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"Chill with the #BronCurve, if he's good enough he'll get 6, #RingsMatter..."
Wed May-27-15 03:19 PM by ThaTruth

          

Ok I see I need to have a little come to Jesus talk with some folks around here.

Let's start off with a little history lesson...

Let's go for a ride OKS. Come with good ol' Uncle Truth as we take a trip down to West Monroe, Louisiana. There in 1934 Charles and Katie Russell had a son and named him William Felton Russell. The younger Russell, who would later be known as Bill, grew up to become a great basketball player winning 11 NBA championships and a was awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom, the only NBA player to ever receive that award.

A couple of years later in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, William Chamberlain and Olivia Ruth Johnson had a son and named him Wilton Norman Chamberlain. "Wilt", as he was called, grew up to become an outstanding basketball player as well and set statistical records that had never been achieved before and haven't been matched since.

However, as great as Chamberlain was individually, he only won 2 NBA titles in 5 trips to the Finals and Russell was considered to be the better winner and better player by most accounts. #RingsMatter

Then there would be another great player to come along by the name of Julius Winfield Erving II from Long Island, New York. His high-flying, slam-dunking style would take the game to a new level. Additionally Erving was also an oustanding defender, rebounder, passer and ballhandler at the forward position.

Erving went to the NBA Finals 4 times in 7 years but only won title. In 4 of those seasons in the Eastern Conference Finals Erving faced the Boston Celtics led by Larry Joe Bird from French Lick, Indiana and they split those series 2-2. During that same time-frame Bird went on to win 3 championships and is almost universally considered to be the superior player even though for anyone that actually watched them play it was nowhere near that clear cut. #RingsMatter

Once Bird got past Erving in the Eastern conference he had another nemesis usually waiting for him, a fella named Ervin Johnson Jr. from Lansing, Michigan. They called him Magic. Bird and Magic played each other in the Finals 3 times in 4 years and Magic's Lakers won 2 of the 3. Overall Magic won 5 titles in 9 trips to the Finals and despite Larry Bird's greatness winning league MVP for 3 consecutive seasons(the last player to do so) Larry only won 3 titles in 5 Finals appearances so in the NBA hierarchy most people have Magic ranked higher. #RingsMatter
(sidenote: I've never heard anyone discount Magic or Larry's titles when they didn't win Finals MVP)

And then He came. To James Jordan Sr. and his wife Deloris and child was born in Brroklyn, New York. They named him Michael Jeffrey Jordan and wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger. Michael would grow up to be a great basketball player as well. Michael's dominance in the NBA was evident from day one but some said while he was a great individual player he would never win a title. Jordan would eventually silence those critics and win 6 titles in six trips to the Finals and be considered as the Greatest of All-Time. #RingsMatter

And I could go on...

Why is Olajuwon considered head and shoulders over contemporaries like Robinson and Ewing? #RingsMatter

Why is Duncan universally considered the greatest power forward of all time over people like 2nd all-time leading scorer Karl Malone and Charles Barkley? #RingsMatter

Why is Isiah Thomas considered better than all-time assists and steals leader John Stockton? #RingsMatter

Why is 2-time league MVP Steve Nash considered inferior to those two who never won MVP? #RingsMatter

Now we have our current hero. On December 30, 1984 in Akron, Ohio a 16-year-old Gloria Marie James gave birth to a bouncing baby boy and named him Lebron Raymone James.

"King James" as he is know IS the greatest basketball player in the world RIGHT TODAY(c)wc.

But that's not good enough for some people. They want to push him higher. They want to elevate him and push him past certain folks. Some event want to put him on the same level as the GOAT himself, Michael Jeffery Jordan.

They want to totally dismiss that other guy. You know who. Joe and Pam's son Kobe Bean Bryant.

He came in and snatched 3 rings almost right out the gate. But that didn't count. He was a "sidekick". He just rode Shaq's coattails. It's not like he wasn't out there at 21 years-old averaging 21ppg and leading the team in assists and steals en route to the Lakers first title in over a decade. It wasn't like they didn't run it back the next year with Kobe scoring the same about of points as Shaq and still leading the team in assists sweeping the first 3 rounds of the playoffs with Kobe dropping ALL of his nuts in the Spurs mouths culminating with them dominated the Sixers who had the league's best record. I mean that was Shaq chasing MVP Allen Iverson around on the perimeter and forcing him to shoot only 40%. Its not like they didn't 3-peat, the only team to do so since Jordan's Bulls. Something no other "great teams" have been able to accomplish in recent times like San Antonio or Miami.

But then Shaq left, folks said Kobe would never win another title. But he sneaked back in and snatched two more rings out of the cookie jar and all of a sudden motherfuckers got scared. They wanted to change the rules. All of sudden #Rings don't matter as much.

Now they wanna hype "finals appearances", it doesn't matter if you won or not as long as you participated, lol.

Is that where we really are now?

The reality is Lebron SHOULD BE going for at least his sixth title now.

He should have won at least one in Cleveland before. That 08-09 team good enough to win 66 regular season games, sweep the Pistons and the Hawks in the first 2 rounds, but couldn't get past an Orlando team lead by Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu? How silly does that even sound? lol. Was that Cleveland team THAT much worse than the guys Lebron is playing with now?

And then he took his talents to South Beach. What did he say? "Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7". That first year after and few early struggles but then they got on a roll. They finished the season strong and rolled through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs dropping only one game in each series.

Then it happened. I know Lebron fans like to Cuban B(c) the shit but the 2011 NBA Finals actually happened. Yes, it did. Your boy nutted up in a major and almost inexplicable way. I don't know if he was really that intimidated by Shawn Marion and DeShawn Stevenson or if Gloria was in big to the mob for gambling debts and he was forced to throw the series to save her life but he had probably one of the worst and most bizarre performances by a star player in NBA Finals history that no one can really explain to this day.

The next year he finally got over the hump. It took Wade breaking Rondo's arm in the conference finals and they were able to dominate a super young OKC team but Lebron FINALLY got that first ring.

He got another the next year. The Pacers stretched Miami to the max and they were basically a lucky bounce from losing to the Spurs in the finals but in the end it doesn't matter and Lebron is a two-time champion.

The next season they rolled through the first 3 rounds but the Spurs had their number and wiped the floor with them pretty easily.

Then all of a sudden Lebron didn't have enough "help" again and ran back to Cleveland.

Now he's back in the Finals again for the 5th straight year and people are trumpeting that like its a significant accomplishment even though he only has 2 titles to show for including his 2007 finals appearance giving him 6 overall.

But if he can manage to beat Steph and the Warriors in the finals he'll be halfway to basketball immortality. Jordan won 3 of his titles after age 30.

Lebron can do it too but lets not anoint him just yet, let him EARN his place in history like everybody else did. Don't discount it, don't grade him on a curve. He can still do this. The NBA is wide open right now. Durant and OKC was supposed to be "next" team but its not looking like that now. The Warriors are looking strong but its going to take a salary cap genius to keep that team together. Lebron and the Cavs look like they could easily run off a few titles the way they are playing right now.

But for now let's officially dead the #BronCurve and cease the blaspheming of the one true GOAT MJ and let the "King" EARN his crown.

THE DOORS OF THE CHURCH ARE OPEN!!

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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Chill with the #BronCurve, if he's good enough he'll get 6, #RingsMatter... [View all] , ThaTruth, Wed May-27-15 03:14 PM
 
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You could have just wrote "I'm mad" and saved yourself 1500 words
May 27th 2015
1
RE: You could have just wrote "I'm mad" and saved yourself 1500 words
May 27th 2015
Rings and Finals MVPs is all that matters
May 27th 2015
2
write as much as you want - the inevitable truth is smacking you in the ...
May 27th 2015
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#RingsMatter
May 27th 2015
5
I always wonder what if Lebron played with an all time great center
May 27th 2015
4
If your aunt had a dick she'd be your uncle.
May 27th 2015
7
CLOSE: Bron played with prime Bosh and Wade
May 27th 2015
10
      RE: CLOSE: Bron carried injured Bosh and Wade to 4 straight finals
May 27th 2015
13
TLDR, he's 30 Y.O. and MFers already plea coppin' against GOAT status
May 27th 2015
6
I'm just saying let him EARN his place in NBA history like everybody...
May 27th 2015
8
He's not GOAT to me. Just better than Kobe and top 7 at the moment
May 27th 2015
9
who's in your "top 7"?
May 27th 2015
15
RE: who's in your "top 7"?
May 27th 2015
19
      lol your Celtic fanaticism is showing
May 27th 2015
20
           #3 all-time scorer with 5 rings is at 15? You really think its 15 people...
May 27th 2015
26
           Yes I do
May 27th 2015
33
                "Based on sheer talent & upside alone"? Where's T-Mac? Where's Penny?
May 27th 2015
36
                     You still didnt answer my question
May 27th 2015
39
                          which era? because a lot of those all-time greats wouldn't be so great.....
May 27th 2015
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                               yeah, Larry played against some terrible wing players in the 80s lol
May 27th 2015
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                                    the league and defensive rules are a lot different today that's why...
May 27th 2015
50
           lol I'd give him #13 ahead of Doc and Baylor
May 27th 2015
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^^^^^
May 27th 2015
16
I'm pretty sure you watch basketball
May 27th 2015
11
      #RingsMatter...they HAVE TO, because if you tell me rings don't matter.....
May 27th 2015
24
           RE: #RingsMatter...he has 2 and a chance for 3 at 30 Y.O.
May 27th 2015
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           for one, no one's ever said rings DON'T matter
May 27th 2015
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^^^^ The first Cuban B from LeBrony Nation
May 28th 2015
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Agree on letting things play out but agenda land doesn't work like that
May 27th 2015
12
RE: agenda land
May 27th 2015
14
Fair enough, and it's quite pervasive here obviously
May 27th 2015
18
This post is a Kobe agenda post.
May 27th 2015
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      RE: This post is a Kobe agenda post.
May 27th 2015
34
I agree with every single thing you said except your use of 'nut up'
May 27th 2015
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COTDAMN we gotta a non-Bro fan who is so flummoxed that he wrote
May 27th 2015
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Not flummoxed enough to flee the country and Internet
May 27th 2015
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      Lol
May 27th 2015
31
      lol at fleeing country? That was almost funny, Ernest
May 27th 2015
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      lol
May 29th 2015
161
Very entertaining storyline LOL. I will say: Goalposts will ALWAYS move
May 27th 2015
22
you're right, that's why sports are great.
May 27th 2015
28
      or horrible, depending on how you look at it
May 27th 2015
35
           Sports debates are as old as sports.
May 27th 2015
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           RE: or horrible, depending on how you look at it
May 27th 2015
38
                Russell won ELEVEN times. Admit he is the GOAT and this can end
May 27th 2015
59
                     Do you think he is?
May 27th 2015
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                          No, but I am not the guy positing this ridiculous argument
May 27th 2015
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Tha_Truth kinda spit Tha_Truth y'all, and I got no horse in this
May 27th 2015
23
This definitely needed its own post.
May 27th 2015
25
lol
May 29th 2015
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Thank you for writing all of that!
May 27th 2015
40
I don't think anyone read it all
May 27th 2015
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      Nope. I'm going through our IT demand log. Aint got the energy lol
May 27th 2015
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      RE: I swear to you I didn't lmao
May 27th 2015
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Ring counting is for....
May 27th 2015
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RE: Ring counting is for....
May 27th 2015
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      RE: Ring counting is for....
May 27th 2015
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           RE: Ring counting is for....
May 27th 2015
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                RE: Ring counting is for....
May 27th 2015
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                     Magic averaged double figures in assists 9 years straight, how many year...
May 27th 2015
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Unless you think Russell is GOAT, you automatically use a curve
May 27th 2015
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RE: Unless you think Russell is GOAT, you automatically use a curve
May 27th 2015
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So where do you have Russell? top 5? top 10?
May 27th 2015
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      Top 10, cemented, I could hear a top 5 argument
May 27th 2015
61
      "cemented"? I need to know who else is in your top 10
May 27th 2015
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           Russelll should be *cemented* in everyone's top 10 - really top 5
May 27th 2015
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           RE: Russelll should be *cemented* in everyone's top 10 - really top 5
May 27th 2015
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                Ok now I know you just foolin' - the only players who measure up
May 27th 2015
92
           RE: "cemented"? I need to know who else is in your top 10
May 27th 2015
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                RE: "cemented"? I need to know who else is in your top 10
May 27th 2015
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                     Not Russell, and not for LeBron either.
May 27th 2015
90
                     Close to my list but I gotta put Duncan in over DR.J who was my *1st*
May 27th 2015
96
                          I admit Doc's place is increasingly fragile
May 29th 2015
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      top 10, but you're missing the point
May 27th 2015
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           RE: I'mma need you to stop being reasonable in this post
May 27th 2015
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http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/533/710/7ac.jpg
May 27th 2015
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Only Kobe fans make this argument
May 27th 2015
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and Russell fans. and Bird fans. I'm trying to figure out who's on which...
May 27th 2015
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      I don't hear those fans making that argument
May 27th 2015
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      well then you have to drop Bird below Doc and drop Russell below Moses
May 27th 2015
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      For what reason? There thing wasn't just rings
May 27th 2015
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      Oh old school Celtics fans ALLLLLWAYS bring this up for Russ
May 28th 2015
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      lol - his whole post was funny because all of this trying to downplay
May 27th 2015
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      #TalkAboutIt
May 27th 2015
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      It started with Kobe fans
May 28th 2015
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           idc about agendas, but that didn't start with kobe fans
May 28th 2015
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                literally the 1st time I ever heard all that side kick shit
May 28th 2015
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      When was the last time you heard a person in recent years make the
May 27th 2015
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           Russell won all those rings in an 8 team league...
May 28th 2015
155
a lot of this is on point.
May 27th 2015
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*daps*
May 27th 2015
72
Ya'll act like this is an individual sport vs a team sport
May 27th 2015
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RE: Ya'll act like this is an individual sport vs a team sport
May 27th 2015
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      Obviously it is seeing how everyone is showing you how you've
May 27th 2015
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But who argued otherwise?
May 27th 2015
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But there ARE people making that argument not just here, in the media...
May 27th 2015
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Who are these media types?
May 27th 2015
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on here, Kira and bentagain
May 30th 2015
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      ^^^ You a LIE! see reply 78
May 31st 2015
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           You said he will have the numbers to be GOAT regardless of rings
Jun 01st 2015
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                No, I never said that. DAYUM, I can't be away from the boards for a
Jun 02nd 2015
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                     #RingsMatter
Jun 02nd 2015
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                     He's got 2 and playing for a 3rd, how may do you need to STFU?
Jun 02nd 2015
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                          4 to get in the room, 5 to sit at the table
Jun 02nd 2015
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                               cool, so 10 years from now we can come back and have that discussion
Jun 02nd 2015
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                                    Bron will be lucky to get 5 more years out of his body
Jun 02nd 2015
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                     U said he WILL have the #s to make the case for GOAT regardless of rings
Jun 03rd 2015
218
it's just hilarisad to see posters claim CPPlea is...something...
May 27th 2015
78
exactly, people are very selective with the argument depending on who...
May 27th 2015
81
Who said CPPlea is equal to Magic and Zeke?
May 27th 2015
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except no one here or the media ever said that
May 27th 2015
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      here's your link
May 27th 2015
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           Never said he was as good as Isiah, stinky liar
May 27th 2015
131
Hey look, a Jordan guy and a Kobe guy fetishizing rings together
May 27th 2015
84
i rate this reply a 2 out of 6.
May 27th 2015
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daps
May 27th 2015
120
#RingsMatter
May 27th 2015
88
Both Kobe and Jorn played with a top 25 all time playwr
May 27th 2015
111
      Pippen is not a top 25 all time player & is not better than healthy Wade
May 30th 2015
175
says the Iverson guy fighting a proxy war
May 31st 2015
187
but did ONE person say he was the GOAT?
May 27th 2015
91
At least 15 people have him top 5, that's blasphemous IMO
May 27th 2015
94
That is too high right today. He could get there though, not hard to see
May 27th 2015
97
      i look at it in terms of tiers.
May 27th 2015
101
           so people like Oscar, Magic, and Bird ain't shit now huh? not to mention...
May 27th 2015
103
                you named all the guys in that 'tier of 5' that i mentioned.
May 27th 2015
107
                Lebron is already better than Shaq, Dream & Duncan?
May 27th 2015
109
                     that could be argued, sure.
May 27th 2015
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                     yes
May 27th 2015
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                     by a good margin even
May 27th 2015
122
                     you're gonna argue Dream over Bron?
May 27th 2015
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                     2 = 2
May 27th 2015
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                          ...and pretty much everything else is in Bron's favor.
May 27th 2015
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                               c'mon, you really gonna make me stump for Dream? 2-time champion...
May 27th 2015
127
                               where do you rank lebron all time right today?
May 27th 2015
128
                               maybe 10th, its tough because his career is still being written
May 27th 2015
129
                                    word.
May 27th 2015
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                               You list these two like Bron hasn't acheived them:
May 28th 2015
138
                               Except winning without another star player
May 30th 2015
178
                                    Who did in recent memory besides Dream?
May 30th 2015
179
                                    Duncan in '03 and Dirk
May 31st 2015
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                                         I guess we can say Duncan but Parker & Manu were emerging
May 31st 2015
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                                    Yeah, I'd say 6 finals eclipses that
May 30th 2015
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                                         not if you only won 2 of them #RingsMatter
May 30th 2015
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                                         Uhhhh, yeah... even then
May 31st 2015
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                                         3 Finals, beasted in all 3, 2 rings including winning 1 w/no other stars
May 31st 2015
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                                              okay, how about 4 MVPs to 1
May 31st 2015
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                                                   Moses Malone has 3 MVPs to Shaq's 1
Jun 01st 2015
193
                                                        no.
Jun 01st 2015
194
                                                             oh.
Jun 01st 2015
195
                     Cry.
May 31st 2015
186
                Oscar never even made it to the Finals without Kareem carrying him there
May 30th 2015
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not at all, i've got him even higher than that.
May 27th 2015
95
      right but so i dont get who your response is aimed at
May 27th 2015
98
+1
May 27th 2015
116
*thunderous ovation* nm
May 27th 2015
85
#FieldGoalsMatter
May 27th 2015
99
RE: #FieldGoalPercentagesMatter
May 27th 2015
100
6-for-24
May 27th 2015
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      2 for 5, potentially 2 for 6, how many all-time greats have a losing...
May 27th 2015
108
      #FieldGoalPercentagesMatter #KobestansJustGrowMadder
May 27th 2015
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      The 2011 NBA Finals. It happened...
May 27th 2015
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           Kobe blowing a 2-0 lead vs Phoenix also happened
May 27th 2015
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                5 #RingsMatter
May 27th 2015
123
                Bron just went 14-37 & you mofos didn't say one word..
May 27th 2015
135
                     dogg, several times I've hit the 'If That Was Kobe' button
May 28th 2015
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                          Bron is not 25 any more.. I keep telling people that..
May 30th 2015
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      how many all time greats have even gotten that far?
May 27th 2015
112
      LeBron went 10/30 in Bulls Game 4, and has had other poo-poo performance...
May 28th 2015
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           tell it to the guy above me who wrote FG%Matters, I simply said 6-for-24
May 28th 2015
147
^^^^^sees it
May 27th 2015
102
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818239/bronduncan.gif
May 27th 2015
104
I read all of that and enjoyed it
May 27th 2015
117
see!
May 27th 2015
133
So what does this thread prove?....
May 27th 2015
134
http://i.imgur.com/7Ukb8kq.gif
May 27th 2015
136
Wilt pretty much deads this whole dissertation
May 27th 2015
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I don't think he wins this year
May 28th 2015
139
I agree with this entire post. Don't crown their asses, let them earn it...
May 28th 2015
144
#BronCurve
May 28th 2015
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lol JORDAN FACED WEAKER COMP THAN MAGIC AND BIRD DID lol
May 28th 2015
149
lolz
Jun 01st 2015
197
Won't change the fact that at 30 yrs of age w/still time to accomplish
May 28th 2015
151
FOH, Kobe was trashing the Spurs when Timmy, Tony & Manu...
May 29th 2015
157
This is a bit of a stat juke
May 28th 2015
152
RE: the age-30-season thing
May 28th 2015
153
It's the same data, filtered a different way
May 28th 2015
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^^^PLEAS COPPED
May 29th 2015
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^^^^^nah he shat on your agenda
May 29th 2015
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      nah, he tried to juke the stats, part of the greatness of Kobe(and Tim)....
May 29th 2015
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           whereas Bron IS the Eastern Conference
May 29th 2015
168
Not even saying it means much, BUT...still, Kobe is #1 on there
Jun 02nd 2015
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      right, lol
Jun 02nd 2015
202
goddamn, you're pressed
May 29th 2015
163
ok if you say so. n/m
May 29th 2015
166
yeah, this is actually an interesting stat to me
May 29th 2015
164
Really this is a knock on the East more than anything.
May 30th 2015
177
      When people are hyping "5 straight finals" as if its the equvalent...
May 30th 2015
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           who did that exactly?
May 31st 2015
184
Teams matter
May 28th 2015
154
Lebron is the GOAT
May 29th 2015
167
yep, lol...
May 29th 2015
169
The only all-time great wing to shoot less than 20% from 3 in playoffs?
May 29th 2015
170
If the East is so weak, why don't more players come play in it?
May 29th 2015
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what "stars" have changed teams and went west?
May 29th 2015
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LOL! Maybe because the teams are weak, so it's no point?
Jun 02nd 2015
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you'd have to be either joining a strong team or bringing some friends.
Jun 02nd 2015
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this post just reinforces that Dula D is the best hoops poster here
May 31st 2015
188
Its always funny to me that he's supposed to be the best but there are
Jun 02nd 2015
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RE: post MJ perspective
Jun 02nd 2015
201
      is it as silly to claim a 30 year old is the GOAT?
Jun 02nd 2015
205
      lol, you keep acting like 30 is young for an NBA player, Jordan and Kobe...
Jun 02nd 2015
207
           SAY SOMETHING...you and Cen
Jun 02nd 2015
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                #RingsMatter
Jun 02nd 2015
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                see reply 209
Jun 02nd 2015
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                i really don't do those arguments fam.
Jun 02nd 2015
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                     stans are irrational (c) Cen
Jun 02nd 2015
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                          nope that about it.
Jun 02nd 2015
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Lebron is a great player and what he's doing is awesome right now but...
Jun 08th 2015
219
^said he couldn't see the Cavs as contenders w/ a *healthy* lineup
Jun 08th 2015
220
      did I say something in post #219 that was untrue?
Jun 08th 2015
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           Yes, numerous things, actually
Jun 08th 2015
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11>>>>>6 #NoRingsDontMatter...
Jun 08th 2015
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6 rings as the leading scorer >>>> as the 5th or 6th best scorer on your...
Jun 08th 2015
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      LOL, he was their best player so cut the bullshit
Jun 08th 2015
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      He was their best defensive player but far from the best scorer and its....
Jun 08th 2015
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           Lol, he didn't get 4 MVPs for no reason.
Jun 08th 2015
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           Russell shot 43% in the playoffs in the post
Jun 08th 2015
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                you can't peddle #RingsMatter as the be all end all
Jun 09th 2015
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                     of course there's context involved or else Robert Horry would be in the....
Jun 09th 2015
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                          so then, by extension
Jun 09th 2015
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                               lol, let him get THREE first...
Jun 09th 2015
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                                    YOU made the post saying he HAD to get to 6
Jun 09th 2015
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           he was their best all-around player and their leader, period
Jun 10th 2015
238
      I can't hear you over all these rings...
Jun 08th 2015
227
Lebron is finally doing what he should have done in Cleveland the first....
Jun 10th 2015
235
So hurt. Everybody in the world now agrees. Consensus: Bron is top 5
Jun 10th 2015
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so you're conceding after game 3? noted
Jun 10th 2015
237
he was younger and less of a leader back then. just stop.
Jun 10th 2015
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Man if this is what he's SUPPOSED to do then he is already the damn GOAT
Jun 10th 2015
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lol
Jun 10th 2015
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Lock Post, Archive.
Jun 10th 2015
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      ^^^only sensible person here and the only real Cleveland fan
Jun 10th 2015
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^
Jun 16th 2015
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