Primarily, this is an anti-jinx attempt. I hope that by bringing the board's attention to how bad this Philly-rockin' 20 foot pull-up bamma is at basketball, SOMEHOW the basketball Gods will prove me wrong, as they so often love to do.

But it won't happen. So, I'm here to confess and apologize.

1. I'm scared. Just gonna put it out there. I believe Kyrie is one of the most talented players I've ever seen in my life and right now he is dealing with the kinda toxic situation I haven't seen since Jamal Crawford, Jalen Rose, Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry made life miserable for Jason Williams his rookie year in Chicago...because they were jealous of him. He could do things on the court that they simply weren't capable of and they didn't like him.

I feel like Dion, being the fake thug/bamma he is is turning players against Kyrie, talmbout he not giving "US" the ball enough, because he is jealous. And this is all because he's been playing basketball most of his life and he STILL doesn't know how to create a shot for himself WITHOUT THE BALL...he don't MOVE. If you watch Klay or Beal, the best two young SGs, they pass the ball and SLIDE/FADE/DRIFT to OPEN AREAS on the basketball court. This is SIMPLE stuff. He don't do it. He stands and waits for the ball. It's disgusting. And his release is absolutely USPS-slow. Beal and Klay...catch, straight up, fire. Dion? Catch, think, bounce, rock, fade on a contested J a foot inside the line...miss.

2. I apologize to everyone who said Beal was a beast...even Chad Ford. I also even apologize to Truth, even though he's a bamma and this is the only thing he's ever been right about on this board, as far as I can remember. And I'm still ignoring all his posts like he don't exists.

I also apologize to OE for disagreeing that Lance Stephenson would be a better fit. Even tho Lance isn't the knockdown shooter I want alongside Kyrie...he waaaaay better than what there right now. I'd take Rodney Stuckey over what's there. EASY.


so, hopefully this show of agenda-vulnerability will bring me some karmic blessings and Kyrie can make the All-Star team despite this mess, because, honestly, that's all I can look forward to I think.

Cavs real sorry.

They going to the lottery again and I know Chris Grant ain't gonna do nothing but try to outsmart everyone again and take Dante Exum or Gary Harris with a top 3 pick.


And I reserve my right to Cuban B this post if the Cavs turn it around. But they won't.

sued for sexual harassment.

so....better?

and y'all stuck in limbo with overpaid declining fake "stars" EXACTLY like i said

did we go further than anytime with zeke??

y'all suck and don't even have a lottery pick. shut up.

not have to spend the offseason in court defending a sexual harassment claim or not?

A simple yes or no devoid of emotion and anger will suffice.

now you don't want to talk about it? lolz

I detected emotion by the way.

You, OE, that Cuse fans and all the rest of Knicks fans been on "Turn those machines back on" status ever since PG locked your fat star up for 3 4th quarters last May.

Let's be reality. You BEEN hurt. And you was hurt last night and I ain't even go in.

thought we'd get killed yesterday. i don't believe in moral victories for a vet team, but I was pleased that we actually competed for a change.

See I can be honest about the knicks and when they suck. Can you be honest about us having better seasons with melo then we ever had with zeke since YOU the one that brought up zeke?

that's why y'all cyse the post-isiah era so much. y'all STILL SORRY...with allegedly one of the top 5 players in the L.

than THEE ZEKE ERA lol.

Calm down Mush, just don't look at my dice!

>sued for sexual harassment.
>
>so....better?

>sued for sexual harassment.
>
>so....better?

it aint gonna work in cleveland.

"no excuses" and "i don't care, just make it through the season" are easily occupying the same spot in my mind.

Now would that mean anything in the long run or development of these young teams? Who knows.

But yeah, if I was you, I'd be mad at the front office fucking up your guys future since they've had many opportunities.

Taking Tristan and not picking Jonas. That looks like a fuck up. But who knows with foreign guys.

Taking Dion, thinking he'd mesh with Kyrie. That's a fuck up.

I still like Bennett, but the player development has to be on point. From watching him yesterday, his body language didn't look good. And it'd be sad, if the situation gets too big for him this early and ruins his career, because contrary to some dudes that see a pile on and love to do a Great Muta Moonsault on top, Bennett is a tremendous talent. Him and T.T. might be a bit redundant.

you can't be stubborn and prideful all you want. WALL gonna be in limbo for YEARS.

but, it's long-game time. I've seen enough.

>2. I apologize to everyone who said Beal was a beast...even
>Chad Ford. I also even apologize to Truth, even though he's a
>bamma and this is the only thing he's ever been right about on
>this board, as far as I can remember. And I'm still ignoring
>all his posts like he don't exists.

I was right about your boy AR too.. You been mad every since I clowned your dumb ass for trying to be "deep" with Shawn in the Jeremy Lin Reloaded post. You don't have to respond to my posts, I know you are still reading them, lol.

when they drafted him.

The Cavs are at least 'trying' but they seem to always fuck things up somehow (along with a bit of bad luck).

Tristan was prolly the right pick in 2011 after they got Kyrie. Only Klay was prolly deserving of consideration at #4 but that was still kinda high for him at the time. Maybe they trade down with the Warriors and net a young big or something and get Klay but outside of that...eh. Faried, Nikola Vucevic were unknowns.

Only Jonas woulda been a better pick and it took a season for him to get to the US. Then instead of taking Singler or Parsons in the second round, they took Justin Harper...another PF. Dumb. They needed shooters to develop to open the floor for Kyrie and had a guy with double-double potential at #4 already.

in 2012, everybody but the Cavs knew the picks for them were either, Barnes or Drummond. A SF that could shoot and play D and not have to worry about being the #1 guy (nor prolly doesn't desire that designation) but could grow and help that team win or a Big C to develop as insurance because Andy is fragile (if you're gonna take a chance on Bynum, may as well done so with Drummond).

And this yr Ben McLemore shoulda been the pick, even with #1. Trade Waiters for a SF. Maybe to ATL in a sign and trade for Josh Smith or Den for Iggy. Shoulda took Plumlee and kept Allen Crabbe too.

Kyrie
B-Mac
Josh or Iggy
Tristan
Drummond

^^^How I woulda did it.

He not gonna win a title in Clev (unless Bron come back).

One is murdering your message board agenda. The other is murdering an entire SPORT for 8.3 million people.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10042361/cleveland-cavaliers-hurting-chances-lebron-james-return

In early December 2010, LeBron James returned to Cleveland for the first time since signing with the Miami Heat as a free agent the previous summer. James' new team handed his old one a 118-90 shellacking, part of the early stages of a stretch that saw the Cavaliers lose 36 of their next 37 games. Consider that return the Ghost of LeBron Past.

Tonight's meeting, the first between Cleveland and Miami this season, was supposed to be the Ghost of LeBron Future -- a chance for the Cavaliers to demonstrate to James how far they'd come since then, and potentially even the start of a pitch to bring James back to Cleveland as a free agent next summer. Instead, with the Cavaliers mired in a disappointing 4-10 start to the season that has featured more players-only meetings (1) than wins by double figures (0), it serves as a painful reminder that their rebuilding plan has gone off track. The culprit? The front office's failure to turn a bevy of high draft picks into production on the court.

Over the last three drafts, Cleveland has made a league-high six first-round picks -- two per year, including four selections in the lottery. Twice, the Cavaliers have picked fourth, and in both 2011 and 2013 they landed the No. 1 overall pick. Yet only one of these picks, point guard Kyrie Irving, ranks among Cleveland's top five players in terms of wins above replacement (WARP) this season. While Irving is off to a slow start this season, he reached the All-Star Game before his 21st birthday and is ahead of schedule in terms of his development, even for a top pick. But the Cavaliers' other first-rounders have yet to produce the kind of supporting cast that could take Cleveland back to the postseason and convince James, or another top free agent, that the Cavaliers are a superstar away from championship contention.

Based on nearly a decade's worth of drafts, we can establish a baseline for expected performance from various picks in each season of their career. For example, a typical No. 1 pick would produce 7.3 WARP during his third year, or 1.2 over the 14 games Cleveland has played thus far. Irving, with 1.4, has actually outperformed this mark. The Cavaliers' other first-round picks have not:

Player Pick Expected WARP Actual WARP
Kyrie Irving 1 1.2 1.4
Tristan Thompson 4 0.8 0.1
Dion Waiters 4 0.5 0.0
Tyler Zeller 17 0.2 -0.1
Anthony Bennett 1 0.5 -0.4
Sergey Karasev 19 0.1 -0.1
Total 3.4 0.9
Besides Irving 2.2 -0.5
We'd expect the five other first-round picks besides Irving to have produced about 2.2 WARP so far this season. Instead, four of the five have rated near replacement level with Anthony Bennett's sub-replacement production thus far during his rookie season dragging the group down. The deficit of nearly three wins essentially explains the difference between Cleveland's actual start and a .500 record. That such a large group of players is struggling suggests a systematic issue. Let's take a closer look at the other three lottery picks.

Tristan Thompson (No. 4, 2011)


Thompson
The Cavaliers may have reached for Thompson with the second of their two top-four picks in 2011. Insider's Chad Ford rated him seventh on his big board, behind three players who were still available -- Jonas Valanciunas, Brandon Knight and Kawhi Leonard.

Thompson has proven a serviceable power forward, and played well during the second half of last season, when his 4.1 WARP put him ahead of the expectation for a second-year No. 4 pick (3.2). While converting from shooting with his left hand to his right hand has helped Thompson at the free throw line, where he's shooting 75.4 percent, he's having a tough time finishing around the rim and is making just 43.2 percent of his 2-point attempts. At best, Thompson has yet to demonstrate the upside that would justify drafting him ahead of Valanciunas.

Dion Waiters (No. 4, 2012)


Waiters
Another year, another surprise from Cleveland on draft night. Waiters too was rated seventh on Ford's Big Board, behind Damian Lillard, Andre Drummond and Thomas Robinson. Though a point guard would have made little sense for a team that already had Irving, and the Cavaliers don't look likely to regret passing on Robinson, they again opted against drafting a high-upside center. Already a starter in his second season, Drummond has star potential.

By contrast, Waiters' sophomore campaign has been troubling. On the court, he's shown little growth in his shot selection or consistency. Waiters too has been unable to finish around the basket, which won't likely continue. But he won't be an efficient scorer until he turns more of his long 2-point attempts (which represent 38.3 percent of his shots, per NBA.com/Stats) into 3-pointers (24.2 percent of his shots). As an undersized volume scorer, he's probably best suited in a reserve role, not starting next to Irving.

Anthony Bennett (No. 1, 2013)


Bennett
Then there's Bennett, whose terrible shooting start (he missed his first 16 shot attempts) drew boos from Cleveland fans last week and has produced a 2.3 PER to date. Continuing the theme, the Cavaliers went for Ford's fourth-rated player with the No. 1 pick. In part, they were handcuffed by this year's draft class. Aside from No. 11 pick Michael Carter-Williams, another point guard, none of this year's rookies has separated from the pack. In fact, No. 12 overall selection Steven Adams is the only other lottery pick who currently rates better than replacement level.

In time, Bennett will surely play better. He was an accurate shooter during his lone season at UNLV, suggesting the shooting slump is more a product of rust after shoulder surgery and shot selection (27 of his 42 shot attempts have come outside the paint, including 2-of-15 3-point shooting) than lack of skill. Bennett needs to work to improve his conditioning and learn how he can get his shots at the NBA level, but it's far too early to write him off.

Of course, Bennett also plays the same position as Thompson -- the first month of his career has put to rest any notions he could play on the wing -- and wasn't seen as the top pick of the draft outside the Cleveland draft room. So his upside is probably more as a complementary piece than a second star.

Starting with Bennett, all three top picks are bound to play better the rest of the season. Unless things change drastically, however, it may be too late even in the dismal Eastern Conference to produce the kind of exciting playoff run the Cavaliers would have needed to have a chance to parlay their 2014 cap space into one of the top players available. Since the current crop of talent seems unlikely to yield a second star to go with Irving, signing one in free agency was the best hope Cleveland had of jumping into contention. As a result, the Cavaliers' draft reaches could haunt them for years to come.

Thompson was a reach but, honestly, he wasn't a bad pick.

"At best, Thompson has yet to demonstrate the upside that would justify drafting him ahead of Valanciunas."

I haven't seen a ton of Jonas but I really don't see how he is somehow better than Tristan or someone you need to justify passing on. That comment is also odd given that the other guy they passed on was Kawhi, who is the best of the bunch. (And they weren't going to draft Brandon Knight with Kyrie in tow.)

he was a reach at 4 but it was a weak draft.

it's a lot of okay pfs/cs in the draft but none i'd honestly say are all thatmuch better or have a better future than tristan

he plays with derozan, lowry, and rudy "top shotta" gay.\
that's why the edict in Tdot is everyone's available but Jonas.


a high pnr w/ kyrie and jonas is better than any set cle or tor is running.

when Cam was being a bitch and missing open guys and sulking, I called him on it. He needed to be better.

I question Coach K EVERY YEAR and blame him when Duke flops in March.

I am not gonna blame Kyrie because Bynum can't play 25 minutes, Andy's legs are dead and THEY MISSED ON THREE STRAIGHT TOP FOUR PICKS!!!!!

Nah, I refuse to approach this in a black and white fashion. Kyrie is the LEAST of their problems and if Cavs fans wanna keep being stupid and folding their arms like "Well, he the star, he supposed to win us games" shit, he HAS WON YALL GAMES!!! And they watchin!?!?!? who the fuck else is gonna help him win MORE games?

And yet you thought a Carmelo Anthony-led Knicks
team with JR Smith as the second scoring option should beat
an Indiana Pacer team which is looking like a juggernaut
now, with far and away the best starting 5 in basketball

You're not consistent, and therefore people are going
to continue to attack you

AND you threw dirt on Born Ready just to keep up your
shitty agenda....now you're making friends...but it doesn't
work that way: be smart, clear, and think shit through

Sorry, guy

jr smith is capable of being reallllly good at basketball. he just hasn't given any fucks for most of career.

>jr smith is capable of being reallllly good at basketball. he
>just hasn't given any fucks for most of career.

He's a shitty, sometimey shooter scorer who will never
have a meaningful role on a relevant team.

That is Carmelo's #2 option.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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j.r.'s only negative is he's got a little gunner and a little sjax in him. but he mirrors the character of the teams he's on.

he could easily fill in your boy lance's spot.

the leader on the knicks is a stats stuff whose career will be defined by one huge gamble in choice of team that ended up being a poor decision. j.r. is just falling in with the example of his team leadership.

>j.r.'s only negative is he's got a little gunner and a little
>sjax in him. but he mirrors the character of the teams he's
>on.

No, he's just not very good. Shush.

>he could easily fill in your boy lance's spot.

Well, no, he couldn't actually.

>the leader on the knicks is a stats stuff whose career will be
>defined by one huge gamble in choice of team that ended up
>being a poor decision. j.r. is just falling in with the
>example of his team leadership.

Got it, so we're blaming Carmelo for all of JR Smith's
woes. Cool.



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i can halfass blame melo for j.r.....cause thats actually realistic.

j.r. smith's contract and skillset actually would benefit a team like the spurs, heat, thunder, or pacers.

melo's contract and skill set says he actually has to be a cornerstone building a team that good, but he fucked that up.

>i can halfass blame melo for j.r.....

JR is what he is. He's not a very good basketball player.
I don't hate him for that. He gave the Knicks his very
best last year, and it was good at times. But he's not a
meaningful basketball player on a good team.


>j.r. smith's contract and skillset actually would benefit a
>team like the spurs, heat, thunder, or pacers.

And JR Smith's contract proves my point: he cost himself
tens of millions of dollars with his playoff performance
and had NO SUITORS outside of the Knicks. Zero. Nobody
wanted him.

>melo's contract and skill set says he actually has to be a
>cornerstone building a team that good, but he fucked that up.

He led a team to a #2 seed, losing to a very good Pacer team
in the plaoyffs. That is a "good team." He did it without the
actual franchise player (going by salary, Amare Stoudemire is)
and an injured Tyson Chandler. He did his part.

No player, Lebron included, gets the Knicks past Indiana
in the playoffs last year.

And I'm not gonna let you forget that you said JR Smith is
as good as Lance Stephenson. ZERO coaches, GMs would take
JR over Born Ready. None.

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1. Carmelo 30 and 11 years deep and has lost series his teams shouldn't have lost. that's why I made the thread last May, because I knew they'd lose. You still so aggy about that shit that you puttin words in my mouth about THIS YEAR when I have not even been saying shit about the Knicks struggles. I flat out don't care about them. I ain't been saying shit, because OBVIOUSLY, I got other shit on my mind with the NBA. Melo at the forefront of YOUR thoughts, not mine, so don't bring all your Melo-centric insights and unsolicited, unnecessary Melo-agenda correlating bullshit in my threads. Take that shit elsewhere.

2. No one threw shit on Lance. I said I don't want him next to Kyrie. I've always wanted a knockdown shooter there and he not that. That's all I said. And I'm admitting now that if take him over Dion...not over Klay, who I fuckin screamed for 3 years ago, but OVER DION. Now, if you so pressed that you can't take a no holds barred "nigga, you was right... I was wrong" on this shit...oh well ... Bye, nigga.

>1. Carmelo 30 and 11 years deep and has lost series his teams
>shouldn't have lost.

You pointed to ONE series against the Jazz; you thought
Denver should have beaten them, EVEN THOUGH THE JAZZ
WAS THE HIGHER SEED, which pretty much shits all over your
"play to seed" criteria.

Either niggas are supposed to "play to seed" or they are not.

Nobody who studies basketball thought the Knicks were better
than the Pacers when the playoffs arrived. Zero. You STILL
used a SUPERIOR TEAM beating an INFERIOR TEAM as fodder for
your DC niggerisms against Baltimore Carmelo.


that's why I made the thread last May,
>because I knew they'd lose. You still so aggy about that shit
>that you puttin words in my mouth about THIS YEAR when I have
>not even been saying shit about the Knicks struggles. I flat
>out don't care about them. I ain't been saying shit, because
>OBVIOUSLY, I got other shit on my mind with the NBA. Melo at
>the forefront of YOUR thoughts, not mine, so don't bring all
>your Melo-centric insights and unsolicited, unnecessary
>Melo-agenda correlating bullshit in my threads. Take that shit
>elsewhere.


Nah, nigga.

Let's look at the facts-

Kyrie's sidekick is Dion Waiters.

Dion Waiters is a better basketball player, by about
4 miles, than JR Smith, who is Carmelo's main sidekick.

Not debatable.

YOU STILL SHAT ALL OVER CARMELO ANTHONY.

But we supposed to be understanding of Kyrie?!?!? All of
a sudden environment matters?

Nigga....no.

Be consistent.

Kyrie's #2 is better than Carmelo's. You blamed CARMELO for
the Knicks woes. NO DISCUSSION, remember?

I wanna hear you discuss KYRIE, and ONLY KYRIE. THAT's IT!

>2. No one threw shit on Lance. I said I don't want him next to
>Kyrie. I've always wanted a knockdown shooter there and he not
>that. That's all I said.

Knockdown shooter? Like Otto Porter?

Just stop.


And I'm admitting now that if take
>him over Dion...not over Klay, who I fuckin screamed for 3
>years ago, but OVER DION. Now, if you so pressed that you
>can't take a no holds barred "nigga, you was right... I was
>wrong" on this shit...oh well ... Bye, nigga.




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i don't wanna go back and forth with you about carmelo. you mad about it and you shoehorn that dude into everything.

and yes, from the CORNER, otto is a knockdown shooter...just like kawhi leonard, or batty, or nick anderson or bruce bowen or any fuckin SF over the past 25 years who hits corner threes at a good clip.

Melo had been there TWO times by the time he was
Kyrie age

But its all environment, right?

Carmelo isn't responsible for his teams NEVER missing
the playoffs

But when Kyrie don't make it, you talking about a goddamn
corner jumpshooter

Nigga, stop it

>i don't wanna go back and forth with you about carmelo. you
>mad about it and you shoehorn that dude into everything.

Nah, you not being consistent

>and yes, from the CORNER, otto is a knockdown shooter...just
>like kawhi leonard, or batty, or nick anderson or bruce bowen
>or any fuckin SF over the past 25 years who hits corner threes
>at a good clip.

Weird, because you just told me Otto was a "glue guy"

Lance could stand around hit fucking threes in the corner
all by himself, good gried

He doesn't, because he's busy running the fucking offense
so that his STAR TEAMMATE can operate how he wants to
operate AND BR defends the opposing team's best wing AND
often makes the sure the 2nd team bums don't ruin the game
AND....AND....AND


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Over 20 times on this board and the podcast. I said I want him to replace Gee in that corner. So this once again proves you hear what you wanna hear and you mad about some shit from May.

I understand you prolly sittin there eatin some thick bitch pussy (or whatever dumb shit you gonna say you doing) and smiling thinking you gettin in some good needling. But all you doing is making it harder for yourself moving forward. You don't want me to CARE about the fuckin Knicks and Melo. You really don't.

>Over 20 times on this board and the podcast. I said I want
>him to replace Gee in that corner. So this once again proves
>you hear what you wanna hear and you mad about some shit from
>May.

Nah, you're not being consistent-

Kyrie hasn't made the playoffs, ever.

Carmelo hasn't missed the playoffs, ever.

In the former case, you blame his teammates, coach,
city, weather, political landscape, menstrual cycles,
star alignments, etc.

In the later case you blame Carmelo Anthony for being shitty
and fat.

Discuss openly and honestly, thine double standard.


>I understand you prolly sittin there eatin some thick bitch
>pussy (or whatever dumb shit you gonna say you doing)

I'm sitting 8 feet from a winning stallion. She reading meaningful
stuff about something. I'm making you mad. We going to see some
Hunger Games in a few, after which I might very well do some
eating, after I pick my teeth for them there popcorn kernels

and
>smiling thinking you gettin in some good needling. But all you
>doing is making it harder for yourself moving forward. You
>don't want me to CARE about the fuckin Knicks and Melo. You
>really don't.

Gimme a hug, bro. I'm serious.

I'd invite you over for Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow if I could.

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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10042361/cleveland-cavaliers-hurting-chances-lebron-james-return

In early December 2010, LeBron James returned to Cleveland for the first time since signing with the Miami Heat as a free agent the previous summer. James' new team handed his old one a 118-90 shellacking, part of the early stages of a stretch that saw the Cavaliers lose 36 of their next 37 games. Consider that return the Ghost of LeBron Past.

Tonight's meeting, the first between Cleveland and Miami this season, was supposed to be the Ghost of LeBron Future -- a chance for the Cavaliers to demonstrate to James how far they'd come since then, and potentially even the start of a pitch to bring James back to Cleveland as a free agent next summer. Instead, with the Cavaliers mired in a disappointing 4-10 start to the season that has featured more players-only meetings (1) than wins by double figures (0), it serves as a painful reminder that their rebuilding plan has gone off track. The culprit? The front office's failure to turn a bevy of high draft picks into production on the court.

Over the last three drafts, Cleveland has made a league-high six first-round picks -- two per year, including four selections in the lottery. Twice, the Cavaliers have picked fourth, and in both 2011 and 2013 they landed the No. 1 overall pick. Yet only one of these picks, point guard Kyrie Irving, ranks among Cleveland's top five players in terms of wins above replacement (WARP) this season. While Irving is off to a slow start this season, he reached the All-Star Game before his 21st birthday and is ahead of schedule in terms of his development, even for a top pick. But the Cavaliers' other first-rounders have yet to produce the kind of supporting cast that could take Cleveland back to the postseason and convince James, or another top free agent, that the Cavaliers are a superstar away from championship contention.

Based on nearly a decade's worth of drafts, we can establish a baseline for expected performance from various picks in each season of their career. For example, a typical No. 1 pick would produce 7.3 WARP during his third year, or 1.2 over the 14 games Cleveland has played thus far. Irving, with 1.4, has actually outperformed this mark. The Cavaliers' other first-round picks have not:

Player Pick Expected WARP Actual WARP
Kyrie Irving 1 1.2 1.4
Tristan Thompson 4 0.8 0.1
Dion Waiters 4 0.5 0.0
Tyler Zeller 17 0.2 -0.1
Anthony Bennett 1 0.5 -0.4
Sergey Karasev 19 0.1 -0.1
Total 3.4 0.9
Besides Irving 2.2 -0.5
We'd expect the five other first-round picks besides Irving to have produced about 2.2 WARP so far this season. Instead, four of the five have rated near replacement level with Anthony Bennett's sub-replacement production thus far during his rookie season dragging the group down. The deficit of nearly three wins essentially explains the difference between Cleveland's actual start and a .500 record. That such a large group of players is struggling suggests a systematic issue. Let's take a closer look at the other three lottery picks.

Tristan Thompson (No. 4, 2011)


Thompson
The Cavaliers may have reached for Thompson with the second of their two top-four picks in 2011. Insider's Chad Ford rated him seventh on his big board, behind three players who were still available -- Jonas Valanciunas, Brandon Knight and Kawhi Leonard.

Thompson has proven a serviceable power forward, and played well during the second half of last season, when his 4.1 WARP put him ahead of the expectation for a second-year No. 4 pick (3.2). While converting from shooting with his left hand to his right hand has helped Thompson at the free throw line, where he's shooting 75.4 percent, he's having a tough time finishing around the rim and is making just 43.2 percent of his 2-point attempts. At best, Thompson has yet to demonstrate the upside that would justify drafting him ahead of Valanciunas.

Dion Waiters (No. 4, 2012)


Waiters
Another year, another surprise from Cleveland on draft night. Waiters too was rated seventh on Ford's Big Board, behind Damian Lillard, Andre Drummond and Thomas Robinson. Though a point guard would have made little sense for a team that already had Irving, and the Cavaliers don't look likely to regret passing on Robinson, they again opted against drafting a high-upside center. Already a starter in his second season, Drummond has star potential.

By contrast, Waiters' sophomore campaign has been troubling. On the court, he's shown little growth in his shot selection or consistency. Waiters too has been unable to finish around the basket, which won't likely continue. But he won't be an efficient scorer until he turns more of his long 2-point attempts (which represent 38.3 percent of his shots, per NBA.com/Stats) into 3-pointers (24.2 percent of his shots). As an undersized volume scorer, he's probably best suited in a reserve role, not starting next to Irving.

Anthony Bennett (No. 1, 2013)


Bennett
Then there's Bennett, whose terrible shooting start (he missed his first 16 shot attempts) drew boos from Cleveland fans last week and has produced a 2.3 PER to date. Continuing the theme, the Cavaliers went for Ford's fourth-rated player with the No. 1 pick. In part, they were handcuffed by this year's draft class. Aside from No. 11 pick Michael Carter-Williams, another point guard, none of this year's rookies has separated from the pack. In fact, No. 12 overall selection Steven Adams is the only other lottery pick who currently rates better than replacement level.

In time, Bennett will surely play better. He was an accurate shooter during his lone season at UNLV, suggesting the shooting slump is more a product of rust after shoulder surgery and shot selection (27 of his 42 shot attempts have come outside the paint, including 2-of-15 3-point shooting) than lack of skill. Bennett needs to work to improve his conditioning and learn how he can get his shots at the NBA level, but it's far too early to write him off.

Of course, Bennett also plays the same position as Thompson -- the first month of his career has put to rest any notions he could play on the wing -- and wasn't seen as the top pick of the draft outside the Cleveland draft room. So his upside is probably more as a complementary piece than a second star.

Starting with Bennett, all three top picks are bound to play better the rest of the season. Unless things change drastically, however, it may be too late even in the dismal Eastern Conference to produce the kind of exciting playoff run the Cavaliers would have needed to have a chance to parlay their 2014 cap space into one of the top players available. Since the current crop of talent seems unlikely to yield a second star to go with Irving, signing one in free agency was the best hope Cleveland had of jumping into contention. As a result, the Cavaliers' draft reaches could haunt them for years to come.

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>right now he is dealing with the kinda toxic situation I
>haven't seen since Jamal Crawford, Jalen Rose, Tyson Chandler
>and Eddy Curry made life miserable for Jason Williams his
>rookie year in Chicago...because they were jealous of him. He
>could do things on the court that they simply weren't capable
>of and they didn't like him.

Broussard is tweeting his shit

Plus he will help us tank!

waiter is t

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Cavs shopping Dion Waiters


Updated: November 27, 2013, 5:21 PM ET
By Chris Broussard | ESPN The Magazine

The Cleveland Cavaliers are actively shopping second-year shooting guard Dion Waiters, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Three teams the Cavaliers are known to have spoken with are the New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls and Philadelphia 76ers, the sources said. The Cavs' targets are Iman Shumpert in New York, Evan Turner in Philadelphia and Luol Deng in Chicago, sources said.

It is believed Cleveland has reached out to other clubs as well.

Waiters, whom the Cavaliers drafted with the No. 4 pick in 2012, has a contentious relationship with several teammates, including star point guard Kyrie Irving, and sources say he is open to being traded. In fact, although Waiters has not demanded a trade, he brought up the subject in a three-hour meeting last week with coach Mike Brown and general manager Chris Grant, according to sources.

The Cavaliers are looking to shake things up after a 4-10 start. Part of their problem has been the dysfunction in their locker room. Waiters, a 6-foot-4 guard, got into an altercation with forward Tristan Thompson during a players-only meeting after a 29-point loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov. 13, sources said.

Sources described the following account:

Irving called the meeting after the game, and every player spoke. When Waiters was given the floor, he criticized Thompson and Irving, accusing them of playing "buddy ball'' and often refusing to pass to him. Thompson took umbrage with Waiters' words and went back at him verbally. The two confronted each other, but teammates intervened before it could escalate into a fight.

However, Waiters and Irving are not close. Waiters believes the Cavaliers have a double standard when it comes to Irving, sources said. Waiters feels that while Irving is allowed to get away with loafing defensively, making turnovers and taking bad shots, he is taken out of games for such things. Waiters has shared his views with Brown and Grant.

Waiters is slumping after a promising rookie season -- both his scoring and shooting percentage are down.

If you watch Cavs games on the regular, you can actually see this muhfucka ignoring Kyrie when he wide open waving for the ball. Ky gets NO kickouts. That's part of why his shooting is down...that and brown's stupid ass high post bullshit.

I would be down for the Lu trade but that 2014 first would need to be included.

Your reward for hating on AI so hard is having to deal with this nightmare Son of AI sequel. Karma: still undefeated

As much as I wanna say Kyrie's low assist totals led some weight to his argument, His FG% is not helping him out much lol.

FOH!!! lmao

very wide margin

dude can actually play

Waiters looks like Magic Johnson next to JR Smith.

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Kyrie defense is atrocious.

I believe he is playing buddy ball and he needs to improve on D.

Let waiters go to Philly with MCW...the story will change on him when he has a distributor at the 1.


Maybe the Cavs need a Turner to be able point foward and help them win some games.



If we gave them Luol for Waiters and Sideshow, or Waiters and a 2014 pick we would come up huge.


Isiaih Thomas should be mentioned more on this board BTW. I am holding all of his stock and watching it rise... Bitcoin is getting his money off the bench even...

at least RBO has wall, but i ain't gonna stand for all you butthurt rose niggas dumpin on kyrie all year long.

the cavs are cow toeing to a star that hasn't really done shit
is waiters supposed to fall in line, avg 12-14 points or whatever while kyrie has top 5 USG% and the team goes to the lottery every year
that and waiters will get NO credit for anything, even when he outplays kyrie. cause the narrative is already set
fuck it i'd want to bounce too
right now the hierarchy and plan in cleveland is set and from where i'm sitting the shit ain't working and i don't know if it will ever work
under those circumstances i can't hate on a player thinking he's better than he may be and wanting to get into another situation where he can show some growth or at least have the fucking chance to be something more than an agenda scapegoat
and for what it's worth waiters does show flashes when kyrie is injured or out the game and he gets to dominate the ball
it's just a badly built team and i can't really hate on a dude seeing where he stands from the grand scheme of things and wanting to get the fuck out

kyrie performed his first two years and EARNED whatever awards he got.

dion a jealous fake philly hardrock bamma. fuck that dude. i can't wait until he gone.

Why buddy ball?

In all seriousness, Dion needs the right situation. He's talented, but he needs the right coach/team to get the most out of him.

Another case of Boeheim getting the most out of a player who can be difficult.

taking all of the shots....and letting niggaz eat.

i called this shit last yr and laugh at the kyrie excuse game, everybody and there grandma know dion is right kyrie is a shooting guard he ain't no pg and he was hella tight last yr when he got hurt the cavs were better on offense and waiters looked like young d wade. Kyrie was jealous of that shit. Dion and Kyrie play the same position which of course breeds competition, niggas need to get a real pg cuz kyrie ain't a pg in even the derrick rose russy style the muthafuck struggles to get assist because he is too busy learning what new harlem globetrotter shit rather than working on how to actually throw and entry to pass to bynum how many turnovers did he have in the third quarter on basically trying to throw an entry pass it was disgusting.

Kyrie in his dreams can never make a pass like this between two defender, wall is out here looking 2002 chad pennington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNk7w4Kraz4

Kyrie doesn't even play d i mean when has he punched a nigga shit so viciously mind you the block is on iman shumpert and everybody punches that non finishing nigga shit but i mean wall is moving the movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md3Gw2yiV38


don't think waiters aint seeing how everybody who plays with wall gets paid

andre blatche wall got him bread
tall light skin seven ft nigga wall got him bread
webster wall got him bread
beal wall got him looking like a more human looking reggie miller

in closing tell your pg to work on being a pg and stop the harlem globetrotter shit work on entry passes work on not trying to dribble out the corner you know shit all pg's know.can you blame waiters for wanting to slap kyrie his voice is so soft you just wanna make him your bitch and probably think all that harlem globetrotter shit he does with the ball he probably can do with his tongue.

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Mike Brown fault!

be the one to point out kyrie has lived up to his selection and dion is a reminder of several niggas the cavs COULDA had.

because, really, that's all that fuckin matters.

nigga you are one ugly muddafucka you love moving the goalpost if wall hasn't lived up to his selection how the fuck has kyrie lived up to his the nigga is a harlem globetrotting ass shooting guard positioned as a pg he has not court vision and cant make simple entry passes to the post and he has a love affair with tristan

The scapegoat...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2184123&mesg_id=2184123&listing_type=search#2184252



No excuses...

That would be embarrassing for Kyrie

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the cavs finished with a better record than the knicks?































oh

Kyrie is everyone's darling and is a "rising star" who
has never been to the playoffs

Carmelo has never missed the playoffs

unflippable.

Carmelo doesn't disappoint anyone by not making the
playoffs.

He's got lucky with that scoring title, remember?


: - )


Kyrie, on the other hand--he's an elite player, and elite
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The consensus is that Kyrie is a better player

So why isn't Kyrie's team good?

Oh, Waiters that right.

But why isn't Carmelo's team good?

Oh, its all Carmelo. That's right. Duh.


I'm about to walk with stallion to get a good cup of
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i'm just not gonna let you OE 3 wins into something other than 3 wins.

That's an OE win if there ever was one


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Still waiting on my longterm L with Kyrie...


Everything I have predicted has come to fruition


All people want to do now is deflect blame or talk about Jabari

Either Carmelo gets traded to a team where the
two guys making more money than him actually play
for the team

Knicks get someone good in return, or a pick

Or the Knicks tank and get a good player in the draft

Either way, Knicks fans win, and Carmelo ends up in a
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Again -- everybody wins

: - )

The Knicks winning 45-50 and not being a real threat, but being dumb enough to think they are leading to resigning Melo for the max and continuing to put nothing around him....nah.

Melo needs to get the hell out of there and go somewhere where's he's got some players around him, or to a team with the ability to put players around him.

NY needs to shut it down and retool. Melo got them back to the playoffs and gave them their best season in 15 years, but they aren't going beyond that. Amare's contract and lack of production will see to that.

I'm not even a Knicks fan, so I'd have no reason to cop pleas for them. I just root for all Cuse players.

And I don't need to cop pleas for Melo, he's doing his job. 27 and 10.

I want to see him on a better team.

a) He carried a horrible team to a 2 seed and division
title last year, WITHOUT THE REAL FRANCHISE PLAYER, which is
MORE than he was asked to do

b) This year he's not carrying the bums, and is building
a case to be traded to a good team

His resume is solid--he carried a team to above their
talent, won a scoring title in the best swingman scorer
era in decades

He can now go to an actual good TEAM

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excellent work here. will read again.lol

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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He didn't get what he signed up for

Shit breaths are in here saying that "he should have
known that Amare would break down," which is silly
because Chris Paul was trying to play with him too

Nobody *knew* that Amare would be a shadow of himself
by year 2

It was a perfectly reasonable move by Carmelo, that
happened not to work, and it wasn't his fault

That being the case, making himself marketable for a
trade would be a good idea

goddam the plea cops. lolololololol.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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According to his salary.

And he does not play basketball anymore. Some guy
wears his number who can barely run and jump.

in fact, how about Kyrie wins more than 25 games for starters.

By December


Unless they beat my sorry ass franchise without Rose, then that won't even happen.



LolCavsLol

Your franchise player is nothing more than Steve Francis 2.0

At least Francis and Cuttino could get along and share balls...


Kyrie running all the talent away.

.

haven't seen Kyrie freezing Waiters out as he claims

BUT (and there's a big one)

Kyrie DOES try and do too much which is why I think his shooting and 3-pt pct. are abysmal (%406, %312.) and maybe to Waiters its perceived as Kyrie not trying to give him the rock

What I'm noticing abt Kyrie is that as a point guard, a scoring point guard at that, he doesn't know how to put his teammates in a position to make the game easier for them, when the team gets behind he's tries and shoulder too much of the offensive load and oftentimes he ends up creating a turnover or taking an ill-advised shot...

He's supremely talented but he never learned to play *winning basketball* because of his brief time at Duke.

who is he supposed to be putting in position to score? has it occured to ANYONE that these niggas just ain't scorers?

andy never dropped double figures in his life until kyrie rookie year. now i know lebron can set folks up, but he couldn't set that bamma up to the tune of double figs.

only way dion gettin 20ppg is with 20FGa per game. period.

standing around waiting for him to make something happen

As a point guard, he probably has to do more directing on the court and telling those players where they should be on the floor. Lets not forget that several of the Cavs core group of players are young and haven't been on winning teams.

I would imagine if Chris Paul or a Rajon Rondo was the Cavs point guard the Cavs offense wouldn't be as stagnant because of their pass-first-shoot second approach to the game which would make the game a lot easier for those guys to be more involved offensively, Kyrie, on the other hand, never learned that aspect of the point guard position which is why he usually ends up trying to do it all himself when the team gets behind -- this is where I can see his game could've benefited from playing a full season at Duke. He needs another scorer to take some of the offensive load off of him (maybe a Danny Granger?)

they don't even think to reverse the ball, dogg. you know what, it has occured to me that he should STOP directing and let niggas just play. maybe they are inclined to cut to an open spot, but they running this garbage offense.

other than flat out bad vibes in the lockerroom, i can't tell you all that's wrong.

Kyrie had 6ast though and most importantly Cavs win so I don't give a fuck


But Dion is mad underrated

Because all this sample sizing that's going on with Cavs fans and Waiters and some bullshit. If the muhfucka played like this last year and to start this season, NONE OF THIS SHIT WOULDA HAPPENED.

Not even 15 games in you had Dion as the worst thing to happen since Austin Rivers...


Dion snapped when Kyrie got hurt.

Dion snapped tonight when Kyrie sat his ass down.

Dion good.




You are in defense mode for your Kyrie agenda. That's what this boils down to.


I predicted only 5 wins for Kyrie by December...
I predicted you making a scapegoat...
Cavs suck and Kyrie is overrated and we all see it.
I predicted Philly would be better than them and MCW would blow that...but but he doesn't have a good team excuse out of the water.






Trade Kyrie while you can get the most for him. Ship Rie to Philly for MCW and Turner and let Iverson -2.0 Return to the Sixers and the Cavs get a real PG and them Syacuse boys can put in work.


Bet you Bynums number improve with MCW.


I bet if Cleveland called Philly for that trade, they would get straight dialtone...

Watch what happens when you ask Ba would he take
Dion for Shump

Because, yeah, seeing you see dion on Melos team would be comedy.

And Carmelo been dealing with JR Smith for years,
not exploding on him, and maximizing his talent (note the
one year JR didn't play with Melo - in LA with the
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record, JR is BETTER than Waiters

JR is capable of (at times) being the best player on the court and we saw him last season win several gms when Melo was out. So stop exaggerating Melo's lack of help because it's not just his teammates, its him, too. Amare pretty much eluded to the knicks' problems stemming from lack of ball of movement...and that falls on Melo just as much, if not more, as it does on JR/Bargnani/Felton etc.

>And Carmelo been dealing with JR Smith for years,
>not exploding on him, and maximizing his talent (note the
>one year JR didn't play with Melo - in LA with the
>Clippers - he was a 10th man)
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we have the Bobcats pick coming
we have Mirotic coming
we about to lose some Duke deadweight via trade and amnesty in the next 2 seasons...


Even if we wanted to re-up and get Okafor 2015 we are a better situation than the Cavs.



We good.


Jimmy got game
Snell got game
Taj got game
Noah got game and Value


Even without Rose, we still better than the Cavs in life.


Of course the Cavs aren't your franchise...Kyrie is your franchise...but Kyrie isn't franchise.



Better yet, how about the Cavs trading Waiters to Detroit for Caldwell Pope and Singler...

Trade Rie to Detroit for Jennings and Monroe...put the fake baby Zeke (Isiah Thomas is the real Lil Zeke) in Detroit...where he can play buddy ball with Drummond.


Someone getting traded cause Cleveland sucks.



Bulls franchise last season without Rose playing a single game = 45 wins

Kyrie playing franchise level basketball for 2 damn seasons = 45 wins and he is on pace for another 20 win monster year.



FOH


We good.

You know the Bulls can find some talent (in THIS draft) in picks #11-20.

We're good.

Bet that.

2014 the pic is protected 1-10...true
2015 the pic is protected 1-8...true


With the 11th pick, the Philadelphia 76ers select...a real pointguard.
.their future...a game changer...someone who can win with a bad team around him...



I'll take the chances on a 11 pick next draft or 9 in 2015



I am also confident that as long as Cleveland had Steve Iverson at point, they will fuck up remaining drafts trying to fit pieces around a guard with no chemistry...which means real talent will slip from their grasp and fall towards us.




Hell we could tank this season and still be eligible for Jabari or Randle...



No way is the Bulls in a worse position than the Cavs.

And you niggas cysed cause Dion big torso having ass threw up a couple 20 point games?

I don't get some niggas. He's a disaster of a pick.

against the Atlanta Hawks



fucking tired of my nigga Dion being the scapegoat. Irving is playing like trash right now and you can't blame it on Mike Brown, Chris Grant or any of Kyrie's teammates who were able to put the ball in the fucking basket at some point against the damn Hawks...

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To see who grabs Waiters and takes advantage of the upcoming Cavs panic trade.

Maybe he could do the same with Dion. But I imagine one of the tanking teams would probably want to take a flyer on him.

they'd get more in return and will eventually win more. But until then it could be pure hell for Dion, knowing they chose him over Kyrie.

But they'd probably win immediately depending on what they'd get back.

Dion would be sitting pretty as the lead guard/de facto point guard and would probably eventually be an all-star

Cavs needed a guard with his skill that plays with dat intensity; makes his teammates better and all that stuff

Dion's like the reliable beater you drive to work. Kyrie is the clean ass smug you use to stunt on dumb hoes


in this case, you would be the dumb hoe

yeah, okay...dion the kinda "tough-nosed" nigga you want to be the face of your team?

cool. that's why your the fucking cleveland cavaliers and that's why you'll be call kyrie all kinda traitorous shit when he's winning more laker titles, because that's HIS identity.

and dion not an all-star. he's puttin on aight numbers for TWO WEEKS on a really bad team. a REALLY bad team.

they shouldn't have drafted him. only reason why niggas like you cyse that fat fuck is because you don't wanna keep hearing about drummond.

Cavs didn't need Drummond doofy ass, the team needed a guard like Waiters who does what Kyrie does but without all the unnecessary street ball shit



if Kyrie's a frontrunner who needs to be in a big name city to play the game the right way, I can't wait to trade-rape whatever dumb ass team is ready to give away the farm for him like the Knicks and Nets. Nigga can go live his fucking Kobe Bryant fantasy somewhere else




who all is gonna be on this championship laker squad with Irving? Who will be his scapegoats when he scores zero points against the Atlanta hawks?

he gonna be the same nigga he was...only better. he don't wanna be there.

you just a fuckin duke-hater

only a duke-hatin bitch would cyse a fat ass 6-2 shooting guard who came into camp his rookie year 30lbs overweight and felt ENTITLED to have co-billing with the fucking nigga who just got ROY and was selected to the all-star game.

we 20 games in and dion FINALLY lookin halfway consistent after instigating a totally unecessary near fight with teammates and now he gets the greenlight to throw up his fuckballs in GARBAGE TIME and have niggas like you thinkin he balling. AND you thinking kyrie some shit now.

this is bizarre, and when he bounces and playing with his fellow all-star buddies in a cool ass city with fine bitches and nice restaurants, you scorned bitches bet not say a word. writing is on the wall...that kid is fuckin leaving. all you dumb bitches done turned on him, when he on TV repping y'all at all-star weekend, maybe sure y'all weak ass city is in recognized, going out his way for the shit and you niggas bailing 20 games into year 3.

bennett should be buying kyrie meals every fuckin day, because somehow the worst #1 pick in history (so far) is not THE story of that team.

Two things are definitely true, you know them, and
they have you upset:

1) There is no excuse for Kyrie's performance so far.
None. Nothing.

2) The difference in perception between Kyrie and Dion
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i know a fuckin toxic lockerroom when i see one. the shit is split and niggas are afraid of jack and waiters fake tough guy asses.

i'm the nigga who saw this coming, not y'all. y'all just enjoying the fallout and i'm not.

I think this Kyrie thing is honestly a bit of
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so, you can stop all that. if you wanna party...cool. but, NOTHING gonna save you from Melo's debacle.

It ain't rocket science. He could maybe be the best PG in the L if his style of play was more conducive to winning. A lot of the skills are there.

he doesn't play the right way and it pisses fans off. that's the story on Kyrie right now

don't say pass the ball, because he DOES that already. gimme details. should he PASS MORE? to who? bynum? what happened when bynum now in the game? should he hit cutters? name one muhfucka he CUTS on this team, OTHER THAN KYRIE and none of the bigs hit him cutting, RARELY, IF EVER.

so, explain.

dog, it's not complicated. The all-star point guard is supposed to make his teammates better not the other way around

but tristan still doing it.

NBA wings supposed to knock down corner threes...GEE can't.

elite NBA SGs are usually knockdown shooters and dion not.

he was averaging 7 dimes when that meeting happened. nobody was complaining about him PASSING then.

i know what the fuck happened. he had just finished dropping 39 and 41 and taking over and lookin like THAT NIGGA and dion acted like the jealous bitch he is.

can't nobody tell me different. the nigga needs to get the fuck or they need to trade kyrie. either way i'm tired of this. dion think he a fuckin star and ain't shown SHIT close to being one.

he see klay, derozan and beal and he know niggas comparing him to them and he blaming his FATCOMINGS on kyrie.

but, he fuckin didn't....and all that jealously built up last year and the nigga done orchestrated a mutiny...and for what? to get a nice second contract. he done admitted he met with his agent because he was worried about touches.

kyrie called a meeting after that loss to NO, where kyrie played hero ball down the stretch. i admit it, kyrie was selfish. but, he's hit the shows PLENTY of times.

dion pitched a bitch after that game. it's been a train wreck since. you can see the body language. dion is emboldened to take his fucked up philly rock bullshit and kyrie has cut down his drives because bynum big ass there and he's reduced to taking contested jumpers.

you right. this shit IS simple. he leaving. GOOD!

and I may be happy on both ends.

Waiters hurt his knee a bit in summer league before his rookie year, and was MAYBE 10 pounds overweight before the season. Maybe. 30? C'mon, ridiculous.

I think you were giving Bennett a pass for being hurt and then overweight.

Dion came into this season in great shape, for what it's worth.

bennett gettin a pass from EVERYONE because your boy dion has made the cavs a fuckin spectacle. he can't shut the fuck up. everything he says after every fuckin loss is subversive, undermining and petty. he just did it AGAIN tonight. because he's a jealous ass nigga.

I won't defend him at all costs, he's had some teammate/coach issue going back to high school. But he can play, and he can be channeled.

You're exaggerating on how "overweight" he was, IMO.

It takes more than 1 to cause the kind of locker room strife Cleveland reportedly has. I have no doubt Waiters has a part in it, and I have no doubt that it's nowhere close to all being on him.

He was in great shape and was a good teammate all year. Accepted coming off the bench with no issues, despite being the best player on the team.

And he damn sure wasn't when he was benched.

>the L if his style of play was more conducive to winning.

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*salutes*

Cavs would trade Kyrie before he has any chance to just "leave" like he's anywhere near unrestricted free agency... HA


right now, Irving should be playing to prove he's a max contract player. He'll probably get that max regardless that he's playing like ass right now but you best believe that Cleveland would turn on Irving before he has a chance to burn us like we been burned in the past



as of right now, if we could get a haul for Irving; I'd be seriously tempted to do it


I'd trade the fuck outta ya boy for the rights to draft Jabari Parker

you gonna turn on him BEFORE he gets a chance, huh? is that what's going on? because he wouldn't commit to staying when hit with all those questions in camp?

dogg, you and other cavs fans are talking yourselves into a hole. this ain't like Wall in D.C. where he ain't show much his first two years. Kyrie hit the ground running and now he in a shooting slump a month into year 3 and y'all talking crazy shit.

shit can't be unsaid. all i'm saying.

I liked how Irving was looking to set up his teammates more in pre-season and at the begging of the season but he was giving too much praise and leeway too early, the Mr. 4th quarter heroics and shit has encouraged him to be a selfish player


He should be a set up man first and a clutch scorer second

>you gonna turn on him BEFORE he gets a chance, huh? is that
>what's going on? because he wouldn't commit to staying when
>hit with all those questions in camp?
>
>dogg, you and other cavs fans are talking yourselves into a
>hole. this ain't like Wall in D.C. where he ain't show much
>his first two years.


I know that Wall kid has become your punching bag...But is this ^^^ really true?

The kid had a very good rookie season (over 16 pts and over 8 dimes a game, bad shooting percentage and all...)....I mean, you don't get named to the NBA All-Rookie 1st Team and don't "show much"...

What happened to Wall is he got hurt with a serious knee injury...Shit happens...

But the kid is a good young player....

there are plenty of articles. he is just starting to be what he was supposed to be.

>there are plenty of articles. he is just starting to be what
>he was supposed to be.

I think he was disappointing AFTER his rookie season...

But all I remember reading during that rookie season was how much of an exceptional pure PG he was to be so young...People were praising him for his passing skills....He got invited to play at the rookie challenge and was one of the leaders in assists in the Eastern Conference....

The only reason I followed the kid was because I thought he would be an actual threat to Rose in the East...

Again, you want to talk about the season after that injury and how lackluster Wall was, I agree wholeheartedly....

But that kid put up some damn good PG numbers in his rookie season...He came in second to Blake Griffith for Rookie of the Year...

U doing a little too much with this, homie....

Actually no...lol...You said the kid was a disappointment his first two or three seaons....

And I'm saying he was good his rookie season and got the numbers and pub to prove it...The numbers can't be disputed...Nor can the facts...(coming after Blake in ROY voting...)

However, I do agree with you on the fact that Wall regressed after his rookie season....He looked like a knucklehead...Because he was on a team of fools....But that's another story, right?

the fact that you stuck on this tho doesn't bode well for me paying you any mind for the rest of the season. this shit petty and dumb. i know y'all niggas ain't got shit to do but wait, but y'all been real pressed lately.

shit, i can provide link to those articles from THIS YEAR. i know YOU remember. wall was a disappointment and people were wondering loudly if he'd be what he's supposed to be. that ain't got shit to do with agenda. that's just what actually happened.

>shit, i can provide link to those articles from THIS YEAR. i
>know YOU remember. wall was a disappointment and people were
>wondering loudly if he'd be what he's supposed to be. that
>ain't got shit to do with agenda. that's just what actually
>happened.


Indeed...People were throwing that D word around...But not after that rookie season....

The criticism of Wall started happening a year or so later when the kid was taking L's with that team full of knuckleheads....JeVale...Nick Young....Yeah...those guys...lol

There's a reason they cleaned house and got rid of nearly everybody except Wall...

and here i am beggin for dion to get the fuck on. just like you begged for booz to get the fuck.

this ain't knew. it's just my turn.

and he was labeled a DISAPPOINTMENT after his rookie year. your opinion here is moot, murph. there are ARTICLES, VIDEOS and AUDIO where numerous "experts" were saying he was a "DISAPPOINTMENT"

>and here i am beggin for dion to get the fuck on. just like
>you begged for booz to get the fuck.


Yeah...two different things here...apples and bricks...

>this ain't knew. it's just my turn.

cool...

>and he was labeled a DISAPPOINTMENT after his rookie year.
>your opinion here is moot, murph. there are ARTICLES, VIDEOS
>and AUDIO where numerous "experts" were saying he was a
>"DISAPPOINTMENT"

Please, by all means...show me this plethora of articles claiming that this kid was a disappointment his rookie season....I would love to read/listen to these joints....

Again...I'M WITH YOU on the Wall criticism later on....But I just don't see how he could be a disappointment YEAR ONE when he would have easily won Rookie of the Year if it wasn't for Blake getting hurt his rookie season a year earlier....

I know this OKS and all and we SUPPOSED to stray as far away from the fuckin thread topic as possible, but..: I don't do that.

You have a fuckin google machine. I ASSURE you. They are out there. Happy hunting, my nigga.

>I know this OKS and all and we SUPPOSED to stray as far away
>from the fuckin thread topic as possible, but..: I don't do
>that.
>
>You have a fuckin google machine. I ASSURE you. They are out
>there. Happy hunting, my nigga.

My nigga...u doing too much...lol

I did Google....And you know what I found? Shit like this:

Washington Post, 2011...

"Wall joined Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Mark Jackson, Allen Iverson, Tim Hardaway and Chris Paul as the only rookies in NBA history to have atleast 1100 points, 550 assists and 300 rebounds as rookies. He is the only player to reach those totals in less than 70 games.

He had a season that compared favorably with the past four point guards to win rookie of the year, but unfortunately, it didn’t come close to Griffin, who is the first rookie since Elton Brand in 1999 to average at least 20 points and 10 rebounds in his first season."

Listen...I know u and Billy got that college blood feud going...He trounces on Kyrie and you Moonwalk over Wall...Shit is entertaining (no snark...u guys are two of the best posters on this part of the site....)

But some things just can't be written down as gospel...Some things are a bit more layered...

It's one thing to say: Wall has been a disappointment following his rookie season...He has failed to live up to his first season....

But it's quite another to say: Wall has ALWAYS been a disappointment....

That's all I'm saying...No beef...No agendas (I got no horse in this race...)...Nothing...

Just saying....But party on, my dude...And good luck with Kyrie....He will be out sooner or later...

nevermind. let y'all do your dumb thing about 30 points in a blowout L.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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mad?

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2ih01ky.gif

so, yeah.

>nevermind. let y'all do your dumb thing about 30 points in a
>blowout L.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2ih01ky.gif

Hibbert?

FOH with that Georgetown BS

Nope. Hoyas make good teammates.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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>Nope. Hoyas make good teammates.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/vhzxnn.jpg

see post #207

don't derail. don't let that be your whole existence on the board.

that's why i don't understand y'all. play the long game.

and the getting is really good right now, so party on!

like i said, when i start upping all this stuff, i'm gonna gladly accept being cast as the pressed dude.

>like i said, when i start upping all this stuff, i'm gonna
>gladly accept being cast as the pressed dude.

and when you do I won't care. in the meantime I'm gonna party.

i put you in the same box as shells...instigators. and that's fine.

but some dudes will be mad when i start cysing kyrie. i even said wasn't gonna do it this year, but...things change.

I actually like kyrie, but the opportunity presented itself so I gotta get some payback where I can.

plus i never harrassed them...all i said was PG better than him last summer and niggas lost they damn minds.

youre shitting on the player who is the best player on your franchise BY FAR== despite all his flaws--whose still what 21? For a mediocre undersized shooting guard who cant really shoot.

>youre shitting on the player who is the best player on your
>franchise BY FAR== despite all his flaws--whose still what 21?
>For a mediocre undersized shooting guard who cant really
>shoot.

that's not what's happening here.

there might be another one but I ain't reading through 200 posts to find who it is.

at any rate it's not "a bunch"

Because if my agendas...

Klay can't just be one of the best SGs in the L... He can't just be that

And Dion is BETTER than Kyrie

And it's not even worth me partying when both are proven my way.

Y'all are way too goofy about this agenda stuff. My agenda is for the Cavs to win games no matter who puts up points

You're a jinx on my team dude. I could respect you if you didn't act like Kyrie is perfect but I really can't take your flamboyant stannery

Can't do that when the "point guard" is playing
And1 ball

he ain't got that, unless he shoot 18-20 times. nah, he not gettin those.

THAT is pathetic

Kyrie hasn't led a team to anything CLOSE to the playoffs

Look how OKS treats Carmelo Anthony...whose TEAMS HAVE
NEVER EVER EVER MISSED THE PLAYOFFS...and he's been the
ALPHA DOG on EVERY SINGLE team since his rookie year

what melo led his team to today was pathetic. melo's team's being WORSE than kyrie's is pathetic.

the media, ppl on here, even the cavs OWNER
kyrie is underachieving and the team looks like it's headed to the lottery AGAIN
cavs fans were sold a bill of goods on what kyrie was going do
and the shit ain't happening and don't look like it's happening anytime soon
the dion stuff is probably some OOO shit but cavs fans have every right to be displeased with kyrie this year

see, i'm tryina REAL HARD to let this shit be the distant memory it's gonna be by all-star break when kyrie is puttin up consistent numbers and the cavs are headed to the playoffs. i'm tryna be civil, because i don't like doing that game-by-game shit. but, the way you niggas been actin lately, i'm bout to party every time someone y'all like shits the bed and someone i like balls out.

this shit is gettin pressed. say what you think and WAIT AND SEE. why is that so hard. that's why so many fuckin threads get upped because niggas say pressed shit after each game.

that's how kyle lowry be in PG WARZ for two weeks and be a regular ass PG a year later...niggas wit that game-by-game shit.

and that was with the assumption the nets and knicks would be aight this year
getting a low seed as bad as the east is this year ain't really nothing to stick your feather in, but whatever. baby steps i guess

that game by game shit is whatever. ppl need shit to talk about, stop clicking every thread and just wait if it's making you mad

they get in, they get in and here you go wit dumb shit, talmbout the seed. nah, nigga...you JUST said it was about MAKING THE PLAYOFFS. i don't give a fuck if they end tied for 8th and get in on a technicality. in is in

Secondly things will only get better when they make Waiters the PG and take KI off of the basketball. I get tired off seeing Kyrie do nothing but dribble like he is on the Globetrotters. Then for him to only dribble the ball off of his leg in crucial situations.

so what he dribbled it off his foot...AND?

and now y'all REALLY beatin this drum about dion playing PG...LMAO. based on WHAT? this same MONTH?

and for the record, kyrie plays off ball PLENTY and he's better at it than dion.

>so what he dribbled it off his foot...AND?
>
So you want your PG giving games away because he is O.C.?? It only proves that in key situations that he need to be off of the basketball so others can find him. I am tired off seeing him fuck up games!!!

>and now y'all REALLY beatin this drum about dion playing
>PG...LMAO. based on WHAT? this same MONTH?
>
>and for the record, kyrie plays off ball PLENTY and he's
>better at it than dion.

Then you should see my point then!!! Dion is clearly a better ball handler and he has a higher IQ out there in making decisions than Kyrie does. Dion is clearly better as running the offense. He has more control going to the hole than Kyrie. KI is not a PG, just deal with that.

>Then you should see my point then!!! Dion is clearly a better
>ball handler and he has a higher IQ out there in making
>decisions than Kyrie does. Dion is clearly better as running
>the offense. He has more control going to the hole than
>Kyrie. KI is not a PG, just deal with that.

dude is obsessed with Kyrie

tryna blame your post-bron misery on my nigga...fuck outta here, bitch.

and yes, i'm a kyrie stan. this ain't news. it also ain't news that i knew waiters and his big ass were gonna be a disaster, because he thinks HE'S A STAR. he did the same shit at syracuse and he got y'all niggas fools with that gritty philly kid bullshit by "playing hard" when the cavs down 20 fuckin points, gettin a weak ass dunk and glaring back at niggas. he wack as fuck and the fact that niggas like you think this muhfucka is a "winner" tells me all i need to know.

oh, the 4 is turnovers.

djr's lines are dope, tho.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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i want waiters GONE! cavs don't need his thick dumb bamma ass.

Don't know why Kyrie hasn't been playing like this all season, hopefully it's not just cause it's the Knicks

Cavs would be 3rd seed & Kyrie would be an MVP candidate if he played like this all season

Told y'all from jump CJ BETTER because he spots up and moves with the damn ball. Kyrie can actually create for someone like that. All that "my turn" shit Dion been doing is GARBAGE!!! Kyrie is the GOTdamn PG, not his meaty bamma ass.

Lol those dudes hate each other. Dion ain't even THINK about passing

I was making posts last year speaking on how rarely I see Dion pass the ball to Kyrie. He just refuses to do that.

Everybody had their lil laughs when Ky was struggling with his shot, but like I said, he gonna end up 45%, 40% and 85% BECAUSE HE CAN FUCKING SHOOT. nigga gonna put up the best shooting percentages for a PG YET AGAIN and average somewhere between 23-26ppg and 6-7apg for the season being doubled and tripled. muhfuckas think that's easy or some shit. imagine what he'd do with SHOOTERS giving him SPACE.

i dunno what the fuck dion does well. i really don't. he's streaky and dumb. i swear.

i don't even know if i want jabari to come to this shit. just get my niggas away from that stupid ass GM.

Fuck this selective subjective bullshit

He's a second year player on a young ass team with a lingering wrist injury who had two bad games in a row, so so what?


You don't know what Dion does good? It's because your Kyrie/Duke agenda is all that matters to you, not the Cavs as a team


Clown

you just part of the faction of cavs fans that make excuses for dion for WHATEVER REASON and think he can be a fuckin all-star or some shit. he's not that calibur.

i wanna see kyrie start the all=star game and look happy for once this season and then he can sit out the rest of the season with a fake injury for the tank....just like he's done the past couple of years.

hopefully grant don't waste the pick again.

and given that kyrie yonger than everyone but bennett and karasev, fuck your youth-related excuses. kyrie got all the pressure on him and niggas like you take the good for granted and bitch and moan when he misses.

re-read this thread, dogg. look at how you were acting when kyrie was "slumping" (his slump is a GREAT month for dion...that's how sick this shit is). you were partying and now you expecting me to go east on the Philly Rockin Undersized Scrub. HE TERRIBLE. I coulda upped it YESTERDAY.

FOH!!!

get a real fucking shooting guard!!!

You only care about Kyrie's individual accolades, I care about how/if he makes his teammates better. I even say so when he plays right and the team wins as a result.

Kyrie the all-star/overall pick/best player on the team, he's supposed to be more accountable. Why does this even have to be explained?

Dion been a scapegoat and gets no props when he plays well

It's bullshit

So, let's not get into what muhfuckas SUPPOSED to be doing and being ACCOUNTABLE and what does and doesn't need explaining. nah, you don't REALLY wanna talk about that stuff.

i supported tristan, dion and bennett...there's a dozens of threads of me doing that, because i wanted them to be WORTH THEIR SELECTIONS!!!! THEY ARE ALL COLOSSAL DISAPPOINTMENTS!!! it's a fucking travesty. how do you fuck this up!?!?!?!?

of course i want the TEAM to be good. i been posting about it for YEARS.

you need to take a step back and be real with yourself about why you complain so much about kyrie and make excuses for dion...one is so far ahead of the other, it's sad.

i think all you dion supporters believe his stupid ass line about how two STARS gotts learn to play together. you don't see any problem with that...because you think he's gonna be a star.

lemme tell you a secret...dion waiters is not a star talent.

>
>Everybody had their lil laughs when Ky was struggling with his
>shot, but like I said, he gonna end up 45%, 40% and 85%
>BECAUSE HE CAN FUCKING SHOOT. nigga gonna put up the best
>shooting percentages for a PG YET AGAIN and average somewhere
>between 23-26ppg and 6-7apg for the season being doubled and
>tripled. muhfuckas think that's easy or some shit. imagine
>what he'd do with SHOOTERS giving him SPACE.
>
>i dunno what the fuck dion does well. i really don't. he's
>streaky and dumb. i swear.
>
>i don't even know if i want jabari to come to this shit. just
>get my niggas away from that stupid ass GM.

kyrie was shooting under 40% and under 30% from three and under 80% from the FT. all have shot up in the last 3 weeks.

so, if you wanna old onto that...you won't have it in about 10 days. then what?

all i know is dion been terrible the last 24 hours.

>being doubled and
>tripled. muhfuckas think that's easy or some shit. imagine
>what he'd do with SHOOTERS giving him SPACE.
>

Hi Baba

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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I'm entertained

Kyrie doesn't even mediocre niggas slightly above average. He makes niggas bad bad bad.

Please continue Sir.

are you pressed or just stupid and PRESSED?

while i'm being obvious, anthony bennett's best years so far with kyrie, too.

and crawford best year is this year.

And Anderson was in the playoffs and people wanted to trade for him when he didn't have Kyrie.

Lmao.

YOU SO WRONG AND MAD.

and people wanted to trade for andy last year before his injury. people STILL wanna trade for andy.

and that's up to that stupid GM.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2062641/Kyrie-dance.gif

your man doing his muscle dance from the BENCH.

http://tinyurl.com/jvkxp3z

AGAIN

And John, E-Bled, and probably Rondo if he gets back in time will be in the games.

by storm.

Best point guard in the league.

All that jazz?

He still the dumb shoots too much, plays zero defense, can't run an offense nigga.

he startin tho. two-timer at 21. wasn't nearly as hyped at the super athlete PGs and hit the ground running. not his fault the GM can't draft.

Now you talking about all types of other shit.

The GMs fault. Dions fault. Mike Browns fault. Bynums fault.

45%, 40%, 85%, dropping 23-26 a game and 6-7 dimes again by year's end.

yeah...it's HIS FAULT.

and you need to chill because if there's ANY injury and the wiz skid again and the nets and knicks straighten up...you don't even wanna come to this board, dude.

Makes everything bad.

Talk about that.

You think about that.

than it's incorrect.

lmao...this bout to get good when it goes left.

I know they're both essentially combo guards and you can interchange them on the floor, but Kyrie was CLEARLY the SG last night. Its like their game plan (esp down the stretch) was to have either Waiters or Irving go 1-on-1 hero ball mode.


Either Kyrie just isn't that great of a distributor, and a more natural 2 guard, or "he needs more help." - Basaglia. Not sure what that help should be though - does he need a big man he can feed in the post? A more traditional, spot up shooting 2 guard?

(that was my first Cavs game, and now I kinda see what you were saying Basa about if Kyrie had someone like Klay, it would definitely make a difference.)


Waiters looked pretty bad last night - but I wanna say most of that came from an off shooting night. The guy can create on his own just fine and has a decent shot selection. I think he'd be a capable 6th man leading a bench squad somewhere - not convinced he's a starter who can gel with another scoring guard.

you just wasted all those keystrokes detailing what i've been saying for YEARS.

i already know kyrie plays off ball half the time. know how i know? because i watch EVERY cavs game. that's how i know. you DON'T KNOW, dogg. YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS!!!

i wonder if you also took the time to notice that his bigs can't finish very well. bogut isn't even THAT athletic and i wanted to puke watching him catch the ball in stride, take off on one foot and dunk...one motion. EASY. cavs bigs are too mechanical to do it.

but, it's cool. when kyrie gets his weapons, if ANY of you bammas say some dumb stuff like "oh, he's gotten better at passing"..."oh, he's becoming a REAL point guard"...i'm not even kidding, i swear i hope an airplane engine lands on your face.

you wasn't calling steph a combo guard when he couldn't crack 6.0 dimes his first THREE years tho. yeah...THREE years. now, he got klay and stiff hips giving him SPACE to operate and keepin the D honest by hitting OPEN shots...you wanna talk and throw your lil shots with your low budget dollar store analysis. SHUT YO ASS UP! you don't know anything.

if steph still had monta being ball dominant and big ass bums like biedrins and gadzookie, you would not be running your damn mouth, dude. because you didn't do it then.

Or Wall, for that matter.

I mean, if Wall went to Duke you'd make excuses for him. And if Curry did you'd party. No need to bring in this double standard. All three are stellar (probably Wall the least of all three, but still too early for that argument to be over). The question of who is best won't be answered now or even soon, they all have time to develop and will have shots on good teams...

so, just stop.

and of course i'd cyse wall if he'd gone to duke, genius. doesn't mean that he's made an all-star team in 4 season or ever cracked 45% FG or 35% from 3. just like RBO would be cysing all-star games and crossovers and 3 point patches...you cyse wehat you can cyse and criticize what you can criticize. it's called an AGENDA.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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He's playing hurt, and kept his shitty undermanned team in the game against Miami, OKC, and Houston.

and been meaning to up this for a while. saw the barnes uppage and didn't even check his past couple games. d'oh.

he's had two good games, but his stats overall are identical to last year.


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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2ih01ky.gif

4 good games in a row now.(17 and 11 is a good game, I don't care what he shot)

Glad you brought it up! I wonder what the difference is? Dion been ballin since_________________________?

You never should've brought this back.

but, to be honest, i don't watch the cavs (shocking, i know).

does anyone know why he simply cannot play w/ irving. it doesn't make sense. because clearly, the two of them can't play together (though he is kinda gunning like crazy during this run. is it that dion waiters has to gun in order to play well/decently?).

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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who cant play defense shouldn't be in the same back court?

TJr strikes me as the type to buy into a system. Then again, I'm not a NYK fan.

Yep you are Dion is so much better than Nice Man but Poor Man version of JR Smith i mean does Tim have to shoot everytime he catches the ball and he is the worst defender in the league i mean he is worst than Novak straight any 2 guard be going one on one with him and dominating him shit is so bad.

yeah

The ultimate clap back.....This thread is going to go nuclear.....

Upping this thread if and when Dion gets a chip, especially at Kyrie's expense, would have been better for shock value.

Yo...u my dog...

But there is no expense in any way for u....

If OKC wins, u can dance because u boost Russy...

If Cleveland wins, u can dance because u boost Ky Ky....

If GS somehow comes back u got Light Bright no. 2....

U pretty much have cornered the market on this agenda shit, my dude....lol

Even moreso because of this thread and how much people want to get back at you on these boards.

It'll be interesting to see if Dion doesn't revert to his ball chucking mental midget ways assuming the Cavs and the Thunder do in fact meet up in the Finals, since it appears him and Kyrie did have some slight friction when the two were in Cleveland from what I've read on these boards.

was like "oh, dion must have beasted in the 2nd half"

final line: 13/3/3. outscored by Andre Roberson. ANDRE ROBERSON.

cmon.

the only dude who played 15+ minutes and scored less than him on the team was Steven Adams.

cmon.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

>was like "oh, dion must have beasted in the 2nd half"
>
>final line: 13/3/3. outscored by Andre Roberson. ANDRE
>ROBERSON.
>
>cmon.
>
>the only dude who played 15+ minutes and scored less than him
>on the team was Steven Adams.
>
>cmon.

in relatively critical moments. This post exists because he's made so many poor basketball decisions, and it was upped because it looks like he's starting to pull it together.

I think the uppage is premature though, I can't put any faith in the dude just yet.

>This post exists because he's
>made so many poor basketball decisions, and it was upped
>because it looks like he's starting to pull it together.

maaaaan...if that isn't proof this is a W for basa, i don't know what is.

congrats, Dion! it took you 4 years in the NBA to have 2 games in a row in which you look like you might be a useful bench player who doesn't make poor decisions repeatedly!



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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

>
>>This post exists because he's
>>made so many poor basketball decisions, and it was upped
>>because it looks like he's starting to pull it together.
>
>maaaaan...if that isn't proof this is a W for basa, i don't
>know what is.
>
>congrats, Dion! it took you 4 years in the NBA to have 2 games
>in a row in which you look like you might be a useful bench
>player who doesn't make poor decisions repeatedly!

So clearly you aren't really responding to me, you just need to vent or something.
I don't know what to tell you man, I hope your day goes well.

Is that upworthy? Nope.

It's premature because it's not an accomplishment to just not suck.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

>Is that upworthy? Nope.
>
>It's premature because it's not an accomplishment to just not
>suck.

playing quality basketball for a championship contender. It's bugged that you think it wouldn't be upworthy. Do you understand the premise of this post? It wasn't about him being drafted #4. It was about him being selfish, and making tons of bad basketball decisions.

Yeah...to deliver big shots and big plays during the big moments...That's all it takes...

As much as Waiters has been dragged on this board people can't start pulling out that BUT HE WAS A HIGH DRAFT PICK stuff...

I mean, I was never in this mess to begin with...But I did NOTICE how much Dion was getting savaged and for good reason...lol...

Like somebody said, dude is the ultimate underdog...His career was left for dead...Brother got shot and killed; He was a meme generating joke just a few weeks ago...

So yeah...any contribution in a win for OKC deserves uppage....Because if dude stinks up the joint tomorrow the same heads will never let anyone forget it...lol

just wanna say that Dion has proved to be a capable scorer and playmaker off the bench and it's been more than two games...it's been all playoffs. Now, again, I don't know what the agenda terms are, so I'm gonna back out now...just wanted to add that. Dude is playing some great minutes for us. Carry on.

because they haven't made it past the first weekend in a decade and have been left for dead in a mid-major league.

That's all that is.

Dion is playing well.

At least watch the games if you're going to talk.

unless you're arguing his second half was >>>>>>>>> his first, what does 24 more minutes of play gonna tell me?

FOH with that. dude is an average backup SG, 6th best player on his team and people are claiming that's a W for him.

what key play or shot did he make last night? the goalposts have gotten so low for him, it's hard to see the difference between them and the floor.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

That's all.

He's playing well in the playoffs, for what has been the most/2nd most impressive team in the playoffs to this point. It's really not debatable, and there's really nothing to argue about here.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

That's cool right? You did it with the game.

one you keep avoiding answering because...? probably because the answer is "no" and this was a dumbass uppage for a dude who did nothing special except not fuck up.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

Do you watch the playoffs much?

I do.

super upworthy.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

Pretty pathetic, actually.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

That says "butthurt" to me.

Not rooting for players you dislike from rival schools....I get it. At the moment, it would probably be best to just be quiet though. Not much you can say that doesn't come off as being kind've mad.

He's playing well for a team that's playing well.

your orange colored glasses need cleaning.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

Just throw your Hoya glasses and anything else Hoya hoops related in the trash. It's over.

so, yeah.

as some kind of breakout performance - lolz.

Lol at thinking that was inconsistent.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

RIDE EM HARD, DION!

LMFAO.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

LOL - Dion got you all fucked up right now.

in his first legit playoff experience vs 4th year player on his second team scoring 10 ppg off the bench in his first playoff experience. yeah what a world of difference there.

lulz. you so pressed.

You cried your ass off about him not "playing his role" for the 30 games or so that he was on Lebron's Cavs.

Now he's "playing his role" on a team with 2 top 5 players that shoot and score all the time, and you want to say he's not scoring enough?

FOH. He's scoring when they need him to score, playing D, driving and kicking, playing smart, playing hard. He's doing his job.

because he left in disgrace and became a staple on shaqtin a fool. and you had to live through me BEING RIGHT ABOUT HIM.

good for him he's accepted being a ROLE PLAYER.

which is all i ever wanted from him. so don't try claiming a W off MY argument.

Just replying. The guy is playing well for a team that's playing well. That's all.

As for accepting being a role player.....he's on a team with two top 5 players.

Those '13 and '14 Cavs teams were garbage.

2015, he was only there for about 30 games. It takes time for guys to find their roles when there's a lot of change. Doesn't matter though....the guys Cleveland got in the trade are working out for them, and so is Dion in OKC.

not a "co-star"
not a "starter"
not a "6th man"

dion is a ROLE PLAYER.

he just couldn't understand it. guess after hearing YET ANOTHER coach tell him the same thing, he finally gets it.

Good player, but not a franchise player.

nothing wrong with being #2

and you can drop that being #3. we tried that and it blew up in y'all face. he's no less than a #2.

dion looking like a #8. and that's FINE. as long as a player accepts that.

Kyrie better watch his back in the dark because this dude sounds like he is straight single white female status.

LULZ

Creepy.

Of course duckin this dude in an alley might help homeboy work on his defensive foot work.


The bullsh!t agendas ya'll let this dude get away with by entertaining him is unreal, too.

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Right down to 25 & 5 at 47/45/85 for the offs this year. He's been CLEs best player by far.

The Dion thing is at worst a push. Not sure how being the 7th best player on any team qualifies as some sort of win for his shareholders.

Kyrie is hitting KCP and Lowry for 25+ while routinely shooting ~50%, but now a little bit of decent ball from a guy who is still within seeing distance of the "Bust" domain means something?

Dion supporters should congregate in a post titled "The Bus to Lake Winnepesaukee" instead of acting like he's already sailing.

>Right down to 25 & 5 at 47/45/85 for the offs this year.
>He's been CLEs best player by far.

LOL. No. 2nd best. By far, the 2nd best though. That's still good.


>The Dion thing is at worst a push. Not sure how being the 7th
>best player on any team qualifies as some sort of win for his
>shareholders.

7th huh? Seems pretty arbitrary. But you had Kyrie above Lebron, so you might just be throwing out a low number for effect?

>Kyrie is hitting KCP and Lowry for 25+ while routinely
>shooting ~50%, but now a little bit of decent ball from a guy
>who is still within seeing distance of the "Bust" domain means
>something?

Nobody ever questioned Kyrie's ability to shoot or score. He's always scored. He's got the best player in the world on his team taking care of all the facilitating, so he can just get buckets. It works.

>Dion supporters should congregate in a post titled "The Bus to
>Lake Winnepesaukee" instead of acting like he's already
>sailing.
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Dion's playing well on a team that's playing well. That's all I care about.

It's a W for people who thought he'd be better than he was 18 months ago. But still a massive L when you evaluate him based on draft position and initial expectations.

is that now I'll keep an extra keen eye on how Dion plays assuming the Thunder make it to the Finals. Never in a million years did I think I'd have an interest in how that well or poorly that dude plays.

Gotta move the ball. Steph understands that. Lebron understands. KD and Russ(and probably Kyrie still but he dont got the choice or responsibility) dont.

and trick dunk pre game warmup fire extinguisher hand cut up my grandma's knees having max contract Amare. You blamed Melo, even though he was the only one who did shit the whole series.

You're not blaming anyone but KD and Russ if they lose this series.

i said y'all tried to get an EASY W by upping a thread about a PROVEN ROLE PLAYER when OKC seemed on the verge of victory.

ain't nobody blaming dion. he don't do enough shit to get blamed or get credit.

He hasnt gone 3-150 in the playoffs like JR and Kidd did.

so what do I know?

>ain't nobody blaming dion. he don't do enough shit to get
>blamed or get credit.