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Humzaki
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81. "RE: Was all that necessary?"
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Few points:
>-I never said Yoruba was the sole influence on the evolution of capoeira.

Could have sworn you did, but I don't feel like going through these threads just to prove where you did. It is fruitless.

>-Yoruba is the name of a group of people in the land now called Nigeria. It refers to a culture whose people have many religious practices.

Exactly. Okay he sees the light. And guess what? One of the culture's religions was Islam.

>-The people of Yoruba CAN practice many faiths as the cultural and indigenous religious philosophies are very exclusive.

I am glad you gave them permission. Cause for a while there I thought you never would.

>-I never said non-Afrikans, non-Nigerians, non-Brazilians, kwk. could not practice capoeira and for that matter any person practicing any martial system >foreign to their cultural.

>- I said simply that Islam, Judaism and Christianity have specific elements (rules) that teach against specific elements in various combative systems. >THEREFORE practicing a said combative system could potentially be going against the doctrine's teachings. It seems other muslims agreed with me on this >and in fact since you mentioned Sudan, the traditional wrestling of the Nuba people has been banned by the primarily Islamic government. Hmmmm...

Okay no that is not ALL you said. What you said was that for a muslim to practice capoeira was haram. When I told that no according to Islam it is not and the possibility of it breaking our "doctrine's teachings" you went to try to prove how it was with you minute knowledge of Islam. Let me explain to you that for one to make a statement that such and such is haram or such and such is halal is called a fatwa, a ruling. You do not have such authority to do so.

Next, I don't think you understand that the shari'a (divine law)is not established ANYWHERE on this planet called earth. The last caliph died with the end of the Ottoman empire. There isn't a nation that follows Islamic law to the letter the way it is clearly outlined and should be followed. So in referance to your example with the wrestling I think you need to examine the reasons behind the ban.

As far as christianity and judaism I don't have a clue as to what their laws are.
So as far as Islam is concerned: Please explain what "specific elements" in Islam you are refering to that goes against "specific elements in various combative systems?"
Like what?

Peace
H


  

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Religious Justifications [View all] , Solarus, Wed Jun-26-02 03:49 AM
 
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he said "mc dojos"
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I don't know that
Jun 26th 2002
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Not saying that
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      I really don't see how
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           Only true way to learn
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           RE: Only true way to learn
Jun 27th 2002
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                We are talking about
Jun 28th 2002
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                     RE: We are talking about
Jun 28th 2002
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                          No YOU are funny!
Jun 28th 2002
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                               Thank you
Jun 28th 2002
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                                    Points of agreement
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                                         RE: Points of agreement
Jul 02nd 2002
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                                              RE: Points of agreement
Jul 11th 2002
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                                              RE: Points of agreement
Jul 11th 2002
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                                                   silly post
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                                                        RE: silly post
Jul 12th 2002
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                                                             another silly post
Jul 13th 2002
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                                              Aye Ya Yay!
Jul 12th 2002
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                                                   RE: Aye Ya Yay!
Jul 12th 2002
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                                                        You said
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                                                             RE: You said
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                                                                  And after that
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                                                                  ?
Jul 17th 2002
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                                                                  Was all that necessary?
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                                                                       RE: Was all that necessary?
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                                                                            RE: Was all that necessary?
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           Oh yeah
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                RE: Oh yeah
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                     Enslaved Afrikans
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                          RE: Enslaved Afrikans
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                               !
Jun 28th 2002
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in order to survive one must adapt...
Jun 26th 2002
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rhetorical ethic
Jun 26th 2002
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i'm not ALLOWED back
Jun 26th 2002
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I don't know enough about
Jun 26th 2002
7
      re-read
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      I will read it .
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           *shoots self in the head*
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                Check this out...
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                what does this have to do with chi?
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                     You go too far
Jun 26th 2002
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                          huh?
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                               RE: huh?
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                                    that's like me saying...
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                                         Well maybe you missed
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                                              key point:
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                                                   I feel you
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                RE: *shoots self in the head*
Jun 26th 2002
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      Tao inclusive/Big 3 Exclusive
Jun 26th 2002
11
I don't see this
Jun 27th 2002
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actually
Jun 28th 2002
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namastay
Jun 26th 2002
9
word!
Jun 26th 2002
10
have u ever
Jun 26th 2002
15
      nope. never will...
Jun 26th 2002
18
      $30 a tape
Jun 26th 2002
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      i have some
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I forgot all about yoga
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      yoga vegans
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Some comments and a try
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RE: Some comments and a try
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which is exactly why
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those martial arts...................
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      why did you post this?
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           the answer is in post #33
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islamic q & a on karate
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RE: Religious Justifications
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.....
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Thanks to
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no prob
Jun 27th 2002
53
To all Big 3'ers
Jun 27th 2002
39
What about east african disciplines?
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ok
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what martial arts specifically?
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      RE: what martial arts specifically?
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           !
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                well
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RE: Religious Justifications
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No justification needed for: 52 blocks.
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RE: Religious Justifications
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RE: Religious Justifications
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