you haven't quite convinced me that its as wack for being praised as dope despite being wack or at least marginal as you say it is...

you right about that 30 reasons stuff though- at least with y'all micros...




>When I ask someone a simple motherfucking question:
>
>"Why do you like Pulp Fiction?"
>
>
>And I get 30 different answers, some people
>extracting things that had nothing to do with the
>movie, citing things that the director did not
>intend, and things that did not even fucking
>happen, than I have a write to raise a
>
>*people's eyebrow*
>
>at the bullshit.
>
>My question in response:
>
>"WHY ARE PEOPLE GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO
>INVENT REASONS TO LIKE THIS MOVIE? WHY ARE
>THEY CREATING THINGS and SEEING THINGS THAT
>DID NOT FUCKING HAPPEN? WHY ARE THEY CREDITING
>THE DIRECTOR WITH MESSAGES AND THOUGHTS AND
>MEANINGS THAT WEREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING MOVIE?"
>
>
>Why?
>
>
>
>Why?
>
>
>
>That is where "hype" and "culture" and all this
>bullshit factor in: People do that because they
>FEEL LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO. And even better,
>people DON'T DO THAT WITH OTHER FILMS THE SAME WAY,
>because OTHER FILMS HAVEN'T ACCUMULATED THE SAME
>CULTURE AMBIANCE.
>
>Its actually quite simple.
>
>>Well, why is it okay for you to say LBS had better dialogue
>>than PF, but if someone believes the complete opposite, then
>>they're a victim of the awful hype machine?
>
>No. That's your opinion.
>
>I don't think the idea that LBS had better dialogue
>is a law of thermodynamics.
>
>
>
>>First, liking the soundtrack IS one of a huge number of
>>reasons to like a movie. If that's the ONLY thing someone
>>liked about the movie, then it's probably not a good movie.
>>But liking the soundtrack is just ONE thing that someone
>might
>>like about it.
>
>See, this is what I mean.
>
>That's bullshit, and you know it.
>
>If you like the soundtrack, you like the soundtrack.
>
>The only people who infuse that into their REASONS
>for liking the movie are people who are trying
>to be overly creative about finding reasons.
>
>My 'Do the Right Thing' example works here:
>
>The film has actually received as good, or
>better, critical acclaim as 'Pulp Fiction'
>(the two are in different galaxies in terms
>of quality, to me). When you ask people why
>they liked 'Do the Right Thing', you get a
>host of answers:
>
>Story, characters, messages, dynamics,
>setting, cinematography, DIALOGUE(I mean,
>you want to hear great exchanges? Watch THIS
>movie).
>
>Because 'Do the Right Thing' is actually a great
>movie with REAL things to extract, we all don't
>need to be Harry Potter about inventing reasons
>to like it.
>
>And so even though Spike Lee did an excellent
>job using music in the film, we don't even
>get to the use of music in the film, because
>there are more actually cinematic items
>to point to when discussing why we love the
>film.
>
>That is not the case in "Pulp Fiction' commentaries.
>
>People get creative:
>
>"It had great racial commentary."
>
>"It used colors well."
>
>"It was allegorical."
>
>I mean, a motherfucker in THIS POST DESCRIBED
>IT WITH THE TERM:
>
>"Zeigeist"
>
>I mean, are you motherfuckers serious?
>
>You are CREATING shit that ain't there.
>
>Even worse, THE OTHER HALF OF YOU WHO LIKE THE
>FILM think that the people who found meaning in
>it are "idiots(I think I'm quoting 'Soulhonky').
>
>
>So what is really good?
>
>
>>For instance, I loved the soundtracks to Pulp Fiction, High
>>Fidelity, Judgment Night, Forrest Gump... etc. The
>soundtracks
>>alone didn't make me like the movies, but they definitely
>>contributed to my enjoyment.
>
>Judgment Night is a perfect example.
>
>That movie was corny as shit, and people love the soundtrack
>and talk about it until today...further proof that the
>soundtrack
>'s goodness has little place in the discussion of the film.
>
>When you ask someone:
>
>"Hey, did you like 'Judgment Night?'"
>
>And they say: "Yes"
>
>And you ask them "Why is that?"
>
>And they answer: "The story and the soundtrack"
>
>You would laugh in their fucking face, and reply,
>correctly that:
>
>"Son, that the soundtrack was good has shit to do
>with anything so stop copping pleas and come up
>with some valid reasons."
>
>
>>The dude's whole point was that he HAD NOT heard much about
>>the movie beforehand. Maybe there was promotion for it and
>he
>>missed it. To be honest I don't really remember much
>promotion
>>either.
>
>Oh, I see:
>
>I suppose he just randomly walked into a motherfucking
>indy theatre in an artsy section of the east village in
>NYC?
>
>Or did something he HEARD DRAW HIM to a MULTIPLEX
>MAJOR CINEMA to see the movie?
>
>It had HUGE ACCLAIM WAY BEFORE IT CAME OUT, which is
>why it was so available for everyone to see.
>
>I remember SEEING THE SCRIPT FOR IT like a year before
>it came out.
>
>It *did* have hype, so please, fall back with the
>plea copping.
>
>
>>Not everyone had the same experience you did, which was
>>apparently overhype for a movie that you didn't like. That's
>>fine. I'm not going to try to convince you that you should
>>love the movie. It's your loss, IMO.
>>But I don't see why you're such a crusader against it. So it
>>wasn't for you. Move on.
>
>No, this is more fun, thankx.
>
>
>>You're not actually saying anything here. People who saw the
>>movie when it first came out and LOVED the fuck out of it
>were
>>completely justified in telling all their friends that the
>>movie was fucking awesome. Because it was.
>
>No, the people who saw it first are the ones who
>helped create the bullshit culture out of thin air,
>the type of culture that makes people compare Jackson's
>religious shit at the end to Hamlet's "To be or not to be"
>soliliquy. <---I actually heard that from someone
>
>
>>So even if that built up the hype for the movie, I don't see
>>how it's unjustified, given that it's simply people who
>loved
>>the movie... telling other people that they loved the movie.
>
>
>Well, I hold everyone responsible for judging things
>fairly.
>
>You didn't judge it fairly.
>
>You built unwarranted hype for what is, in my opinion,
>a bite-fest of incoherent babble and "look how smart I am"
>pretentious dickhead writing.
>
>>So knocking people for building the "pretentious bandwagon"
>is
>>not a valid point here.
>
>Yes, it is.
>
>
>
>>Some people liked it and found it simple and fun crime
>drama.
>
>>For others, the movie really resonated with them on a deeper
>>level.
>
>>The fact that people disagree about why they like the movie
>is
>>not indicative of some pop culture conspiracy to
>unjustifably
>>hype up a bad movie.
>
>Wrong, and you're not getting off that easy.
>
>The thing is this:
>
>The people who liked it for simple reasons
>DONT EVEN FUCKING UNDERSTAND all the complex shit,
>and don't think its relevant.
>
>And I am on board with them:
>
>AT BEST, 'Pulp Fiction' was a sill 'B Movie'.
>
>At best.
>
>No, it was not a "smart" B-Movie.
>
>No, it did not have "earth shattering" performances.
>
>I'll buy that is "slick and fun."
>
>That being the case, its in the 'Tango and Cash'
>arena of films(nothing to be ashamed of, really)
>
>
>>And who the fuck are you (or anyone) to tell either group of
>>people that they're wrong?
>
>I'm Orbit_Established.
>
>Where you been?
>
>>And I don't think most people would call Pulp Fiction a
>>B-movie at all.
>
>Quite a few people in here are, and call people who
>consider it more than that "idiots."
>
>And mind you: These are people who LIKED the film.
>
>
>>People could give you reasons, but they already know it's a
>>waste of time, since your typical "bwahaha" and
>self-fellating
>>will begin before you've even finished reading it.
>
>I do that because Damaja(or someone else on here...I think
>it was him though) once told me that the use of drugs
>and needles was a metaphor for the scales of justice and that
>the use of europe as a discussion point in the first convo
>between Travolta and Jackson was about the arbitrary nature
>of laws.
>
>^^^^Guys, I'm being dead fucking serious.
>
>He actually said that shit.
>
>To me.
>
>I almost choked on my goddamn bagel when I read that.
>
>That is, utter and complete bullshit.
>
>
>And its sad and pathetic and it deserves to be laughed at.
>
>
>>Personally, I don't think I'd call it profound - it didn't
>>change the way I viewed the world or anything. It didn't
>teach
>>me lessons about life. It's just one of the coolest and most
>>entertaining movies ever, that's all.
>
>Oh, so a cool B-movie?
>
>Tango and Cash. The Last Boyscout. Pulp Fiction.
>
>
>I can dig it.
>
>
>
>>I love everything about it - the tone and style, an awesome
>>interwoven plot full of all the elements I love (action,
>>drama, humor), cool plot structure, great acting, the
>beloved
>>dialogue, fascinating characters, good music... and it
>exudes
>>visceral coolness (there's the "hype machine" talking,
>>right?).
>
>The Last Boyscout.
>
>
>>Shit, what's not to like?
>
>The non-story, the dimensionless characters, lotsa
>other things.
>
>