ain't no fuckin' way d'angelo is more of an influence or does better music or even SINGS better than the R!

what's rnb without the R?

shit, last night's BET encore repeat of R Kelly's performance was better than any performance D'Angelo ever did

that nigga had to get naked just to sell voodoo.

but a true and correct one...

either on some talented tenth bs, or not even qualifying.

Because R. Doesn't have the okay status. There is not a single person who can deny what R has put out without lying to themselves.

Peace and Blessings
C.A.D 5000
" Loving da game you gave me, loving my name is AZ
Never sold millions, but fuck it I'm here to save the babies...."
- A.Z
From Wanna Be There

Avator courtesy of M (Good Looking Out!)

An now another great verse from the WU -
"Aiyyo strongarm that kid right there with wavy hair
Billy Johnson, snatched him out his whip in Times Square
Took his Pumas, nameplate, dude lost weight
Summer eighty-eight, started a fight, that can't wait
Ask Dorothy, same kid pussy up in Marsey
Blazin that Tad Rossi, up in the Marquis
He lost like a hundred ounces, Jake rushed his houses
Had him on the porch, ass no trousers
This souped up, individual stuck, the new stuff
Same kid cryin on the stand with Judge Cuffner
Kissed him with art num it's three to nine style
Before he left he flashin his face like Denzel
Richard Dale took his Beaver, off the wall pullin his whip
Mussy dropped and split his wig with the heater
His shape-up was all fucked up, as he had me laughin
God you see how he was laid out, in the grass
with dirt in his mouth, Slim woke him up told him he wild out
Blood leakin from his teeth he smiled like he gunned out
Big bolo, stackin his shit financed a Volvo
He copped his shit from a small, coffeeshop in SoHo
He still pussy, he sell his dust up on the Lower East
Posin like he rappin out..."
- Ghostface Killah
From Cash Still Rules/Scary Hours

this place would be off the chain....

but d'angelo makes good music to fuck to, so i won't hate

i like d'angelo, but he ain't as influential as r is

r kelly damn near writes standards! I believe i can fly? you are not alone?

what kind of pop or worldwide shit has d' wrote? okay, he did that you will know from jason's lyric, but since then what?

i was just pointing out that despite my preference for Awruh, i don't hate on D'Angelo because i can fuck to his music

...doesn't have anything to do with talent. Just ask Chingy.

You have to understand, D has this incredible, old school, gospel-tainted, smoky feel to his shit that you don't find too often nowadays. He consistently pumps out quality, shit; R. Kelley doesn't. I can put 'Voodoo' and 'Brown Suga' on cruise control; honestly, I can't say that I can do that with all of R. Kelly's albums including R., and that's his best album to date.

It's understandable why guys prefer R. over D because R.'s lyrical style is cruder and more obvious. D is more subtle, uses inuendos more, like jazz. It's almost like paying attention to detail.

With all that said, they're both talented in their own right, but I'd take D over R. anyday.

crude or not, but i've fast forwarded a few of d'angelo's too smooth sing for bitches songs.

...it's about perfecting your game to the point where you don't have to blatantly say, "I want to tear that ass up.", but projecting that same vibe to the listener by adding an "ooo" at the end of an inuendo, or letting the MUSIC speak for itself; which is why I like D`Angelo (and jazz) so much because his music can speak volumes without words.

don't get me wrong, d can go there. But he doesn't have to...

...enough ;).

Like I said, D can go there. But "Talk Shit 2 ya" doesn't count, because he only sings the chorus.

R. is Da Baddest Cat.He is the Modern Day Sam Cooke IMHO His VOice is a Instrument that can take a Song&Arrangement into so many different directions&yet never lost the Soul.

.

with influence.

D' has easily influnced more artists than R.

R is da King&Haters gotta Shake there Flakes away because R.Kelly Fans know what is up.I Mean R.Kelly has made History already.D'angelo is a Very Talented Cat but He ain't no R.He knows this as well.R is the kind of Cat that Blends with so many styles&Folks.Prolific&Productive.He is a Genius&is Da King.

*leaves post with disgusted look on face*


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

fuck was voodoo but a big intellectual musical piece of snobbery that nobody felt

one huge single, and that's only cuz he got naked in the video

isnt better than whatever you would call the worst song on voodoo

the root and spanish joint are the cuban linx's to r kelly's immobilarity

d'angelo ever wrote/performed

d'angelo WISHES he could craft a club banger, a ballad, a mid tempo, and a reflective song on one album

thats where he got em.

R got Him Beat in Songwriting School 101&a ton of other Cats.can't nobody touch the Pied Piper.

>d'angelo WISHES he could craft a club banger, a ballad, a
>mid tempo, and a reflective song on one album

you mean like
devils pie/chicken grease
untitled
the line/great day inna morning
africa/the root/spanish joint

oh, okay.

in contemporary clubs...maybe in those underground establishments you frequent, but i defy you to tell me these songs make the broads rush on the floor like thoia thoing or pick up the phone.

>devils pie/chicken grease

thought so.

my point is they could work

if people werent so willing to settle for weak shit

you said he wishes he could make that kind of a song, bringing his musicianship into question vs. r kelly's.

my point is he did make that kind of a song.

a tree falls in the forest, no one is around to hear it but it still made a sound

banger is?

devil's pie and chicken grease are NOT club bangers.

true, they maybe played in clubs, but they don't bang in the club

thoia thoing BANGS in the club, as well as snake

we're currently playing with semantics. the siongs i listed could bang in clubs, but everyone has a role from consumer to label to radio to dj

As much as I love his music, lyrics like "so funky someone farted" and "like two gorillas in the jungle making love" just don't cut it.

D'Angelo did change the game with Brown Sugar. He made record labels see that soul music does sell. However, the R has been the most consistent R&B artist for the past decade.

To me R is better.

R ain't being challenged by D.R is only being challenged by History&the Modern Era of Music He creates.

period

I was acually discussing this with a few friends yesterday. The question was "If R&B is dead, then who killed it?"

Sisqo was the first name thrown out...but we figured it was earlier.

R. Kelly became the general consensus.


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

.

...that "The Thong Song" is one of the worst songs in the history of music.

I laughed my ass off the first time I heard it cuz I really thought it was a joke...really.

When I found out it wasn't a joke, I wanted to cry.


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

gettin' people on the dance floor and infusin' some fun and silliness into lyrics

who says a song has to be serious and dealin' with love all the time

it was a gimmick song that got the bitches shakin' on the floor, and that's always good with me.

you must not like the bitches, mr. sharp

that, i see, is your problem

...but gimme a girl that can dance to that song cuz of the beat and make fun of how obviously bad the lyrics are at the same time...not some dumb bitch who thinks it's the greatest song since whatever horrible song she liked before that.

I'm a connoisseur of fine women just as much as I'm a connoisseur of fine music.


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

hell the beatles wrote some simple shit to and scored hits, but i don't hear you dissin' them...

he makes lyrics that makes kids run to their parents and say give me money so i can buy the r

i ain't mad at that

he makes music that makes the bitches shake on the dance floor

i definitely ain't mad at r for that

he makes some "deep" songs, or songs with substance to them as well

don't front...it's a stage in his career...he proved with loveland he could write deeper and more meaningful songs

sadly, the market ain't interested in that now.

...but it doesn't have to be nursery-rhyme-simple, either.

At this day in age, R. Kelly is making Justin Timberlake look like Smokey Robinson.

*ducks*


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

>he makes some "deep" songs, or songs with substance to them
>as well

i haven't heard one yet...

off or the self titled one

> off or the self titled one

Almost every breakup/bad situation/drama-based love song he has ever done is deep to me.

It has that "I'm speaking from experience" quality to it that endears folks to so much of the music from the 70s.

Now, you lose that when your stuff is a hit.

Folks didn't hate on Love And Happiness because folks played the hell out of it. And that song wasn't outlandishly wordy or anything. It had a subtle depth to it that folks appreciate from certain cats, but Kelly doesn't have the advantage of being one of them.

Maybe its because some of Kelly's songs really are on the surface, which only became a bad thing about 10 years ago.

If you want to say "I Love you, baby", you can't just say it now. I don't like that.

I'm not saying that everything has to be as surface as Kelly's most notorious material, but gees. Folks act like your songs have to be harder to crack than website passwords for them to be 'deep'.

Jimaveli

"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

>.

Sisqo is a low-budget K-Ci from Jodeci who apparently didn't know it.

Most semi-recent R&B groups take certain elements of Jodeci (and/or Boyz to Men) and try to milk it.

Be clear. Kelly started nothing.

R Kelly started as a Teddy Riley cloaner and a Becoming Aaron Hall winner before finding a bit of himself and adding elements Ron Isley, Al Green, and Marvin Gaye (and several others) to it.

Riley had big hands in with Bobby Brown and Keith Sweat. Both cats had big hands in taking R&B from the late 80s into the 90s.

R just took what they had and expanded at the right time with the right look on his face with the right label support.

While folks were getting caught in the limiting boxes, Kelly was basically doing what he wanted musically.

Some folks with the power to compete against him squandered their chances by trying to beat R at what became his own game.

The others did't have enough material or they started thinking too much (Maxwell and D'Angelo).

Either way...

If he was as wack as some say, he would have fell off a long time ago if for no other reason than his highly public personal problems.

Kelly didn't kill R&B.

Hell, he's damn near carrying it and making it look easy.

While a D'Angelo curls up in a corner somewhere complaining, Kelly can be in the middle of a personal crisis (self-inflicted, but still) and still come up with and release half a hundred songs in less than two years (counting production credits).

If R&B 'dies', it will be because no one else could/would do anything besides try to beat Kelly while only catering to one area of his catalog (the I Want You - R. Kelly edition section).

He's not flawed enough to be easily toppable. Obviously.

Jimaveli

.....

i can't believe a chitown nigga said that

hey...how is it that some chicago niggas (not sayin u) will shit on u if u support common but think u a piece of shit if u dont support r kelly and twista? i been dealing wit that shit for years.... why dont them niggas buy commons records? anyway...to get to u....

i just think he makes dumb music. words wise. hes not wack... but i do think his words are rediculous at times....

u cant tell me 2 gorills in the jungle...... is a dope lyric? its actually comical. does not belong in a song. i went to a club and seen hoes shakin they ass to his stuff. im like damn... this aint half bad. so i went to the library and got his cd. i burned it...fount it was the clean version... i was pissed. but...

i actually liked his cd. it was pretty good.... but take it for what it is....

i dont expect 50 cent to make music like stop the violence or some shit like that... and i dont expect r kelly to make music that has smart lyrics. hes an ok singer. hes a great producer... but hes also a clown (for his lyrics and his interivew with ed gordon).

its wrong to compare d and r. like i told stacyadams. its like comparing mos def to jay z. they are both dope....but do 2 different things. like saying shaq is a better player than allen iverson..NO.... they play the same game...but 2 different positions. same with r & d.

they dont have the same audience. not right to compare. if u ask me.. i'll say d'angelo is better. more musical. better lyrics. more soulful. but thats just me. d should be compared to cats like bilal or dwele or maxwell some shit. r should be compared to niggas like sisqo or any of them other clowns they play on 106 & park.

i speaketh the troof......

"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

huh? lol what i do?

...like I couldn't.

Take a bow, will ya?


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

ok got u. thank u!

was the truck that sent the dead horse to the glue factory.

However, I'll say this in defense of R and D. They are EQUALLY as musical.

I.E. When I was in job corps and played Voodoo for this white boy he came back from the weekend with a beatles track that played the guitar sequence backwards in the same manner that D did with THE ROOT.

Plus not working with as many individual producers that D is, yet he doesn't wait every five years to put his shit out.

But in defense of D, that pays off because his joints sound more acoustic, and not every song sounds the same. And Block you CAN'T say that R's production doesn't come off as formulaic with his wanna be Ernie Isley guitar synthesizer.

every producer and musician got a formula

some you here more than others dependin' on how in demand their sound is

see early timbaland and the neptunes

all music creators follow some sort of formula in makin' their joints

and your music will sound the same.

Flood the airwaves with it and the crowd'll grow tired of it.

And if the crowd gets their hands on a fresher newer formula, game over for you because all you know is your style of music.

Experimentation is just as necessary as catering to what the masses want, imo. Moreso, even.
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from his days to public announcement till now, no 2 albums sound exactly the same.

it may have some of the same themes, but he's constantly evolvin' and adaptin' to the times

the kids want a rnb thug, he gives it to them, not what he wants them to have

that's a good artist, one that listens to the fans, not dictates

>>the kids want a rnb thug, he gives it to them, not what he
>wants them to have

Rich can't HELP but cater to children....

...now i really feel sorry for him...wait...no i don't....

and that DOESN'T make him a good artist, just a dumb one...(like the temptations waiting for the copa to reopen)


oh yeah...goodnight...(seriously)

It's just that his albums usually reflect the sounds and lyrics that are already in style rather than making trailblazing advances to lead the way and DIRECT the style, like say them virginia producers.

R got the Game on Lock.He Blends far more styles than Michael Jackson&Prince have been able to do over the past 15 years Combined.they each should call the Pied Piper to get a Hit back.R.brings Da Pain&is Da Kang of Modern R&B&is gonna only enhance His Game.

to compare R Kelly to Michael OR Prince at ANY point in their careers, you must be toking that hi powered san andreas crack.

Please believe Prince is your favorite producer's, favorite producer. Just ask Pharrell. Or Timb.

But then to add injury to insult, to even throw Micheal's name in the mix? Nigga you done bumped yo' head.

I won't go into the numerous accomplishments of micheal because honestly I can't name them all, see ?uesto or one of these industry insiders that peek in and out of the Lesson on a daily.

We'll just say this.
Mike worked with THE BEST.
Berry Gordy...
Quincy Jones...
Smokey Robinson...
Leon Ware...
I'm sure he crossed paths with Rick Rubin too...but you should get the drift because the list goes on and on.

He also happens to be the Rosa Parks of Music Videos. But I'm sure you unnastand why I say this.

You had the nerve to use the word "HIT" and Micheal like as if he DIDN'T write the BOOK on how to sell records.

There was this album he dropped, called "Thriller", that had mo' hits on it than .

To sum it up Micheal Jackson is just about the Bill Gates of R&B.

Stick with me kid, I'll take you under wing.

at least I think so
He Blends far more styles than
Michael Jackson&Prince have been able to do over the past 15
years Combined.

they each should call the Pied Piper to get a
Hit back.

You are not alone. written by R. Kelly.
Michael's most sappy hit record since yeah......
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> at least I think so
>He Blends far more styles than
>Michael Jackson&Prince have been able to do over the past 15
>years Combined.

This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard on this board.

R Kelly blends more styles than Prince?

That makes no sense at all.

I like some of R Kelly's stuff but damn, people get so offended that others don't like him that they start talking out of their ass more than the haters do.

Shaun G.

>i speaketh the troof......


hell yeah you do.


perfectly said.

thank u lol

seriously how did he kill rnb?

I'll let My Sp1200 handle this one...he started it.

I'm sick of arguing about R. Kelly anyway...it's a waste of my time.


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

the 80's Cross-Over&New Jack Swing Killed off R&B.R.Kelly is a throw-Back Artist IMHO who blends all elements.

what was rnb before?

doesn't music and it's production evolve with the times?

songs, though similar, were not constructed the same as they did in the 50's, 60's, and 70's

new sounds arose, new machines to make those sounds, and new listeners and new audience

yall act like music is supposed to be static...that leads to stagnancy.

crappy lyrics -- name one moving, non-cheesy song he's written. ONE!

no soul -- his cover of "sadie" doesn't count 'cause the spinners did it first

no BLUES in r&B

making the isley brothers embarasssing to listen to

...honestly, i don't think he killed r&b, but he certainly didn't help it at all.

I will now refer all of my questions as to why R. Kelly killed R&B to this post right here.


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

>crappy lyrics -- name one moving, non-cheesy song he's
>written. ONE!
>
>no soul -- his cover of "sadie" doesn't count 'cause the
>spinners did it first
>
>no BLUES in r&B
>
>making the isley brothers embarasssing to listen to
>

I dunno..

The Isleys have had some comical lyrics before. I'd argue that Kelly probably gets the corny and semi-comical elements of his writing from the cornier Isley stuff.

"Pop that thang (pop noise)..Bang bang bang" is a pretty embarrassing lyric from the Isleys, and Kelly didn't have a thing to do with that one.

"Put yo' lovin in the layaway.."

We can keep going...

Jimaveli
>...honestly, i don't think he killed r&b, but he certainly
>didn't help it at all.

you got a fucked up definition of soul then. when he isn't making corny club shit like snake and fiesta, the man oozes soul. and he even throws some soul into some of the club shit, like ignition rmx.

>you got a fucked up definition of soul then.

soul to me is something that touches the....soul. something that makes me cry, tapping into that energy that you can't explain. making pain and love feel like the same thing. some soulful shit is like "all that i got is you", "a change gonna come" or "the root'".

when he isn't
>making corny club shit like snake and fiesta, the man oozes
>soul. and he even throws some soul into some of the club
>shit, like ignition rmx.

yeah "after the show it's the AFTER PARTY/and after the party it's the HOTEL LOBBY!" OOOOOOOH, my aching heart!!! i feel sooo much love!

"it's the remix to ignition/hoppin' straight out the kitchen"--did he just TELL me it's the remix? like i couldn't FEEL it for myself with all the soul oozing from the speakers?!?!??!?

maybe the sonics are soulful, but i have a hard time feeling anything from tinny-ass quantized drums and a thin ass string synth.

>>you got a fucked up definition of soul then.
>
>soul to me is something that touches the....soul. something
>that makes me cry, tapping into that energy that you can't
>explain. making pain and love feel like the same thing.
>some soulful shit is like "all that i got is you", "a change
>gonna come" or "the root'".

how objective. personally, the root bores me. does that mean it doesn't have soul, because it doesn't "tap into that energy" for me? as for r kelly songs in this vein, try "i wish" or "heart of a woman" or "when a woman's fed up"

>when he isn't
>>making corny club shit like snake and fiesta, the man oozes
>>soul. and he even throws some soul into some of the club
>>shit, like ignition rmx.
>
>yeah "after the show it's the AFTER PARTY/and after the
>party it's the HOTEL LOBBY!" OOOOOOOH, my aching heart!!!
>i feel sooo much love!
>
>"it's the remix to ignition/hoppin' straight out the
>kitchen"--did he just TELL me it's the remix? like i
>couldn't FEEL it for myself with all the soul oozing from
>the speakers?!?!??!?

let's get it on
oh baby
let's get it on
let's love baby
let's get it on
sugar
let's get it on

wow, what an incredibly deep statement marvin is making. what do you think he wants to do? do you think he wants to get it on? i'm not sure. i guess since these lyrics look corny, marvin has no soul.

>maybe the sonics are soulful, but i have a hard time feeling
>anything from tinny-ass quantized drums and a thin ass
>string synth.

yeah, what i love is 70 minutes of handclaps, mumbled vocals, and no discernable melodies. my favorite cd: Voodoo!

>yeah, what i love is 70 minutes of handclaps, mumbled
>vocals, and no discernable melodies. my favorite cd:
>Voodoo!

it was 78 minutes though, right, or was this before they expanded the time on writable cd's?

but then i subtracted 5 minutes for "how does it feel", since that song has structure and understandable lyrics

I'm witcha. Havin 2 albums in 10 years ain't shit. It ain't even like they were all that, puttin 4-5 years into an album, you oughta have a god damn masterpiece.

with 70+ hours of shit to spare for voodoo.

>shit, last night's BET encore repeat of R Kelly's
>performance was better than any performance D'Angelo ever
>did

did you go to any of d's shows during the voodoo tour? he funked that shit up for 3 hours straight, every night. those two shows i attended were the best damn concerts i've ever been to.

or performances

dude has to get naked, for fuck sake!

how is that better than what r does?

no

so to all those that say r can't sing, what?

first of all, i think r. has an excellent voice.

but as for his olympic gig, that's because of his "like me like me" PR posture. and that's his reasoning for sacrificing true soul into his music and making easily digestible crap. very hoeish, if you ask me. but hey, he does have a knack for tapping into pop record buyers' heads and making it. in the end, d' could give a fuck about what people think of his shit. dude went on mtv and did "devil's pie", a 5% anthem!!!

R. Left D'angelo way back when.D'angelo is a Very Talented Cat but He had to strip down to Push a Tribute Song&Make a Video to push His Mumblings&couldn't push the Record.Live is where D truly shines but if you don't have songs to sell then what's gonna happen to you? also D up there on stage with Tom Jones is arguably the worst thing He could have doen so soon in His Career IMHO.R. done did so much it ain't even funny.R flipping traks for MJ,Quincy,Celine Dion,JAy Z,Nas,Isley brothers,etc.. I Mean the Cat Covers Era of People&different Styles.can D make that Claim? HELL NAW! that is why R can't be faded&we ain't even talking about Acts He Wrote&Produced on Directly or even his Own Catelog.how many Folks have a Sylenna Johnson track to Boot after Hitting with B2k&Ayaliyah 10 years back with Sparkle somewhere in Between? nobody can Mess with the R.

Nuff said.

...and I wasn't too impressed at all...

...especially when he started doing that half singin/half rappin thing he does acapella where he talks about how much of an "R&B thug" he is...dude's such a clown.


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

thugged out?

you can't front on your body's callin' me and that whole era

even the self titled album was killin' it. if i, the down low remixes...he made ronald isley relevant again to a younger generation not in tune with him.

You're right...I can't front on the stuff he put out in that era...I used to LOVE the self-titled album. Hell...I even loved "I Believe I Can Fly".

As far as his recent stuff though...hot garbage.


"I've been to jail overnight for putting a sticker on a phone booth...Now in the time y'all did that paperwork...How many did the rapists murk?"
--Aesop Rock

Listen to me @ http://www.mp3.com/Al_Sharp

aim: cflartey

Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

he made ronald isley relevant again to a
>younger generation not in tune with him.

yes. i.e. dumbing down ronald isely and stripping him completely of soul so he can make crappy, pseudo-dramatic garbage for teeny boppers. it's embarassing!!!

and leave Ron Isley alone and THEN talk to me about how dope he is...

besides, D'angelo's MTV Award performance of 'Devil's Pie' trumps ANYTHING Mr. Kelly could muster on a live stage...

>ain't no fuckin' way d'angelo is more of an influence or
>does better music or even SINGS better than the R!
>

>what's rnb without the R?
>
BETTER....look @ R Kelly influenced material....the man has a gift, but he makes bullshit most of the time..."ignition" is cool and so is some of his work, but most of the stuff he does for the isley's and many other artists, if not all, is trash....

d'angelo has 10-20 songs that easily blow most if not all of kelly's catalog outta tha water...(the only really great R song i can think of is "i believe i can fly"....the rest is second rate Loverman shit...)
>shit, last night's BET encore repeat of R Kelly's
>performance was better than any performance D'Angelo ever
>did
>
>that nigga had to get naked just to sell voodoo.

actually voodoo sold off 4 things (well 2 are the sme....)

untitled
the untitled video
the fans who expected "brown sugar 2" (most of em)
the fact it's a good album...

personally, i don't even put them in the same category.

r. kelly is a great songwriter. but as far as his lyrics....many times they are god awful. too elementary. simple is fine, but when his shit is corny....damn. he tops the list for that. you are foolin yourself if you say otherwise. but this, does not have to take away from what he has already done or is still doing. not only has he put out some solid material for himself, he has for others as well. and he has a fairly diverse repertoire. r.kelly's voice has more range to it than d's. but i prefer d'angelo's vocal arrangements better in the area of multi-tracking his voice. which is not an easy thing to do.

d'angelo in my opinion is more of a craftsman. sometimes to a fault. but i dig most of his music. to me, his music has more depth and like r.kelly has some great jams to have sex to. but the list is almost non=existent for him as far as a jam you can party to. but i don't know if that has ever been his focus. i'm not in a position to answer that.

ERIC LEEDS: "The N.E.W.S. took as long as the CD is! P counted it off, gave us a key and we just played. At the end of it, I packed up my horns and went home. Now that's my idea of a session."

RHONDA: "There weren't overdubs with N.E.W.S, we just hit it!"

RHONDA: RHONDA: "Yes, N.E.W.S was improvised."

but D' IS a better singer

producer? maybe not, R. Kelly is more of a veteran

but D' has him on the vocal tip


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I wish y'all would stop referring to R. Kelly as "The R".

It's disrespectful to Rakim.


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Illgaluminati...We'll be waiting...with a gun and a pack of sandwiches.

yeah i said it

R. Kelly is from here on out the R

hell rakims birth name ain't even rakim...it's william

and what the fuck is that shit on voodoo that he calls singin'

sounds like stutterin' to me

.... may be simple...but he rarely gets rediculous....

D'angelo ain't that deep as a Writer.He is about Groove&Feeling But as a Writer He ain't that deep&Vocally He has feeling in His voice but Blial matches Him.i think D is very talented but He has His Limits like All others.

Essaywhuman?!?


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>yeah i said it
>
>R. Kelly is from here on out the R
>
>hell rakims birth name ain't even rakim...it's william

it doesnt matter what rakim's done lately. just cos james brown hasnt done shit in decades, does that mean we shouldnt call him the godfather of soul or soul brother number one? No.

dude is a wackass teddy riley rip-off

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i rather have the original

>i rather have the original

yeah for sure... i don't like d either

Would you rather listen to Al Green and Marvin Gaye...or Teddy Riley?

Dumb question.


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if D had more reach He could be on a Donny Hathaway vibe but He hasn't allowed himself enough reach thus far IMHO.

he don't even come close

hell if *I* reached i could *think* i would be close to donny hathaway, but that don't make it so in the public eyes

yall elevate his non recordin' ass to mythic proposals, d'angelo that is

and donny hathaway "wasn't" that good...his solo shit rarely hit, everybody wanted to hear the duets he did with roberta over his solo work

yeah he was talented, but he ain't have what stevie and his peers had, and that was a connection with the MASSES through his songs.

Donny got mass appeal off the dick with The Ghetto.

Plus no other R&B artist out during that decade would have DARED think of covering Marvin's What's Going On.

And if they WERE so brazen to as even DREAM of doing it LIVE they would have waken up and sent an apology letter to Marvin and Berry.

And Donny pulled that shit the FUCK OFF.
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i ain't say he wasn't talented, but he wasn't no stevie wonder, a musical genius WITH mass appeal and soul

donny was just haunting...that's his only appeal to this generation of listeners now...from his strange habits to his lurid and mysterious death

And vice versa.

Immense potential.

Didn't ruin his style by OVERTHINKING a topic, and still had the words had MUCH Impact on the listener.

Has so many sons in the game copying his style.

Mastered his delivery. Stage presence.

And you can't really be a fan of his musical genre unless acknowledge his impact on it.

Donny had just as much soul as Stevie. He used them down home blues WAY more than Stevie did.

Stevie at the time was the mad scientist with Soul merging it with er'ythang he could get his hands on from Afro Cuban to Country to Disco.

>donny was just haunting...that's his only appeal to this
>generation of listeners now...from his strange habits to his
>lurid and mysterious death

It wouldn't have anything to do with him making good music that people could relate to, huh, Block? We're just enthralled with the aesthetic huh?

Relax, log off, go out and buy you a drink Professor Xavier. You proved ya point.

Donny was deep&in another Era He would have Been bigger but the Competition was so Fierce that the 2nd&3rd Tier acts of the Day back then would be unstoppable today.Donny was scary.the cat made a Helluva TV Jam out of "Maude"&He had a Helluva Imoact on Leroy Hutson's Career&Vibe.Donny is the only cat I can say did a Marivn Gaye Cover as well as Marvin with His Live take of "What's Going On" IMHO.Donny was the truth.

>i ain't say he wasn't talented, but he wasn't no stevie
>wonder, a musical genius WITH mass appeal and soul
>
>donny was just haunting...that's his only appeal to this
>generation of listeners now...from his strange habits to his
>lurid and mysterious death

he was one of the best singers ever in soul music, thats his appeal.

and dangelo, good as he might be, doesnt have half the vocal strength of donny hathaway.

material to sing

that was donny's problem...lackluster material, compared to his contemporaries

>material to sing
>
>that was donny's problem...lackluster material, compared to
>his contemporaries

fine, i kinda agree (wouldnt call it lackluster though - it wasnt often THAT bad), but when he did have great songs (see his live album), he was unstoppable. but what you said was:

>i ain't say he wasn't talented, but he wasn't no stevie
>wonder, a musical genius WITH mass appeal and soul
>
>donny was just haunting...that's his only appeal to this
>generation of listeners now...from his strange habits to his
>lurid and mysterious death

you might as well have said he wasnt shit and if he hadnt died, noone would have given a shit.

stevie didnt have the best voice out of his contemporaries; but his songwriting skills made up for that. its unfair to compare people with stevie anyway, he was in a class of his own. and who cares if donnie had mass appeal or not. neither did shuggie otis but he still wrote songs like 'strawbery letter 23'.

...DID have the best voice out of his contemporaries.

Dude's voice was so slick.


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>...DID have the best voice out of his contemporaries.
>
>Dude's voice was so slick.

hmmmm. i wouldnt call it slick. glenn lewis, now he is slick.

But you're looking at this Wholistically obviously as far as talent and impact in the game.

donny's only prob to me was that his singles tended to be moody, like Roberta, like Randy Crawford, and in the mid/late seventies, I don't think that ppl wanted to hear that.

One could argue that's how it always is but then they would have to look at Sade's success in the 80's early nineties.

But as an arranger Donny was trying to follow in stevie's footsteps, much like R did with Teddy riley at one time.
Listen to "Magdalena" and you'll hear the evidence for that statement.

and when was the last time Teddy Riley had a Hit&also when was the last time Teddy Riley Mattered???I dug Teddy alot still&He is Bad when he was banging out Jams But R.Left His Ass way back when.Teddy had Jams but couldn't write nor Sing&also Messed up having a Empire with Aaron Hall&Dave Hollister.Teddy had runs with Guy&BlackStreet&still found a Way to FUck Shit Up.Teddy should have been where Puffy,Jermaine Dupri,Dr.Dre,Babyface&R.Kelly got&Been on the same mention list as Dr.Dre,Babyface&R.Kelly instead of on the outside looking in.

To find a D'Angelo track that is more universal than

Step in the Name of Love

it crosses so many boundaries, you can do anything to it.

Play it in an elevator

Chill mode with ya girl yet still

Set OFF a party

Relax at an after work party.

or just relax

And I'll put ANY amount of money that
Ten years from now, you'll hear bitch ass contemporary jazz artists doing covers of it.

So please D supporters. Don't embarass yaselves by saying D is more "musical" than R. This track is proof that R pays just as much attention to the smaller details as D does.

and The Re-Mix to "Step in the Name of Love" is even more Soulful&Rich with the Motown Brass&String Section on board.D wishes He could write a cut like that&more importantly He wishes He could blend things like Robert Kelly does.once again ain't nobody in R's Class&level out now&R.'s only challenge is the Past with a Modern Flavor&Vibe.

But yeah, R is at his APEX musically now.

D' has all the tools to do this but I think his REAL problem?
Well, with no disrespect to anyone on this site,
R has been growing as an artist with Ronald Isley, working with him in the studios. That man has been in the business what? FORTY YEARS. So we can say he's learning from the Journeymen.

D' has been growing as an artist with
Prince.
Saddiq.
The Roots.
Dilla.

They all have produced mega hits Sol, so how is this a relevant?

Saddiq and Dilla notwithstanding, their work has always seemed more prioritized on experimentation and advancing their respective genres rather than succumbing to popular demand and risk stagnation. And this is a good thing because they come up with treats.

However, R. seems to have realized the limits of creativity that he can express in his work and still maintain mass appeal.

D' was well on his way to this on the first joint. But I think it was a thing whereas his work started reflecting more of the qualities of abstract hiphop than that sound the crowd was comfortable listening to.

...that's a nice bonus to a song...but it means NOTHING to a song's greatness...

a man's world
respect
uptight
hey jude
my adidas
ain't no half steppin
ladies first
i will always love you
etc etc...

these are all GREAT songs, and their strength isn't in their versatility(sp?), it's in their timelessness, message (for some) and universal impact...i like "step" but other than dancing it has no rest value, much less elevator music (who writes to do that anyway (money aside)??)...so it's not even that versatile...and for every great song R does, he has 1o stupid ones

btw...R will never top "untitled" (unless you count 'i believe i can fly').....and there are more...

and that shit don't even get no play anymore

it was fly by night...without the video, the song was worthless

BUT...i'm sitting here wondering why i'm talking about the fallacies of either artist on a nice Fri night....

..i'm not gonna change your opinion, neither you mine...i like mike, you like rich...let's move on....these two men aren't even concerned with each other...why are we trying to make that so??

goodnight...

R could do that song in His Sleep.

...for the most bold, bullshit statements in one post?

Cuz I think you're almost there.

Two or three more should do it.


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True, for every good song he does, there's an infinite number of garbation songs to follow, but look at Prince.

I love Prince myself, but any big Prince fan aside from the ones on NPG.com has to admit he's released a daunting amount of shameful material in his day.

They're just both consummate creationists, constantly making new music, expressing themselves in new ways, and with someone like that, I think you have to allow some leway.

but i look for different things from R.Kelly than from D'Angelo. Or Dru Hill, Jaheim, name-the-r&b-thug-of-the-moment.

i think R.Kelly has a great work ethic, i think he's grown a lot since he first came out. but really, r.kelly and d are in two different stratospheres.

d'angelo is better for intense love-makin'; even though he's produced sporadically, he's still more consistently complex than R.Kelly has really shown the world he can be.

there's an understated genius in R.Kelly that i think people are blowing up for lack of an alternative. they wanna make him soul man number 1 because he's got decent production and a heap of talent. it's a sad state about what r&b listeners will stand for these days.

his music is great the way a spontaneous fuck is great - it feels really amazing the first time you experience it and over time, in retrospect, you think to yourself..."that could've been a little bit tighter."

it
>feels really amazing the first time you experience it and
>over time, in retrospect, you think to yourself..."that
>could've been a little bit tighter."

it's like i listen to voodoo and think, we waited all this time for THIS?

very Talented Cat but R.Kelly got layers of Grooves&vibe way over Him.

to the fullest. R. Kelly is better than any R&B artist anyone can bring up from the past 10 years. Prove me wrong. I'm not even an R&B cat but people on this site are in denial.

R kellys not even a R&B/ soul artist, how the hell can you compaire him to D'Angalo?
He's the male Brittany Spears!

D brings it like kelly can't. kelly doesn't have the range (vocally) or emotional depth to his music like D does. granted, he can make uplifting anthems *i wish* *worlds greatest* but he has to have a choir behind him. and sure, he can make a club cut *ignition* *fiesta* but its more cuz of beats or costars that the song is tight. i ain't saying kelly killed it, but as far as a contest between the two, D wins.

and plus, D hasn't been acused of any serious crimes recently....

i'm not even takin sides, but all this d'angelo dick riding has to stop, i mean cmon, the dude has 2 classic albums, and what else? let's see, u have a combined 23 songs, yet i can probably name that many great kelly songs as well....y'all actin like d'angelo is god or something, shit well i can tell u he's less influential than kelly...in 5 yrs, u ask 10 random ppl, 8 will kno who r.kelly is, but only 4 will kno who d'angelo is

i kno i sounded like a d'angelo hater, but i'm not, just tellin u the facts

i love both d & kelly's music, but some ppl r just too biased..fuck that

the R slob knobbing is ridiculous... one poster dissed donnie hathaway, another Rakim, and yet another MJ and prince...all over R...that's what's crazy....and i don't any stretching like that for D....so that part of your argument is moot...

what people (ie the majority) will remember...is mostly bullshit...my moms saw 'here my dear' in my collection and called it marvin worst work and talked about how nobody liked it when it came out....yet later, music intel realized how valuable the album was...fuck what the average consumer thinks...that's just for selling records, which R does well...but artistry and lasting critical praise, by people in your genre, is WAAAY more important....btw...who's seriously bumpin "half on a baby", "feelin on yo booty" "seems like you're ready" "gotham city" "i believe i can fly" "you remind me of my jeep" "your body's callin"(ok...maybe..i can't remember the lyrics) ANY of that Mr biggs shit (i wouldn't be able to stop laffin..neither would ny lady) etc....most of his stuff is wack, and you already said D has 2 classics...

i need to stop comin in here though.... this comparision, argument, and the "slobbering" support for R dictate this is fruitless...

>most of his stuff is wack, and you
>already said D has 2 classics...

basically i don't agree with this...my beef isn't with those that thinks d'angelo is better, but with those that thinks kelly ISN'T talented in any way, that he's a shit song writer, all that shit

yes kelly has put out some shitty songs in his career, and i honestly say d'angelo hasn't made somethin as low as "snake", but most of kelly's songs AREN'T wack...take chocolate factory for example, take out the latin-sounding ones out, u have a great album....can u honestly tell me that "step in the name of love (& remix)", "forever more", "dream girl" are wack? and on the bonus disk, title track "loveland" is just hotness.... now his song writing might be cliched, but it doesn't mean it's bad, he HAS written gems like "when a woman's fed up", "i believe i can fly" etc ya kno

plus ppl said kelly hasn't made a song like "untitled", well imo d'angelo hasn't made a song like "if i could turn back the hands of time" either...and they won't, coz they're totally different like reply 113 said...

basically, when it comes down to it, some ppl r givin kelly way too little credit, and some even implied he is a clown and all that shit...quit lyin to urself man...shit

i
>honestly say d'angelo hasn't made somethin as low as
>"snake",

visibility.

If we saw/heard Kweli or Pharoah Monch or D'Angelo all the damn time like folks see and hear an R Kelly or a JayZ, we'd all have stronger critiques.

Almost every artist has some sort of shortcomings. Almost every one of them.

The more you see an artist, the more folks tend to notice and/or exaggerate those shortcomings.

Kelly is it when it comes to R&B and visibility. When he comes out, he comes out with a slew of songs, remixes, guest spots, production, etc. He damn near takes over BET and the radio, so folks can tend to get tired of him.

Folks got tired of Al Green in the 70s, too.

It took them longer, but they kinda got tired of the Isleys for a little bit, too.

And folks never really 'got' Marvin and they abandoned him as soon as they couldn't take one of his songs as a random bedroom anthem.

Really...Kelly is about as close as anyone is to being a 'soul' artist in the same vein as an Isley Brothers or Marvin Gaye or Al Green.

He does a lot of the songs that folks 'say' they want as well as the uptempo 'club' songs that are now viewed as punishable even if they work with the club crowd.

The club crowd gets to the store quicker than the 'complainer' group, so Kelly releases singles for the club about half the time.

He doesn't have to do The Belle Album to be credible just because he's highly popular. Folks who sale less records "sell-out" more often than Kelly.

Jimaveli

>>most of his stuff is wack, and you
>>already said D has 2 classics...
>
>basically i don't agree with this...my beef isn't with those
>that thinks d'angelo is better, but with those that thinks
>kelly ISN'T talented in any way, that he's a shit song
>writer, all that shit
>
>yes kelly has put out some shitty songs in his career, and i
>honestly say d'angelo hasn't made somethin as low as
>"snake", but most of kelly's songs AREN'T wack...take
>chocolate factory for example, take out the latin-sounding
>ones out, u have a great album....can u honestly tell me
>that "step in the name of love (& remix)", "forever more",
>"dream girl" are wack? and on the bonus disk, title track
>"loveland" is just hotness.... now his song writing might be
>cliched, but it doesn't mean it's bad, he HAS written gems
>like "when a woman's fed up", "i believe i can fly" etc ya
>kno
>
>plus ppl said kelly hasn't made a song like "untitled", well
>imo d'angelo hasn't made a song like "if i could turn back
>the hands of time" either...and they won't, coz they're
>totally different like reply 113 said...
>
>basically, when it comes down to it, some ppl r givin kelly
>way too little credit, and some even implied he is a clown
>and all that shit...quit lyin to urself man...shit

>the R slob knobbing is ridiculous... one poster dissed
>donnie hathaway, another Rakim, and yet another MJ and
>prince...all over R...that's what's crazy....and i don't any
>stretching like that for D....so that part of your argument
>is moot...

I agree with this. But you shot yourself in the foot later with the same bias.

>what people (ie the majority) will remember...is mostly
>bullshit...my moms saw 'here my dear' in my collection and
>called it marvin worst work and talked about how nobody
>liked it when it came out....yet later, music intel realized
>how valuable the album was...fuck what the average consumer
>thinks...

Music Intel's opinion holds more weight than the people (ie the majority)? I'm simple please explain? While, you're at it, please explain why you think you ARE NOT the average consumer.

But to prove how bullshit that was tell me,
which marvin album can you honestly say will be remembered more by music intel?
What's Going On or Here My Dear?
Once you're done with that...tell me this...
which marvin album will be remembered more by fans?


that's just for selling records, which R does
>well...but artistry and lasting critical praise, by people
>in your genre, is WAAAY more important....

So musicians should arrange and compose to garner the praise of other musicians only? I quit the guitar years ago, Why should I be left out?

>btw...who's
>seriously bumpin "half on a baby", "feelin on yo booty"
>"seems like you're ready" "gotham city" "i believe i can
>fly" "you remind me of my jeep" "your body's
>callin"(ok...maybe..i can't remember the lyrics)

Please don't turn this into a popularity contest. D won't win it. Seems like you're ready, Honey love, Your Body's calling, Twelve Play, R has so many slow jam CLASSICS on his resume that D' just can't compare.

While One Mo' Gin might work better for listeners like say you or I, making a statement like the previous is just as biased as dissing Michael or Prince.

ANY of that
>Mr biggs shit

Contagious was a wonderful song you were just over exposed to it. Radio got you thinking the shit was wack.

(i wouldn't be able to stop laffin..neither
>would ny lady) etc....most of his stuff is wack,
and you already said D has 2 classics...

So does R... Twelve Play and Chocolate Factory.

>>the R slob knobbing is ridiculous... one poster dissed
>>donnie hathaway, another Rakim, and yet another MJ and
>>prince...all over R...that's what's crazy....and i don't any
>>stretching like that for D....so that part of your argument
>>is moot...
>
>I agree with this. But you shot yourself in the foot later
>with the same bias.
>
>>what people (ie the majority) will remember...is mostly
>>bullshit...my moms saw 'here my dear' in my collection and
>>called it marvin worst work and talked about how nobody
>>liked it when it came out....yet later, music intel realized
>>how valuable the album was...fuck what the average consumer
>>thinks...
>
>Music Intel's opinion holds more weight than the people (ie
>the majority)? I'm simple please explain? While, you're at
>it, please explain why you think you ARE NOT the average
>consumer.
>
the first part of your statement is follied by the lesson itself, in which people who KNOW music talk about it, and many musicians and indusrty folks come to hear what THEY have to say....popularity brings you money, but respect is another thing...and what makes me an average consumer...in this post, the popularity issue makes R kelly the average person's choice over D...i choose D...that makes me the unaverage....for starters...

>But to prove how bullshit that was tell me,
>which marvin album can you honestly say will be remembered
>more by music intel?
>What's Going On or Here My Dear?
>Once you're done with that...tell me this...
>which marvin album will be remembered more by fans?
>
but the reason it'll be remembered is not just cause it was popular at the time....both albums are remembered cause they were great all around....fans....true fans...will remeber both...

>that's just for selling records, which R does
>>well...but artistry and lasting critical praise, by people
>>in your genre, is WAAAY more important....
>
>So musicians should arrange and compose to garner the praise
>of other musicians only? I quit the guitar years ago, Why
>should I be left out?
>
what are YOU talking about here??

>>btw...who's
>>seriously bumpin "half on a baby", "feelin on yo booty"
>>"seems like you're ready" "gotham city" "i believe i can
>>fly" "you remind me of my jeep" "your body's
>>callin"(ok...maybe..i can't remember the lyrics)
>
>Please don't turn this into a popularity contest. D won't
>win it. Seems like you're ready, Honey love, Your Body's
>calling, Twelve Play, R has so many slow jam CLASSICS on his
>resume that D' just can't compare.
>
it's not about that..it's about preferable listening...for me...i would not be caught pumpin juvenile ass Rkelly...to ME he's boring and 'hands of time' is his best work, unfortunately for him, the bullshit he's done almost overshadows it...esp with your aforementioned "fans"...plus, this isn't a slow jam contest...just a discussion of two slacker musicians....d is slow as hell, R is complacent...

>While One Mo' Gin might work better for listeners like say
>you or I, making a statement like the previous is just as
>biased as dissing Michael or Prince.
>
i didn't say d was better than anyone, and i didn't diss ANYONE whose catalog doesn't have so much bad material in it...i think R can do great things, but as evidenced by the success of no so talented artists (missy, puff, pharrell) R doesn't care cuz he knows he can not only get away with no putting his all into his work, the majority will love him for it...

>ANY of that
>>Mr biggs shit
>
>Contagious was a wonderful song you were just over exposed
>to it. Radio got you thinking the shit was wack.
>
maybe...they seem pathetic to me...but HEY, they're making money, not mention history...btw...can't blame radio for everything, the people who religously tune in to stations are R'sre buying audience...

>(i wouldn't be able to stop laffin..neither
>>would ny lady) etc....most of his stuff is wack,
>and you already said D has 2 classics...
>
>So does R... Twelve Play and Chocolate Factory.

i think he just has some ok singles, an acutal "good" song hidden here or there, and one really great song, maybe two....

but why are we arguing?? neither artist is paying me shit...and neither of our opinions will be changed by this debate........

know music

that's all your fuckin' problems...you think you know everyfuckin' thing that has to do with music and don't know your asshole from your elbows

r.kelly is mainly R&B, with a few soul moments scattered here and there. thats not being snobbish, just differentiating between the two.

a sub genre of it...

> a sub genre of it...

yeah but part of the original 'point' of neo soul was to be warmer and less synthesized, sterile sounding and not as inspid lyrically as R&B. while that seems to have gotten blurred in the last few years, an album like baduizm was not sounding like anything from monica or brandy.

R.Kelly is Da King of R&B.He brings all the Elements together.

lyric wise and music wise

not only does he bite jay-z at the start

this is really the worst shit i've ever heard, and i didnt think he could get any worse

the finer things in life when you come across them

but if thats the line of reasoning you want to use, i'll settle for the sake of not carrying out this argument

You can't be smooth when your mind has been polluted with that toot toot beep beep remind me of my jeep shit. You are what you listen to.

They don't hear you though.

r kelly is dope and did and does have an influence on rnb...especially when he is making everyone he works with sound exactly like him...Tyrese(2fast2furious ost), Ginuwine(that remix), B2k, Marques Houston, JS etc...now we talking about soul music when it comes to D'Angelo...not just cheezy rnb..yea R can do the soul music well too, but compared to D'Angelo..NO. club traks..OF COURSE THATS R KELLY. that was obvious. u said
"that nigga had to get naked just to sell voodoo."..well u had to copy 50cent's line JUST TO SELL THIS POST AND YOUR OPINION.

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Young Chris - Motherfuckers
Peedi Crakk - Fallback
Young Gunz - Rich Girl
Ludacris - Stand Up (produced Kanye West)
Grafh - Stuck In This Life Remix feat. Jay-Z
Rikoshay - Continuously
Method Man - Afterparty feat. Ghostface Killah
Beyonce - Summertime Remix feat. Ghostface Kiillah
Choclair - Tekk Em feat. Saukrates & Ro Dolla
Marques Houston - Clubbin' feat. Joe Budden

duhduh duh dunananana duh duh.

d hasn't even put himself on the starters mark to make this a fair race.

i believe that r is a more experienced writer and performer than d.

but if d would get off his ass and work at it--im sure by this point he would dust the shit outta r.

in a perfect world--d would be on album number 7, produced/writen about 13 number ones. gave stevie his number one comeback song. shut the door on neo soul's minions running in the house while he's asleep.

but since d took himself outta the race....there is no race.

i mean come on--that's like you saying

who is a better actor?

ashton kusher? or chirstopher reeves?


or i got a better one!


i did a one on one with max roach recently.

now max is near 90. and couldn't hold the sticks for long. so for that date? sure--i coulda dusted his "old ass" (im being tongue in cheek--not serious in case selwyn reads this)--

or having muhammad ali today go up against 1983 tyson.


d has taken himself out the training camp.

every move he made creative wise was a masterstroke.

but not enough.

the winner is r.

the way you make it seem, like, even though d did take himself out the race, if he didn't, he'd be a more talented musician than kelly...

now i don't have first hand experience (maybe you do on both artists) watching them do their thing in the studio, but from the reports i've heard, kelly is a very credible piano player.

now i'm not sure what instruments d'angelo plays, but i don't think d'angelo could take out kelly like that when it comes to playin'....i'm not sayin' he'd lose either, i'm just askin' for further credentials if you know them

kind words from someone who has beef. but okay. so what if R Kelly can play the piano well. a lot of people can.

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Peedi Crakk - Fallback
Young Gunz - Rich Girl
Young Chris - 94 BarsLudacris - Stand Up (produced Kanye West)
Grafh - Stuck In This Life Remix feat. Jay-Z
Rikoshay - Continuously
Method Man - Afterparty feat. Ghostface Killah
Beyonce - Summertime Remix feat. Ghostface Kiillah
Choclair - Tekk Em feat. Saukrates & Ro Dolla
Marques Houston - Clubbin' feat. Joe Budden

duhduh duh dunananana duh duh.

D has him in that division.

but d'angelo is a genius of a piano player. on some ahmad jamal "where the fuck does he pull these chords out?" --oh if anything--i prefer d's piano to his already genius bad ass singing.


don't get it twisted y'all. money and i are/were/will never be cool.

but i will call a spade a spade and say that money is/could/should/prolly won't be (considered) the GOAT

thanks for the insight.

very well done

...then, yes, R. would win.

It just wouldn't be fair to say, "yeah, if d made MORE, he'd beat out R."

Buildingblock expressed his feelings of R. being a better artist than D; the number of albums one makes or the number of songs one puts out doesn't judge talent.

Who knows what D's going through. With everybody trying to discredit his talent because of his overt sexuality and status with the ladies, I'm sure D thinks it necessary to sit back for a minute, and make the people squeal and appreciate him as an artist and not another label clone.

But this is just mere speculation.

And if I may add, doesn't D have a major hand in producing, writing, and playing some of the instuments on all of his albums?

i was gonna say take it out of your mouth, but you know how cool we are, so i refrained, but yeah, drop the cock...now

...I'm a dick rider because I don't agree with you?

Looky here, I like good music, not to say R. doesn't make good music, because he does, but it's just a *little* different with D. I just can't see how you, can say R. is better than D. But you are...nevamind.

is better because i like his music better than d'angelo's

d'angelo is talented, but his choices in harmonies, melodies, subject, drum beats, and whatever else he puts into his creative process to concoct a song; whenever it comes out as a final product, those ingredients together just don't "move" me the way that r kelly's choices of combinin' and choosin' ingredients do

it's a "feel" thing, i guess you can say

your choice in artists is respected

but you still need to let go of his cock... :)

the fact is that D'angelo doesn't have R.Kelly's Depth Period.R. crosses more Blends of Styles far better than D. even if D'angelo had as much product out He still doesn't have R.'s Depth&Ability to Blend so much together.R. is Da King because He can just go&go.

and he sang praises of robert, hearkenin' his talent to a level that surpasses sam cooke, marvin, and stevie..i've yet to hear that about d' when he WAS at his hey day...

now from a veteran with over 50 years in the game to your few, but still respectable years, in the game, i'ma go with mr biggs

yes this reply is just beatin' a deadhorse to somethin' you conceded already, but hey

it is what it is

i won't out the inbox.

ok, now that is some bullshit. ron isley has definitely contributed far more than most in this business. but r.kelly...but a talent surpassing sam cooke, marvin gaye, AND stevie?? either you read that totally out of context, or ron has just plain lost it. perhaps both. i mean afterall, it wasn't til the isley's hooked up with r that the isley's shit didn't sound like isley anymore. so his judge of what is still good is definitely in question. the production he has done for them is sub par r.kelly. there is no way in a million years, that kelly will ever put out anything equivalent to a 'what's goin on', 'songs in the key of life', much less even a song with as much power and meaning as 'a change gonna come'. marvin and sam are officially spinning in their graves, marvin is probably saying..."damn, now i used to get higher than a motherfucker. but that brotha ron must be smokin on some funky reincarnation space shit to say some bullshit like that."

kelly is still very talented, but he is not in that kind of league. he could take a lesson from the isley catalogue in writing lyrics as well. what kind of producer uses ernie isley as scarcely as kelly did on their latest?" kelly's problem is bad choices. choices like...rappin as much as he did on 12 play, naming an album tp2.com, sayiing some wack shit like "you remind me of my jeep' , coming up with a song titles like 'feelin on yo booty', 'real r.kelly', 'hump bounce', etc. etc. etc. when he is on point, kelly really shines. but when he hits a low point....look out!


ERIC LEEDS: "The N.E.W.S. took as long as the CD is! P counted it off, gave us a key and we just played. At the end of it, I packed up my horns and went home. Now that's my idea of a session."

RHONDA: "There weren't overdubs with N.E.W.S, we just hit it!"

RHONDA: RHONDA: "Yes, N.E.W.S was improvised."

R.Kelly is the truth.funny I see a statement with Prince at the Bottom of your Page.R.Kelly would Dust His tired Ass to Bits.anyway ROnald Isley knows what He speaks because He has seen it all.R.Kelly has grown leaps&Bounds.He is on the same path as Sam Cooke&Marvin Gaye IMHO.also He will be able to match Stevie Wonder's 70's Run over time.lets be real about something:we are still talking about R.Kelly a Full Decade later.He is almost 10 years back from "12 Play".now Sam Cooke didn't have that.Marvin Gaye dropped "Hear,My Dear" in 79 but never had another tight album all the way after that IMHO.as for Stevie Wonder in the 80's after "Hotter than July" He was Hit&Miss.R.Kelly is going into a Special unknown Zone.R.Kelly is DA KANG!

of course ronald would sing r's praises. the man virtually resuciatated his career. hed be saying the same about puffy if he did it.

that is what I Heard Ronald Isley say&Coming from a Cat with His level&Depth of Skills you can't get a Higher Props up than that.

why is questlove comparing r to dangelo. its like jeff buckley and robbie williams.

there is a post further up in which ?uest did not even feel it was an appropriate comparison.

r definitely resusitated the isley's career. not necessarily for the better in my opinion. some of it sounds alright, but a talented producer tries to really get inside the artists head. kelly just throws them his outtakes practically. same problem with so many producers nowadays. neptunes, timbaland, etc. its as if the isley's had nothing to offer in return. just a one way street. instead of trying to analyze why people love the isley's in the first place, kelly just makes them sound like him.

ERIC LEEDS: "The N.E.W.S. took as long as the CD is! P counted it off, gave us a key and we just played. At the end of it, I packed up my horns and went home. Now that's my idea of a session."

RHONDA: "There weren't overdubs with N.E.W.S, we just hit it!"

RHONDA: RHONDA: "Yes, N.E.W.S was improvised."

it works b/c it caters to the lowest common denominator, but let's face it, his songs lyrics are quite possibly the worst ever penned.

like pharrell & jay

i thought he made a wise choice writing 'fortunate' for maxwell. that is the first example off the top of my head in which kelly made a wise decision. though for the most part...i agree with the lowest common denominator. his problem is that he tries to appeal too much to the public instead of just concentrating on the music. that is why his shit is all over the map. he may perhaps be the most schizophrenic artist in the business as far as his direction with an album.

ERIC LEEDS: "The N.E.W.S. took as long as the CD is! P counted it off, gave us a key and we just played. At the end of it, I packed up my horns and went home. Now that's my idea of a session."

RHONDA: "There weren't overdubs with N.E.W.S, we just hit it!"

RHONDA: RHONDA: "Yes, N.E.W.S was improvised."

next you'll be saying ashanti sings better than patti labelle! hee hee hee hee!

i'm playin: glenn jones-feels good

jawjuh man
dutty south native
supreme jedi!

she may be sexier than ol patti, but her pipes ain't right

i'd lay down the pipe.

If RK is guilty of what he is accused of I hope he gets beat within an inch of his life on the daily for the rest of his life

Pappa