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82. "can't agree w/ some of this"
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>>Can someone please explain to me
>>why Black people are Christians?
>
>Because they feel the principles of
>the Bible are true and
>contain valuable relevence to thier
>spiritual needs/beleifs.

true...but over time, we have metamorphasized the faith in several ways to do just that. Check the practices of some independent African Christian churches, sects like the AME church and the Shrine of the Black Madonna (is that the right title?)


>>How can you be a
>>religion that murdered and enslaved
>>you?
>
>The religion had nothing to do
>with the murdering or enslaving
>of Africans. People who acted
>in ingnorance were to blame
>for enslaving my ancestors. They
>were not lead by the
>church or protestant movement to
>do what they unjustly did.

They were led by the church. Many many many reverends and church leaders pointed out passages to enforce the ideology and practice of slavery. Yes, there were many who did just the opposite, but you can't say that it didn't come from the mouths of Christian leaders of the time.



>>Christians robbed the Afrikan
>>of her language, of her
>>Gods, of her culture, of
>>her human dignity.
>
>Christianity was not forced on Africans.
>If you remember we were
>brought here as slaves and
>to work. The white man
>could have cared less what
>religion we embraced. They wouldn't
>have forced the Bible on
>them if anything which embraces
>harmony among all people.

Oh they cared. If they didn't, then Africans would have been allowed to beat drums to communicate. They would not have had to hide their Gods behind Catholic saints. They would have learned to write down their religious tenets in the language of the New World. Shit like that. If you've read anything about the "black codes" or any other laws implemented around religious services and gatherings of slaves, then you would know this to be completely untrue. Slaveowners cared what religion they practiced. They cared a great deal.


>>Christianity was
>>forced on the Afrikan by
>>the primitive white race, please
>>explain to me how any
>>person of Afrikan decent can
>>honor this blasphemic religion.
>
>
>Who is Christianity blasphemic to? Have
>you completely dismissed the idea
>that once African were here
>and exposed to Christianity they
>made a chioce to take
>up the religion.

It wasn't always a choice. They were (or at the very least pretended) to be Christian or they were punished.


>Earlier you
>said that they were stripped
>of thier culture and what
>not. While agree with you
>on that you make it
>seem like that because they
>were taken from thier home
>they didn't get a chance
>to find a spirituality that
>was comfortable for them. Isn't
>that what matters most?

yes, that is what matters, but if you look at the history of the Black church in America, there was always something missing from the ideals of "White" (for lack of a better term) Christianity that caused Black folk to form their own centers of worship and cultural expressions within those centers.

maybe u know all this and just didn't express it, but I just had to drop my two cents.

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seriously, why?
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
1
RE: seriously, why?
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
2
      RE: seriously, why?
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
4
it wasn't the religion that enslaved us...
Feb 20th 2001
3
RE: it wasn't the religion that enslaved us...
OHIOplayer
Feb 21st 2001
42
RE: it wasn't the religion that enslaved us...
okayheckler
Feb 23rd 2001
128
Thank You ! n/m
Feb 21st 2001
43
Uuummmm
Feb 20th 2001
5
Thank You! n/m
Feb 21st 2001
44
RE: Uuummmm
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
60
Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
6
RE: Ummmmm.........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
7
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
9
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
11
RE: Ummmmm.........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
18
In truth
Feb 20th 2001
21
RE: In truth
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
56
even
Feb 21st 2001
61
      Just That
Feb 27th 2001
140
the good side of it
Feb 21st 2001
72
      RE: the good side of it
Nice1
Feb 21st 2001
90
your angst
Feb 21st 2001
51
      RE: your angst
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
54
           Your reading
Feb 21st 2001
59
RE: Ummmmm.........
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
20
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
23
I meant
Feb 20th 2001
24
RE: Ummmmm.........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
25
      Nigga, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 20th 2001
26
           RE: Nigga, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
28
                hell yeah
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
29
                No Use
Feb 20th 2001
30
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 21st 2001
63
Christ asn't ethiopian, Falasha my ass n/m
Isa_Sabur
Feb 21st 2001
76
Yes
Feb 20th 2001
12
RE: Yes
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
15
True
Feb 20th 2001
16
RE: True
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
17
      RE: True
Feb 20th 2001
19
RE: Yes
Feb 27th 2001
141
Chill Son
Feb 20th 2001
22
RE: Chill Son
Feb 21st 2001
38
RE: Chill Son
Feb 21st 2001
40
      RE: Chill Son
Feb 21st 2001
49
           Aiight
Feb 21st 2001
57
           RE: Aiight
Feb 21st 2001
68
                Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
69
                     RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
73
                          RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
84
                          RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
92
                               RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
96
                          Please stop it.
Feb 21st 2001
86
                          RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
88
           don't know about the Sudan?
Feb 21st 2001
95
                RE: don't know about the Sudan?
Feb 21st 2001
98
                     You're right...
Feb 21st 2001
100
                     u made my point n/m
Feb 21st 2001
103
                     taking the media out of it
Feb 21st 2001
101
                     RE: don't know about the Sudan?
dabulmike
Feb 21st 2001
107
scattered remarks
Feb 21st 2001
39
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
32
See
Feb 21st 2001
91
just because youve never seen one
Feb 21st 2001
115
Actually, you've proven my point...
Feb 22nd 2001
118
RE: See
isisbabyboy
Feb 23rd 2001
126
RE: Ummmmm.........
Sole Man
Feb 21st 2001
102
I do. It is just as guilty.
Feb 20th 2001
8
      RE: I do. It is just as guilty.
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
10
           RE: I do. It is just as guilty.
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
13
           I disagree
Feb 20th 2001
14
                OH NO!
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
27
                     Oh yeah
Ylana
Feb 20th 2001
31
                     RE: OH NO!
Feb 20th 2001
33
                     RE: OH NO!
Feb 21st 2001
94
Here we go, listen up...
Virgil Thadeus
Feb 21st 2001
34
Say What?
Ylana
Feb 21st 2001
113
      RE: Say What?
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
116
           May I ask...
Ylana
Feb 22nd 2001
119
                RE: May I ask...
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 25th 2001
131
                     right on
Ylana
Feb 25th 2001
132
don't blame the message
Feb 21st 2001
35
and 'the truth' is?
Ylana
Feb 21st 2001
114
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
36
Feb 21st 2001
37
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
50
     
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
53
      Dude
Feb 21st 2001
64
     
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
78
     
Feb 21st 2001
55
          
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
81
Slave
Feb 21st 2001
41
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
47
     
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
48
OHIOplayer
Feb 21st 2001
45
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
52
Are you asking a question or making a statement? n/m
Virgil Thadeus
Feb 21st 2001
46
there's a difference
Feb 21st 2001
58
Question
Feb 21st 2001
62
I 'am a fool
Feb 21st 2001
66
Feb 21st 2001
65
ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
67
      RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
70
           RE: ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
71
           RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
77
                RE: ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
79
                INSANE!!!!!!!
Feb 27th 2001
142
                RE: ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
80
                RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
83
                RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
89
                     RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
93
                          RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
99
           that was fkin ignorant n/m
Feb 21st 2001
97
why do u care?
Feb 21st 2001
74
i ask that everyday n/m
Isa_Sabur
Feb 21st 2001
75
you smell good! n/m
Feb 21st 2001
87
Do you want the TRUTH?
Feb 21st 2001
85
G.O.D. (Gaining One's Definition)
Feb 21st 2001
104
go 'head n/m
Feb 21st 2001
105
RE: G.O.D. (Gaining One's Definition)
Feb 21st 2001
110
      hmm...
Feb 26th 2001
138
           RE: hmm...
Feb 26th 2001
139
dabulmike
Feb 21st 2001
106
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
108
maybe...
Feb 21st 2001
109
      Okayplayers are ignorant
Feb 21st 2001
111
           RE: Okayplayers are ignorant
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
112
           That statement is ignorant
Feb 22nd 2001
117
                God life in expression...
Feb 22nd 2001
120
                     RE: God life in expression...
Feb 23rd 2001
122
           the funny thing
Feb 23rd 2001
121
                Ignorance...
Feb 23rd 2001
123
                     no doubt
Feb 23rd 2001
124
                          FYI
Feb 23rd 2001
125
okayheckler
Feb 23rd 2001
127
True in a since, but
Feb 24th 2001
129
unlent
Feb 24th 2001
130
sinless
Feb 25th 2001
133
     
Dyskotek
Feb 26th 2001
134
the problem w/ the ?
Feb 26th 2001
135
ya know somtehing?
Wise_7
Feb 26th 2001
136
      well...
Feb 26th 2001
137

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