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6. "The Believer"
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This week I am reading the Ahmir Thompson (Questlove) interview in The Believer (http://www.believermag.com/) and some of his comments apply here:

"...nine times out of ten, if there's depression, more social depression than anything, it brings out the best art in black people. The best example is Reagan and Bush gave us the best years of hiphop. I think had Carter and then Mondale won, or if Jessie were President from 84' to '88, hiphop wouldn't have existed. I think you would have more black Tom Waitses. Marsalis would be going double platinum. There would be more Joni Mitchells. The Roots would sell ten million."

What was most interesting to me about the article was Questlove's theory that crack is responsible for hiphop. I agree that crack era brought money into the 'hood, as well as danger, street cred (respect), and a false sense of power. Without crack there would be no hip-hop (as we know it). But hip-hop is just an art form and art is about expression, not necessarily education or awareness or even civic engagement.

In the past, hip-hop has been used as a call for action (Public Enemy) but that was more about the community-at-large, not the art. Art reflects life so if the life changes then so does the art. But something bothers me by John H. McWhorter's assertions:

>They were extremely loud and unruly,
>tossing food at one another and leaving it on the floor.

I see this every Friday night around Boston University. Plenty of "extremely loud and unruly" white kids (mostly middle-to-upper middle class) blast their hard rock music and disturb the relative peace of their environment. These white college students "clearly weren’t monsters, but they seemed to consider themselves exempt from public norms of behavior..."

Cleary McWhorter is expressing his Black fear, not concern for the Black community. This is yet another example of double standards.

>Early rap mostly steered clear of the Sapphires and Studds,
>beginning not as a growl from below but as happy party
>music. The first big rap hit, the Sugar Hill Gang’s 1978
>“Rapper’s Delight,” featured a catchy bass groove that drove
>the music forward, as the jolly rapper celebrated himself as
>a ladies’ man and a great dancer.

Many white folks clearly are more comfortable when Black people are happy, not angry or unruly.

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How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks [View all] , k_orr, Wed Aug-06-03 01:43 AM
 
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we have more fun with stuff like this
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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Old dude's just mad cause
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this seems like fodder for whites
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      this dude is buggin'
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society's influence...
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RE: society's influence...
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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kids
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      RE: kids
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well said
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i don't fully agree
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      RE: i don't fully agree
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           which is why i used the word fully
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Umm.. the same thing can be said
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RE: Umm.. the same thing can be said
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RE: Umm.. the same thing can be said
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who is this assclown. and how can anyone
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black prof @ CA university
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he's one of those
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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Damn......
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he was too scared to confront them?
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yeah right
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you scared too?
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      This foo said
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RE: he was too scared to confront them?
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they're kids being kids
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      well he did what any 'activist' would do
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      kids need adult guidance
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      RE: they're kids being kids
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I don't fuck with these young kids today....
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      seriously
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      hahah@you scared of kids
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           yeah whatever, tough guy
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      gun? what gun?
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           yo these kids in NY today
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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co-sign - im one of 'em
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I listened to PE too
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This guy is a prof?
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this corny one
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      he should stick to linguistics
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Come on, rap music?
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RE: Come on, rap music?
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a good question though:
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keyword though
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hence my question
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      im with you
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      i agree with this
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           what 'revolution'..?
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don't we criticize hip-hop all the time?
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      i've seen some
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           read the Boondocks sometime
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                thanks. maybe i'll try that.
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                     yeah, maybe you should
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                          you're arguing with yourself
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                               more like arguing with a brick wall
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                                    again, that would be with yourself
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                                         yadda yadda yadda
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'You are straight-up whiter than the WHITEST white man!
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please
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ha - that DOES sound like something out of CB4!
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if hip-hop activists
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So Hip-Hop Elevates Blacks?
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the whole topic is ignant
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Just think ...
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and there's something wrong with that?
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      I think music period
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           this speaks to our ignorance.
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                co-sign to the fullest...
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                     He hasn't done any controlled studies
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YOU KNOW WHATS FUNNY!?!?
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I usually like McWhorter's stuff but I wasn't feelin th
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THE REALITY IS...
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RE: THE REALITY IS...
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      RE: THE REALITY IS...
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      RE: THE REALITY IS...
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Cop killer is a HEAVY METAL song
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this is a good article
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RE: this is a good article
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