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2753770, 2021-22 NBA Regular Season: Week 11
Posted by allStah, Tue Dec-28-21 05:08 PM
Derozan/ Lavine are the best duo in the league, drawing similarities
to the greatest duo of all-time in Jordan/Pippen.

Bulls still need some bigs, and I’m hoping they can figure something out
to bring in Marvin Bagley.

Other attractive bigs that cold be on the market soon: Plumlee and Zubak.
Both players have a year left on their contracts that are either partially guaranteed
or a team option.

Mason Plumlee (Hornets): $9.1 million, $4.3 million guaranteed

Ivica Zubac (Clippers): $7.5 million (team option).

With Paul George set to be out of action for up to 2 months, and Kawhi
is still rehabbing is ACL injury, this season could be a wash for the clippers.
So the clippers might seek to make some moves before the trade deadline
to decrease their payroll/ or to start setting themselves up for next season.

Bagley/Plumlee/Zubak....I’ll take either one of them.

Let’s make it happen.




2753771, You've changed your "no max for LaVine" take, I take it? lol
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Dec-28-21 05:31 PM
>Derozan/ Lavine are the best duo in the league, drawing
>similarities
>to the greatest duo of all-time in Jordan/Pippen.

I wouldn't go that far, obviously, lol, but it's obvious that they're working really well together. And Billy D is just such a good coach. Totally insane that there are *still* college teams holding out hope he'll come back, lmao.

My hot take with this squad is "DeRozan is probably a Hall of Famer," but I'll let that simmer for now.

>Bulls still need some bigs, and I’m hoping they can figure
>something out
>to bring in Marvin Bagley.

I think this'll be hard to make work for the money, especially because the Bulls won't want to trade any real long-term assets to make this happen, but the Kings would pretty clearly want some real equity. Maybe, like, Derrick Jones, Troy Brown, and a first for Bagley? Or change the first to two seconds?

Problem is I'm not convinced Bagley helps today more than Derrick Jones could, potentially-- Bagley's best potential is still "bring him in, see how he meshes with the culture, then try to keep him for what could be unlocked there" whereas the Bulls are more in the mode of "bring in someone who will help the Bulls win the East right today." Is Bagley a better win-now guy today than Derrick Jones? I'm a Duke guy, so I'd certainly like to think so, and he definitely has the better longterm potential... but if I left my pro-Duke bias aside, I'm not convinced he would be better come this spring for the Bulls. So once you factor that in, adding picks to the mix (which they'd *have* to do to make Sacramento happy) just doesn't seem to make much sense.
2753776, Lavine is very good, but for the super max?
Posted by allStah, Tue Dec-28-21 05:54 PM
I’m still not sure. He wants Giannis money, and he still has defensive woes.
Playing in the Olympics definitely improved his game, and he is playing
extremely well right now.

Jones isn’t in the same conversation with Bagley.

Bagley avg 14/7 for 3 straight years, and has the potential to be a 20/10
guy, so he has major upside and can play both sides of the ball. Jones has
never avg more than 5/3, and has zero upside because he is mainly a defensive
guy. He has zero offensive ability.

So a rim protecting seven footer who avg 14/7 wouldn’t be gigantic RIGHT NOW improvement over a 6’6 defensive journeymen pretending to be a big in the paint?

Come on.

Plus Bagley would have the potential to be our future interior star once Vucevic’s contract expires in 2 years.

Only concern with Bagley would be his attitude, due to his father’s influence.....But I’m
sure Lonzo could tell him how to handle that.
2753809, Yeah, you missed what I said.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Dec-29-21 12:56 PM

>Jones isn’t in the same conversation with Bagley.
>
>Bagley avg 14/7 for 3 straight years, and has the potential to
>be a 20/10
>guy, so he has major upside and can play both sides of the
>ball. Jones has
>never avg more than 5/3, and has zero upside because he is
>mainly a defensive
>guy. He has zero offensive ability.

Literally said above that Bagley has more potential. But it's not about potential for the Bulls this year-- or it shouldn't be, anyway. They should be focused on using tradeable pieces to get win-now assets in exchange. Said that above too.

>So a rim protecting seven footer who avg 14/7 wouldn’t be
>gigantic RIGHT NOW improvement over a 6’6 defensive
>journeymen pretending to be a big in the paint?

Bagley is not a good rim protector. He's averaged under a block a game for his whole career. He's also not good at deflections or holding positions in the paint. He's a really bad defender. Has been his whole career. He's a worse defender than Vuc.

If you're bringing in Bagley, you're not bringing him in for defense, you'd only be bringing him in for offense. I think Jones's defense off the bench is a better piece for winning now than Bagley's offense, considering what the Bulls's roster currently looks like. Your offense is 5th in the NBA, your defense is 10th. Trades should be focused on trying to improve the Bulls's defensive depth imo.

>Plus Bagley would have the potential to be our future
>interior star once Vucevic’s contract expires in 2 years.

Bagley's contract expires before Vuc's anyway-- it expires this offseason. If you could trade for Bagley on a reasonable deal for the next 3-4 years, okay... but that's not the reality. Reality is his contract will be done this summer before any of that potential likely manifests itself in a Bulls uniform. And I'd rather use the offseason money to sign a more quantifiable (and healthier) asset than Bagley.

And like I said, I don't think the Bulls should be trading for or spending money on potential winners years from now. In a season where the Nets have weird chemistry stuff and the Bucks potentially have fatigue from last year's run and the Olympics, this is a ripe opportunity for the Bulls to win the East. Gotta go all in right now imo.
2753817, Bagley avg a block a game in his first season,
Posted by allStah, Wed Dec-29-21 02:59 PM
when he was getting 20+ minutes. He is now avg under 20 mins a
game, so it would be reasonable to say that when given the minutes
he is a good rim protector. Avg a block a game is not an accident. That
is an ability.

Derrick Jones, Jr has never avg a block per game in a season,
his career avg is 0.7. Bagley has the same career avg. So you’re
wrong about him not being a rim protector.

Also, under Alvin Gentry, Bagley has been solid on defense:

“With Alvin Gentry now at the helm, Bagley has been given another chance to earn a spot in the Kings’ rotation, and the thing that’s gotten him playing time as of late is, ironically, his defense.

“He’s been pretty consistent since he’s been able to get back out onto the floor,” Gentry said of Bagley following the Kings’ 104-99 win over the LA Clippers on . “I think he’s done a good job defensively of getting down me guarding perimeter players … but the big thing is that he’s come up with some big rebounds for us and been able to do some things to help us on the board.”

So one could say that he just didn’t like playing for Luke Walton.

And the win right now is the wrong mentality to have because it usually
leads to failure, like the desperation move the Bulls made last season
to bring in Vucevic, only to fall out of playoff contention. As soon as the Bulls
made that move, things went south, and that was before Lavine was sidelined.

This situation doesn’t need to be rushed. It should be well calculated, to ensure
that the right player is brought in to seriously improve our interior on both sides
of the ball for many years to come.
2753821, Cool. We completely disagree on both points.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Dec-29-21 05:43 PM
Both on Bagley's defensive acumen and the approach the Bulls should take before the Trade Deadline. Not much left to discuss.
2753782, LaVine is 26 years old.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Tue Dec-28-21 07:33 PM
Twenty. Six.

There are only five players in the ENTIRE LEAGUE
who rank higher than LaVine in Offensive Points Added:

Jokic, Giannis, Steph, KD, and Trae.

Bulls should back up the truck for him.
Give him whatever he wants.

Instead of accepting the L,
allstah is steady moving goal posts which *shrug*
I mean, that's what he does.
2753789, How am I moving the goal post?
Posted by allStah, Tue Dec-28-21 08:10 PM
I don’t really think he is a max player, doesn’t mean he isn’t
a good player.

I’m not really sold yet. I’ve said as much.

If I had to super max him right now, I wouldn’t.

He has tremendously improved, but to give him Giannis money?
I don’t think he is at that point. I need to see all nba teams, all
defensive teams, etc

So how have I moved the goal post?

You’re turning into a pest with this stuff, and you would make
a shit ass GM with “ give him what he wants”. NBA doesn’t
work that way. There is a reason why the Bulls have not
paid him, and he is in the last season of his contract ....

Just like me they still have question marks ...if they didn’t he
would have been paid already just like Giannis ..just KD, and
Steph.

We are talking Giannis money here.. MVP, Champion money.
2753832, YOU JUST SAID HE'S PART OF BEST DUO IN NBA DRAWING COMPARISON TO MJ/PIP!
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Wed Dec-29-21 10:57 PM
>I don’t really think he is a max player, doesn’t mean he
>isn’t
>a good player.
>
>I’m not really sold yet. I’ve said as much.
>
>If I had to super max him right now, I wouldn’t.
>
>He has tremendously improved, but to give him Giannis money?
>I don’t think he is at that point. I need to see all nba
>teams, all
>defensive teams, etc
>
>So how have I moved the goal post?

YOU JUST SAID HE'S PART OF THE BEST DUO IN THE NBA DRAWING COMPARISONS TO JORDAN/PIPPEN 3 HOURS BEFORE!!!!

2753834, and he followed it with “he still has work to do!”
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Dec-29-21 11:06 PM
LMAO
2753851, Yes. He is. They make a great tandem.
Posted by allStah, Thu Dec-30-21 04:08 PM
But that doesn’t mean he is worth Giannis money and can’t be replaced,
where a similar duo can be created.

So I wouldn’t pay him 35 percent of the salary cap to keep him.



I’m not sure what you don’t understand about that.





2753981, No. He isn't. They do make a great tandem, but not best in the league.
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Dec-31-21 08:07 PM
And certainly not comparable to Jordan/Pippen.


>But that doesn’t mean he is worth Giannis money and can’t
>be replaced,
>where a similar duo can be created.

create a similar duo with who? To expand on Leroy's point: LaVine is 26 years old averaging 26/5/4 on 50/40/mid-80s shooting. Who is Chicago replacing that with? Who are they getting to create a similar duo with DeRozan?



>So I wouldn’t pay him 35 percent of the salary cap to keep
>him.
>
>
>
>I’m not sure what you don’t understand about that.

I typed it out in all caps, I'm not sure what part of that you didn't see.
2754052, He's bored.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Sat Jan-01-22 03:09 PM
>create a similar duo with who? To expand on Leroy's point:
>LaVine is 26 years old averaging 26/5/4 on 50/40/mid-80s
>shooting. Who is Chicago replacing that with? Who are they
>getting to create a similar duo with DeRozan?

I've asked this exact thing.
He said he would replace LaVine with CJ McCollum who is...

1. 4 years older
2. Won't be a free agent until 2024
3. On paper is nowhere near the same player LaVine is.
Like it's not even worth you opening up another browser to check the stats.
2753810, I completely agree.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Dec-29-21 12:58 PM
Guys who average 26-5-4-- who also haven't potentially hit their prime yet-- those dudes don't grow on trees.

I'm happy to entertain arguments for how that money could be better spent... but I don't know what combo of dudes makes your team better than LaVine does. And if the Bulls trying to pinch pennies with him, he'll walk, as he should.

So no point trying to get cute imo. Back up the truck.
2753814, Like you said about Michael Porter?
Posted by allStah, Wed Dec-29-21 01:40 PM
Now look at how stuck Denver is.

Backing up the truck is not that simple, especially for a guy
who made his first all star team last year, and has zero all nba
or all defensive team accolades.

Lavine has improved tremendously, and he is a good person,
but his defense and ball protection are still concerns.

I think if he makes an all nba team this year, and becomes
even more polished, then he would definitely deserve the
super max.

He still has more work to do in my opinion.

Think about this. Giannis just signed a super max deal
back in December, and he is only the sixth player to sign
a super max deal since 2017! And Giannis is a multiple
mvp award winner, with several all nba team selections,
and he has a defensive player of the year award.

Super Max deals are extremely rare deals, since they are given
to top 5-10 players. Those deals are reserved for the best of the
best.

Zach isn’t even the best player on the team. It’s Derozan who
is receiving MVP considerations.






2753815, Let's look at what I actually said about Porter.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Dec-29-21 02:02 PM
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2743593&mesg_id=2743593&listing_type=search#2747283

"They think Jokic/Murray/MPJ is good enough to win a title going forward. Are they right? Time will tell, I guess. But in a league where so many teams shy away from spending unless they're already presently in title contention, I respect Denver for saying, "For better or worse, this is where we wanna be for the next 5 years.""

I wasn't even sayIng I agreed with the Porter deal. I said I respected Denver, a team that historically isn't a marquee destination for free agents, putting all their chips on the table to try to keep what they had.

Should go without saying that there's a big difference between Denver committing to keeping their core together by paying their third best player and Chicago committing to keeping their best young player-- especially when their other best player is 32 and needs to try to win now.

(Also goes without saying that, if Murray comes back healthy, Denver absolutely isn't stuck. Murray is 24, Jokic and Gordon both 26. Their money situation won't be optimal if Porter literally never plays again, sure, but Jokic/Murray/Gordon is a Top 4-5 seed in the West annually for the next few years, and for the games they can get Porter in there, all the better. Denver's good at drafting too, generally, fwiw.)

Funny that this post painted me as some Porter defender, when I've gotten some heat in the past on this site for being a Porter skeptic.
2753816, It painted you as a person who agreed with the move,
Posted by allStah, Wed Dec-29-21 02:19 PM
which you did. That’s all that I painted you as.

You also stated in that post that teams try to get too cute
with shelling out money, and that it was the right move because
Denver was trying to keep their core together.

You basically liked the move. I didn’t.

And you forgot to thank me for saving you money on
that Lakers bet.
2753819, He won't answer this.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Wed Dec-29-21 04:30 PM
>I'm happy to entertain arguments for how that money could be
>better spent... but I don't know what combo of dudes makes
>your team better than LaVine does.

His argument is just because there's nobody to sign to replace him
doesn't mean you need to give him a max contract.

But that's part of the gamble that GM's do all the time.
Overpay for a guy hoping that he'll reach his full potential.
And LaVine has shown growth in his game every season.

His defense has VASTLY improved next to Alex Caruso and Lonzo Ball.
Just the other day, LaVine was talking about how calm and relaxed DeRozan is in the 4Q, and that he's learned a lot from him.

And when LaVine gets even better at 28 and 29 years old,
that max deal is going to be one of the best contracts in the league.
2753820, You don’t give out contracts based
Posted by allStah, Wed Dec-29-21 04:49 PM
on no else out there being available. It doesn’t work like that,
and you’re spewing a whole lot of hypotheticals. We don’t know what Lavine will be
at 28 or 29.

Are you a Bulls fan or Lavine fan? I’m a Bulls fan, so I’m not
attached or glued on to one particular player, especially if it leads
to being a strangle hold on the payroll that could limit future moves.

I could name quite a few players that could play similar to Lavine,
and they would come with a cheaper price tag.

McCollum and Levert just to name a few.

Lavine has ONE all star appearance, and nothing else.
You don’t simply empty your back account for that.
Most players who will soon be 27 years old looking for super max
deals have several accolades under their belt.

He still has work to do in my opinion.

This is not Lavine hate, nor does it mean that I don’t like him.







2753823, If you think McCollum and Levert are similar to LaVine...
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Dec-29-21 05:55 PM
... then yeah, not much to discuss on LaVine either, lol. I think McCollum and Levert are each notably worse than LaVine.

LaVine is the best offensive player of the three (with Levert being easily the worst), and he's probably at this point now the best defensive player of the three (with CJ being easily the worst). You may disagree with that. Okay. Others don't. Which is why others are on Team Pay The Man. A lineup of Lonzo, McCollum, DeRozan, and Vuc knocks the Bulls down multiple seed lines from where they are with LaVine, imo.

You have a shot at a title. You have Vuc for one more season after this year, DeRozan, Lonzo, and P-Will for two more. You've got to turn either this season or next into a realistic shot at a title. If the Bulls' primary concern is saving money in the short term, when two of the three stars will be 32+ next season, then... yeah, I would vehemently disagree with that strategy, personally.
2753828, You don’t know what they will or would be....
Posted by allStah, Wed Dec-29-21 08:26 PM
just like your prediction the Lakers will be top 3 in the West easily,
when it was quite obvious that the makeup of the team is worse
than last season’s

Similar doesn’t not mean exact. If I had to let Lavine walk, and needed
another SG to replace him, those two players would clearly be targets,
and there wouldn’t be a huge drop off by the Bulls. The team is too talented,
and the coaching is too good. While Lavine was in protocols, this team
was still competitive as hell. And Bulls management knows that. Losing
Lavine would not cripple the Bulls, not even close. In my opinion, the
most important player on that team is Ball.

At this present time, Lavine is not worth top 5-10 money. Now that could
all change, but like I said he still has more work to do.
2753850, We'll gladly take him off your hands.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Dec-30-21 03:08 PM
AD can come on home
2753790, Bobby Portis set down the cup of coffee and ordered some furniture.
Posted by Castro, Tue Dec-28-21 08:18 PM
Even if Brook comes back, he might be coming off the bench.
2753796, It's crazy - but LeBron is still charting elite in year 19
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Dec-28-21 09:18 PM
He's actually averaging more points in year 19 than what his career average is - still giving you basically 27, 7 & 7 super efficiently, over 50% from the field, nearly 35% from 3. Even shooting near his career best at the free-throw line.

Just locked in. Nobody has had a prime this elongated. At this point in Kareem's career, he was barely scoring in double digits and was a third/fourth option at best.

Team's a mess, but if LeBron can somehow keep them afloat through extended periods of no continuity, failed chemistry projects and injuries to somehow be competitive in the playoffs - it will be crazy to think that he's still carrying an entire broken team on his back in year 19,000.

As bad as the Lakers have played, they are still within striking distance of the 4 seed if they can just finally catch a win-streak.



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2753797, Gotta respect it.
Posted by Beezo, Tue Dec-28-21 09:27 PM
2753800, Le36,000 pts
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Dec-28-21 10:28 PM

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2753818, #WeAreWitnesses
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Wed Dec-29-21 03:05 PM
What he's doing now is truly legendary.

The fact that he's at worst a top 10 player at age 36, with the amount of minutes he's played, with the amount of minutes accumulated during deep playoff runs is something we're probably not ever going to see again.

2753801, That was horseshit. Cavs minus Garland tank against the Pelicans
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Dec-28-21 10:32 PM
and the worst part is that Rubio might have had a season-ending injury.

I'm flushing season expectations after that. With no Garland or Rubio, this team has no playmakers. Pangos can't really play in a game like this one.

Just as Evan Mobley gets back (had a good game). No one but he and Kevin Love could hit from 3 and they had good looks. Just a complete black hole from 3 for an entire quarter.
2753802, I think he tore his meniscus, since he couldn’t put any weight
Posted by allStah, Tue Dec-28-21 10:51 PM
on his knee. Hopefully, whatever it is, it’s a partial tear and
not a complete tear.

That is a huge blow....He is a supreme facilitator and has turned
into somewhat of a scorer as well, plus he is a solid defender.

2753822, ACL tear, out for the season
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Dec-29-21 05:53 PM
and that's two guards gone, with Garland in protocols.

Was hoping the whole gang would be together for Jan 9.

Pangos is the stopgap but he's going to have to start. Ls coming up unless something goes down.
2753824, Wouldn't be the worst thing for the Cavs to return to the lotto.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Dec-29-21 06:01 PM
The core is clearly there and clearly strong. Without Rubio or Sexton, that backcourt's mighty thin-- and that's the biggest offseason priority too, figuring out the backcourt. I personally would sign Rubio for another 2-year deal and let Sexton walk, based on how they've each looked with Garland, but that's just me.

Then, find a nice free agent stopgap, draft Trevor Keels to be the defensive bulldog guy alongside Garland long term, and then make a real push next season.

I don't think the Cavs are good enough to win the East this year, especially not down Rubio and Sexton. But if Okoro keeps growing, Mobley keeps getting stronger, and they figure out the backcourt for the next 2 years? There's reeeeeal potential there.
2753826, Man, you guys are fucked.
Posted by allStah, Wed Dec-29-21 06:51 PM
The problem is that since it is the beginning of the year, it’s possible that
Rubio could miss all of next season too depending on how his
rehab goes. It’s almost similar to Kawhi’s situation. He will be rehabbing
through the entire year, and the earliest he could return to the court would
be around the all star game.

On the bright side, Cleveland allegedly is back into trade talks with the Sixers.
The rumor is that Cleveland could offer Sexton/Lauri/Okoro and 2 first rounders for Ben Simmons.

https://www.inquisitr.com/6500616/nba-rumors-ben-simmons-to-cavaliers-for-collin-sexton-isaac-oko


If that does go down, that could possibly make Cleveland a true threat in
the EC

Allen/Mobley/Cedi/Garland/Simmons.





2753805, how long is Draymond out? Warriors struggled last night
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Dec-29-21 09:45 AM
2753808, Sixers don't look great right now but Embiid is a monster
Posted by makaveli, Wed Dec-29-21 12:32 PM
some of the plays I've seen him make recently are just unbelievable.
2753812, Yeah he is not messing around.
Posted by Castro, Wed Dec-29-21 01:14 PM
Think him and Doc figure if he plays like this, he will end up with another side kick, maybe Dame, and they can keep the window open for at least a couple of years.
2753813, they defintely need another piece
Posted by makaveli, Wed Dec-29-21 01:38 PM
still think they are better than they've been playing recently, but yeah he's playing out of his mind.
2753835, Bron needs help!
Posted by Beezo, Wed Dec-29-21 11:10 PM
2753840, Trade everyone.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Dec-30-21 03:18 AM
2753845, Even AD? That’s harsh
Posted by guru0509, Thu Dec-30-21 10:51 AM
2753849, lmao him FIRST and foremost.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Dec-30-21 03:00 PM
Mainly because he's the one most likely to help us sucker- er, negotiate- the best return.

He just ain't it. It's always something with him, some sort of injury, some mishap. Something. "injury prone" may be a statistical myth, but the fact is he gets hurt an awful lot.

I'd rather cut bait on that and let someone else deal with him turning into an exploding rack of bowling pins any time he takes contact.

Russ ain't getting us shit in return for a list of reasons.

There could be a way to net something solid with a 3-4 team deal somewhere, but that's hopeful optimism.

I'm not sure what teams would give up for Brawn, given his age.

No trade clauses for him and AD make trades a tall order, before we even get to whether or not the Lakers would be willing to deal them absent a trade demand, because they're not.

There is a *little* wiggle room here, what with the rash of injuries and COVID absences. But not much, and not much to say this team has a chance of doing anything that matters.

I say, recognize the writing on the wall and get what we can, while we can, and hopefully we can kickstart a rebuild early.

It won't happen, even if it's what I want to happen.

I have no attachment to any of these cats. Brawn, a little, but all my love was for the kids we had. But the rest? none whatsoever.

2753836, Ja a superstar.
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Wed Dec-29-21 11:22 PM
2753838, I’m not sure if that is a good or bad thing.
Posted by allStah, Thu Dec-30-21 12:09 AM
Last game, Memphis ran through the lakers and beat them
by 13 without Morant, and the lakers were fully loaded with
Russell/AD and Lebron.

I know Ja is the face of the franchise, but he took damn near 30
shots and only had 2 assists. They barely beat the Lakers this
time without AD.

Ja isn’t a facilitating PG, but on a team with some good young
scorers in Bane, Jackson and Brooks, and Slow Mo can get his own shot
as well, a facilitator is needed more than a star scoring guard.

Jones had 7 dimes and plays better defense.

He will be electrifying to watch and put up insane numbers,
but they will not go far in the playoffs with that.

He has time to mature, but after seeing Memphis run through the
entire league when he was out, he is going to have to get better
on defense and with ball distribution.

2754107, i'm sure you don't.
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sun Jan-02-22 12:16 AM
>Last game, Memphis ran through the lakers and beat them
>by 13 without Morant, and the lakers were fully loaded with
>Russell/AD and Lebron.
>
>I know Ja is the face of the franchise, but he took damn near
>30
>shots and only had 2 assists. They barely beat the Lakers
>this
>time without AD.

Good grief! Ja scored 41 points on 13-27 FG going 6-7 from 3 and 9-12 from the line + added 10 boards, took over the game in the 4th and outdueled LeBron down the stretch to win the game - the fuck you complaining about?

he also just went for 30 last night with 8 dimes + 6 boards on 12/18 FG going 3/3 from 3; 3rd straight game with 30 points, 4th straight W, Memphis is 4th in the West & 1st in their Division. Not sure what the problem is.


>Ja isn’t a facilitating PG, but on a team with some good
>young
>scorers in Bane, Jackson and Brooks, and Slow Mo can get his
>own shot
>as well, a facilitator is needed more than a star scoring
>guard.

LOL! Slo Mo is averaging 8 ppg on 43% FG - FOH! The others are decent young players, but he doesn't have any All-Star caliber teammates right now. Ja is a scoring PG, but he's also a talented passer (led the nation in assists, remember?), he's averaged 7+ APG for his career (higher than Steph and Dame) so he's fine. He does need to learn how to better balance getting his with getting his teammates more involved, but A) he is by far the best scoring option on the team, and B) he's 22 years old. Give him some time to develop + surround him with some more talent and he'll be set.
2753842, the jason kidd tenure in dallas is not gonna end well.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Dec-30-21 03:45 AM
2753846, why do you say that?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-30-21 11:43 AM
2753856, the way the fanbase is already treating him after these losses.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Dec-30-21 04:41 PM
2753869, how many games has Luka missed?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-30-21 09:26 PM
2753871, shit how many meals has luka missed?
Posted by Reeq, Thu Dec-30-21 09:36 PM
2753877, So in other words you have no clue what you’re talking about…
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-30-21 10:39 PM
it’s just a random hot take
2753879, huh? are you new to oksports?
Posted by Reeq, Thu Dec-30-21 10:46 PM
2753887, No but obviously you are lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-31-21 01:49 AM
2753888, lol you ok man?
Posted by Reeq, Fri Dec-31-21 01:53 AM
i made a fairly benign prediction about the future based on an observation of the present.

this is run of the mill sports talk stuff.

what sent you over the edge?
2753890, Westbrook being absolute dog shit and a toxic wreck
Posted by guru0509, Fri Dec-31-21 04:20 AM

>
>what sent you over the edge?
2753893, ^^^definition of a troll
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-31-21 08:11 AM
2753894, lol
Posted by Reeq, Fri Dec-31-21 08:26 AM
2753892, since you are new let me educate you. When people say reckless stuff...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-31-21 08:10 AM
about black coaches being fired without any actual analysis of the situation I call them out and ask them to explain themselves.

Similar hot takes on other issues not based on fact will get you called out too. Your random posting style in GD won't fly in here.
2753895, yeah you definitely doing too much my man.
Posted by Reeq, Fri Dec-31-21 08:27 AM
2753898, okayplayer. n/m
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-31-21 09:34 AM
2756550, So do you still think this?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jan-25-22 10:11 PM
2753854, Coby White dropped a double/double
Posted by allStah, Thu Dec-30-21 04:22 PM
He dished out 12 dimes, and was solid on defense. That’s that Billy Donovan
coaching. He provided great distribution and protected the ball

We are still giving up too many damn points inside. Capela murdered us inside,
and we needed Derozsn to have an explosive quarter to really pull away.

I give credit to Vucevic for still getting his. I ride him a lot, but he does
try. I just wish he was more attentive and alert on defense, and that
he had better footwork. But he never gets tired.

2753855, Won: GSW vs Nuggets delayed
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Dec-30-21 04:40 PM
Nuggets don’t have 8 players to suit up. Malone and a couple of assistant coaches are in the protocols too.
2753859, "Woj," not "won." Fucking auto-correct
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Dec-30-21 05:59 PM
2753861, Your phone was like...fuck is a Woj???
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Dec-30-21 07:44 PM
.
2753857, Props to lakers nation for realizing their team is trash.
Posted by allStah, Thu Dec-30-21 04:51 PM
*raises glass*
2753870, still nobody wants to see a healthy Lebron and AD in a 7 game series.
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-30-21 09:28 PM
2753860, Woj: Cavs nearing deal with Lakers to acquire Rondo
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Dec-30-21 07:43 PM
.
2753872, Steve Nash got out coached by Doc , as I expected
Posted by guru0509, Thu Dec-30-21 09:48 PM
His lineups and substitutions are mind boggling and totally wasted a virtuoso performance from beard

Embid was having his way w Clapton , he needs to do something about his weight . I can’t imagine what Jokic would have done to him if that game wasn’t cancelled



>Derozan/ Lavine are the best duo in the league, drawing
>similarities
>to the greatest duo of all-time in Jordan/Pippen.
>
>Bulls still need some bigs, and I’m hoping they can figure
>something out
>to bring in Marvin Bagley.
>
>Other attractive bigs that cold be on the market soon:
>Plumlee and Zubak.
>Both players have a year left on their contracts that are
>either partially guaranteed
>or a team option.
>
>Mason Plumlee (Hornets): $9.1 million, $4.3 million
>guaranteed
>
>Ivica Zubac (Clippers): $7.5 million (team option).
>
>With Paul George set to be out of action for up to 2 months,
>and Kawhi
>is still rehabbing is ACL injury, this season could be a wash
>for the clippers.
>So the clippers might seek to make some moves before the trade
>deadline
>to decrease their payroll/ or to start setting themselves up
>for next season.
>
>Bagley/Plumlee/Zubak....I’ll take either one of them.
>
>Let’s make it happen.
>
>
>
>
>
2753883, actually it was Dan Burke asst coach
Posted by Johnny, Thu Dec-30-21 11:32 PM
Doc was out for COVID-19 protocols
great win for Philly
2753884, damn he misses D'Antoni so bad lol
Posted by guru0509, Thu Dec-30-21 11:46 PM
>Doc was out for COVID-19 protocols
>great win for Philly
2753891, Claxton lol* , autocorrect.
Posted by guru0509, Fri Dec-31-21 04:22 AM

>
>Embid was having his way w Clapton ,
2753878, embiid was telling durant to go home *in brooklyn*.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Dec-30-21 10:44 PM
2753885, Kuzma is a focking animal!
Posted by allStah, Fri Dec-31-21 12:58 AM
Did y’all see that dude today??

God damn. Him and Beal have a nice duo.

Poor, poor lakers.
2753886, LMAO. As Lakers fan, this is fucking hilarious
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Dec-31-21 01:31 AM
I know too well what it’s like to be excited by a Kyle Kuzma 25/10 line.

Hate to break it to you, but that's usually followed by a string of 12/5, 7/2, 5/1, 14/8, games.

His defense will come and go, looking good one night, horrible the next and both at varying degrees the night after that.

Nobody in Lakerland is bothered that Kuz is no longer here to be the definition of ok role player.

If anything, we just wish we'd have shipped his ass out for Buddy Hield instead of Russ.

2753896, Right, I said this from day 1. He’s an average player
Posted by Beezo, Fri Dec-31-21 09:21 AM
that might have a good game from time to time.

>Nobody in Lakerland is bothered that Kuz is no longer here to
>be the definition of ok role player.

2753976, best duo in NBA,drawing similarities to one of the GOAT duos West/Baylor
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Dec-31-21 07:34 PM
>Did y’all see that dude today??
>
>God damn. Him and Beal have a nice duo.
2753889, Rondo to the Cavs???
Posted by Kira, Fri Dec-31-21 02:00 AM
Call me crazy but there has to be a better option than Rjon Rondo at point for us.
2753897, who? where?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-31-21 09:32 AM
>Call me crazy but there has to be a better option than Rjon
>Rondo at point for us.
2753901, Nah, dude... this is a Day 1 jersey buy for me
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Dec-31-21 12:14 PM
In this shitty situation, you need a VET PG.

That the Lakers were in a situation were you can get one where it does them a big favor and doesn't cost the Cavs shit is a dream in the middle of this nightmare.

Disabled Player Exception wasn't used so there must be something else coming.

If Rondo holds up Cavs will soon be back to cookin again.
2753945, Low risk move. Why not
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Dec-31-21 05:00 PM
(For the Cavs I mean. Means nothing for the Lakers really.)
2753957, Free Stix!!
Posted by Beezo, Fri Dec-31-21 05:27 PM
2754003, Coby White!
Posted by allStah, Fri Dec-31-21 09:12 PM
That’s back to back elite games! We got guards galore!

None is seeing our guards!

Interior defense still getting ate the fock up though.. we gotta
fix that shit
2754005, Demar hit a crazy game winner
Posted by Johnny, Fri Dec-31-21 09:22 PM
off one leg, terrible shot but he nailed it to win the game

i was sleeping on the bulls this year
but quietly they have 2 of the top 6 scorers in the league right now.

will be interesting to see them in the playoffs
2754014, So Kevin Love suddenly remembered how to play basketball?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Dec-31-21 09:56 PM
2754023, Rubio has helped immensely in that regard
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Dec-31-21 10:18 PM
that game was wasted, though. 35 from Kevin Love, and he had to play way too many minutes because Lauri Markannen was ass tonight.

This team struggles mightily without Darius Garland.

Dare I say it, with Sexland available, Atlanta gets their asses whipped (that was true before this season).

Kevin Pangos needs to be hanging out in the chow line after this shit, now that Goodwin has shown what he can do, he needs to be the "Emergency PG".

Garland and Rondo can't get here soon enough.
2754146, He absolutely loves the youth movement for the Cavs
Posted by Castro, Sun Jan-02-22 03:39 PM
and he sees it as a way of going out with a bang.
2754038, i guess I will continue to just hope for ADs health
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Dec-31-21 11:30 PM
cause Lebron looks...like Lebron still. Malik is balling. Westbrook is mostly balling

its just hard for me to think that if healthy these players can be beaten 4/7 game
2754039, Lakers played against a Portland G league team.
Posted by allStah, Sat Jan-01-22 12:59 AM
Y’all ain’t beating anyone that matters.

2754062, the Lakers started G-league players last night
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jan-01-22 05:48 PM
2754040, Lakers got a much needed win tonight, need a few
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jan-01-22 01:15 AM
2754086, James Harden is officially in the MVP conversation.
Posted by allStah, Sat Jan-01-22 09:25 PM
This dude has been on a complete tear.
2754145, True.
Posted by Castro, Sun Jan-02-22 03:38 PM
2754088, DeRozan dagger
Posted by Beezo, Sat Jan-01-22 09:42 PM
2754095, nba is insane this year.
Posted by Reeq, Sat Jan-01-22 10:17 PM
this gotta be the most ive been interested in the regular season in a while.
2754185, same. and derozan balling. LOTTA cats balling this year. shit is crazy.
Posted by poetx, Sun Jan-02-22 04:56 PM

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad
2754089, Derozan is MVP! Right now!
Posted by allStah, Sat Jan-01-22 09:46 PM
Fock that!


He is on some Jordan shit right now.

Props out to Coby for running the point. He does something that Ball
can’t do, and that is his ability to score from all over. So he is going
to be huge as a sixth man.

Give props to Lavine for probably his best defensive performance...
He clamped up Beal in the final minute.

Great game, both teams balled out.

Beal runs the point better than Spencer....and Kuzma was
a monster again...lolLakersloll...as well as KCP

We still got murdered in the paint, though. Gotta fix that shit soon.
We gave up 72 points in the paint!
2754097, right behind stef (i.e. he has no shot but the story is incredible)
Posted by RandomFact, Sat Jan-01-22 10:30 PM
who would've thought.
2754101, First place in the east!
Posted by allStah, Sat Jan-01-22 10:50 PM
But we can’t keep doing this every night though. We have to
fix our paint issues. It’s no good for a playoff series.

Let’s go!
2754090, Wiggins a legit all star candidate
Posted by Amritsar, Sat Jan-01-22 09:57 PM
Career highs in FG and 3PT %. Guy is shooting 43% from three and guards the other teams best player most nights.

Love watching him start to attack when steph sits. He gives us critical , efficient play in those minutes.

Perfect complementary piece
2754093, two way wigs.
Posted by Reeq, Sat Jan-01-22 10:14 PM
got donovan mitchell seeing ghosts right now too.

lowkey the most consistent player on this championship caliber team.
2754188, yep. despite all them bullshit calls. dubs had donovan d'd up. but wigs
Posted by poetx, Sun Jan-02-22 05:00 PM
been balling and getting better and better.

(had another glaring unforced turnover this game at around 3 min (only glaring because he's been playing so efficiently and it's out of character)).

but damn. when he's in his bag. just very smooth and impactful.

with him moving down to a number THREE option on O? man...

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad
2754096, i see why people dont take utah seriously
Posted by Reeq, Sat Jan-01-22 10:20 PM
regardless of their record.

dudes go up against a real team and look flustered on both ends.
2754099, aaaand as soon as i say that…
Posted by Reeq, Sat Jan-01-22 10:36 PM
2754098, young glove legit plays like a 6’8 nigga.
Posted by Reeq, Sat Jan-01-22 10:32 PM
2754112, Steph's dagger over two defenders was insane
Posted by mrhood75, Sun Jan-02-22 12:50 AM
You can hear the Utah play-by-play guy completely deflate in silence.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1477498369907953667
2754116, Steve Nash outcoached by the Clippers assistants down 9 players
Posted by guru0509, Sun Jan-02-22 02:10 AM
this dude is a coaching bimbo. wasted another amazing performance by harden.
2754147, DeMar is LOCKED in. Love it. League has so many crazy stories.
Posted by Castro, Sun Jan-02-22 03:44 PM
2754257, I feel like I can't focus on it
Posted by Nodima, Mon Jan-03-22 01:07 PM
Like, I'm still listening to all my podcasts but whenever I pull up highlights or try to watch a game that's not the Warriors or Suns I find myself confused or disappointed about who is or isn't playing


I admit I could watch more Bulls though

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2754211, WNBA story
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sun Jan-02-22 07:56 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1477805538083704833

Zack Quinones, a fan of the WNBA, reached out to one of his favorite players, Isabelle Harrison, nearly two years after attempting suicide.

She gave him hope and gifted him an all-expenses-paid trip to see her play next season 🙏

(h/t @Khristina2334)

2754217, Free Stix!!
Posted by Beezo, Sun Jan-02-22 09:15 PM
2754220, Jaylen Brown dropped a 50 pieces wing dinner
Posted by allStah, Sun Jan-02-22 09:28 PM
with a side of fries and a small sprite.
2754224, Patrick Beverly is a dumbass and overrated as a defender
Posted by guru0509, Sun Jan-02-22 11:41 PM

smh
2754253, The Wolves were 28th in defense last year. Now they're 15th.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jan-03-22 12:54 PM
Part of that can be attributed to the coaching change. Part of that can also certainly be contributed to the Wolves playing Jarred Vanderbilt more this year than last.

But a big part of the credit also belongs to Beverly. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's got the highest defensive box plus minus on the team. He sets the tone.

He is often a dumbass, though. lol.
2754254, That was in reference to a sequence last night where he...
Posted by guru0509, Mon Jan-03-22 12:57 PM
dribbled it off his foot one possession...next possession he waves off help and completely bricks a 15 footer with 20 seconds on the shot clock...

then he comes down with the ball hyper as hell running fast as hell and throws it out of bounds while Naz Reid gave him the o_0 look

>Part of that can be attributed to the coaching change. Part
>of that can also certainly be contributed to the Wolves
>playing Jarred Vanderbilt more this year than last.
>
>But a big part of the credit also belongs to Beverly. I don't
>think it's a coincidence that he's got the highest defensive
>box plus minus on the team. He sets the tone.
>
>He is often a dumbass, though. lol.
2754231, Mobley and Badman Barnes still surprising from the rookie class
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jan-03-22 12:40 AM
Barnes is out here taking step back 3s already.

And Mobley??????? what he's doing on offense already is wild.

it's a shame that both teams have been slammed by COVID and have not had a real matchup since earlier in the season.
2754262, T-Dot is going to be a team nobody wants to play in three months.
Posted by Castro, Mon Jan-03-22 02:36 PM
Van Vleet has turned into Young Damon Stoudamire, and he is surrounded by a Mazda MPV full of mobile long armed Africans who can shoot threes.

If Gary Trent Jr. plays well and they stay healthy....they will present matchup problems for just about everyone else.
2754252, Haven’t heard from Screaming A Smith in more than a week
Posted by guru0509, Mon Jan-03-22 12:37 PM
Hopefully covid isn’t kicking his ass 😬



>Derozan/ Lavine are the best duo in the league, drawing
>similarities
>to the greatest duo of all-time in Jordan/Pippen.
>
>Bulls still need some bigs, and I’m hoping they can figure
>something out
>to bring in Marvin Bagley.
>
>Other attractive bigs that cold be on the market soon:
>Plumlee and Zubak.
>Both players have a year left on their contracts that are
>either partially guaranteed
>or a team option.
>
>Mason Plumlee (Hornets): $9.1 million, $4.3 million
>guaranteed
>
>Ivica Zubac (Clippers): $7.5 million (team option).
>
>With Paul George set to be out of action for up to 2 months,
>and Kawhi
>is still rehabbing is ACL injury, this season could be a wash
>for the clippers.
>So the clippers might seek to make some moves before the trade
>deadline
>to decrease their payroll/ or to start setting themselves up
>for next season.
>
>Bagley/Plumlee/Zubak....I’ll take either one of them.
>
>Let’s make it happen.
>
>
>
>
>