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23. "Well, then I guess the bone of contention"
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>OR Clay Shirky or Greg Kot and their breaking down of those
>idea of holding onto an out dated system that no longer has
>any real world value is all the indication needed about what I
>mean and who I'm talking about.

lies in our varying definitions of "outdated" and "real world value."

The root of our disagreement (as I see it) lies in the concept of the formation or perception of "value"... If you believe that a LOLcat is of equal cultural value to A Love Supreme, that's just an idea that I will probably never get on board with.

The problem I see with you and denny is that you emphasize the moral neutrality of "the glacier" without weighing the ideological impact of it.

Social and technological trends are pretty much unstoppable... It's futile crying about it and trying to force the toothpaste back into the tube.

But that doesn't mean that they are completely neutral value-wise. Some trends, some ideas ARE better than others.

So if the dominant idea is that an item of "content" is worth no more than the medium by which it is distributed... I am sorry but I think that is a BAD idea.

And me saying a bad idea is probably not going to stop the advance of that idea, but let me at least have it on record so that when the inevitable negative end result of that bad idea comes to fore, I'll know that I was not a cosigner on that bill.

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Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions? [View all] , Jakob Hellberg, Sat Apr-30-11 06:38 PM
 
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I find those discussions kind of disheartening myself
Apr 30th 2011
1
they're fun until they go off the rails.
Apr 30th 2011
3
only when people are misinformed...
Apr 30th 2011
2
RE: No you're not. And I'm calling you out AFKAP.
Apr 30th 2011
4
Why are you calling me out specifically?
May 01st 2011
15
      RE: No, I was being sarcastic.
May 01st 2011
20
           Oh okay.
May 01st 2011
22
They're necessary.
Apr 30th 2011
5
RE: And even more of them are just trying to LOOK smart.
Apr 30th 2011
7
*yawn* That was not very useful and boring.
May 01st 2011
8
      RE: Substance! Alright!
May 01st 2011
9
           I'm interested in media in general and music is a part of that.
May 01st 2011
10
                RE: I guess the distinction then. . .
May 01st 2011
11
                     I don't know that it does. I think that we're both interested
May 01st 2011
12
                          I'm in general agreement with Firebrand I think.
May 01st 2011
18
                               You are totally oversimplifying and misrepresenting the argument here.
May 01st 2011
21
                                    It's like this:
May 01st 2011
25
                                    Again simplifying, though.
May 01st 2011
27
                                    but when we DO have these discussions, they go off the rails...
May 01st 2011
29
                                    Death? This is a REBIRTH!
May 01st 2011
44
No offense but this ''content'' shit...
May 01st 2011
13
      It doesn't really matter that you like it or not.
May 01st 2011
14
      eh... I've already gone back and forth with him on that shit.
May 01st 2011
16
           I think Jay Rosen and his attack on the caveweller idea
May 01st 2011
17
               
                     I'm not sure that's what we're saying at all.
May 01st 2011
40
I don't mind when it's about the state of the industry overall
Apr 30th 2011
6
full disclosure I've been bored with this forum for a minute now
May 01st 2011
19
It's boring only when some insist on propping up the old model
May 01st 2011
24
let me ask you THIS:
May 01st 2011
28
Your whole post bored me.
May 01st 2011
30
      Of course it did. Good day to you.
May 01st 2011
31
           Literally NO ONE has posted exactly how to fix the industy.
May 01st 2011
32
                here's the problem.
May 01st 2011
33
                     Your perspective on the fans should encompass more than okp
May 01st 2011
35
                          fair enough.
May 01st 2011
45
and another thing. What's the "New Model"?
May 01st 2011
34
      Uh, the new model is free and a muthaf*ckin' t-shirt
May 01st 2011
37
      LOL
May 01st 2011
38
      hmmmm.
May 01st 2011
39
      Right now the answer is: There is no one model.
May 01st 2011
41
      but to some degree, most artists have the same goals...
May 01st 2011
43
           Those aren't specific goals and it'll be different
May 01st 2011
49
                that's what I said..."it varies by genre"...
May 01st 2011
50
                I think the best way to "save" music is to abandon
May 01st 2011
52
                although your adamant stance about music = free irks me...
May 02nd 2011
65
                     Man I'm just a journalist. I see what cats are doing
May 02nd 2011
74
      *double post*
May 01st 2011
42
      "number of hits on youtube/followers" is part of the new model
May 02nd 2011
62
      That can be part of it. And...
May 02nd 2011
64
      In the "New Model," the artist controls how far they go.
May 02nd 2011
73
ok, I have more time to comment further...
May 01st 2011
26
I completely agree with you
May 01st 2011
36
RE: Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions?
May 01st 2011
46
yes...and no.
May 01st 2011
48
RE: yes...and no.
May 01st 2011
54
RE: Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions?
May 01st 2011
53
      RE: Am I the only one bored with ''industry''-related discussions?
May 01st 2011
55
           Trust me...
May 01st 2011
56
           and neither does being a fan.
May 01st 2011
58
                You going after me?
May 02nd 2011
59
                     umm. no I'm not...so don't make shit personal.
May 02nd 2011
60
                          ethugging?
May 02nd 2011
61
           bingo.
May 01st 2011
57
I'm Never Tired Of Those ''Industry Related" Discussions
May 01st 2011
47
man this is on point
May 01st 2011
51
#musiccivilwar
May 02nd 2011
63
since it is called the music industry, i think industry posts are valid
May 02nd 2011
66
there's like a >10:1 ratio w/ music discussion vs industry posts
May 02nd 2011
67
Yes, but those posts seem to generate MUCH more indepth discussion...
May 02nd 2011
68
      here is where I would like to know OKP's age demographics
May 02nd 2011
71
           This is a great point
May 02nd 2011
72
Here's the thing
May 02nd 2011
69
^^^The new description for The Lesson^^^
May 02nd 2011
70
technology is more interesting than the artefact these days
May 03rd 2011
75

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