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"In Studio The Roots Are In What Boxing Heads Call The 'Game Loser' Stage"


  

          

I first heard that term out of the mouth of legendary boxing trainer/commentator Teddy Atlas while discussing the 8th-round TKO beating that Mike Tyson took at the hands of Lennox Lewis.

That shit hurt my heart when he said it & my first instinct was to cuss at my TV screen like Teddy's hating ass could actually hear me.

I grew up on Tyson knocking motherfuckas out.

My coolest unc even took me to see Iron Mike live in his heyday down at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City a couple times (vs Tyrell Biggs first then later Michael Spinks).

As I grew into adolescence, I realized it'd never be quite the same post-prison but there was enough evidence to allow my love as a fan to outweigh logic.

Atlas claimed that Tyson didn't really have the belief in himself at that stage.

Never really convinced himself before or during the battle that he could defeat a bigger, younger and by then more skilled/better-conditioned foe in Lennox.

The frenetic head movement, ferocity & unpredictability had all but evaporated.

Instead you had a more ordinary & always-undersized Tyson who now allowed himself to eat stiff jabs and absorb punishment for enough rounds to make it a 'respectable' defeat.

It was so blatant that The Baddest Man On The Planet wouldn't even take the risk of trying to catch the notoriously suspect-chinned adonis with a hook or upper cut that might get him out of there quick like far lesser heavyweights such as Hasim Rachman or Oliver McCall had.

Eventually after the initial sting wore off, Teddy's words were fairly undeniable.

Hip-hop is a gladiator sport, like boxing or stand-up comedy.

You need to be fully committed to it, retain rhythm/reflexes thru repetition, stay in fighting shape even during the lapses between training, maintain the edge that got you this far despite the fact that you're now enjoying the spoils of success and the physical toll mounts.

And even if you do somehow persevere past those obstacles, it's still a profession so unforgiving that each next visit to the ring, the stage, the studio could be the end of your career.

Tyson didn't go in there that night back in '02 planning or truly believing he could beat Lennox, he was there for the big check to pay debts and as an ex-con with an 8th grade education he didn't yet know what else he could do to get it.

So Kid Dynamite became just another game loser trying to hang in the fight.

As The Roots have amazingly become the world's greatest house band sharing stages with the president & Paul McCartney on national TV, it's pretty clear they're not even really trying that hard anymore on these LPs.

What's left of the band that was grinding thru the 90's/early 00's doing 250 dates a year knows that they're not gonna eat off records or tour money.

They've grown up & gotten a steady well-paying gig with benes and endless networking opportunities.

Good. They've more than earned it and I'm proud of how far the boys have come since the Middle East club days.

Yet Questo, the hardest-working-man-in-show-business, is a student of the game and knows what affectations/associations will serve to maintain his Metacritic score each time out.

But like an old friend who has to keep it true, it's time to admit that we've now been hearing some variation of this same blueprint for ten years.

And I won't even get into the records growing increasingly darker in content & aggressively more 'difficult' as some sort of subconscious antithesis to the crowd-pleasing band you see on TV.

What you end up with is skillfully played but somewhat ponderous music cloaked in all the accoutrements and murky meaningfulness that the critics/certain fans will proudly proclaim they like but long-term very few truly love.

A month or two after this album when they do a show in New York/Philly/LA, the band will be back to playing Next Movement, Proceed, backing other artists and closing with You Got Me/Seed 2.0.

Short story now 'get a damn blog, Bomb!' long......none of this new shit sticks to the ribs.

We're in that 2000s Sonic Youth, post-70's Lou Reed, last 20 years or so Woody Allen, Neither Fish Nor Flesh TTD, post-WB Prince, Jack White after Elephant, George Carlin's caustic/barely-comedic last HBO special after 9/11, Red Hook Brooklyn Spike, Public Enemy with a 10-piece-band to play their R&RHOF Induction......you get the idea.

And oddly enough the group once considered 'conscious' by proxy in the late 90's now lyrically seems to try to make big sweeping societal statements but neglect to do the individual soul-bearing work required.

This new album is hopefully the nadir of albums made in this style, the sonic/thematic mood is like some sort of dystopian Gorillaz record where the rap verses are ancillary, minor keys are unrelenting, a few string breaks are interjected, the tempos rarely change and the hooks feel like elongated funeral dirges that you instantly forget when they mercifully end.

After their umpteenth 'challenging' indie-rock/art-hop album in a row, the challenge The Legendary seem least up for taking on is attempting to make entertaining music with any degree of rap energy or rock danger.

Hate to be the 'you grandiose motherfuckas don't play the shit that they like' type but fuck it, after 20 years of countless shows, embarrassing numbers of posts & double-digit automatic album purchases I guess I feel like I've earned the right to gripe.

Love, Peace & Gourmet Food-Truck Chicken Grease,

Bomb

  

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In Studio The Roots Are In What Boxing Heads Call The 'Game Loser' Stage [View all] , Bombastic, Mon Jun-02-14 08:36 AM
 
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tl;dr version: i'm sorry but the roots have gotten boring.
May 19th 2014
1
more or less n/m
May 19th 2014
2
I wish they were exciting like Wiz Khalifah and Kid Cudi
May 20th 2014
43
what do you think the roots want to be, at their highest aspiration?
May 19th 2014
3
RE: what do you think the roots want to be, at their highest aspiration?
May 20th 2014
6
I havent heard the LP. But this' by far one of the best written pieces
May 19th 2014
4
thanks brotha, don't take my word for it tho, others will disagree
May 20th 2014
10
why can't the music be what it is tho?-
May 20th 2014
5
who's stopping the music from 'being what it is'? I'm simply commenting ...
May 20th 2014
8
      RE: who's stopping the music from 'being what it is'? I'm simply comment...
May 20th 2014
21
           yeah, you are missing his point completely
May 20th 2014
23
                bullshit.
May 20th 2014
26
                adorable
May 20th 2014
31
                     thank you.
May 20th 2014
32
                seems like u missed his point actually
May 20th 2014
29
                bwahahaha I'll ask your opinion when I want to know
May 20th 2014
30
                RE: Did you actually read the post?
May 20th 2014
33
All I know as that I'd like more Black Thought on the album
May 20th 2014
7
exactly why I loved that MMJB record, Thought's been reigned in
May 20th 2014
9
      musically, these have been sticking points for me
May 20th 2014
25
           yup, some of those song transitions on Phrenolgy felt like a live show
May 20th 2014
45
I've felt this way prolly since Game Theory.....
May 20th 2014
11
yup, pretty much with you word for word on all that.
May 20th 2014
12
I'm starting to think Malik got ousted because he thought this shyt
May 27th 2014
133
      I know this.....Malik is all over my top 4 Roots albums
May 27th 2014
137
beautifully written piece
May 20th 2014
13
I anticipate u aren't alone there but appreciate the kind words
May 21st 2014
59
They got contractual obligations.
May 20th 2014
14
great piece. nm
May 20th 2014
15
thanks, that old post of yours that got upped this week mighta
May 21st 2014
61
You got a knack for writing...you need a music blog or something bruh
May 20th 2014
16
*daps* wish I knew anything about the machinations of that stuff
May 21st 2014
63
+1
May 21st 2014
65
Enjoyed reading this, BUT I really enjoyed the Roots last album
May 20th 2014
17
BT rapped more on Distortion to Static & Section than on this entire LP
May 20th 2014
18
perfectly said...
May 20th 2014
19
thoughtful and well written
May 20th 2014
20
slow clap n/m
May 20th 2014
22
I just need less Dice, and it'd be great
May 20th 2014
24
I agree with most of what was said ....
May 20th 2014
27
RE: In Studio The Roots Are In What Boxing Heads Call The 'Game Loser' S...
May 20th 2014
28
...
May 20th 2014
34
you nailed it homie
May 20th 2014
35
RE: you nailed it homie
May 21st 2014
64
Pointing out that a mid-60's Carlin and a double digit
May 20th 2014
36
you nailed it homie-
May 20th 2014
37
no shit, I'm just earmarking the moment I acknowledged it occurred
May 21st 2014
58
      OK, point made then. I just don't understand this perspective
May 21st 2014
75
Bought first Roots album in '96 and everyone one since....
May 20th 2014
38
who is the Lennox Lewis to the Roots' Iron Mike?
May 20th 2014
39
you're trying too hard-
May 20th 2014
44
      ok then, sorry
May 21st 2014
66
Cool, but you kinda fucked yourself with this post
May 20th 2014
40
I actually like Watch The Throne a lot, new album didn't really even
May 21st 2014
50
      did you like 'wake up'?
May 21st 2014
52
      liked it more than I thought I would going in
May 21st 2014
57
      Nah, you're not getting off that easy. Sorry.
May 21st 2014
79
           .
May 21st 2014
80
           HOLD THE FUCK UP!
May 22nd 2014
94
you know I dig your writing, but this was on some tldr
May 20th 2014
41
I hear you, it may look longer than it actually is & read slightly quick...
May 20th 2014
47
HIGO is a great album
May 20th 2014
42
I can't hear it but glad someone enjoys it
May 21st 2014
48
I've been here since day one and HIGO is my favorite album.
May 24th 2014
106
Thank you!
May 20th 2014
46
Counterpoint
May 21st 2014
49
damn, even my counterpoint to the counterpoints here went way long
May 21st 2014
54
I'd pay top dollar.
May 27th 2014
136
^^^^^^^^^ SAY IT, BROTHER
May 22nd 2014
95
because I feel compelled to reply after reading all of THAT
May 28th 2014
138
      You obviously missed the entire point of my reply
May 28th 2014
140
           No, I think you missed the entire point of my reply
May 29th 2014
146
                "They've changed their standards. Evaluate on their own merits...
May 29th 2014
147
here's what questo & bt say-
May 21st 2014
51
LOL @ Charlamagne working hard to get them to badmouth Philly
May 21st 2014
60
      i thought all around it was great-
May 21st 2014
72
Disagreed.
May 21st 2014
53
RE: Disagreed.
May 21st 2014
55
I see them as more Hopkins than Tyson
May 21st 2014
56
oh yeah, I wasn't trying to put their careers as a legit parallel
May 21st 2014
62
      generally sports analogies for art fail upon any close inspection
May 21st 2014
67
      your 'generally' doesnt apply here bcuz it's not a direct sports analogy
May 21st 2014
69
           you're still stuck in the paradigm of winning/losing
May 21st 2014
70
                nah, you still don't get it n/m
May 22nd 2014
93
                     honestly i think the only thing ppl aren't "getting" in this post...
May 23rd 2014
101
                          Mmmhmm, K.
May 26th 2014
107
                          observing your steez on these boards, you are a man-child
May 26th 2014
111
                               Observing your pleas in this post, you are a mad-child
May 26th 2014
118
                                    you didn't really have to prove my point for me but thanks
May 26th 2014
122
                                    Why you and Nick are arguing with #### is beyond me
May 27th 2014
131
                                         RE: Why you and Nick are arguing with #### is beyond me
May 27th 2014
132
                          RE: honestly i think the only thing ppl aren't "getting" in this post...
May 26th 2014
109
                               if your complaint is "we want more Thought" its even more obvious...
May 26th 2014
110
                                    RE: if your complaint is "we want more Thought" its even more obvious...
May 26th 2014
113
                                         ive been a Roots fan since i first saw the video to Distortion...
May 26th 2014
114
                                              RE: ive been a Roots fan since i first saw the video to Distortion...
May 26th 2014
115
                                                   so what is the proper quota of Black Thought verses required for a...
May 26th 2014
116
                                                        RE: so what is the proper quota of Black Thought verses required for a.....
May 26th 2014
120
                                                             it's a 33 minute album & he has 6 top notch A+ verses
May 26th 2014
121
                                                                  RE: it's a 33 minute album & he has 6 top notch A+ verses
May 26th 2014
124
                                                                       and that song is DOPE AS FUCK
May 26th 2014
125
      RE: oh yeah, I wasn't trying to put their careers as a legit parallel
May 21st 2014
78
I love the discussion in this thread
May 21st 2014
68
ya'll are probably the same people who didn't like Voodoo when it came o...
May 21st 2014
71
RE: the growth is apparent
May 21st 2014
73
give me an example of the apparent growth since u seem to have
Jun 02nd 2014
162
response.
May 21st 2014
74
this post. all of this post.
May 29th 2014
144
good read
May 21st 2014
76
BT interview seems to explain the last few albums (partial swipe)
May 21st 2014
77
Undun and HIGO are so fucking dope
May 21st 2014
81
yessir.
May 22nd 2014
86
Yes. Yes they are.
May 22nd 2014
88
they are indeed
May 22nd 2014
89
RE: Undun and HIGO are so fucking dope
May 22nd 2014
91
yup
May 31st 2014
161
shakes his head then he says man'll never understand
May 21st 2014
82
I'm very surprised at the hate towards this record...
May 21st 2014
83
RE: I'm very surprised at the hate towards this record...
May 21st 2014
84
RE: I'm very surprised at the hate towards this record...
May 21st 2014
85
This is The Lesson. They like to go at the Roots
May 22nd 2014
87
      did you notice everybody in the post providing insightful comentary?
May 22nd 2014
90
      I have never, ever, ever 'gone at The Roots' in my entire history on OKP
May 22nd 2014
92
           All good. Like I said, I'm harder on you, pause
May 22nd 2014
96
           Inbox
May 22nd 2014
99
           so you bought your way to being a true fan?
May 24th 2014
104
           Only thing that seems odd is how pressed u are to argue about nothing.
May 26th 2014
108
           oh, that's right, you want to post your opinion & sit back ...
May 26th 2014
112
               
May 26th 2014
117
                    
May 26th 2014
119
                          por K
May 26th 2014
126
           this is an unfortunate approach to take.
May 26th 2014
127
                por que?
May 26th 2014
128
           RE: Would also guarantee
May 28th 2014
143
this was wonderfully worded
May 22nd 2014
97
Thanks Brotha, inbox n/m
May 26th 2014
123
i like the album a lot.
May 22nd 2014
98
I bought the album Tuesday.
May 23rd 2014
100
I just listened to the album again
May 23rd 2014
102
i feel exactly the opposite
May 24th 2014
103
This kind of post
May 24th 2014
105
ArtBrimmer = J*nus
May 26th 2014
129
RE: ArtBrimmer = J*nus
May 26th 2014
130
nah, Kelving/Bammer/etc
Jun 02nd 2014
163
      Nah homie, that was ####. Trust me
Jun 03rd 2014
164
           well, u do have ways of knowing so most definitely take your word for it
Jun 03rd 2014
165
           lol
Jul 30th 2014
169
Nah, you wrong
May 27th 2014
134
I don't think Undun, HIGO or ATYSYC sound anything alike
May 27th 2014
135
i tried.
May 28th 2014
142
i don't think they sound alike either
May 29th 2014
145
tonally they do (less so undun then this HIGO, RD after 75 Bars)
May 29th 2014
148
Its been like a decade or more since we've talked about Kamal
May 28th 2014
139
if I had to play 5x/week on the Tonight Show. LIKE I'D EVEN BOTHER
May 28th 2014
141
They're a band & have a studio at work so they're gonna record
May 29th 2014
149
      RE: They're a band & have a studio at work so they're gonna record
May 29th 2014
150
      RE: They're a band & have a studio at work so they're gonna record
May 29th 2014
151
           that Candy Man reference got me n/m
May 29th 2014
152
           smh...
May 29th 2014
153
                RE: smh...
May 30th 2014
154
                     RE: smh...
Jul 29th 2014
167
I Agree
May 30th 2014
155
RE: I Agree
May 30th 2014
156
critically-acclaimed legacy act on network TV nightly? Long Time.
May 30th 2014
158
RE: HIGO on Fallon
May 30th 2014
157
hell no they don't regret it nor should they
May 30th 2014
159
I will always consider myself a fan, I'm just on 'gotta hear it first'
May 30th 2014
160
agree but disagree
Jul 29th 2014
166
I wrote a long response to this
Jul 30th 2014
168
short response is easy
Jul 30th 2014
170

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