>Is what your rebuttal was to
>the orginal posting.
sure it was...

>It is your experience that you
>wouldn't "choose" being gay because
>you wouldn't want to get
>beat up, ostracized, etc. But
>that is YOUR view.
no..try again ok? no it is NOT my experience on choosing to be gay or not..i said i didn't CHOOSE to have A LOT of what i mentioned inmy post happen to me NOR would i want ti to happen to anyone else.

>Just as, when I was coming
>out, I was surrounded by
>white gay people, when you
>came out, you had a
>community of Black gay people
>to bring you into queerness.
sure did..and i can count A LOT of othe rpeople of color who helped bring me into "queerness" as you put it...nothing wrong with that. i just wish youd stop automatically assuming that the experiences you had speak for ALL OF US..when they OBVIOUSLY DO NOT...

>
>Neither one of our stories are
>that unique and I am
>sure we could find enough
>people to vouch for either
>one. However, I think you
>are generalizing whenever you start
>in with this pity tip
>of why would I want
>to be gay and suffer
>all of these indignities because
>I never saw being gay
>as unnatural.
no pity tip..i just said what was on my mind...pity? maybe you should figure out WHERE you got that one from, Quentin. cause i was NOT thinking that i should pity you in that particular part of my post...

Never understood it
>as bad, I understood being
>called out my name as
>bad, but when you are
>5 years old, being called
>a punk or 7 being
>called a faggot, the words
>tend to reflect gender, not
>sexuality.
you sure cause i dont remember any GIRLS being called faggots. sorry, but faggot has ALWAYS reflected sexuality for as long as i can remember. but, fuck it, im wrong im sure (insertsarcasminconhere)

And when I started
>to develop sexual feelings, why,
>they had no name at
>all. I didn't chastize myself
>for looking wherever my eyes
>wondered. Sex is natural whether
>with male or female and
>I never had any reason
>to think differently.
i didn't do that either..sorry you thought otherwise.

>And although I was "whitewashed", I
>don't continue to be. However,
>when you start that tip,
>you sound like every gay
>white person I have ever
>come across.
Nope once again stop assuming you're so sure of what im saying. i said whitewashed cause that's what was on my mind plain and simple...just like you sound like every annoying gay man i've come across who seek to somehow find some kind of commonality in their experiences with white gay men and gay men of color who cam about their "queerness" around other men who LOOKED LIKE THEM...but im just talking off the side of my neck, right Q?

Of course, you'll
>use that to "cement" the
>validity of your claim, but
>it always seemed an assimulation
>technique and I am not
>into those.
No technique, just me saying what's on my mind. i am allowed to do that here, right?

Be aware, my
>"whitewashing" only lasted a year
>and I was a renegade
>by 19 because I refused
>to go along with them
>when I started to see
>through.
good for you, Q....let's celebrate your introduction to the TRUTH.ok?

I have been a
>renegade longer than I have
>been "whitewashed" and if I
>were you, I would be
>careful about pointing fingers and
>looking askance because there are
>other ways to swallow their
>rhetoric other than actively sitting
>in that circle. Watching _Will
>and Grace_ most of their
>movies, most of their books,
>you come across it and
>you become acculturated.
BULLSHIT! ill point my fingers whereever i choose...swallowing their rhetoric? i think not Q..try again. first off, i dont see any alternative agenda in watching Will And Grace. the show IS funny..ill give them that. but it is WRITTEN for str8 folk anyways...so i already KNOW i wont find any acculturation there. most of their movies/most oftheir books---most of their movies suck (since they all fit intothe arena of mainstream entertainment) and most of their books I dont read cause they do NOT reflect me or other men of color in any KIND of positive light. but you're right..I AM accultured--by things that are NOT WHITE....but what would you know? you like QUEER AS FOLK--a damn show that has NOTHING but white people on the show fetishizing so many aspects of mainstream gay culture that YOU are so sure i am being accultured of. once again, i dont watch QUEER AS FOLK..YOU DO. look at yourself beforeyou look at me or others, please?

>But my deeper point, is that
>I will not have you
>telling a bunch of str8
>people how to receive all
>queer sexualities because that isn't
>right. Offer your experience, but
>fight for a greater understanding.
how do you feel im telling str8 people that? on this fucking site? get a grip, Q..really GET ONE. you will ALWAYS get realness and honesty fromme on this subject..my post is jus tthat..MY POST. you've spoken tome enough on the phone toknow otherwise..but, maybe you dont.

>
>I know some people don't feel
>that they choose his or
>her sexuality. There are str8
>folks on this post that
>attest to that themselves. However,
>if you are going to
>come from a place of
>negativity, come from one that
>is positive as well --
>please. We aren't living in
>the 50's anymore and our
>lives as queer folk is
>so much different than those
>who came before us. For
>example, when I estranged and
>was estranged from my family,
>I made another family that
>wasn't of my blood, a
>family I am still connected
>with and they took much
>of my pain away as
>well as helped to mold
>me into a better person.
good for you...

>I met people who saw
>me in ways that my
>family couldn't and helped to
>shape me according to my
>own heart, soul, intelligence and
>talent. People who let me
>stay with them when I
>was homeless, who looked out
>for me when I was
>spinning out of control, who
>held my hand when I
>was cold, who were my
>mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters.
>It ain't all doom and
>gloom. Ain't all slings and
>arrows. There is beauty and
>grace in it, too.
who said it was? different strokes for different folks, Q you and i have very DIFFERENT experiences...so what? stop assuming mine was somehow negative bsaedon what i say here and the simple fact that you dont seem to be comprehending MY SPACES IN LIFE very well..

>And as for me, I did
>choose. And there are people
>who back me, too. The
>post-gay movement, the original one,
>is one that, when I
>read about it, made me
>feel at home because it
>gave credence to the women
>I sought, loved, and lusted
>over (oh, and sexed). It
>was a concious decision. I
>needed to know. And so
>I set out to find
>out which meant opening myself
>as wide as I could
>and not allowing gender to
>be a bar because it
>wasn't really a bar, just
>the gay community was telling
>me that it was supposed
>to be.
ehh...agreed with reservations.

>At the age of 22, I
>made a choice. I met
>a girl I had a
>crush on and we kicked
>it. But something was missing,
>and no, it wasn't a
>penis. It was an inability,
>on my behalf, the same
>one I kept running into,
>the inability to really open
>up. The same inability that
>made the women that compose
>my family miserable with the
>men in their lives (until
>recently, they are finding the
>right ones!!) and they raised
>me not to be like
>that. Then I talked to
>a bisexual friend of mine,
>who, while dissing trendy bi
>people, said, "Sex is easy.
>Relationships are hard." So I
>made a decision and I
>stuck with it.
>
>I _could_ continue to have sex
>with women. I could have
>a sexual relationship with a
>woman. But the things I
>look for in a relationship,
>the things I think everyone
>looks for in a relationship
>with another soul, the veil
>pulled aside, the self shown
>full, naked, and beautifully human,
>I can't do that. Yet,
>I can do that with
>men and I like having
>sex with men, too and
>I can have a sexual
>relationship with a man and
>draw that veil aside.
>
>I chose. I had that freedom
>to do so. And I
>did. No one dictated my
>sexuality for me, I did
>it for myself. And being
>that it is my choice,
>I don't decry anyone's stupidity,
>a safe world was not
>promised me, I was promised
>a world where I would
>have to fight and struggle
>and have one person wherein
>the outside world did not
>matter.
okay..what's good foryou aint good for me or anyoneelse. you can have THIS too...
RC

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