>>
>>Or even disrespect these people's traditions...
>>
>>
>>But considering none of us live
>>in Ghana and we have
>>an AIDS problem right here
>>in America.....
>>
>>.....and with respect to developing a
>>solution that is adaptable to
>>multiple cultures and people.......
>>
>that u haven't been thru the
>inititation how do u know
>that it DOESN'T do the
>following?

How do you know it does?

Besides, I'm talking about simply equiping children to make intelligent choices as opposed to conditioning them to live a specific lifestyle.


>there are no potential "sexual partners"
>b/c in non-western cultures, that's
>not the way ppl operate.
>not in terms of "sexual
>partners" but in terms of
>life partners.

To my knowledge, that's false.

Furthermore, this is NOT Ghana, it's the US.

It's possile to have positive and healthy relationships with sexual partners and to me, "life partners" sounds cold and functional. But like I said, people should be able to make choices as to how they want to live with respect to "partners" and not be taught to live in only one way.

Married people get STDs all the time.


>please expound on this for me:
>tell me how i would
>recognize a "sexually repressed adult?"

Someone who isn't comfortable with their own sexuality or has yet to really explore/disover it.



>remember traditional rites of passage
>are a little more than
>your sex education class. AND
>if this works for Muslims
>and Hindus (the ones that
>i know) this idea of
>no "partners" but a spouse,
>y can't this work for
>the average joe who wants
>it to work? don't we
>have rites of passage programs?
>couldn't these be used to
>do something similar?

I'm not talking about sex education.

I'm talking about educating people so they can make the right decision, rather then saying "here is a path, follow this path and you'll be alright" the person is being taught to imitate a behavior, not evaluate a decision and make an intelligent choice.

>>
>>When you've known women who've gotten
>>HIV and other SDS from
>>their Husbands, women who "waited"
>>for marriage, but weren't equipped
>>with the information to make
>>intelligent choices about sex....you get
>>jaded.
>
>ok, tell me what "intelligent choice"
>u should make about sex
>when it comes to your
>spouse?

Just because someone got married, doesn't mean they won't cheat and bring something nasty back home. 9 times out of 10, the man/woman whose spouse infects them with something should've suspected something all along.....but refused to believe it because they "were married" "he's a good man" "He/she will be faithful once we're married"

People put too much faith in marriage to protect them from things like STDs an getting hurt.



>>I like the sound Dipo, but
>>it seems to leave out
>>key information (to me) that
>>could bit the child in
>>the ass later on in
>>life...
>
>
>again u can't really know what
>info is being left out
>or included, unless u go
>thru the initiation yourself.

By that logic you can't be a proponent of it, until YOU'VE gone through the initiation yourself and/or have had detailed discussions with someone who has....since you're posting articles....

Why are having this discussion?

In any event, I'm making inferences based on what I do know if they are incorrect, let me know.

In any event, perhaps I should put forth the modifier that my criticism are going to be more applicable to a similar rite initiated in this country.

After all, I have very similar criticisms of right wing christian ideas towards sexual education....where children are taught abstinance and nothing else. The idea is that if the kids are taught abstinance, they will obey and there is nothing to worry about.

The problems start when they do have sex, whether they are married or not......they don't always have problems and I don't think it's wrong for people to wait...but people should have all the neccessary information and be able to make intelligent choices on their own


>>Waiting until you're ready to have
>>sex with the right person,
>>is 10000x more important (IMHO),
>>then merely waiting for marriage
>>to protect the dignity of
>>the family.
>
>who is the "right" person? what
>does that mean exactly? i'm
>sure ppl who have several
>"partners" are ready to have
>sex w/ each "right" person.

The right person simply means someone who can have a positive and healthy sexual experience with, whether it's your fiance, a long time girlfriend or someone who met recently.

As for multiple partners, relationships don't always work out, it's hard to find the right person...regardless of whether or not you wait for sex or thing in terms of life-partners.


Anyway, my basic issue is that I'm not uncomfortable with people teaching children to follow a certain path and a certain path only.......rather then teaching them to make intelligent decisions on their own and advising them when they fail to do so.

Actions with respect to Sex & Marriage are personal choices that people should make for themselves, not be taught to make a specific ones.

I was taught that I should get married once I got my career going/late 20s and be fruitful and multiply. Well I don't like the former, and I'm confounded by the human desire to procreate...

In other words, neither is for me.....and I'm glad that even though my parents "taught" me to make that decision and live that way because they feel it's the best...that they also taught me to make my own decisions regarding how I live..and respect my decisions regardless.



Peace,






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