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55. "The Noyce conversation is an interesting chapter in the book (swipes)"
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Sun Feb-21-10 05:48 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

Unabridged audio transcription FTW!

Too bad I don't remember much of the details of this chapter from the film, save Kelly Leak looking emaciated and pretty fucked up...

This will include some of the passages from book (© Dennis Lehane)... whole passages will have the ">" and"<" marks around them... Colin Powell it if you must...


When Noyce first calls out Teddy's real last name, Teddy thinks that it's "not Laeddis' voice, definitely not, but one that seemed familiar just the same," but when he shines the match on Noyce and Noyce looks at him for the first time, Teddy thinks, "no, not Laeddis, not anyone he knew."

Noyce says that Teddy failed him, promised that he'd "be free of this place," that he lied, that he was supposed to save him, reminds Teddy of all the conversations they had, then they argue a bit about what "this" was really about... Noyce hints that Teddy lied when Teddy told him that he was going to do something to "expose" something (presumably the entire institution)... and when Teddy starts to say that "this" was about "the truth... exposing--" Noyce cuts him off and says, "This is about YOU. And Laeddis. This is all it's ever been about. I was incidental. I was a way in."

Then Noyce walks toward Teddy... and Teddy asks who did the facial to him. "YOU did this..." Then Noyce gets closer: "All your talk. All your fucking talk, and I'm back in here, because of you."

Then Lehane writes, "Teddy remembered the last time he'd seen him in the visiting room at the prison." Noyce then says that Teddy never wanted to expose this place:

>"George," Teddy said, keeping his voice low, calm, "that's not true... No. What do you think I've spent the last two years of my life planning for? This. Now. Right here."<

Noyce disagrees, saying Teddy only spent the last two years "planning to kill, that's all. Kill Laeddis, that's your fucking game. And look where it got me. Here. Back here. I can't take it here. I can't take this fucking horror house, do you hear me? Not again. Not again. Not again."

Teddy asks George how "they" got to him: "they can't just come into a prison and pluck you out. There have to be transfer orders, there have to be psychiatric consultations. Files, George, paperwork."

George spits in Teddy's face, then says that Cawley's specialty is treating men with a history of violence, that the institution consists mainly of patients with felonies from all over the country, which is why no one bothered to look over his transfer papers. Then he says that he's "never getting out now. I got out once. Not twice. Never twice."

Teddy asks again how "they" got to George, who replies:

>"They knew. Don't you get it? Everything you were up to. Your whole plan. This is a game. A handsomely-mounted stage play. All this... is for you."

"They threw in a hurricane just for me, huh? Neat trick... explain that... Let's relax with the paranoia, okay?"

"Been alone much?" Noyce said... "Alone. Have you ever been alone since this whole thing started?"

Teddy said, "All the time."

George cocked one eyebrow. "COMPLETELY alone?"

"Well, my partner--"

"And who's your partner?"

Teddy jerked a thumb back up the cell block. "His name's Chuck. He's--"

"Let me guess," Noyce said. "You never worked with him before, have you?

Teddy felt the cell block around him. The bones in his upper arms felt cold. For a moment he was unable to speak, as if his brain had forgotten how to connect with his tongue. Then he said, "He's a U.S. Marshal from the Seattle--"

"YOU'VE NEVER WORKED WITH HIM BEFORE, HAVE YOU?"

Teddy said, "That's irrelevant, I know men, I know this guy. I trust him.... I trust him.... That's the only way I know how to put it."

Noyce looked at him sadly through the steel tubing. "Then they've already won."<


Then Noyce begs Teddy to not let them take him to the lighthouse, and Teddy says he's going to get Noyce out of there:

>Teddy remembered that last time they'd met in the visitor's room. And George had said, "If I ever had to go back to that place I'd kill myself." And Teddy had said, "That's not going to happen." A lie, apparently. Because here Noyce was: beaten, broken, shaken with fear.<


Teddy then promises George again that he will come back for him, but Noyce tells him that "You can't kill Laeddis and expose the truth at the same time. You have to make a choice. You understand that, don't you?"

But Teddy asks where Laeddis is. And when Noyce repeatedly asks Teddy if he understands that he has to make a choice, Teddy only says that he "won't kill anyone," and Lehane writes that Teddy would agree to "bury his vendetta (against Laeddis), put it aside" if it meant getting "this terrible victim (Noyce) home." Noyce then tells Teddy that "She's dead. Let her go."

And at that moment, Teddy has a memory of Rachel.

>"Let her go." Noyce had said.

"I can't." Teddy said....

"Then you'll never leave this island."

Teddy said nothing, and Noyce said, "He was transferred out of Ward C. If he's not in Ward B, there's only one place he can be." He waited until Teddy got it. "The lighthouse." Teddy said. Noyce nodded, and the final match went out.<


Teddy leaves shortly thereafter.



It's times like these that I wish I had a copy of the movie in front of me... damn you, Paramount, for moving this movie up to now, thus preventing me from getting a screener (hypothetically)...

And yo, there's a lot going on here for this to just be a simple pulp story... later I'll transcribe the very last scene of the book...

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Shutter Island (Scorsese, 2010) [View all] , PimpMacula, Sun Feb-21-10 01:49 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
seeing this after work tonight
Feb 19th 2010
1
Hope it doesn't suffer from 'the book was better than the movie'
Feb 19th 2010
2
RE: Shutter Island (Scorsese, 2010)
Feb 19th 2010
3
if this is the case
Feb 19th 2010
4
      I have no clue but is performance is damn good
Feb 19th 2010
6
hopfully seeing it tonight *spoiler* k not really just my thoughts pre.....
Feb 19th 2010
5
You think you know... but you have no idea...
Feb 19th 2010
7
      LOL
Feb 20th 2010
10
           oop
Feb 20th 2010
13
                no no no not a good or bad thing
Feb 20th 2010
16
Got damn.
Feb 19th 2010
8
love the avatar.
Jan 10th 2011
138
Gahbage
Feb 19th 2010
9
This movie wasnt good
Feb 20th 2010
11
Crazy ass movie
Feb 20th 2010
12
i loved the way it was shot
Feb 20th 2010
14
Needed to cut a half an hour out of it.
Feb 20th 2010
15
*I liked all that stuff*
Feb 20th 2010
18
Quantity doesn't = quality
Feb 20th 2010
19
      RE: Quantity doesn't = quality
Feb 20th 2010
24
           Zee Germans
Feb 20th 2010
30
                RE: Zee Germans
Feb 21st 2010
47
Eh, most of that stuff worked for me
Feb 21st 2010
39
I liked it
Feb 20th 2010
17
RE: I liked it
Feb 23rd 2010
85
Good ass flick. Go see it.
Feb 20th 2010
20
I went in thinking it was going to be shit
Feb 20th 2010
21
RE: I went in thinking it was going to be shit
Feb 20th 2010
22
      Yeah the look of the film was probably the best part of it
Feb 20th 2010
36
           agreed
Feb 21st 2010
45
RE: Shutter Island (Scorsese, 2010)
Feb 20th 2010
23
Spoiler discussion:
Feb 20th 2010
25
RE: Spoiler discussion:
Feb 20th 2010
27
RE: Spoiler discussion:
Feb 20th 2010
29
      RE: Spoiler discussion:
Feb 20th 2010
31
      RE: Spoiler discussion:
Feb 20th 2010
32
           That's pretty much what I thought
Feb 21st 2010
38
                Yeah, this is what I was asking about.
Feb 21st 2010
40
                     RE: Yeah, this is what I was asking about.
Feb 21st 2010
41
                     Yeah, that's what I got out of it too.
Feb 21st 2010
42
                          The one thing that doesn't fit for me...
Feb 21st 2010
43
                               The best I can do is...
Feb 21st 2010
44
                                   
                                         That's damn near identical to the scene in the film, to my memory.
Feb 21st 2010
57
                     I thought the shaking of the head meant
Mar 16th 2010
118
I thought the same thing. **SPOILER****
Feb 20th 2010
34
Exactly.
Feb 20th 2010
35
I defiantly got that
Feb 21st 2010
56
RE: Spoiler discussion:
Feb 22nd 2010
58
RE: Spoiler discussion:
Mar 02nd 2010
108
Why would Ruffalo having a problem with his hoslter be
Mar 16th 2010
119
LOL....WHAT the FUCK!
Feb 21st 2010
46
Very well done
Feb 20th 2010
28
Excellent film!!!!
Feb 20th 2010
33
just got back... dope! Leo killed in this role (Spoilers)
Feb 21st 2010
37
The Band-Aid (Spoilers)
Feb 21st 2010
48
ah yes i meant to ask this as well
Feb 21st 2010
49
Neither makes perfect sense but...
Feb 21st 2010
50
There are terrible problems with either solution.
Feb 21st 2010
52
      But in one instance there are explanations.
Feb 21st 2010
53
           I agree.
Feb 22nd 2010
60
                So your issue is more with the story than the filmmaking itself?
Feb 22nd 2010
63
                     both.
Feb 22nd 2010
68
The coaching of the crazy people was obvious.
Feb 21st 2010
51
      to add to your comments
Feb 23rd 2010
78
For a few minutes I thought I was watchin Cliffhanger 2
Feb 21st 2010
54
RE: For a few minutes I thought I was watchin Cliffhanger 2
Mar 20th 2010
123
what was the rule of four?
Feb 22nd 2010
59
What I got from the film was...
Feb 22nd 2010
62
Good movie. Nuff said
Feb 22nd 2010
61
BTW, I couldn't watch this film without thinking of Vertigo.
Feb 22nd 2010
64
I was reminded more of Spellbound
Feb 22nd 2010
72
I saw a mixture of Caligari, Vertigo, and The Shining
Feb 23rd 2010
76
The only lingering question I had was... (spoilers)
Feb 22nd 2010
65
wondering the same thing
Feb 22nd 2010
66
Everyone else was acting, why couldn't the nurse?
Feb 23rd 2010
82
      that'd be soem damn good acting
Mar 02nd 2010
107
The way I understood it...
Feb 22nd 2010
67
RE: The only lingering question I had was... (spoilers)
Feb 23rd 2010
77
      my only beef with that is
Feb 23rd 2010
81
Am I the only one who thought.... (SPOILERS)
Feb 22nd 2010
69
I can see that
Feb 22nd 2010
70
I always get those two mixed up....
Feb 23rd 2010
75
elias koteas looks like deniro in a whole lotta things he's been in.
Feb 22nd 2010
71
I know - it's like haven't they seen him before?
Mar 05th 2010
111
Casey Jones for the win!
Feb 22nd 2010
73
I thought so at first as well. Dead ringer for DeNiro.
Feb 22nd 2010
74
i was almost certain it was De Niro from the trailer
Feb 25th 2010
89
saw this TWICE today
Feb 23rd 2010
79
A little long, but overall enjoyable.
Feb 23rd 2010
80
Teddy faked the relapse?
Feb 23rd 2010
83
he didn't fake being cured
Feb 24th 2010
88
      I interpreted that line a bit differently actually...
Feb 26th 2010
97
      God made me slow...
Feb 27th 2010
101
RE: Shutter Island (Scorsese, 2010)
Feb 23rd 2010
84
Any significance to the rats?
Feb 24th 2010
86
The rats were in reference to Matt Damon I believe
Feb 24th 2010
87
      LOL
Mar 13th 2010
117
I dug it
Feb 25th 2010
90
The Nazi parts were extremely important...
Mar 01st 2010
104
      i don't agree
Mar 02nd 2010
105
           Apparently
Mar 02nd 2010
106
Scorcesi's Hitchcock movie
Feb 25th 2010
91
what flaws?
Feb 26th 2010
92
      RE: what flaws?
Feb 26th 2010
93
      RE: what flaws?
Feb 26th 2010
94
      That's what I gathered as well.
Feb 26th 2010
99
      RE: what flaws?
Feb 26th 2010
95
      Flaws:
Feb 27th 2010
100
      RE: Flaws:
Feb 27th 2010
102
      "Too vague?"
Mar 08th 2010
112
           Disappointing for a Scorcese flick (spoiler)
Mar 08th 2010
113
                agreed (spoiler)
Mar 08th 2010
114
I'm glad I saw it before these new commercials.
Feb 26th 2010
96
Yeah, that's annoying...
Feb 26th 2010
98
      my fb is full of "i saw it comin within 5 minutes"
Feb 28th 2010
103
Guess I'm just not a fan of these types of movies.
Mar 04th 2010
109
Scorcese for this generation
Mar 04th 2010
110
RE: Leo gives a captivating performance in a solid film
Mar 09th 2010
115
Anybody else notice crazy lady's imaginary drink of water?
Mar 13th 2010
116
I noticed the fake water too but then when I saw the
Mar 16th 2010
120
yeah
Mar 16th 2010
121
Leo glass of water disappeared too.
Jun 17th 2010
128
Remener when Leo walked in & everyone was getting
Mar 16th 2010
122
see post 78
Apr 04th 2010
126
Let me start by saying I didn't think it was a BAD film (contains spoile...
Mar 24th 2010
124
Just got back from seeing it.....excellent film
Apr 04th 2010
125
RE: Just got back from seeing it.....excellent film
Apr 04th 2010
127
Which would be worse, to live as a monster...
Jun 17th 2010
129
you figured out the final twist from the trailer?
Jun 17th 2010
130
      Not that twist.
Jun 17th 2010
131
Fantastic Second Viewing
Jun 18th 2010
132
1/3 in and Marty Mar had to get that n-bomb in there
Jun 19th 2010
133
shhh.
Jun 20th 2010
135
a very mediocre movie.
Jun 20th 2010
134
Now THIS is a "psychological thriller"...
Jun 20th 2010
136
ehh ... Session 9 with a budget
Jan 10th 2011
137

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