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guilt n 1: the state of having committed an offense 2: remorse cause by feeling responsible for some offence conscience, guilt feelings, guilt trip]

Maya Angelou was once quoted that Black people still have moral authority (magazine article) and I wondered what that meant. I assumed it had a lot to do with what some older Black adults talked about at home and in the community about "white" people. My grandmother and father used to come home work livid about some "white" person who patronized them out of their guilt. I asked my Pops what they were guilty of and he said guilty of a higher status because of their race (priviledge) of keeping Black people down. Priviledge seemed to be something white people should be ashamed of.

When I was little, growing up down south, I learned that Black folks had a place in the social scheme. As long as we stayed in our place then the white folks (in power) would leave us alone. This was something we kept secret from white people. I learned that white priviledge was offensive to many Black people and later I learned about the "white man's burden". This burden had to do with fighting to maintain the status quo and the psychological effects of it...one effect was guilt.

"White guilt" refers to the guilt that whites, particularly white liberals, feel about the West domination and oppression of people of color (supremacy). "Proponents of white guilt explain that while whites may not necessarily be racist on an individual level, they live in a racist society that automatically grants them certain advantages at the expense of other people."

"A number of whites have questioned whether they should feel guilty about racial discrimination solely because of their skin color. They note that not only should they as individuals not be blamed for racism but that even as a group, many whites are not that much better off than their black brethren...some whites' repudiation of white guilt comes off as awkward, defensive, and overly dramatic. For example, French-Canadian journalist
Donna Laframboise makes the point that minorities can be racist, which is undoubtedly true. The examples she uses to illustrate her
statement, though, are less than convincing. She describes a visit to Japan and Korea, for instance, during which the locals, considering her something of a novelty, stared at her, touched her skin and hair, and asked to take her picture. As uncomfortable as these experiences may have made her feel, they can't be equated with being called a racist name by the occupants of a passing car or being denied a job or promotion on account of one's skin color.

It's also worth mentioning that much of the racism exhibited by non-white groups is directed not at whites but at other minorities." (http://www.webcom.com/intvoice/emily7.html)

Listening to my elders I used to feel that they were somehow comforted by the fact that white people were somehow in the wrong just by condoning the actions of those in power and helping to maintain the status quo. As long as Black people and other people of color are on the other end of the stick it seems right for them to exempt themselves from the actions of the priviledged (moral authority). I am reminded of this when I read the threads from this past week on fear and guilt.

This so-called exemption from the affair of those is power is an illusion, just as the position of white priviledge is an illusion. This illusions are slowly falling apart but until they are totoally gone we will continue to play this game.

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"Everyone seems to have a clear idea of how other people should lead their lives, but none about his or her own"
--Paulo Coelho, "The Alchemist"

"Know thyself"

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you". So we may boldly say, "The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
-- Hebrews 13:5,6

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
--Morpheus in "The Matrix" (and a Buddhist philosophy)

"It's our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities"- Dumbledore to Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets"

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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White Guilt Sucks [View all] , Solarus, Thu Oct-11-01 08:06 PM
 
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RE: White Guilt Sucks
Oct 11th 2001
1
Late Nights
Oct 12th 2001
2
      damn I only made 1 post
Oct 12th 2001
3
      RE: Late Nights
Oct 12th 2001
7
Please Explain
Oct 12th 2001
4
RACIST!!!!
Oct 12th 2001
5
      Why don't you go to Egypt,
kvibe23
Oct 12th 2001
6
      RE: RACIST!!!!
Oct 12th 2001
8
      LOL!!!
Oct 12th 2001
13
      Why am I stupid?
kvibe23
Oct 13th 2001
50
           RE: Why am I stupid?
Oct 15th 2001
74
           Ooops
Oct 15th 2001
75
      SOLARUS, you monkey
Oct 12th 2001
15
           Awwww
Oct 12th 2001
25
           RE: Awwww
Oct 12th 2001
32
                RE: Awwww
Oct 12th 2001
34
                     RE: Awwww
Oct 13th 2001
36
                          RE: Awwww
Oct 13th 2001
37
                               RE: Awwww
Oct 13th 2001
45
                                    RE: Awwww
Oct 14th 2001
65
           RE: SOLARUS, you monkey
Oct 12th 2001
28
*grins and blushes at the same time*
Oct 12th 2001
9
ME TOO!!!! BBBBBWWWWWAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
ThaPoorProphet
Oct 17th 2001
115
i apologized for slavery
Oct 12th 2001
10
RE: i apologized for slavery
Oct 12th 2001
12
      RE: i apologized for slavery
Oct 12th 2001
19
      if u think
Oct 12th 2001
20
           OH FUCK!!!!
Oct 12th 2001
29
           RE: if u think
Oct 15th 2001
69
                take some time
Oct 15th 2001
71
                RE: take some time
Oct 15th 2001
73
                RE: if u think
Oct 16th 2001
96
      RE: i apologized for slavery
masani
Oct 12th 2001
26
I find
Oct 12th 2001
11
Why bother respond?
Oct 12th 2001
16
      Entertainment, mostly.
Oct 12th 2001
21
      We seem to view these boards differently.
Oct 12th 2001
22
           No, just asking.
Oct 12th 2001
24
*sigh*
Oct 12th 2001
14
Guilt sucks period
Oct 12th 2001
17
RE: Guilt sucks period
blugrly
Oct 12th 2001
18
RE: Guilt sucks period : But let's be honest, cuz this ish ain't univers...
Oct 12th 2001
30
      Read
Oct 12th 2001
35
           Black thought
Oct 13th 2001
39
           RE: Read
bboy218
Oct 13th 2001
40
           word (OT)
Oct 13th 2001
41
           hip hop is
Oct 13th 2001
47
           give malaysia some credit
Oct 13th 2001
52
           RE: Read
Oct 13th 2001
55
                RE: Read
bboy218
Oct 14th 2001
60
                     also
bboy218
Oct 14th 2001
61
                     RE: Read
Oct 14th 2001
62
                          broken down
Oct 17th 2001
104
                               RE: broken down
Oct 17th 2001
106
                                    very clear
Oct 17th 2001
109
                                         RE: very clear
Oct 17th 2001
111
                                         RE: very clear
Oct 17th 2001
113
                                              RE: very clear
Oct 18th 2001
119
                                                   RE: very clear
Oct 18th 2001
121
                                                        RE: very clear
Oct 18th 2001
125
                                                             RE: very clear
Oct 18th 2001
127
                                                                  RE: very clear
Oct 19th 2001
136
                                         RE: very clear
Oct 17th 2001
112
           RE: Read
Oct 15th 2001
70
                RE: Read
Oct 15th 2001
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                     RE: Read
Oct 15th 2001
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                          RE: Read
Oct 15th 2001
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                               ***sigh****
Oct 15th 2001
79
                                    But what if
Oct 15th 2001
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                                         RE: But what if
Oct 15th 2001
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                                              whos killing who?
bboy218
Oct 15th 2001
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                                              Relax
Oct 15th 2001
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                                                   RE: Relax
bboy218
Oct 15th 2001
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                                                        RE: Relax
Oct 16th 2001
85
                                                        Quitter :)
Oct 16th 2001
87
                                                        RE: Quitter :)
Oct 17th 2001
101
                                                             RE: Quitter :)
Oct 17th 2001
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                                                                  RE: Quitter :)
Oct 17th 2001
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                                                                       RE: Quitter :)
Oct 17th 2001
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                                                                       RE: Quitter :)
Oct 17th 2001
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                                                                       RE: Quitter :)
Oct 18th 2001
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                                                                       RE: Quitter :)
Oct 18th 2001
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                                                        RE: Relax
Oct 16th 2001
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                                                             RE: Relax
Oct 17th 2001
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                                                        RE: Relax
Oct 16th 2001
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                                                             RE: Relax
bboy218
Oct 16th 2001
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                                                                  RE: Relax
Oct 16th 2001
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                                                                       RE: Relax
bboy218
Oct 17th 2001
117
                                                                            Oh 2 b white!
Oct 18th 2001
120
                                                                                 ending
bboy218
Oct 18th 2001
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                                                                                 RE: ending
Oct 18th 2001
133
                                              Killing?
Oct 16th 2001
89
                                                   RE: Killing?
Oct 16th 2001
93
tripple *sigh*
some_jerk
Oct 18th 2001
126
Solarus....say it again.....
Oct 12th 2001
23
RE: White Guilt Sucks
Oct 12th 2001
27
LOL
Oct 12th 2001
31
      RE: LOL
Oct 12th 2001
33
*muzikfiend nods his head in agreement*
Oct 13th 2001
42
RE: *muzikfiend nods his head in agreement*
Oct 13th 2001
43
      Cued you missed it
Oct 13th 2001
44
           The definiton of white
Oct 13th 2001
46
           out of touch = wasted typing
d-Best
Oct 13th 2001
48
           So if its not revelant to times
Oct 13th 2001
49
                calm your ass down
d-Best
Oct 13th 2001
51
                calm my ass down too
d-Best
Oct 13th 2001
53
                Yes suh
Oct 13th 2001
54
                RE: calm your ass down
Oct 13th 2001
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                *muzikfiend grins*
Oct 13th 2001
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                     RE: *muzikfiend grins*
Oct 13th 2001
58
                          i know right.
Oct 14th 2001
59
                No D best do not misunderstand
Oct 16th 2001
98
                DO BETTER!!!
Oct 15th 2001
68
                     Solarus you kept saying
Oct 16th 2001
97
                          Break It Down
Oct 16th 2001
99
                               RE: Break It Down
Oct 17th 2001
103
                                    MAybe YOU were
Oct 17th 2001
105
           Hey! Slavery
Oct 14th 2001
64
                Not just the definition...
Oct 14th 2001
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                cosine er, ...sign
Oct 14th 2001
67
                slavery is not absolutely right/wrong
Oct 16th 2001
90
                     Some info
Oct 16th 2001
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                     RE: Some info
Oct 18th 2001
129
                          also, from the link you provided.
Oct 18th 2001
130
                          Expand
Oct 18th 2001
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                               RE: Expand
Oct 19th 2001
135
                     RE: slavery is not absolutely right/wrong
Oct 16th 2001
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           jefflee
Oct 14th 2001
63
                Feudalism in Afrika !?
Oct 15th 2001
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100
Oct 16th 2001
100
Blind assumptions...
Oct 17th 2001
108
IDIOTS!!
Oct 18th 2001
123
      :D
Oct 18th 2001
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           RE: :D
Oct 18th 2001
128
                RE: :D
Oct 18th 2001
134
                     RE: :D
Oct 19th 2001
137

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