>thank you hon, for holding such a <BR>>high opinion of black women in <BR>>general (sarcasm intended). <BR>>I find it interesting that more & <BR>>more white males are marrying non <BR>>white & nonamerican women (though nonblack) <BR>>because they consider white american females <BR>>to be unfeminine, demanding, materialistic, controlling <BR>>YET black men are saying that <BR>>THESE SAME white females (being rejected <BR>>by white males) are LESS demanding <BR>>& easier to deal with than <BR>>sistas (??!!). Clearly there's a contradiction. <BR> the men that say that are just using that as an excuse to date outside of race<P> <BR>>If all these white women love these <BR>>black men for "them" then where <BR>>were they when the brothas were <BR>>broke or down & out? <BR>>The numbers don't lie, most black <BR>>men (particularly the rich) are marrying <BR>>nonblack women who are less educated, <BR>>less financially independant, etc than they <BR>>are. Again, a contradiction. <BR>>I think that "black women are more <BR>>fucked up in the head than <BR>>white women" excuse is bullshit. <BR>>Black women have historically and consistently <BR>>dealt with brothas of all income <BR>>levels and backgrounds. Want proof...study history <BR>>& look around. Generally, we have <BR>>never had the luxury of being <BR>>stay @ home moms...a STANDARD set <BR>>by white males for how THEIR <BR>>women should be treated. Black women <BR>>have always worked and for the <BR>>most part have never been taken <BR>>care of. THAT IS A <BR>>FACT. <BR>>Most EVERY black man can get a <BR>>female and even the worst of <BR>>the bunch has female companionship and <BR>>someone to bear his children. At <BR>>the same time, very eligible black <BR>>women are either alone or dealing <BR>>with males that are not their <BR>>peers socially, economically or educationally. <BR>>So which side of the gender <BR>>divide is really more willing to <BR>>bend and compromise the white patriarchial <BR>>standards? If black women were <BR>>so materialistic - most of y'all <BR>>wouldn't be able to get any <BR>>ass and CLEARLY that is not <BR>>the case. As I said, LOOK <BR>>AROUND..if we were all waiting for <BR>>brothas with 6 figures, we'd all <BR>>be alone, there'd be less single <BR>>moms, etc. Fact is, most <BR>>black women take damn near any <BR>>man & while we complain about <BR>>a n*gg* doing...its because many of <BR>>us have been pulling more than <BR>>our fair share of the weight <BR>>for a long time now. <BR>><BR>>Here's what I think. Some black <BR>>men have been brainwashed to think <BR>>white aesthetics are more valuable than <BR>>black ones. Speaking generally, every woman <BR>>(regardless of race) knows that the <BR>>"prettier" you perceived to be the <BR>>more shit a man is willing <BR>>to ignore and the more a <BR>>man will do. <BR>>Many black men are willing to <BR>>ignore the same so-called negative qualities <BR>>in white women that they claim <BR>>to hate in black women because <BR>>they view the white woman's aesthetic <BR>>as more valuable and are blinded <BR>>to the negative qualities of their <BR>>"prize". <BR>>Also, many of the black men dating <BR>>interacially select involve themselves with black <BR>>women on 1 social level then <BR>>get loot or whatever and date <BR>>white women of a different social <BR>>level and try to compare the <BR>>2. That's not fair. Of <BR>>course a struggling woman of any <BR>>background are more inclined to view <BR>>a man for his ability to <BR>>provide. Being that white women were <BR>>the true beneficiaries of affirmative active, <BR>>many of them got to be <BR>>MISS INDEPENDANT on the backs of <BR>>the black civil rights struggle <BR>>and can now afford to look <BR>>for other qualities BESIDES assets. <BR>>Then y'all brothas want to turn <BR>>around and get salty at <BR>>black women for needing black men <BR>>economically when its racism and systematic <BR>>oppression that makes it possible for <BR>>white women NOT to have those <BR>>same needs? <BR>>WHATEVER. <P><BR>there is really only one question that I would like to have answered. Is there ever a time that a black man can be with a white women and it not be because of some issue that the man has w/black women. I'm a single black 24 year old male I have dated white, black, hispanic, and asian women. I have also had the oppurtunity to travel overseas and see different cultures and see how interacial couples are viewed and treated. In any other country that I have visisted and the mixing of races in marriage or dating is not frowned upon with the same veracity that it is in the US-hell even in Canada its not as bad but as soon as you set foot in this country you can feel the climate of attitude change. Why is that? I've read every post in this thread and I see alot of concerned black women saying that the black men that they have encountered say they date outside there race because black women are not docile. The men that say that are looking for an excuse to date the woman that they are dating(and he is not worth losind any sleep over). My mother is black and she is not docile, and as I look back every girlfriend that I have had(no matter the race) is almost just like her , full of life, opinionated, independent and proud. No matter how you look at this issue its a personnal issue, the world is changing people are finding the beauty in other cultures. This country is way behind, slavery has drove a wedge in this country that may never be fixed(by the tone of most of the post's in this thread some never want it to be). So this is my question. Can love for another person trandscend race? btw-if a black man choose to generalize all black women, please do not mourn his lost. And also if your view of th world is such that you don't want to support the Roots because you think Black Thought's movie role is tearing the fabric of the black community apart then what you need to do is get all the black folk together go find an deserted island in the pacific and be fruitfull and mutiply that is the only way that you will be able to truly "preserve" the black community(this is not sarcasm).<P>"it's not paranoid if they are really out to get you!" Unknown