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28. "not a dangerous argument, but it can be twisted to serve bad purposes"
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it's not that easy to get out of poverty, stats on social mobility in America, home of "The American Dream", are not pretty. If you're born rich, you have a real good chance to stay that way, if you're born poor, you have a much harder chance of getting ahead. You tend to wind up in poorer schools, which means it's tougher to get motivated and tougher to get into a good college, you may not have as much info on other options, or as much info in general. Plus there's the idea of social capital and social networks, i.e. getting a job isn't just about being the most qualified applicant, it's about knowing how to do the interview and knowing somebody at a company even. The only arguments I really don't like is when people seem to imply that poor people don't want to get out of poverty, that they don't know how to spend money, and it's hopeless to try to fight the "culture of poverty". Some of this is stating the obvious, but I don't think it's wrong to argue that social mobility isn't all it's cracked up to be in America and that some things (especially education) need fixing, I think it sucks when that argument is used to say "poor people are hopeless and wouldn't know what to do with more information or money."


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Poverty=Promiscuity? [View all] , jumanji3000, Mon Apr-29-02 01:54 PM
 
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity?
Apr 29th 2002
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity?
Apr 29th 2002
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RE: hmmmmmm
Apr 29th 2002
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isnt it a result of culture first of all?
Apr 30th 2002
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      RE: isnt it a result of culture first of all?
Apr 30th 2002
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           yep, that is how it has been in my family
Apr 30th 2002
13
           RE: isnt it a result of culture first of all?
Apr 30th 2002
26
YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR A MOVIE.....
May 03rd 2002
59
complicated
Apr 29th 2002
4
RE: complicated
Apr 30th 2002
10
information is key
Apr 30th 2002
15
      RE: information is key
Apr 30th 2002
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      In Austin for example
Apr 30th 2002
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      This made me think....
May 02nd 2002
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      RE: information is key
May 02nd 2002
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      RE: not a dangerous argument, but it can be twisted to serve bad purpose...
Apr 30th 2002
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           lemme put it this way
Apr 30th 2002
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                RE: lemme put it this way
May 02nd 2002
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Addictive Sex
Apr 29th 2002
5
generalizing
Apr 29th 2002
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      RE: generalizing
Apr 30th 2002
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      RE: generalizing
Apr 30th 2002
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           RE: generalizing
Apr 30th 2002
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                RE: generalizing
Apr 30th 2002
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                i can understand that
Apr 30th 2002
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                     RE: i can understand that
Apr 30th 2002
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                RE: generalizing
May 01st 2002
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      RE:hmmmmmm
Apr 30th 2002
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      RE:hmmmmmm
Apr 30th 2002
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           RE:hmmmmmm
May 01st 2002
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                RE:hmmmmmm
May 01st 2002
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                     RE:OHHhhh o.k
May 02nd 2002
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                          RE:OHHhhh o.k
May 02nd 2002
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                               RE:OHHhhh o.k
May 02nd 2002
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                                    RE:OHHhhh o.k
May 03rd 2002
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      RE: generalizing
May 03rd 2002
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options and mentality?
Apr 30th 2002
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RE: options and mentality?
Apr 30th 2002
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okay...
May 01st 2002
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      RE: okay...
May 01st 2002
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           well...
May 01st 2002
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not a race thing
May 01st 2002
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      RE: not a race thing
May 01st 2002
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           I hate arguing with you
May 01st 2002
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           RE: not a race thing
May 01st 2002
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HERE YOU GO AGAIN
Apr 30th 2002
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yup
Apr 30th 2002
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      RE: yup
Apr 30th 2002
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           RE: yup
Apr 30th 2002
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           Somehow...
Apr 30th 2002
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                I went back...
Apr 30th 2002
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more of a culture thing...
Apr 30th 2002
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity=Lack of Education and guidance
Apr 30th 2002
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity?
Apr 30th 2002
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity?
Apr 30th 2002
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity?
Apr 30th 2002
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poverty & education
La_Saussice
Apr 30th 2002
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having a baby v. not having it
May 02nd 2002
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RE: having a baby v. not having it
May 02nd 2002
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RE: having a baby v. not having it
May 02nd 2002
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where's your proof...
May 03rd 2002
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity?
May 03rd 2002
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RE: Poverty=Promiscuity?
May 03rd 2002
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