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26. "ok, I have more time to comment further..."
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My MAIN beef with these discussions?

Buzzwords, Buzzwords, Buzzwords and sideline commentary.


There's WAAAAAAY too much jargon thrown around, and in some cases it's plain as day that some of the people posting have NO idea what they're talking about.

Fans have started throwing around industry terms with reckless abandon, and in MOST cases they're concerning themselves with details that we as fans don't need to be bothered with:

"old business model", "Marketing", "Updated Paradigm" - Why the FUCK should I care how Sony is planning to present me with music? All I should know is that the new "Artist A" album drops on the 23rd

"Numbers"- Again. So WHAT if "Artist A" sells a million copies? How does that make his music good or how does that make him comparable to Artist B?

"Units", "Branding", "Imaging", "Product" etc. - It reeks of some kid fresh outta Advertising 281 just trying to make himself look smarter in a music discussion. There's NOTHING more annoying than hearing somebody say that Artist A has new 'product' out.

Also, some of us here HAVE actually taken the steps of starting up labels, and putting out commercial releases. This doesn't make us smarter or any more talented than anybody else. But it's kinda stubborn for people to shout us down as if we have NO idea how this shit works. Even if we're wrong ( and apparently we are, because we're not driving Ferraris *looks at camera*), we're coming from a place of experience. And as one of my old football coaches used to say: "You can't teach experience". All that shit about updated business models, and alternative revenue streams goes out the window if you haven't invested YOUR time and money into it, and then dealt with the shit that goes along with releasing music. It's Armchair A&R'ing, plain and simple.


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Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions? [View all] , Jakob Hellberg, Sat Apr-30-11 06:38 PM
 
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I find those discussions kind of disheartening myself
Apr 30th 2011
1
they're fun until they go off the rails.
Apr 30th 2011
3
only when people are misinformed...
Apr 30th 2011
2
RE: No you're not. And I'm calling you out AFKAP.
Apr 30th 2011
4
Why are you calling me out specifically?
May 01st 2011
15
      RE: No, I was being sarcastic.
May 01st 2011
20
           Oh okay.
May 01st 2011
22
They're necessary.
Apr 30th 2011
5
RE: And even more of them are just trying to LOOK smart.
Apr 30th 2011
7
*yawn* That was not very useful and boring.
May 01st 2011
8
      RE: Substance! Alright!
May 01st 2011
9
           I'm interested in media in general and music is a part of that.
May 01st 2011
10
                RE: I guess the distinction then. . .
May 01st 2011
11
                     I don't know that it does. I think that we're both interested
May 01st 2011
12
                          I'm in general agreement with Firebrand I think.
May 01st 2011
18
                               You are totally oversimplifying and misrepresenting the argument here.
May 01st 2011
21
                                    It's like this:
May 01st 2011
25
                                    Again simplifying, though.
May 01st 2011
27
                                    but when we DO have these discussions, they go off the rails...
May 01st 2011
29
                                    Death? This is a REBIRTH!
May 01st 2011
44
No offense but this ''content'' shit...
May 01st 2011
13
      It doesn't really matter that you like it or not.
May 01st 2011
14
      eh... I've already gone back and forth with him on that shit.
May 01st 2011
16
           I think Jay Rosen and his attack on the caveweller idea
May 01st 2011
17
                Well, then I guess the bone of contention
May 01st 2011
23
                     I'm not sure that's what we're saying at all.
May 01st 2011
40
I don't mind when it's about the state of the industry overall
Apr 30th 2011
6
full disclosure I've been bored with this forum for a minute now
May 01st 2011
19
It's boring only when some insist on propping up the old model
May 01st 2011
24
let me ask you THIS:
May 01st 2011
28
Your whole post bored me.
May 01st 2011
30
      Of course it did. Good day to you.
May 01st 2011
31
           Literally NO ONE has posted exactly how to fix the industy.
May 01st 2011
32
                here's the problem.
May 01st 2011
33
                     Your perspective on the fans should encompass more than okp
May 01st 2011
35
                          fair enough.
May 01st 2011
45
and another thing. What's the "New Model"?
May 01st 2011
34
      Uh, the new model is free and a muthaf*ckin' t-shirt
May 01st 2011
37
      LOL
May 01st 2011
38
      hmmmm.
May 01st 2011
39
      Right now the answer is: There is no one model.
May 01st 2011
41
      but to some degree, most artists have the same goals...
May 01st 2011
43
           Those aren't specific goals and it'll be different
May 01st 2011
49
                that's what I said..."it varies by genre"...
May 01st 2011
50
                I think the best way to "save" music is to abandon
May 01st 2011
52
                although your adamant stance about music = free irks me...
May 02nd 2011
65
                     Man I'm just a journalist. I see what cats are doing
May 02nd 2011
74
      *double post*
May 01st 2011
42
      "number of hits on youtube/followers" is part of the new model
May 02nd 2011
62
      That can be part of it. And...
May 02nd 2011
64
      In the "New Model," the artist controls how far they go.
May 02nd 2011
73
I completely agree with you
May 01st 2011
36
RE: Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions?
May 01st 2011
46
yes...and no.
May 01st 2011
48
RE: yes...and no.
May 01st 2011
54
RE: Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions?
May 01st 2011
53
      RE: Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions?
May 01st 2011
55
           Trust me...
May 01st 2011
56
           and neither does being a fan.
May 01st 2011
58
                You going after me?
May 02nd 2011
59
                     umm. no I'm not...so don't make shit personal.
May 02nd 2011
60
                          ethugging?
May 02nd 2011
61
           bingo.
May 01st 2011
57
I'm Never Tired Of Those ''Industry Related" Discussions
May 01st 2011
47
man this is on point
May 01st 2011
51
#musiccivilwar
May 02nd 2011
63
since it is called the music industry, i think industry posts are valid
May 02nd 2011
66
there's like a >10:1 ratio w/ music discussion vs industry posts
May 02nd 2011
67
Yes, but those posts seem to generate MUCH more indepth discussion...
May 02nd 2011
68
      here is where I would like to know OKP's age demographics
May 02nd 2011
71
           This is a great point
May 02nd 2011
72
Here's the thing
May 02nd 2011
69
^^^The new description for The Lesson^^^
May 02nd 2011
70
technology is more interesting than the artefact these days
May 03rd 2011
75

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