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53. "RE: we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK"
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>The liberal critique of race argues that racial equality can
>be achieved through reforming white-dominated institutions.
>Accordingly, it appeals to the sympathy of whites, and places
>people of color in a subsidiary role of eliciting sympathy,
>relating their “narratives” (as the PoMo academy has it) and
>petitioning and marching and protesting police brutality every
>fucking year.

I never take part in any protest organized by black folks. The black revolution, is just that, the black revolution. I am fighting for the white revolution. Sorry, your first paragraph fails to identify me. I don't want anything to do with the black revolution. I want to reform white-dominated institutions, for one very simple and clear purpos: To remove oppressive and racist leaders from power. Whatever black folks do there after, is their business. Also, can you please break down this statement for me:

"Accordingly, it appeals to the sympathy of whites, and places
>people of color in a subsidiary role of eliciting sympathy,
>relating their “narratives”"

>
>The radical critique of race argues that white supremacy can
>only be destroyed through revolution, through a massive
>restructuring of American society; through reparations to
>African-American, Native-American and all colonized Third
>World communities by whites who have concentrated wealth from
>their suffering. This necessarily involves resource
>redistribution. If the tax system was restructured, the public
>school and health-care facilities of American’s black and
>brown neighborhoods could be fixed tomorrow. Do we see white
>liberals fighting for this? No, because they're too materially
>invested in the current system to get off their asses and do
>something.

I am fighting for this. I am not a liberal, thus.

>
>If white supremacy is going to be destroyed, the future must
>belong to people of color, and whites such as myself and
>others can play a constructive (but not a central) role in
>this.

I disagree. That is impossible. White supremacy was constructed by the white man, and it can only be deconstructed by the white man. Black folks do not know the power or experience of white privelege, how can they possibly understand how to dismantle it? if black folks decided to dismantle white privelege, what do you think would happen?

In turn, can a white man go into an African country and govern and reform?

No.

We cannot co-opt and paternalistically try to lead
>anti-racist movements.

I do not want to lead any black people, or anti-racist movements. However, I am entitled to my role in it, afterall, I am white, and it was white people that set the prison bars in place. It would be foolish for you and I to think that black people can't help. Black people are more than able to lead themselves. All I want to do is kick a few doors down, share knowledge and experience. I don't want to get involved in the Black Struggle, I am in a White Struggle. I want to make that very clear.

They aren't ours to take, and the focus
>can’t be on us! This is something Bartek needs to learn.

What have I attempted to take? I was accused of being a racist, and I came here to address the sespool of ignorance used to define and label me. You must be mad if you think I will allow myself to be defined so absolutley.

"and the focus can't be on us"

^^^ That is a contradiction. You just said, that we must not get involved in anti racist movements and black peoples movements. So, I am puzzled. If the focus can't be on us as "white people", should it be focused on "black people".

That would imply that we would try to lead black people, exactly what you are saying we cannot do.

Make up your mind.

OFCOURSE THE FOCUS HAS TO BE ON US. White people robbed the earth my friend. How can we, as white people not focus on us? lol

Only white folks can dismantle white supremacy. We know how it works, we know how it operates, and we know how to use it. Black folks, lack the experience, so any information they provide on white supremacy will not be objective truth, becuase, black folks will always be the victim. Do you understand?

If you really want to help, you cannot abandon everything and say, "Okay black folks, you guys can govern us now. It's your turn!" You and I know, that this is 2005, and that will simply not happen, and that is what you are suggesting. Sheer lunacy!

>Narcissism is inculcated in us whites by virtue of
>experiencing ourselves at the political/cultural center from
>day one, and we need to STEP THE FUCK BACK if we are to be
>anything but obstacles in the road to human liberation.
>

^^^ We cannot step the fuck back. What you are suggesting will breed violence. You will not like to be told what to do. So be prepared to live by your words when the time comes.

Peace

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White liberal bigotry [View all] , Pinko_Panther, Sat Dec-03-05 08:20 AM
 
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quick answer: no...
Dec 03rd 2005
1
RE: quick answer: no...
Dec 03rd 2005
2
      get the fuck outta here...
Dec 06th 2005
48
It's a simple answer really
Dec 03rd 2005
3
*dead*
Dec 04th 2005
12
      haha...this is three agreements in one week!
Dec 04th 2005
17
           Three?! WOWZERS!
Dec 04th 2005
18
                ok..maybe two...
Dec 04th 2005
22
Sorry Pinko, but this reads like little more than a cheap stunt
Dec 03rd 2005
4
Kind of agree
Dec 03rd 2005
5
Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
11
      RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
16
           RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
19
                RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
21
iranian = aryan
Dec 03rd 2005
6
YOU IRANIAN CRACKA!!
Dec 03rd 2005
7
RE: YOU IRANIAN CRACKA!!
Dec 04th 2005
15
Yeah, Hitler got a lot of history wrong...
Dec 04th 2005
14
RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 04th 2005
20
      RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 04th 2005
23
           RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 05th 2005
36
                RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 05th 2005
41
RE: White liberal bigotry
Dec 03rd 2005
8
Sigh
Dec 03rd 2005
9
see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
10
Yep
Dec 04th 2005
13
I find it interesting, how you are so certain...
Dec 04th 2005
29
      ???
Dec 04th 2005
30
           RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
37
                RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
42
                     RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
45
                          Cop out
Dec 06th 2005
46
                               RE: Cop out
Dec 06th 2005
47
                                    So the English weren't colonialists?
Dec 06th 2005
49
                                         RE: So the English weren't colonialists?
Dec 06th 2005
51
                                         RE: I read #44
Dec 06th 2005
54
                                              This sounds very familiar
Dec 06th 2005
58
                                                   Ouch...
Dec 06th 2005
59
                                                   RE: Wow...
Dec 07th 2005
86
                                         what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
76
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
78
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
80
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
81
                                                   Ah.
Dec 07th 2005
82
                                                   Wait...
Dec 07th 2005
83
                                                   Me neither
Dec 07th 2005
85
                                                   RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
87
                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
97
                                                   You are missing the point
Dec 09th 2005
102
                                              She likes to assume that all whites are the same...
Dec 07th 2005
95
                                                   Nope
Dec 09th 2005
103
RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
24
      RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
25
      RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
27
           your own words, once again.
Dec 06th 2005
63
                RE: your own words, once again.
Dec 07th 2005
99
                RE: your own words, once again.
Dec 14th 2005
107
      word choice, Tek...
Dec 04th 2005
31
           RE: word choice, Tek...
Dec 05th 2005
35
YEP, I KNEW YOU WERE AN IDIOT!!!
Dec 23rd 2005
113
      Your mom's an idiot...
Dec 23rd 2005
115
           *pats you on the back*....ahhhh, him feelin's hurt
Dec 23rd 2005
116
                Lol, you have some serious mental issues homie...
Dec 23rd 2005
118
.
Dec 04th 2005
26
Pinko, I find it quite funny and revealing that...
Dec 04th 2005
28
Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 04th 2005
32
      RE: Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 05th 2005
33
           RE: Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 05th 2005
34
           that just might be the dumbest arguement I've seen in a while. n/m
Dec 05th 2005
38
                Not to mention the fact that I inboxed him...
Dec 05th 2005
39
                RE: Yet, you fail to provide any substance...
Dec 06th 2005
52
Point of clarification about my southern white woman comment...
Dec 05th 2005
40
shit like this is honestly why white people shouldn't even
Dec 05th 2005
43
we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 05th 2005
44
RE: we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 06th 2005
50
lol
Dec 06th 2005
55
I love how you alternate...
Dec 06th 2005
56
LOL
Dec 06th 2005
57
what disgusts me
Dec 06th 2005
60
      Get yourself more aquianted with the matter...
Dec 06th 2005
61
      RE: Get yourself more aquianted with the matter...
Dec 06th 2005
62
           Telling coloured folks how to conduct themselves racially...
Dec 06th 2005
67
                taking issue with ANYONE stereotyping ANYONE is not bigotry
Dec 06th 2005
71
      If it was a one time thing, we could talk
Dec 06th 2005
66
           Tell me about it!
Dec 06th 2005
69
           ah, well...
Dec 06th 2005
70
           but in no way is he being a bigot. that's what i'm taking issue with.
Dec 06th 2005
72
           ???
Dec 06th 2005
73
                RE: ???
Dec 07th 2005
75
                     RE: ???
Dec 07th 2005
77
                          regardless of how you want to spin it, the title of the post points out
Dec 07th 2005
90
           You failed to address my response to you...
Dec 07th 2005
89
Bawhahahahaha! Ouch! *laughs so hard my cigar fell out of my mouth*
Dec 07th 2005
74
hahahahahahahaha
Dec 07th 2005
79
RE: That's it?
Dec 07th 2005
88
if THAT isn't proof of penis riding, than felacio is a myth
Dec 07th 2005
92
Say WORD.
Dec 23rd 2005
111
      Do y'all talk to your girl the same way you talk to your boys?
Dec 23rd 2005
112
and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 06th 2005
64
      I could kiss you on the mouth(c) Iverson
Dec 06th 2005
68
      RE: and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 07th 2005
91
      RE: and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 07th 2005
94
           See, I may be a racist (I'm not, but for arguments sake)
Dec 07th 2005
96
                RE: Before you talk to me...
Dec 07th 2005
98
yep.
Dec 06th 2005
65
what about liberal heteronormativity?
Dec 07th 2005
84
Would you like to expound?
Dec 07th 2005
93
*wins post 100*
Dec 07th 2005
100
RE: White liberal bigotry
Dec 08th 2005
101
HOLY SHIT!
Dec 13th 2005
104
T.O. is EVIL!
Dec 13th 2005
105
McNabb is SOFT!!!
Dec 13th 2005
106
Ummm
Dec 14th 2005
108
Nettrice, football is here to HELP us. Not HINDER us.
Dec 14th 2005
109
RE: Nettrice, football is here to HELP us. Not HINDER us.
Dec 16th 2005
110
Wow, please explain urself/ur colleague. I've never heard some shit lik...
Dec 23rd 2005
114
100% CO-SIGN! you illustrated my feelings EXACTLY lol.
Dec 23rd 2005
117

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