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182. "one unmentioned difference is..."
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visibility.

If we saw/heard Kweli or Pharoah Monch or D'Angelo all the damn time like folks see and hear an R Kelly or a JayZ, we'd all have stronger critiques.

Almost every artist has some sort of shortcomings. Almost every one of them.

The more you see an artist, the more folks tend to notice and/or exaggerate those shortcomings.

Kelly is it when it comes to R&B and visibility. When he comes out, he comes out with a slew of songs, remixes, guest spots, production, etc. He damn near takes over BET and the radio, so folks can tend to get tired of him.

Folks got tired of Al Green in the 70s, too.

It took them longer, but they kinda got tired of the Isleys for a little bit, too.

And folks never really 'got' Marvin and they abandoned him as soon as they couldn't take one of his songs as a random bedroom anthem.

Really...Kelly is about as close as anyone is to being a 'soul' artist in the same vein as an Isley Brothers or Marvin Gaye or Al Green.

He does a lot of the songs that folks 'say' they want as well as the uptempo 'club' songs that are now viewed as punishable even if they work with the club crowd.

The club crowd gets to the store quicker than the 'complainer' group, so Kelly releases singles for the club about half the time.

He doesn't have to do The Belle Album to be credible just because he's highly popular. Folks who sale less records "sell-out" more often than Kelly.

Jimaveli

>>most of his stuff is wack, and you
>>already said D has 2 classics...
>
>basically i don't agree with this...my beef isn't with those
>that thinks d'angelo is better, but with those that thinks
>kelly ISN'T talented in any way, that he's a shit song
>writer, all that shit
>
>yes kelly has put out some shitty songs in his career, and i
>honestly say d'angelo hasn't made somethin as low as
>"snake", but most of kelly's songs AREN'T wack...take
>chocolate factory for example, take out the latin-sounding
>ones out, u have a great album....can u honestly tell me
>that "step in the name of love (& remix)", "forever more",
>"dream girl" are wack? and on the bonus disk, title track
>"loveland" is just hotness.... now his song writing might be
>cliched, but it doesn't mean it's bad, he HAS written gems
>like "when a woman's fed up", "i believe i can fly" etc ya
>kno
>
>plus ppl said kelly hasn't made a song like "untitled", well
>imo d'angelo hasn't made a song like "if i could turn back
>the hands of time" either...and they won't, coz they're
>totally different like reply 113 said...
>
>basically, when it comes down to it, some ppl r givin kelly
>way too little credit, and some even implied he is a clown
>and all that shit...quit lyin to urself man...shit

  

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There ain't ENOUGH R. Kelly Fans in here [View all] , buildingblock, Fri Aug-01-03 07:17 AM
 
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u a fool..
Aug 01st 2003
1
them cats ain't really into black music in the 1st plac
Aug 01st 2003
2
They Just hate
Aug 01st 2003
3
if R was an okay artist...
Aug 01st 2003
5
yup
Aug 01st 2003
4
so does R
Aug 01st 2003
9
      i'm with you
Aug 01st 2003
50
      That Pop World-Wide Shit...
Aug 01st 2003
109
      i ain't never had to fast forward an r kelly song
Aug 02nd 2003
130
      It's Not About 'Singing for Bitches'...
Aug 02nd 2003
138
      you must not've heard talk shit to ya before
Aug 02nd 2003
143
           And You Must Not've Stayed on My Website Long...
Aug 02nd 2003
151
      RE: i ain't never had to fast forward an r kelly song
Aug 02nd 2003
162
      You don't know men.
Aug 02nd 2003
140
           Sweetheart, Please *rolls eyes*
Aug 02nd 2003
142
      it seems you are confusing sales
supercalifragalisticespealidocious
Aug 02nd 2003
155
RE: There ain't ENOUGH R. Kelly Fans in here
Aug 01st 2003
6
R. Kelly better than D'Angelo?
Aug 01st 2003
7
carr' ya ass, nigga
Aug 01st 2003
8
      r kelly's best song ever
Aug 01st 2003
91
           what? thoia thoing takes out ANYTHING
Aug 01st 2003
92
                straight up
Aug 01st 2003
99
                RE: what? thoia thoing takes out ANYTHING
Aug 01st 2003
104
                respectively
Aug 02nd 2003
129
                     these are not rush to the floor club bangers
Aug 02nd 2003
132
                          now we're getting into hypothetical rhetoric
Aug 02nd 2003
135
                               that's not that type of song...do you know what a club
Aug 02nd 2003
137
                                    like i said
Aug 02nd 2003
141
R. Kelly Needs To Step His Lyrics Up
Aug 01st 2003
10
RE: R. Kelly Needs To Step His Lyrics Up
Aug 01st 2003
11
r kelly ruined r&b
Aug 01st 2003
12
Yup...
Aug 01st 2003
13
      sisqo just doin what robert started
Aug 01st 2003
14
           sisqo aint did SHIT like RKelly
Aug 01st 2003
15
           All I'm saying is...
Aug 01st 2003
16
                the thong song was the bomb..it succeeded in
Aug 01st 2003
18
                I like "the bitches" just fine...
Aug 01st 2003
22
                     when did club music have to be intellectual?
Aug 01st 2003
26
                          It doesn't have to be intellectual...
Aug 01st 2003
29
                          name one
Aug 01st 2003
58
                               religious love
Aug 01st 2003
81
                                    RE: religious love
Aug 04th 2003
183
                and u really made sense there
Aug 01st 2003
19
                     Duh? Wha?
Aug 01st 2003
23
           RE: sisqo just doin what robert started
Aug 01st 2003
32
                good call...you hit the head on the nail
Aug 01st 2003
35
r kelly is a clown man
Aug 01st 2003
17
you should get your IL license revoked
Aug 01st 2003
20
      hahaahhahahha
Aug 01st 2003
43
           *applauds*
Aug 01st 2003
46
           RE: *applauds*
Aug 01st 2003
47
                You broke it down...
Aug 01st 2003
51
                     RE: You broke it down...
Aug 01st 2003
52
           That my friend,
Aug 01st 2003
72
           what's wrong with formulaic? hell d got a formula
Aug 01st 2003
83
                Nothing but stay too long in your formula...
Aug 01st 2003
87
                     but what you fail to realize is r evolves every album
Aug 01st 2003
89
                          the point....
Aug 01st 2003
93
                          I never said he didn't evolve.
Aug 01st 2003
94
                          RE: but what you fail to realize is r evolves every alb
Aug 01st 2003
105
                               Oh no see, Scottie done beamed you the fuk up.
Aug 01st 2003
107
                               One more thing.
Aug 01st 2003
110
                                    BWAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Aug 02nd 2003
116
                                         RE: 105 - Yo, the children need guidance.
Aug 02nd 2003
122
           RE: hahaahhahahha
Aug 02nd 2003
149
                RE: hahaahhahahha
Aug 04th 2003
173
to those who say r kelly killed rnb, i ask how?
Aug 01st 2003
21
*pleads the 5th*
Aug 01st 2003
25
RE: to those who say r kelly killed rnb, i ask how?
Aug 01st 2003
28
well then, how did those elements kill rnb?
Aug 01st 2003
30
let's see
Aug 01st 2003
34
      Wonderful explanation...
Aug 01st 2003
36
      RE: let's see
Aug 01st 2003
48
      no soul?
Aug 01st 2003
49
           hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa
Aug 01st 2003
57
                whatever
Aug 01st 2003
63
                     sig worthy,
Aug 01st 2003
64
                          i was guessing around 75 minutes
Aug 01st 2003
65
Preach on 'block...
Aug 01st 2003
24
he did, both times
Aug 01st 2003
37
voodoo tour 2000
Aug 01st 2003
27
he ain't holdin' a match to none of rkelly's concerts
Aug 01st 2003
31
      did they call d'angelo to sing at the olympic openin'?
Aug 01st 2003
33
      RE: did they call d'angelo to sing at the olympic openi
Aug 01st 2003
41
      RE: did they call d'angelo to sing at the olympic openi
Aug 01st 2003
45
      LL was the first rapper to perform @ the white house.
Aug 01st 2003
77
      I've seen R. Kelly live...
Aug 01st 2003
38
           did you see his older concerts, before he got
Aug 01st 2003
39
                That's when I liked him...
Aug 01st 2003
40
                RE: did you see his older concerts, before he got
Aug 01st 2003
44
get outta bed with hiphop
Aug 01st 2003
42
i like this post...
Aug 01st 2003
53
RE: There ain't ENOUGH R. Kelly Fans in here
Aug 01st 2003
54
i'm sorry
Aug 01st 2003
55
I can't take it anymore...
Aug 01st 2003
56
FUCK RAKIM, what has HE done lately?
Aug 01st 2003
59
      don't yall realize d'angelo's lyrics are simple?
Aug 01st 2003
60
      nah
Aug 01st 2003
62
      RE: don't yall realize d'angelo's lyrics are simple?
Aug 01st 2003
67
      *blinks*
Aug 01st 2003
61
      RE: FUCK RAKIM, what has HE done lately?
Aug 02nd 2003
114
aww fuck off
Aug 01st 2003
66
haha...and there you have it, folks.
Aug 01st 2003
68
and d is a combo al green marvin gaye rip off
Aug 01st 2003
69
      RE: and d is a combo al green marvin gaye rip off
Aug 01st 2003
70
      Still...
Aug 01st 2003
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      RE: and d is a combo al green marvin gaye rip off
Aug 01st 2003
75
           donny hathaway? now i know you on that new crack
Aug 01st 2003
84
                Slow down doc.
Aug 01st 2003
86
                     one song shouldn't make you a great
Aug 01st 2003
90
                          Donny Hathaway was the Tupac Shakur of soul music.
Aug 01st 2003
96
                          RE: one song shouldn't make you a great
Aug 01st 2003
103
                          RE: one song shouldn't make you a great
Aug 02nd 2003
115
                               bein' the best singer don't mean you got the best
Aug 02nd 2003
118
                                    RE: bein' the best singer don't mean you got the best
Aug 02nd 2003
121
                                    I think Stevie...
Aug 02nd 2003
128
                                         RE: I think Stevie...
Aug 02nd 2003
139
                                    Damn you block I don't WANT to agree with you...
Aug 02nd 2003
126
RE: aww fuck off
Aug 01st 2003
71
You will be hard pressed
Aug 01st 2003
74
RE: You will be hard pressed
Aug 01st 2003
76
I meant to say the Remix my fault.
Aug 01st 2003
79
heh
Aug 01st 2003
78
      Wait
Aug 01st 2003
80
      How is Untitled so much better than R's work?
Aug 01st 2003
82
           exactly,,,,it was a prince rip off in every way
Aug 01st 2003
85
           again...this post is funny...
Aug 01st 2003
88
           RE: How is Untitled so much better than R's work?
Aug 01st 2003
101
                Are you trying to set some record...
Aug 02nd 2003
127
      Hey,
Aug 01st 2003
95
i used to be a huge R. Kelly fan
Aug 01st 2003
97
but i feel this way about d's music
Aug 01st 2003
100
      RE: but i feel this way about d's music
Aug 01st 2003
102
Von Clay supports this post
Aug 01st 2003
98
RE: R kellys for the simple, like baby food.
Aug 01st 2003
106
D wins: aint no contest.
Aug 01st 2003
108
fuck
Aug 01st 2003
111
please...
Aug 01st 2003
112
      RE: please...
Aug 02nd 2003
117
      chicken grease was lower than snake
Aug 02nd 2003
119
     
      Damn, did R pee on your sister's Boo-HOO-ty?
Aug 02nd 2003
124
           fuck it...
Aug 02nd 2003
160
                just because you POST here don't mean YOU
Aug 02nd 2003
161
but dangelo is a soul artist
Aug 02nd 2003
113
but soul IS rnb
Aug 02nd 2003
120
      RE: but soul IS rnb
Aug 02nd 2003
123
      I would say that's the other way around.
Aug 02nd 2003
125
      RE: but soul IS rnb
Aug 04th 2003
188
r kelly's 'NAKED' takes out 'untitled'
Aug 02nd 2003
131
im listening to thoia thoing for the first time
Aug 02nd 2003
133
that's why you ain't got no jawns...you can't 'preciat
Aug 02nd 2003
134
      this is getting laughable
Aug 02nd 2003
136
      No, that's why men don't know how to talk to women
Aug 02nd 2003
145
           Yeah R's subtlety(game) is weak.
Aug 02nd 2003
148
           Word
Aug 02nd 2003
153
yea sure.
Aug 02nd 2003
144
fact
Aug 02nd 2003
146
that put it in perspective.
Aug 02nd 2003
147
i know that's your boy and all, however
Aug 02nd 2003
150
so now Kelly can see D' on the keys, block?
Aug 02nd 2003
152
?uest and D supposedly have beef.
Aug 02nd 2003
156
Kelly ain't THAT nigga on the keys.
Aug 02nd 2003
157
i'm sure you didn't know
Aug 04th 2003
174
      i still call bias....ha
blocklove from the heavens above
Aug 04th 2003
177
      lost art of double talk
Aug 04th 2003
181
Of Course If You Put it Like That...
Aug 02nd 2003
154
7SHY baby, let go of d's cock
Aug 02nd 2003
158
      Dude, Whatever...
Aug 02nd 2003
165
           it was a joke, relax, and the reason why i say r
Aug 02nd 2003
166
RE: fact
Aug 02nd 2003
163
i just read the xxl with ron isley in it
Aug 02nd 2003
164
Now there's an old fool if I ever heard one.
Aug 02nd 2003
167
man, who is in that picture i posted?
Aug 02nd 2003
168
Now What Is Ron Smokin On????
Aug 04th 2003
171
RE: Now What Is Ron Smokin On????
Aug 04th 2003
185
RE: i just read the xxl with ron isley in it
Aug 04th 2003
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RE: i just read the xxl with ron isley in it
Aug 04th 2003
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RE: fact
Aug 04th 2003
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      RE: fact
Aug 04th 2003
180
r kelley writes songs for stupid people
Aug 02nd 2003
159
u r frontin'
Aug 03rd 2003
169
RE: r kelley writes songs for stupid people
Aug 04th 2003
172
up
blocklove from the heavens above
Aug 03rd 2003
170
this 2 funny!
Aug 04th 2003
178
dawg, c'mon now...
blocklove from the heavens above
Aug 04th 2003
179
      RE: dawg, c'mon now...
Aug 04th 2003
187
Ones too many if you ask me.....
Aug 04th 2003
186

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