigWorm, Sun Jul-07-13 09:31 PM
RDJ did his usual thing, which was entertaining.

I LOVED that they took a major comic book villain and spun it around for laughs. Kingsley was perfect.

Otherwise, yup. It made no sense, nothing about it was really strong, and overall it felt like they needed to keep the momentum going after The Avengers and slapped this together despite plotholes and the fact that, unlike the previous movies, this didn't do anything to really further the Avengers storyline. I was at least holding out for Sam Jackson coming back for the end credits, but nope, it was just a quick joke that didn't point to the next movie.

It wasn't awful, it was entertaining, but I have no desire to see it again.
116899, Here is how I was after this movie ended:
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Mon Oct-28-13 09:59 AM
http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/817985333.gif?13829018

What a complete piece of shit of a movie
And to think they got guy pierce in this rubbish

Smdh