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if you believe that God is omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, and all of that other stuff, then you basically believe that God knows everything, can do anything, and basically exists in all points of time at the same time. So in a sense, the universe is like a book that God has already put together up in his/her/it's head. If so, our linear existance is kinda like the book being written down on paper. So, if everything has already been put together in God's head because he/she/it already knows everything that is going to happen because he/she/it already thought it up, then I would say, that no, we do not have free will. Because if God already knows what I am going to do, then I can not necessarily do anything that God doesn't already expect to happen, to surprise God with an action that he/she/it doesn't already see will in essence prove that God doesn't know eveything. And if God exists in all points of time at the same time, then God is either interfering at all times or not interfering at all, because everything that has ever happened and everything that is going to happen is being seen by God at the same exact moment. If God didn't see all of this being played out at at the same exact moment, then God wouldn't necessarily know exactly what was going to take place because he/she/it woudn't be omnipresent, if he/she/it isn't already there in the future whnfuture events are taking place. So to say we have free will is to say that we as characters in God's book can do something that is beyond hisher/it's grasp to create or control, which would prove that this isn't God's book because he/she/it isn't writing it alone. An if he/she/it isn't writing it alone, then this omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God doesn't exist. Well, that's one theory.

"Stop the prayers... hit the snooze... go next week...
...hell, dont' even go at all.
If God is everywhere, why should we even go to church if he's sittin' right next to you on the couch?
Who even knows if there is a God anyway.
The church is nothing but a farce... a way to judge you.
You have to take control of your own life... YOU are your only judge.
Save yourself the headache... do something valuable with your time.
And if there is a God... he'll forgive you.
Hey, I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know."-Sean O'Haire
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"Stop the prayers... hit the snooze... go next week...
...hell, dont' even go at all.
If God is everywhere, why should we even go to church if he's sittin' right next to you on the couch?
Who even knows if there is a God anyway.
The church is nothing but a farce... a way to judge you.
You have to take control of your own life... YOU are your only judge.
Save yourself the headache... do something valuable with your time.
And if there is a God... he'll forgive you.
Hey, I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know."-Sean O'Haire

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By Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson
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Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience... [View all] , McDeezNuts, Tue Apr-01-03 06:18 AM
 
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where are you getting these premises from?
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I just made them up, it's not for an essay or anything.
Apr 01st 2003
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      question things?
Apr 01st 2003
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           Questioning is necessary for true faith and belief
Apr 01st 2003
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           you're setting up parameters again.
Apr 01st 2003
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           RE: you're setting up parameters again.
Apr 01st 2003
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                LOL. dude. you're doing it again.
Apr 01st 2003
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                     RE: LOL. dude. you're doing it again.
Apr 01st 2003
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                     perhaps he "believed" in God.
Apr 01st 2003
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                     LOL. I see what you're saying. But...
Apr 01st 2003
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                          look.
Apr 01st 2003
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           oh yeah.
Apr 01st 2003
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                I definitely see what you're saying.
Apr 01st 2003
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                     if i were you...
Apr 01st 2003
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                          Cool, thanks.
Apr 01st 2003
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           i don't agree w/ that either.
Apr 03rd 2003
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Free Will vs Freedom
Apr 01st 2003
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all are true
Apr 01st 2003
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RE: all are true
Apr 01st 2003
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      god doesn't hope
Apr 01st 2003
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      example of one that is carnal minded
Apr 01st 2003
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           how else will you know God?
Apr 01st 2003
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                RE: how else will you know God?
Apr 01st 2003
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                     huh?
Apr 01st 2003
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      that's always been my conundrum...
Apr 01st 2003
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           angels are different from men...
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           RE: that's always been my conundrum...
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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      RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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      exactly
Apr 07th 2003
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      RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
Apr 02nd 2003
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God predestines all. Man has no freewill.
Apr 01st 2003
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here is some biblical support:
Apr 01st 2003
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RE: here is some biblical support:
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      please be mindful of
Apr 02nd 2003
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cool
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RE: cool
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      .
Apr 02nd 2003
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           Is Evil really Evil?.....
Apr 02nd 2003
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                RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
Apr 02nd 2003
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                RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
Apr 03rd 2003
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                     RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                          RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
Apr 04th 2003
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                               YEAH!!!
Apr 04th 2003
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                                    RE: YEAH!!!
Apr 04th 2003
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                RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                     RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                          RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                               RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                    RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                    RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                    RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                         RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                              RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                                   RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                                        RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                                             RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                                                  RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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                                                                       RE: Is Evil really Evil?.....
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How did you utilize the "Hebrew" words like that in you
Apr 02nd 2003
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In Yoruba...
Apr 02nd 2003
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that's the closest to what i've believed
Apr 03rd 2003
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      i know huh?
Apr 03rd 2003
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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      RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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      I use the word...
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      RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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linearity/constancy of time
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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      NO! Damn, closed minded a bit, are we?
Apr 03rd 2003
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           RE: NO! Damn, closed minded a bit, are we?
Apr 03rd 2003
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                Didn't mean to jump to conclusions...
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                     Question
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                          RE: Question
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                               RE: Question
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other important scriptures/predestination
Apr 03rd 2003
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i'll read the replies, but my 1st inclination
Apr 03rd 2003
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Hey I didnt read the whole thread but......
Apr 03rd 2003
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      The Best Response Thus Far
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      RE: The Best Response Thus Far
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           RE: The Best Response Thus Far
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                ...
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                     completely within the topic.......minus the big 3 view
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                          RE: completely within the topic.......minus the big 3 v
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                               RE: completely within the topic.......minus the big 3 v
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      this is important
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           RE: this is important
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No answer but,
Apr 03rd 2003
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God is omniscient NOT omnipotent...
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RE: God is omniscient NOT omnipotent...
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
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God body..
Apr 05th 2003
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The Universe is my Body, BUT
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      RE: The Universe is my Body, BUT
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There is no spoon
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More on this
Apr 06th 2003
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My perspective on free will...
Apr 06th 2003
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RE: Free will vs predestination, God's omniscience...
Apr 06th 2003
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participate if you want to...
Apr 07th 2003
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actually, this was the disclaimer
Apr 07th 2003
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this is good discussion material...
Apr 07th 2003
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RE: this is good discussion material...
Apr 07th 2003
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well...
Apr 07th 2003
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      RE: well...
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RE: this is good discussion material...
Apr 07th 2003
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saleh's 2 cents
Apr 08th 2003
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Archive please
Apr 10th 2003
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