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Mr Mech
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36. "I'll take a crack at defending this 95 to 5% idea...."
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>95% of perceived good acting is a
>result of casting and editing. And, to borrow from the late
>Clarence 13X's percentages, the remaining 5% is that truly
>remarkable type, beyond the credit of the director. That is
>to say you're either Brando or De Niro (or you have / had the
>potential to be) or you're not.

I think everyone here understands the general concept of film editing; the bad usually outweighs the good and the goal of editing is to not only leave in the good, but to leave in the best. Casting works in a similar way, you hire an actor that you think is good for your script and will give you the best ratio of bad to good.

Let's take Reeves' performance in the Matrix as a theoretical example to explain the 95/5 theory; his actual performance isn't an issue because I'm trying to attack this from a director/producer's viewpoint. Meaning, someone who realizes he might have to mask the shortcomings of a mediocre actor.

The Wachowski's wanted a male lead with a somewhat effeminate, somewhat racially ambiguous appearence for their lead; someone with the characteristics they've applied to all the other characters in their script. Already, based on his looks alone, Reeves fits into the Matrix script that is partially built around the lead characters appearence. Because Reeves meshes so well with the other visual elements of the film, he doesn't seem out of place. And because bad acting always seems out of place, being visually appropriate for the film counteracts any bad acting that might occur.

Let's say, hypothetically, that the Wachowski's originally wrote Neo's character with long monologues about extetientialism and postmodernism to demonstrate his knowledge of books and author's such as Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard (a book we see him reading in the film). At the table reading with Reeves, it becomes achingly appearent he won't be able to carry these monologues convincingly and he will seem out of place in the film. So, the script is modified and Neo know plays more of a student's role to Morpheus's teacher. Better yet, lets say they shoot the script verbatim but don't recognize Reeves' poor delivery until they're in the editing room. They make the same decision to play Neo as the student to Morpheus's teacher, but now they have to do it by editing out lines, by deciding what is the best that should be left in. Where before the edit, Reeves proved himself to be a terrible actor, after the edit, Reeves seems like a subdued actor who understands that his character is humbled to Morpheus's knowledge. Basically, in the former he seems out of place and in the latter he is not disruptive to the flow of the film. In this hypothetical, casting and editing elevated Reeves from a poor actor to a competent one; from an actor who takes the audience out of the fantasy to an actor who seems well placed and appropriate to the audience.

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Does Edward Norton still have executive privileges? [View all] , Professor Calculus, Sat Jun-18-05 12:54 PM
 
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Wait
Jun 18th 2005
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Jude Law is one of our finest actors (c) Sean Penn.
Jun 18th 2005
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      Jude Law has given some embarassingly bad performances though
Jun 18th 2005
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      This may be what seperates him from the rest.
Jun 18th 2005
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      Jude Law=Quantity Over Quality
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: Does Edward Norton still have executive privileges?
Jun 18th 2005
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pretty much how i felt
Jun 18th 2005
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      AFKAP, have you seen Mystic River?
Jun 18th 2005
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           RE: AFKAP, have you seen Mystic River?
Jun 18th 2005
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           I thought you were done with this post.
Jun 18th 2005
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                RE: I thought you were done with this post.
Jun 18th 2005
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                     Thanks, but there's an empty career waiting for you though.
Jun 18th 2005
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                          RE: Thanks, but there's an empty career waiting for you though.
Jun 18th 2005
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                               Giving you true arrogant bullshit since 1999, thanks nick.
Jun 18th 2005
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                               RE: Giving you true arrogant bullshit since 1999, thanks nick.
Jun 18th 2005
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                               this dude has been lurking HARD
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    LOL...you've been around PTP long enough to know his steez.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                         just PTP?
Jun 19th 2005
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                                              No...
Jun 19th 2005
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                                                   I mean come on now, the style is a gimme.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                                   I know, right? n/m
Jun 19th 2005
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                                                   you love my style.
Jun 20th 2005
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                                                        It's more fun to keep 'em guessing...
Jun 20th 2005
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                                                   oh I know
Jun 19th 2005
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                               LMAO!!!!
Jun 19th 2005
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                               so funny I posted twice.
Jun 19th 2005
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           this response is idiotic. n/m
Jun 19th 2005
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                How so? I don't agree with some of it, but he can back up his points.
Jun 19th 2005
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                     yeah, sans pacino, they're good examples
Jun 19th 2005
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                          But his heart is in the right place...as I said, I agree with the idea
Jun 19th 2005
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                          Pacino.
Jun 19th 2005
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                               RE: Pacino.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    he's really subdued in Donnie Brasco
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    Add Heat to that list.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    RE: Pacino.
Jun 20th 2005
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                                         Two more points:
Jun 20th 2005
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                                         RE: Two more points:
Jun 22nd 2005
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                                         haha
Jun 20th 2005
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                                              Dog Day Afternoon
Jun 22nd 2005
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wait, I'm not sure I'm getting this
Jun 18th 2005
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no, no, not Norton.
Jun 18th 2005
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I gotcha.
Jun 18th 2005
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what I think he's saying is...
Jun 18th 2005
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not to such an extreme.
Jun 18th 2005
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      I wasn't saying reevaulate the movie itself, just Norton's performance.....
Jun 18th 2005
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Liver punch...
Jun 19th 2005
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Go see Kingdom of Heaven....
Jun 18th 2005
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but it's easier to act behind a mask and do voice work...
Jun 18th 2005
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I'll keep my eyes open.
Jun 18th 2005
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I don't get some of the point you've made because
Jun 18th 2005
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Yes, everyone makes mistakes.
Jun 18th 2005
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      well said
Jun 18th 2005
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At best I thought Norton was pretty good.
Jun 18th 2005
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I'm reluctant to compare today's actors with those from pre-1954
Jun 18th 2005
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Your theory about good acting
Jun 18th 2005
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It's not even my theory though.
Jun 18th 2005
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      RE: It's not even my theory though.
Jun 18th 2005
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I wish I could jump in on this thread
Jun 19th 2005
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if you watch films on the regular (and we know you do...bitch)...
Jun 19th 2005
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maybe i'm missing the point of this thread
Jun 19th 2005
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I thought I made it clear that I was speaking in...
Jun 19th 2005
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I know
Jun 19th 2005
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      okay, I see what you're saying...
Jun 19th 2005
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simple mathematics.
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: I'll take a crack at defending this 95 to 5% idea....
Jun 19th 2005
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      heh, kinda like Russian montage?
Jun 19th 2005
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           Yeah, but with an absurd analogy.
Jun 20th 2005
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When was Ed Norton EVER considered the best actor of his generation?
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: When was Ed Norton EVER considered the best actor of his generation?
Jun 19th 2005
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he was totally awesome in Fight Club dude
Jun 19th 2005
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      espeacially when he throws himself over his desk
Jun 19th 2005
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           see, I think you like this movie a little more day by day
Jun 19th 2005
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It could be that editing gave us bad performances as well
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: It could be that editing gave us bad performances as well
Jun 19th 2005
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he's hit a dry spell, no doubt
Jun 22nd 2005
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but he's writing and directing, no?
Jun 22nd 2005
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      I really liked the book
Jun 22nd 2005
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RE: Does Edward Norton still have executive privileges?
Jun 23rd 2005
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