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119. "you saw the script a year before release?"
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you haven't quite convinced me that its as wack for being praised as dope despite being wack or at least marginal as you say it is...

you right about that 30 reasons stuff though- at least with y'all micros...




>When I ask someone a simple motherfucking question:
>
>"Why do you like Pulp Fiction?"
>
>
>And I get 30 different answers, some people
>extracting things that had nothing to do with the
>movie, citing things that the director did not
>intend, and things that did not even fucking
>happen, than I have a write to raise a
>
>*people's eyebrow*
>
>at the bullshit.
>
>My question in response:
>
>"WHY ARE PEOPLE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO
>INVENT REASONS TO LIKE THIS MOVIE? WHY ARE
>THEY CREATING THINGS and SEEING THINGS THAT
>DID NOT FUCKING HAPPEN? WHY ARE THEY CREDITING
>THE DIRECTOR WITH MESSAGES AND THOUGHTS AND
>MEANINGS THAT WEREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING MOVIE?"
>
>
>Why?
>
>
>
>Why?
>
>
>
>That is where "hype" and "culture" and all this
>bullshit factor in: People do that because they
>FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. And even better,
>people DON'T DO THAT WITH OTHER FILMS THE SAME WAY,
>because OTHER FILMS HAVEN'T ACCUMULATED THE SAME
>CULTURE AMBIANCE.
>
>Its actually quite simple.
>
>>Well, why is it okay for you to say LBS had better dialogue
>>than PF, but if someone believes the complete opposite, then
>>they're a victim of the awful hype machine?
>
>No. That's your opinion.
>
>I don't think the idea that LBS had better dialogue
>is a law of thermodynamics.
>
>
>
>>First, liking the soundtrack IS one of a huge number of
>>reasons to like a movie. If that's the ONLY thing someone
>>liked about the movie, then it's probably not a good movie.
>>But liking the soundtrack is just ONE thing that someone
>might
>>like about it.
>
>See, this is what I mean.
>
>That's bullshit, and you know it.
>
>If you like the soundtrack, you like the soundtrack.
>
>The only people who infuse that into their REASONS
>for liking the movie are people who are trying
>to be overly creative about finding reasons.
>
>My 'Do the Right Thing' example works here:
>
>The film has actually received as good, or
>better, critical acclaim as 'Pulp Fiction'
>(the two are in different galaxies in terms
>of quality, to me). When you ask people why
>they liked 'Do the Right Thing', you get a
>host of answers:
>
>Story, characters, messages, dynamics,
>setting, cinematography, DIALOGUE(I mean,
>you want to hear great exchanges? Watch THIS
>movie).
>
>Because 'Do the Right Thing' is actually a great
>movie with REAL things to extract, we all don't
>need to be Harry Potter about inventing reasons
>to like it.
>
>And so even though Spike Lee did an excellent
>job using music in the film, we don't even
>get to the use of music in the film, because
>there are more actually cinematic items
>to point to when discussing why we love the
>film.
>
>That is not the case in "Pulp Fiction' commentaries.
>
>People get creative:
>
>"It had great racial commentary."
>
>"It used colors well."
>
>"It was allegorical."
>
>I mean, a motherfucker in THIS POST DESCRIBED
>IT WITH THE TERM:
>
>"Zeigeist"
>
>I mean, are you motherfuckers serious?
>
>You are CREATING shit that ain't there.
>
>Even worse, THE OTHER HALF OF YOU WHO LIKE THE
>FILM think that the people who found meaning in
>it are "idiots(I think I'm quoting 'Soulhonky').
>
>
>So what is really good?
>
>
>>For instance, I loved the soundtracks to Pulp Fiction, High
>>Fidelity, Judgment Night, Forrest Gump... etc. The
>soundtracks
>>alone didn't make me like the movies, but they definitely
>>contributed to my enjoyment.
>
>Judgment Night is a perfect example.
>
>That movie was corny as shit, and people love the soundtrack
>and talk about it until today...further proof that the
>soundtrack
>'s goodness has little place in the discussion of the film.
>
>When you ask someone:
>
>"Hey, did you like 'Judgment Night?'"
>
>And they say: "Yes"
>
>And you ask them "Why is that?"
>
>And they answer: "The story and the soundtrack"
>
>You would laugh in their fucking face, and reply,
>correctly that:
>
>"Son, that the soundtrack was good has shit to do
>with anything so stop copping pleas and come up
>with some valid reasons."
>
>
>>The dude's whole point was that he HAD NOT heard much about
>>the movie beforehand. Maybe there was promotion for it and
>he
>>missed it. To be honest I don't really remember much
>promotion
>>either.
>
>Oh, I see:
>
>I suppose he just randomly walked into a motherfucking
>indy theatre in an artsy section of the east village in
>NYC?
>
>Or did something he HEARD DRAW HIM to a MULTIPLEX
>MAJOR CINEMA to see the movie?
>
>It had HUGE ACCLAIM WAY BEFORE IT CAME OUT, which is
>why it was so available for everyone to see.
>
>I remember SEEING THE SCRIPT FOR IT like a year before
>it came out.
>
>It *did* have hype, so please, fall back with the
>plea copping.
>
>
>>Not everyone had the same experience you did, which was
>>apparently overhype for a movie that you didn't like. That's
>>fine. I'm not going to try to convince you that you should
>>love the movie. It's your loss, IMO.
>>But I don't see why you're such a crusader against it. So it
>>wasn't for you. Move on.
>
>No, this is more fun, thankx.
>
>
>>You're not actually saying anything here. People who saw the
>>movie when it first came out and LOVED the fuck out of it
>were
>>completely justified in telling all their friends that the
>>movie was fucking awesome. Because it was.
>
>No, the people who saw it first are the ones who
>helped create the bullshit culture out of thin air,
>the type of culture that makes people compare Jackson's
>religious shit at the end to Hamlet's "To be or not to be"
>soliliquy. <---I actually heard that from someone
>
>
>>So even if that built up the hype for the movie, I don't see
>>how it's unjustified, given that it's simply people who
>loved
>>the movie... telling other people that they loved the movie.
>
>
>Well, I hold everyone responsible for judging things
>fairly.
>
>You didn't judge it fairly.
>
>You built unwarranted hype for what is, in my opinion,
>a bite-fest of incoherent babble and "look how smart I am"
>pretentious dickhead writing.
>
>>So knocking people for building the "pretentious bandwagon"
>is
>>not a valid point here.
>
>Yes, it is.
>
>
>
>>Some people liked it and found it simple and fun crime
>drama.
>
>>For others, the movie really resonated with them on a deeper
>>level.
>
>>The fact that people disagree about why they like the movie
>is
>>not indicative of some pop culture conspiracy to
>unjustifably
>>hype up a bad movie.
>
>Wrong, and you're not getting off that easy.
>
>The thing is this:
>
>The people who liked it for simple reasons
>DONT EVEN FUCKING UNDERSTAND all the complex shit,
>and don't think its relevant.
>
>And I am on board with them:
>
>AT BEST, 'Pulp Fiction' was a sill 'B Movie'.
>
>At best.
>
>No, it was not a "smart" B-Movie.
>
>No, it did not have "earth shattering" performances.
>
>I'll buy that is "slick and fun."
>
>That being the case, its in the 'Tango and Cash'
>arena of films(nothing to be ashamed of, really)
>
>
>>And who the fuck are you (or anyone) to tell either group of
>>people that they're wrong?
>
>I'm Orbit_Established.
>
>Where you been?
>
>>And I don't think most people would call Pulp Fiction a
>>B-movie at all.
>
>Quite a few people in here are, and call people who
>consider it more than that "idiots."
>
>And mind you: These are people who LIKED the film.
>
>
>>People could give you reasons, but they already know it's a
>>waste of time, since your typical "bwahaha" and
>self-fellating
>>will begin before you've even finished reading it.
>
>I do that because Damaja(or someone else on here...I think
>it was him though) once told me that the use of drugs
>and needles was a metaphor for the scales of justice and that
>the use of europe as a discussion point in the first convo
>between Travolta and Jackson was about the arbitrary nature
>of laws.
>
>^^^^Guys, I'm being dead fucking serious.
>
>He actually said that shit.
>
>To me.
>
>I almost choked on my goddamn bagel when I read that.
>
>That is, utter and complete bullshit.
>
>
>And its sad and pathetic and it deserves to be laughed at.
>
>
>>Personally, I don't think I'd call it profound - it didn't
>>change the way I viewed the world or anything. It didn't
>teach
>>me lessons about life. It's just one of the coolest and most
>>entertaining movies ever, that's all.
>
>Oh, so a cool B-movie?
>
>Tango and Cash. The Last Boyscout. Pulp Fiction.
>
>
>I can dig it.
>
>
>
>>I love everything about it - the tone and style, an awesome
>>interwoven plot full of all the elements I love (action,
>>drama, humor), cool plot structure, great acting, the
>beloved
>>dialogue, fascinating characters, good music... and it
>exudes
>>visceral coolness (there's the "hype machine" talking,
>>right?).
>
>The Last Boyscout.
>
>
>>Shit, what's not to like?
>
>The non-story, the dimensionless characters, lotsa
>other things.
>
>

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Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked? [View all] , icecold21, Sat Apr-19-08 02:23 AM
 
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On this website??? HARDLY!!!
Apr 19th 2008
1
Oh Christ, not this fucking can of worms again.
Apr 19th 2008
2
217 posts...pussy
Apr 19th 2008
3
RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 19th 2008
4
^^^Tony Rocky Horror^^^
Apr 19th 2008
5
Heat sucked too.
Apr 19th 2008
6
Heat *is* kinda mediocre though.
Apr 19th 2008
8
Fulp Piction was that shit though
Apr 19th 2008
7
You are?
Apr 19th 2008
9
Oh, I meant to have "Am" at the beginning of that
Apr 20th 2008
16
I bought this porno dvd called Pulp Friction.
Apr 19th 2008
10
I got that... I didn't appreciate the male sodomy scene tho. :-\
Apr 19th 2008
11
      *cancels Booty Torrents search*
Apr 19th 2008
12
one of my FAV movies...
Apr 19th 2008
13
^^^O_E alias
Apr 19th 2008
14
I saw it for the first time a month ago
Apr 20th 2008
15
its still good for the dialogue
Apr 20th 2008
17
**MOONWALKS INTO POST, WEARING TIMBS**
Apr 20th 2008
18
No, people like Pulp Fiction because it's a great movie.
Apr 20th 2008
19
U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 20th 2008
20
      RE: U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 20th 2008
21
           I think most people are like you
Apr 20th 2008
22
           Wrong. Post #23.
Apr 20th 2008
24
           Yeah, you're either blind or in denial
Apr 20th 2008
23
                you analyze the fuck out of a flick you supposedly hate
Apr 20th 2008
25
                a)No, I'm just smart + b)Why are you mad?
Apr 20th 2008
26
                     what part of the game is this kid-like nonsense?
Apr 20th 2008
27
                          LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS
Apr 20th 2008
28
                               RE: LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS
Apr 20th 2008
30
                                    "BREATHE" (C) Fabo
Apr 20th 2008
32
                                         RE: "BREATHE" (C) Fabo
Apr 21st 2008
46
                                              Lol. Now, THAT is ironic.
Apr 21st 2008
47
                                                   nah, that would be *fitting* as well, lol.
Apr 21st 2008
48
                                                        Lol. Wrong.
Apr 21st 2008
50
                                                             what is irony?
Apr 21st 2008
54
                                                                  You know, I actually charge for rhetoric lectures.
Apr 21st 2008
62
                Pulp Fiction is much better than Last Boy Scout
Apr 20th 2008
29
                     Lol. You are ethering yourself up in here, fam.
Apr 20th 2008
31
                          I think you've been sipping the latte
Apr 20th 2008
33
                               LOL. I suspect you're just joking at this stage.
Apr 20th 2008
34
                                    So we disagree
Apr 21st 2008
35
                                         HAHAHA. You're still COPPING PLEAS
Apr 21st 2008
37
                                              "Over the top but in a sensible way"
Apr 21st 2008
39
                                                   Now you're just being silly, cuzzo.
Apr 21st 2008
41
this is the dumbest shit ive ever read in PTP
Apr 21st 2008
36
Hahaha^^^Hurting inside
Apr 21st 2008
38
      Hahaha^^^Not a Charter Member
Apr 21st 2008
75
^^^ Big fan of "Madea's Family Reunion"
Apr 21st 2008
43
      ^^^Huge fan of my dick
Apr 21st 2008
44
Some of y'all never learn, do you?
Apr 21st 2008
40
ah, more mind reading
Apr 21st 2008
53
That's not mind reading. That's looking at facts and interpreting.
Apr 21st 2008
66
      you don't 'interpret' a human being
Apr 21st 2008
74
      Yes, actually... you can. Those people are called historians.
Apr 21st 2008
76
      FACT: A load of B movies are really smart
Apr 21st 2008
84
           oh and
Apr 22nd 2008
88
                I'm not trying to imply that they're vapid.
Apr 22nd 2008
94
                     in fact, there's a quote from Tarantino where he says
Apr 23rd 2008
127
                          LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
128
my only gripe is the "people like it because they're told to" cop out
Apr 21st 2008
58
But here's the problem.
Apr 21st 2008
68
true, but his argument is still bullshit
Apr 21st 2008
72
this singlehandedly justifies my Duke hate
Apr 22nd 2008
98
      Actually, I read that at OSU. LOL.
Apr 22nd 2008
103
           well my second statement still applies
Apr 22nd 2008
104
yeah, that sort of ranting is wild micro...
Apr 22nd 2008
90
You should really apologize to OE
Apr 22nd 2008
121
I like it, I liked it when i 1st saw it, and I'll always like
Apr 21st 2008
42
Brilliant
Apr 21st 2008
45
      I was about to do something stupid and get into an exchange
Apr 21st 2008
69
           ^^^Scared to death, scared to look.
Apr 21st 2008
82
                LMAO
Apr 22nd 2008
89
                U are very bright but quite the asshole
Apr 23rd 2008
135
Hmmm, I've seen this movie before.
Apr 21st 2008
49
^^brilliant post
Apr 21st 2008
51
i can see the backlash angle, or the over-analysis angle
Apr 21st 2008
52
Wow. I'm...speechless, fam.
Apr 21st 2008
55
yep, speechless cuz he ethered the fuck out of your whole BS argument
Apr 21st 2008
67
Whyteth are thou panties in a bunch?
Apr 21st 2008
79
Yes and No.
Apr 23rd 2008
145
U got it right
Apr 23rd 2008
136
what was so good about it?
Apr 21st 2008
56
Jesus H. Christ.
Apr 21st 2008
57
      ???
Apr 21st 2008
59
      kap... just don't
Apr 21st 2008
60
      Lol. You just answered your own question, kitko.
Apr 21st 2008
61
           nice attempt to evade, but no cigar.
Apr 21st 2008
63
                Hmm. I sense madness in your keystrokes.
Apr 21st 2008
64
                     actually, the amount of verbiage you expend suggests madness.
Apr 21st 2008
65
                          Oh, So Tarantino gets props for Al Green's popularity? Say word?
Apr 21st 2008
80
                               but that doesn't make any sense.
Apr 22nd 2008
91
                                    Furious?
Apr 22nd 2008
96
      You're a fucking weirdo
Apr 23rd 2008
124
           You were doing fine until this part:
Apr 23rd 2008
126
give it a chance & watch it again
Apr 21st 2008
70
oh, and this post is in serious need of an Admiral Akbar appearance
Apr 21st 2008
71
It reaks of worms and minnows
Apr 21st 2008
73
It's a trap!
Apr 22nd 2008
87
Pulp Fiction>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Forrest Gump
Apr 21st 2008
77
ppl are still arguing pulp fiction w/ O_E?
Apr 21st 2008
78
lol i'm sayin'
Apr 21st 2008
81
ppl are still expending effort on/ O_E?
Apr 21st 2008
85
I'm more amused by the fact that he's still wasting his time hatin
Apr 22nd 2008
92
      I'll tell you what's amusing
Apr 22nd 2008
95
           what the hell
Apr 22nd 2008
102
                *WAGS MUTUMBO FINGER*
Apr 22nd 2008
105
                    
                          At least a year before.
Apr 22nd 2008
120
                               why? what kind of fluke led to that?
Apr 23rd 2008
131
                                    No, I been into film for longer than most of y'all.
Apr 23rd 2008
132
                                         reading scripts, fam?
Apr 23rd 2008
133
                                              Cmon
Apr 23rd 2008
134
post #71
Apr 22nd 2008
99
The best part is this:
Apr 22nd 2008
100
      LOL I had NO idea it would turn into this
Apr 23rd 2008
123
           You're spot on. Don't let these cats make you feel otherwise.
Apr 23rd 2008
129
                It's good to know i ain't by myself on this
Apr 23rd 2008
138
it's not even about 'pulp' anymore; it's about getting oe to relent
Apr 22nd 2008
109
      ^^^Again, being flippant without warrant.
Apr 22nd 2008
111
           please show me where i used the word "illogical" to describe you
Apr 22nd 2008
113
           LMMFAO!!!
Apr 22nd 2008
114
                you know what?
Apr 22nd 2008
118
           it was very much a zeitgeist film though
Apr 22nd 2008
115
                I know what a Zeitgeist is, big guy.
Apr 22nd 2008
116
                     I'm aware
Apr 23rd 2008
139
                          Fair enough. n/m
Apr 23rd 2008
140
                               ^ relenting
Apr 23rd 2008
141
                                    It was actually a pretty good flick now that I really think about it
Apr 23rd 2008
142
                                    **Attention Mods** ^^^Delete this Alias
Apr 23rd 2008
147
                                    Oh god, FILFication has spread to PTP
Apr 23rd 2008
148
                                    cross-boards archive fun:
Apr 23rd 2008
143
                                         that was the *exact* post I thought of
Apr 23rd 2008
144
                                              that's the first thing I thought of when you said that
Apr 23rd 2008
146
                                                   Yep. All sorts of interesting shit be going on.
Apr 23rd 2008
149
                                                        Disagreeing diplomatically = Agreeing
Apr 23rd 2008
150
                                                        You sound....a tad bit mad at Longo.
Apr 23rd 2008
151
                                                        That's like being angry at an echo
Apr 23rd 2008
153
                                                             Hmm. You still sound mad.
Apr 23rd 2008
154
                                                                  You still seem to like to talk about anything but the actual movie
Apr 23rd 2008
157
                                                        What? Dude, I'm writing a 20-page paper on Tarantino.
Apr 23rd 2008
158
                                                             Is the OP called "Do people go overboard about Pulp Fiction?"
Apr 23rd 2008
159
                                                                  I don't know what I did to you, but alright fam.
Apr 23rd 2008
160
                                                                       LOL.
Apr 23rd 2008
161
                                                                            You misread on one key point.
Apr 23rd 2008
162
                                                                                 Check out your timing
Apr 24th 2008
163
                                                                                      Ok.
Apr 24th 2008
165
                                                        ^^^ this post captures the Zeitgeist of Okayplayer
Apr 23rd 2008
152
                                                             That post was about redemption, by the way.
Apr 23rd 2008
155
                                                                  hahahaha - good shit
Apr 23rd 2008
156
RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 21st 2008
83
Pulp Fiction is a man's movie...PERIOD
Apr 21st 2008
86
2 things
Apr 22nd 2008
93
Furious?
Apr 22nd 2008
97
      Enraged even.
Apr 22nd 2008
101
           No homo
Apr 22nd 2008
106
                RE: No homo
Apr 22nd 2008
110
                     Mad?
Apr 22nd 2008
112
                          lol
Apr 22nd 2008
117
I just thought it was ok. But then again most movies that most people...
Apr 22nd 2008
107
LMAO!!!^^^^POWERFUL CAMEO!!!!!
Apr 22nd 2008
108
      yo i'm dying , lmao
Apr 22nd 2008
122
           lmao
Apr 23rd 2008
125
           LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
130
                RE: LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
137
Wait, this isn't how I remember the movie ending
Apr 24th 2008
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