So hooked up the turntable this weekend, and opened up the three boxes of vinyl I had in local storage. Just playing random joints. Man.... fuck that MP3 shit. Shit is not a fucking listening experience. Gatefold vinyl, flipping plates, reading liner notes. That's how you fucking listen to music. Helps when you got a nice glass with a likkle something to sip on too.

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Like the first half more than the second, but it's still dope.

>lol

Damn you're always a cold bastard GB...but truthful sometimes, ditto to that lol.

n/m

180 gram vinyl on a good vinyl player/speaker system is the best way to listen to music

someone would spend $10 for an mp3 album when they can go to Best Buy or Amazon or the local record store and buy the tangible item for pretty much the same price, if not cheaper.

i shop at amazon so i can't help but notice that the vinyl is usually $10 more than the cd... not $10 total. however, i agree with you on principle.

but i will no longer see it as a deterrent.
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but the idea of going and getting a tangible item and reading liner notes is the same.

why go all the way to Best Buy to buy a CD for $10 to take it home and rip it to my PC as mp3s so i can hear the music via iTunes?

i'm better off skipping the middle steps and buying mp3s.

if it was possible, i'd imagine that you wouldn't even go outside and interact with other human beings.

but, anyway, i don't see this is as about being about laziness. just different priorities. some prize the convenience of managing mp3s over the superior sound quality offered by other media.

thankfully, record geeks can still get their hands on vinyl. it's still out there. and the non-geeks can have their mp3s w/o caring for whatever the geeks think they're 'missing'.

*shrugs*

not sure why the people who do are called "geeks"

And frankly, I'm glad I don't. And I doubt that 90% of the people who say they do, really do. One of these days I'm going to dream up a way to do a test and get a definitive answer. Like people who claim they can hear the difference between

- vinyl and a good digital rip of the same vinyl
- lossless digital audio and a high bitrate (e.g. 320) .mp3
- a 320 and a 192 mp3

I tend to think they have convinced themselves of things they can't actually hear. Vinyl purists who say they can hear the gaps between samples on a CD... give me a break. (Yet they'll buy records of modern albums that were almost certainly sourced from digital master files, and happily play them & say they sound awesome. Go figure.)

Maybe it's just my shitty ears or my shitty headphones/stereo, but when you divorce these things from their various contexts, I don't hear much of a difference as long as they're coming out of the same set of speakers. I still mostly buy CDs (and some records) because I like liner notes and art - the whole experience of an album rather than just the sounds of it - and I like having the best quality backup of all my music sitting ready at hand in case my hard drive dies. But I do have a pretty large pile of mp3s from Amazon and emusic, and they sound like music to me.

because I really wasn't talking about the quality difference. There is a quality difference but I don't mind listening to to mp3s because of that.

I actually love the convenience of the mp3s just like SoWhat and my iPod is arranged perfectly.

However, I was talking about actually purchasing a tangible item verse just an mp3. it probably doesn't hurt that I'm a graphic design major so I appreciate the thought that goes into good packaging and really can't relate to someone who doesn't.




>And frankly, I'm glad I don't. And I doubt that 90% of the
>people who say they do, really do. One of these days I'm
>going to dream up a way to do a test and get a definitive
>answer. Like people who claim they can hear the difference
>between
>

you really need something else to focus your brain power on if you're that concerned with proven *that* point.

>- vinyl and a good digital rip of the same vinyl
>- lossless digital audio and a high bitrate (e.g. 320) .mp3
>- a 320 and a 192 mp3
>
>I tend to think they have convinced themselves of things they
>can't actually hear. Vinyl purists who say they can hear the
>gaps between samples on a CD... give me a break. (Yet they'll
>buy records of modern albums that were almost certainly
>sourced from digital master files, and happily play them & say
>they sound awesome. Go figure.)
>

There really are people who have that good of a musical ear and that can hear a difference. and to get upset about something you don't understand is nothing more than ignorant. is it that hard to believe certain people have better?


>Maybe it's just my shitty ears or my shitty headphones/stereo,
>but when you divorce these things from their various contexts,
>I don't hear much of a difference as long as they're coming
>out of the same set of speakers. I still mostly buy CDs (and
>some records) because I like liner notes and art - the whole
>experience of an album rather than just the sounds of it - and
>I like having the best quality backup of all my music sitting
>ready at hand in case my hard drive dies. But I do have a
>pretty large pile of mp3s from Amazon and emusic, and they
>sound like music to me.

I agree with this. And even though some people may just be saying it to say, I wouldn't be that dismissive to not believe that there are people out there who can and do hear the difference.

I responded to you due to this: "some people pretend to care about music...others do" Maybe I took it a little more harshly than you meant it, but it sounds a lot like "if you are content to settle for mp3s, you don't actually care about music." Correct me if I completely misinterpreted you.

>However, I was talking about actually purchasing a tangible
>item verse just an mp3. it probably doesn't hurt that I'm a
>graphic design major so I appreciate the thought that goes
>into good packaging and really can't relate to someone who
>doesn't.

I'm with you there. I love packaging. (I do CD and 7 inch layouts for an independent label, too.)

>you really need something else to focus your brain power on if
>you're that concerned with proven *that* point.

I'm not really all that concerned, it's just something I think about idly when I'm bored at work. That said - if I had a lot more free time and someone had a good idea for how to conduct that kind of study, I'd probably do it, because I think it would be pretty interesting and enlightening. I feel like people are really psychologically susceptible to things they read about. The placebo effect, sort of. It would be interesting to me to find out if there's anything behind the standard audiophile hobby horses, or if they're bunk - or (more probably) if it's kind of a mix. My head won't explode if I never find out, though.

>There really are people who have that good of a musical ear
>and that can hear a difference. and to get upset about
>something you don't understand is nothing more than ignorant.

You seem to be misinterpreting my tone, like, a lot. I'm not upset. I'm barely invested. I just like talking about the subject since I spend a lot of time listening to music, and talking about it on message boards and whatnot. You can't post anywhere related to music without this subject coming up in one form or another.

Anyway, I do believe some people have a good ear. I also believe that most people who go on about these subjects probably don't have nearly as good of an ear as they think they do. I'm open to the possibility that I'm completely wrong though.

>I agree with this. And even though some people may just be
>saying it to say, I wouldn't be that dismissive to not believe
>that there are people out there who can and do hear the
>difference.

I'm not that dismissive.

>I responded to you due to this: "some people pretend to care
>about music...others do" Maybe I took it a little more
>harshly than you meant it, but it sounds a lot like "if you
>are content to settle for mp3s, you don't actually care about
>music." Correct me if I completely misinterpreted you.
>

I meant it in the sense that some people see music as entertainment and others see it as art.

I find that those who take it as entertainment would download whatever for free, not care about purchasing, not care about liner notes, not care about quality and just want whatever is hot.


>I'm with you there. I love packaging. (I do CD and 7 inch
>layouts for an independent label, too.)
>

Nice. Anything I would know?


>I'm not really all that concerned, it's just something I think
>about idly when I'm bored at work. That said - if I had a lot
>more free time and someone had a good idea for how to conduct
>that kind of study, I'd probably do it, because I think it
>would be pretty interesting and enlightening. I feel like
>people are really psychologically susceptible to things they
>read about. The placebo effect, sort of. It would be
>interesting to me to find out if there's anything behind the
>standard audiophile hobby horses, or if they're bunk - or
>(more probably) if it's kind of a mix. My head won't explode
>if I never find out, though.
>

I can get with that. And I strongly agree. The psychology that goes into people's musical opinions is something that really interests me as well.

>You seem to be misinterpreting my tone, like, a lot. I'm not
>upset. I'm barely invested. I just like talking about the
>subject since I spend a lot of time listening to music, and
>talking about it on message boards and whatnot. You can't
>post anywhere related to music without this subject coming up
>in one form or another.
>

Yea my bad if I misinterpreted your tone. I didn't really think you were mad, just frustrated enough to pull someone's card. this topic isn't going anywhere. it's a. a generation gap and b. a gap between, like i said, those that see music as art and those that see it as entertainment.

>Anyway, I do believe some people have a good ear. I also
>believe that most people who go on about these subjects
>probably don't have nearly as good of an ear as they think
>they do. I'm open to the possibility that I'm completely
>wrong though.
>

Yea, you're probably right.

>I'm not that dismissive.
>

no doubt.

>I meant it in the sense that some people see music as
>entertainment and others see it as art.

Oh, gotcha. I interpreted it as way snarkier than that.

>Nice. Anything I would know?

I'm guessing not, it's a small and fairly new extreme metal label. They've done roughly 50 CDs, tapes and vinyls so far, and I did layout on probably 30 of them.

Sounds like we're on the same page about everything else, so... sorry for the minor and temporary misunderstanding.

>And frankly, I'm glad I don't. And I doubt that 90% of the
>people who say they do, really do. One of these days I'm
>going to dream up a way to do a test and get a definitive
>answer. Like people who claim they can hear the difference
>between



there are double blind studies out there to test audiophiles ear.
they didn't do it for vinyl vs. other media,
but they did do it for high end vs. low end equipment.


most of the time, folks couldn't tell the difference.




i will say i can tell the difference sometimes.
my vinyl copies of "purple rain" sound better than the CD copies.
my vinyl copy of MJ's "bad" sounds better than the CD pressing.


i actually prefer the remastered version of "let it bleed" over
the vinyl copy. same goes for "abbey road". these copies seem "brighter."



whether or not this is all in my head, i will never know.
i've never taken part in a double blind study.
but i try to be as "objective" as i can about these things.


i think that there IS a difference between vinyl and mp3s,
but i usually don't notice. for example, the bass line to "billie jean" sounds best
on the 12" single version, on vinyl.
it doesn't seem to kick the same way when i play it in digital formats.
that may be because my vinyl setup is better than my mac setup, though.


anyway, if i can hear a difference on SOME records,
i have to assume that somewhere, there is a difference.



mp3s sound just fine to me though. especially
when i play them in the car or on my iPod at the gym.
that being said, i love the ritual associated with playing vinyl,
and sometimes, i buy new music on vinyl.
but not because it sounds better... there are just certain albums
that i want to own on vinyl b/c they are the type of album i like to listen to
when i'm playing vinyl.

"continuum" and "my beautiful dark and twisted fantasy" just FEEL like albums
that should be on vinyl. i do have my digital copies on my iPod, though.
just because of the conveinence. they sound just fine either way, IMO.

>if it was possible, i'd imagine that you wouldn't even go
>outside and interact with other human beings.

He's massively in love with streaming, the "cloud", amazon.com, etc. and if these could provide unlimited, unhindered entertainment, food, basic necessities, mental stimulation he'd rarely leave the house.

Granted, he was probably messing with me a little because I'm the "prefers physical copies" of everything (books, music, movies, etc.) guy in the group who still likes an actual store to shop in and he's ALL about convenience no matter what, but I basically asked if he'd be happy if we got to a point where leaving the house became unnecessary for anything other than occasional human contact (the bar, dinner with friends, vacation) and he said yeah with a straight face.


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that's why I come here for the most part.

I remember back in the days, we would find out from The Source or commercials on Rap City.

now it's online.

that doesn't mean I don't still value going to a record store, shopping around, maybe finding a rare album, and purchasing an actual tangible product.

but hey, I understand we all have our preferences and you value the ability to get music quick from home regardless of the quality.

I just think it's crazy to actually purchase mp3 from home when you can get them for free if the only plus is the convenience.

I'm appreciate the thought put into the entire package of music. the packaging, the booklet, the design, reading the liner notes to find out who did what.

>I just think it's crazy to actually purchase mp3 from home
>when you can get them for free if the only plus is the
>convenience.

>I just think it's crazy to actually purchase mp3 from home
>when you can get them for free if the only plus is the
>convenience.

Other potential pluses:
1) Legality
2) Morality

Not to start everybody's least favorite music-related internet war all over again, but what you just said, from a certain point of view, is like saying "I just think it's crazy to not shoplift when you know (somehow) that you're 99% certain to get away with it." There's still that 1% chance you'll get arrested or fined, plus you may just think it's wrong.

Me, I prefer to buy physical copies of most of the music I consume, but I do maintain a subscription to emusic also, for the reasons above. I certainly know how to search blogs or install Soulseek/bittorrent.

I meant, if you really don't care about music, and we all know there are those people out there who think music is their right, why are you paying for a mp3? I would figure that those type of people wouldn't care and wouldn't see it as a crime to "steal" the music.

if you actually do care about music then why buy mp3s instead of the actual album?

mp3s are a cheap format of music and a way the industry is getting over on you, why would you purchase those? it doesn't cost the industry/artist anything to produce the music other than studio time. they don't have to pay a designer to do the cover art, they don't have to pay to press the album, they don't have to pay distribution costs (well, I'm sure iTunes charges something but you know what I mean), they don't have to really even advertise anywhere other than iTunes because that's where people go anyway. I just don't get paying the same price when you are getting less of a product.

Would these people by food just out in the open in the store? no packages, no nothing? I mean, all they really need is the food. They don't need to know what the contents are.

I still don't know if I'm explaining it right.

lol

I agree with you too, especially about the cost. This is why emusic has been just about the only site I mess with, because their stuff is discounted - most albums are $6, and with the subscription discounts I get it works out to be actually more like $5. But it used to be a lot cheaper and with their steadily rising rates, they'll eventually be just another iTunes or Amazon, most likely... at which point I will cancel and just buy my shit from Amazon, if at all. The main reason I'm still clinging to my subscription right now is that I buy a lot of singles from reggae and dancehall artists, which has always been a very singles-oriented industry and increasingly has gone over to the digital realm exclusively, as well. (So if you don't pay for downloads you may as well tell the artist straight up that he's better off broke, even though you like his songs.)

Where was I? Got a little sidetracked there. Anyway... yeah, I think if they want to hang on to their downsized but still-respectable profits from downloads, they ought to do a little across-the-board discounting. Shit is just not worth $10 an album to me. The most I've paid for a single digital album in a long, long time was $8 for one on Amazon, and that was solely because 1) it wasn't on emusic and 2) wasn't available as a physical either, plus 3) I felt the artist probably really needed my money.

sheesh. Not even in the same ballpark. You must have mad time on your hands.

plus theres no optical drive in my house

?

. . .but yes, these days we do need reminder posts.

I've been seriously having to budget, so I haven't bought any vinyl in some weeks. I got that itch, man. . .

~Austin

All this talk of new models and blah blah blah.

It's about listening to music. Nah meen. nd all this iPod era listening and collecting done fuked the game up. There is no comparison to finding that album you never knew about on that label you dig, throwing that jawn on and reading the liner notes about the whole process of creating that bitch. For all the social networking, open API, tag data, etc... motherfuckers just can't capture that experience.

I got one vinyl more valuable than dudes whole MP3 collections and I'm not talking monetary value, I'm talking about the musical history contained within it. (hyperbole but you know what the fuck i mean).
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>All this talk of new models and blah blah blah.
>
>It's about listening to music. Nah meen. nd all this iPod
>era listening and collecting done fuked the game up. There is
>no comparison to finding that album you never knew about on
>that label you dig, throwing that jawn on and reading the
>liner notes about the whole process of creating that bitch.
>For all the social networking, open API, tag data, etc...
>motherfuckers just can't capture that experience.
>
>I got one vinyl more valuable than dudes whole MP3 collections
>and I'm not talking monetary value, I'm talking about the
>musical history contained within it. (hyperbole but you know
>what the fuck i mean).


If, as you say, it's about listening to music, then what do the cover, liner notes, physical product, etc. have to do with it?
Besides, those things can be recreated (and in some cases improved) in a digital format.



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>If, as you say, it's about listening to music, then what do
>the cover, liner notes, physical product, etc. have to do with
>it?
>Besides, those things can be recreated (and in some cases
>improved) in a digital format.

Nope... hasn't happened. Sorry. Your PDF Booklet sucks.

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you're so right.

and where do those credits come from? the liner notes of the physical copy. this means 1) they trump the internet, and 2) sites are prone to user error/lies.

*except the seemingly undervalued all music guide

>and where do those credits come from? the liner notes of the
>physical copy. this means 1) they trump the internet, and 2)
>sites are prone to user error/lies.
>
>*except the seemingly undervalued all music guide

That's irrelevant. It's not like that information can only start out as ink printed on paper.

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liner notes.

and there's more info out there now than there was back when we only had liner notes to draw from.

i prefer the current set up, myself.

>liner notes.
>
>and there's more info out there now than there was back when
>we only had liner notes to draw from.
>
>i prefer the current set up, myself.

i agree, but i think they work in concert with each other. i like reading the credits before/as/after i listen to an album, and i don't have to wait until someone transcribes and uploads the information online and hope it's accurate. some albums never get properly documented online. liner notes are a good thing, but it's also nice to read interviews and have online databases where you can click around for related info.

I've said this before but I STRONGLY believe that the imortance of info has decreased with a lack of context-knowledge as a result. This is just not because you HAD to read up on shit in order to discover music beyond radio/MTv; it's even more the fact that you put your own money on the line and because of that, you learned that artist A was best on label B in era C simply because you did not want to get burned.

With the current situation, kids don't need to do shit like that; in fact, they can downlad an entire discography and just save the shit they like, it's more convenient but as I said, the context knowledge suffers for people who go into shit that way, at elast in my experience

back in the 20th century, i used to read guide books and music periodicals at my local library and/or right there in the record store before i bought music. b/c i didn't want to purchase blindly.

...which is why the info has become less important and why people nowadays IMO and experience don't care too much...

i think i did that b/c i was a music geek. i doubt most ppl bothered to do that amount of research before buying music. so i don't think they're missing much if they're not doing it now.

we have to remember we are geeks who take music much more seriously than the average listener.

You don't need to be a geek anymore as a big music-head...

to engage this discussion much longer. LOL

i bet there are dudes sitting on a porch in a retirement home somewhere having this same conversation.

I forgot this album even existed - http://bit.ly/vgKGbs
Lo and behold it's in a box, I'm throw it on. Start peeping the liners. Damn, there's a breakdown of every band on the comp in there. Do all my reading while its playing without having to filter through google sites for more info. And then informed with the informaton from the time it was released after I'm done listening (or during I guess) I can go look up more info. No doubt!!

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except shitting on MP3's
I'd appologize for that but you wouldn't believe me.
LOL!!

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and i don't think the average listener is missing much of anything b/c they don't have the listening experience you and i may have. we're not the average listener.

Shit really hit me how convenience had taken away from actually sitting down with a record. I've (we've) had enough listening experience to go into any medium and experience it, but the conveninece of things have a lot of that aspect of it being taken for granted.

Basically I just had a flashback to when I was a kid and opened up my first gatefold. I had given my daughter that experience a few years ago, but we've been without records for a few years. You gotta know how good it felt to watch her pull out the Pointer Sister's live album, put it on the turntable and look at the pictures in the gatefold. I can play her favorite songs in the world but it wouldn't match that experience of hearing their version of Salt Peanuts for the first time.
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they don't need ours.

it's cool.

i mean, i'm glad you and your daughter had a bonding moment. but i don't worry that the current youth generation isn't experiencing music exactly as i did. i didn't experience music the way my parents did, but i came to my own appreciation. i have no doubt the kids today who are geeky about music will prize their listening experience.

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my daughter asked to do a youtube search immediately after. And there was no Salt Peanuts live version :(
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it's not literally "all music" but still very useful

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2753773&mesg_id=2753773&page=#2753832

and google skills? And I gotta be able to tell whats real and what's bullshit. And every time I search for this one all I get is mediafire links.... that's not helping. Not to mention this other one which gives me the lyrics written like a four year old while popping up a bunch of barely legal ads. Yeah that's a great listening experience.
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to find it w/o hassle. those who aren't are probably still buying CDs anyway.

it works out pretty well for everyone.

>>If, as you say, it's about listening to music, then what do
>>the cover, liner notes, physical product, etc. have to do
>with
>>it?
>>Besides, those things can be recreated (and in some cases
>>improved) in a digital format.
>
>Nope... hasn't happened. Sorry. Your PDF Booklet sucks.

Agreed.

What about an iPad app that combines text, video and music (think footage of studio sessions, images of song sketches, etc.)






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>What about an iPad app that combines text, video and music
>(think footage of studio sessions, images of song sketches,
>etc.)

They've all failed to do the most essential. It's actually possible to keep all of that liner note information in the actual MP3 file but it hasn't and probably never will be standardized. Pretty uch that's all that's needed. Other aps, shit even PDF booklets are extra and unnecessary if the tagging and reading of the tags is done properly. Won't happen though.
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>Besides, those things can be recreated (and in some cases
>improved) in a digital format.

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means what?

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sound more gangster, sir.

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Like, on a Saturday afternoon when I'm laying on my couch, reading a book, sipping on some lemonade, and dozing, getting up every 20 minutes or so to flip the record over/change the record can be a pain.

That's why I enjoy my 200-CD disc changer. Mellowing out while listening to the Miles Davis' "Corner Sessions" boxset or teh Trojan records collections is a sublime way to spend a weekend.

Like it's a good reminder of being in the moment, and embracing the listen. If you start letting shit fall to the background you end up with that needle on the runoff groove sound. Each pause an opportunity to digest what you've just heard and prepare for whats next.

I feel you though. But by example I listened to Wattstax double LP while I was cooking over the weekend, and the change overs kept me right in with it.
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I agree with both points you two are making.

I usually play some vinyl for home listening when I cleaning the house. Having to flip the record definitely brings you a bit more into the experience of listening. And agreed that there is nothing like the sound of the needle on the record.

Though somewhat off topic, I feel this way about analog film / photography. I still often develop my own film and make prints in the darkroom. The tangible of a photographic print. of holding an object... or, for music, listening to an object



...your Auntie Clarisse!

lurkin since 1999. werd.

. . .and other double albums from the early 70's. . .

What's with one record having side 1 + 4 and the other record having sides 2 + 3? What sort of nonsense is that?

~Austin

play the whole album fluidly between two record players. at least that's how i always rationalized it.
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I have a few other albums from the same time period that are the same format. Lots of them on Stax/Enterprise, now that I think about it.

I have never been able to figure this out.

~Austin

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like this one...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12064036@N04/4053236992/


So you could stack records on the automatic turntable and not have to flip sides. It used to drop the next record when the play ended on one side. My grandma still has one of those... It's really ill to hear Nat King Cole Christmas album without having to flip sides every 10 minutes.

have you ever seen one of those?

anyway, back in the wayback when listening to a double record, you'd put on record 1, side 1 first. then you'd put the 2nd record w/side 2 on the magnetic arm. when side 1 finished on record 1, the 2nd record w/side 2 would fall automatically and the player would play side 2 w/o the listener having to get up/walk over to the player. at the end of side 2, the listener _would_ have to approach the player to flip the record over for side 3, and put record 1 w/side 4 up on the magnetic arm. when side 3 finished, record 1 w/side 4 would drop down and play automatically.

(hell, even used my grandparents' one when I was a kid)

I guess, if that pause is still there after side three, I'm completely missing the point of the idea.

~Austin

Should have read:

"I guess, if that pause is still there after side two, I'm completely missing the point of the idea."

Thinkin' one thing and doin' another. . .

~Austin

it was an impressive piece of hardware imo


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>Like, on a Saturday afternoon when I'm laying on my couch,
>reading a book, sipping on some lemonade, and dozing, getting
>up every 20 minutes or so to flip the record over/change the
>record can be a pain.
>
>That's why I enjoy my 200-CD disc changer. Mellowing out while
>listening to the Miles Davis' "Corner Sessions" boxset or teh
>Trojan records collections is a sublime way to spend a
>weekend.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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except for when the needle jumps every 2 seconds b/c the train ride is bumpy. but that's cool...it adds to the experience.

I also always get a chuckle out of 'The L' cause of course there's an L in NY and it's an easy way of referencing hipster dufi, as they own that line.

But anyway.... convenience is good when a quality experience isn't available.
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it's why the mp3 won.

btw, i have 2 turntables, a mixer, and about 100 records in my living room.

i like the experience of having to leave the house to listen to music. and anyway, music-listening is supposed to be a communal experience, not a solitary one. i can't imagine sitting or laying in a room by myself listening to music. i can't see other people's reactions, the effort, sweat, and breathing of the performers, or any of that.

i enjoy listening to music by myself because of the joy and feeling i get. i like to put some music on, and zone out. now, sometimes i enjoy being around certain people who i know share my tastes. it's fun to banter with people back and forth, but the vast majority of the time, i listen to music in my car, or play vinyl in my living room.

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I see you.
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i appreciate records but i prefer mp3s for their convenience.

Sure convenient can be an experience, but.... what would you rather have, sex that was convenient or sex that was an experience. Maybe if MP3's had happy endings you could have your convenience and get your nut off too, but for now... MP3's be a a cheap ho that don't even suck it right to get it up.

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myself included.

i have all of Prince's 12-inch singles released between 1981 and 1992. i also have mp3s of all of the same 12-inch singles saved on my PC. both my PC and my turntables are hooked up to my living room stereo system (4 speakers). over the weekend i decided i wanted to play these 12-inches while i did cleaning chores. i had a choice...play the records which would require me to go to the turntables every 5 to 10 (or 20) minutes to flip and/or change the records. or i could create a playlist in iTunes w/all the songs i wanted to hear and then go about cleaning w/o having to stop to change the files. i went w/the mp3s. b/c even though the records sound a bit better, i didn't want to be bothered w/the turntable and the records while i was cleaning.

keep in mind, i grew up cleaning house to records on record players, so i know what that's like.

>Sure convenient can be an experience, but.... what would you
>rather have, sex that was convenient or sex that was an
>experience. Maybe if MP3's had happy endings you could have
>your convenience and get your nut off too, but for now...
>MP3's be a a cheap ho that don't even suck it right to get it
>up.

live music = actual sex
vinyl = watching porn on a film reel or VHS
mp3s = cyberporn

i'm sure most people prefer actual sex, find VHS tapes to be cumbersome and inconvenient, and partake freely of cyberporn b/c it's easily available & of high enough quality

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>MP3's be a a cheap ho that don't even suck it right to get it
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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I can count on one hand the really worthwhile concerts experiences in the five years that I've thought are worth it. Why the fuck I wanna be out until 1 a.m. standing out in a poorly ventilated club/concert hall with a bunch of obnoxious hipsters/college students, drinking overpriced drinks, when I can sit at home, in comfort, with free drinks and food, enjoying my own damn company? The communal music experience is vastly overrated.

Dude's definition of what a proper listening experience is completely arbitrary. come on people came through and one-upped him in terms of music douchebaggery.

Have you proved that I'm a complete idiot yet or should I make a few more posts to round out the average?

Let me know cause I'm really concerned about this.

Also I'm pretty sure I've told you this before but calling me a musical douche or similar is a compliment, so thanks.

Now back to trying to kick me out of GD posts. I really need help with that.
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Is there a tumblr for them shits yet. That'd be fucking awesome.
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lol!

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So wait, every time you listen to an album you read liner notes while longingly staring at the cover? That's what I'm imagining you mean by having an experience with the vinyl itself; because it's not about the music itself for you right but the medium?

http://memegenerator.net/Music-Nerd-Octopus

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Pretty much...

This question is sticking with me right now... got a cheap component system this summer, and for the first time in ages I'm digging through my physical stuff - actual cds and vinyl - and listening again...

It *is* a different experience. There's a place for mp3s and whatnot, but I'm enjoying hearing new releases again as a process that is more than just clicking on a page...

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

for all it takes away from your so called pure listening experience it allows more music listening, which is good

MP3's are ok for my ears.

The linear notes and album art....I could care less.

Shuffling throuh records looking for 'Ron Carter - bass'.....what's the difference with googling 'ron carter'? To me, it's a wider, more accessible access to information.

It seems to me....and I've said this here before...that recorded music is no longer a viable economic commodity. A little short of 100 years....recorded music was the driving force behind the entertainment industry in emerging trends and culture. Popular music is now reactionary to trends set in other mediums like reality tv, movies and video games.

When the barriers of access to recorded music became defenseless....pop music lost it's power to shape modern culture as it had for almost 100 years prior. Recorded music is free now...and that has changed the role it has in our lives.

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drawbacks to the mp3 culture is that it has destroyed the art of the lp album. it can be hard to find people who pay attention to the flow from song 1 to song 15. now if you listen to an lp it usually sounds like random bits and pieces put together, searching for a hit. or even worse the same song 15 times.

not to mention the sound quality isn't the same at all. mp3 below 320 aren't very good. if you have decent headphones i can hear how bad it sounds, i don't know about anybody else though.

For reference these are the headphones I use for out and about listening: http://amzn.to/uMC7Oy Not really interested in spending a bunch of money on headphones that I take with me everywhere. I just want some tunes in my ears and something to deter strangers from bothering me at the bus stop.

I usually do all of my headphone listening on the bus, so that's a less than ideal listening situation in the first place, with all of the outside noise. Generally, I have my iTunes set to convert bigger bitrate mp3s down to 128kpbs, just so I can fit more on it. But one day I did an experiment and got a 128kpbs CD rip of a song and a 320kpbs 45rpm vinyl rip of the same song ('Supercollider' by Radiohead) and played them back to back on the bus. Even on crap headphones with a bunch of external interruptions, the difference was immediately noticeable.

Now, generally, when I'm listening on the go like that, fidelity isn't what's on my mind. But I'm definitely aware of it now.

~Austin

got a pair of technic dj headphones (beat up) and denon dj headphones. they cancel out almost all of the noise. i ride a skateboard around so i like to block the sound of the board. i also have a pair of sennheiser earbuds that are pretty good.


if i am going to listen to music i have to do it right. you really should get a good pair of headphones. for the buck or buck 50 you will be so happy you did. plus if you use em everyday you more than get your monies worth.

i also think the whole mp3 game is ruining the fine art of properly mastering music. back in the day music had to crank from the lp/cd/cassette through the car systems and home speakers, not apple earbuds/laptop/cell phone speakers.

Nodding my head like "HELL YES" because it's finally getting to the point that I envisioned a few years ago (when I started getting deep into funk/jazz and later prog/psych).

So much history, so many gatefold OG pressings, common LPs, rare LPs, 12" only "extended dance remixes" of a ton of my 80's R&B favorites, promo only 12" remixes (shoutout to anyone else who has the white label for Diamond D's "I'm Outta Here" with the remix), hundreds of connections between my hip-hop 12"s and LPs and the original samples, the LEGENDS crates filled with partial discographies (always on the lookout) for Isaac Hayes, James Brown, Kool & The Gang, Michael Jackson, The Ohio Players, and Parliament/Funkadelic, the J Dilla original samples crates (well over 200 LPs now).....

Granted, this collection gets me hype because I'm a DJ and I like to create seamless sets.....but a casual listener could still walk into my record room with ONE turntable and be set for months, maybe years.

You get overwhelmed looking at MP3 lists, or at least I do. Actually, I scan through my iPod every other day thinking "I've heard all this shit before." I'm not a fan of the shuffle (maybe because I'm a DJ, maybe because I enjoy cohesive albums/sets), which so many people champion. I just never enjoyed the idea of hearing Patrice Rushen followed by Soft Machine followed by The Notorious BIG followed by Agent K followed by Souls Of Mischief. Give me an album.

Vinyl is, and always will be, the shit.*

*until I move from my condo into a house and I have 3,000 pieces of wax to move

>I'm not a fan of the
>shuffle (maybe because I'm a DJ, maybe because I enjoy
>cohesive albums/sets), which so many people champion. I just
>never enjoyed the idea of hearing Patrice Rushen followed by
>Soft Machine followed by The Notorious BIG followed by Agent K
>followed by Souls Of Mischief. Give me an album.

I hate shuffle so much for that exact reason.
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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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...because the ONLY drawback to wax is that it takes a long time to record it to your computer and make mp3's for portability ...you cant bring wax with you on the go in the car or on foot ...this was the only drawback in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and now ..portability

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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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As much as I love that new vinyl, those digital downloads (or better yet, the ones that just come with a CD) are the peak of convenience.

The latest Death Cab for Cutie album came with neither and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little agitated by that, haha.

~Austin

wouldn't even need a usb just some one time use password included or limited time offer like buy in the first month get a link. that would be enough.

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"To Each His Reach"
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It means better than you. As in this vinyl I got is better than your MP3's. You feel inferior to the statement because you know its true. They are better. MP3's are inferior. And championing MP3's makes you inferior. But rather than just man up and admit yeah, they are inferior but that's all I got and I'm cool with that, you want to try and flip the blame by calling it elitism. Ya goddamn right. Loop this message again from the subject line and read until it sinks in.
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Like everyone know whole foods is better than food lion

however food lion is cheaper, easier to find and not packed with sniveling hipster snobs who think theyre enlightened bc they shop there

im sure u get the point, u man of the ppl u

they eatin better than food lion

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>Like everyone know whole foods is better than food lion
>
>however food lion is cheaper, easier to find and not packed
>with sniveling hipster snobs who think theyre enlightened bc
>they shop there
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>im sure u get the point, u man of the ppl u

why would you care about the hipsters at the grocery store?
does avoiding hipsters > your health??
get your food and go home

the others were cost and convenience

hipsters are symbolic of the priveleged attitude displayed by ppl who look down at ppl who basically cant afford to shop there

but i kno not being able to afford things is a foreign concept to a lot of okayplayerland

Beyond vinyl, CDs are being fazed out. A person like myself wants to continue to buy music in a form that my future children can "flip" through like i did with my parents records. Would we accept buying Music with artwork/linernotes, if it was put out on a USB stick or just give up all together and buy from iTunes/Amazon/etc.???

>Beyond vinyl, CDs are being fazed out. A person like myself
>wants to continue to buy music in a form that my future
>children can "flip" through like i did with my parents
>records. Would we accept buying Music with artwork/linernotes,
>if it was put out on a USB stick or just give up all together
>and buy from iTunes/Amazon/etc.???

I don't have kids but my guess is I'll be the "weird" dad who listens to a lot of his music on shiny discs or round black plastic circles and maybe my kids will take to it, but I doubt it.

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>I don't have kids but my guess is I'll be the "weird" dad who
>listens to a lot of his music on shiny discs or round black
>plastic circles and maybe my kids will take to it, but I doubt
>it.
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Funny thing is my boy is like that and he has 3 kids (9 boy, 7 boy, and 5 girl), and they don't think records or cds are weird. They get with it just like we do. They know the albums and the covers, they know what CD we listening to. Shoot, they even know what cassettes and mini-discs are.

>A person like myself
>wants to continue to buy music in a form that my future
>children can "flip" through like i did with my parents
>records.

'The Cloud' will take care of all the archiving and all you will need to do is give them names to search. It is much more efficient this way (think about all the paper, vinyl, ink, machinery to press the vinyl or any physical product). Music 'collecting' is paralleling human evolution as it is in other fields (hybrid cars, organic foods, etc.).

The artwork/track-listing complaint is rooted in nostalgia. It has no other basis because not only is there MORE information online, Social networking is infinitely more interactive/stimulating for the fan.

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and then there's youtube...

the last one I got I asked the corner store
i think he charged me though

or just steal them

i jacked two trader joe's only to find out they dont fit

I think Walmart does too, a few bucks each

than ever.

I like wax...yeah it sounds better (in a way). But mp3s have exposed a ton of potential musicians to music that they never would have heard otherwise.

to want to keep things only for themselves and their fellow secret society members, the unwashed peasants are irrelevant to them

not a very democratic lot

oh wait... it really just benefits those with a pokemon music complex (gotta hear it all) that don't worry about shelling out a few bucks because its all available free anyway. So excited from folder to folder on their little computers. They sit down with those folders all cozy and go into to these deep listening experience that transcend the vinyl, because they can search wikipedia and forums for all inds of detail. Which is exactly how every downloader approaches the music they listen to because they are all just like you. And now you got spotify so you can become streamers knowing someone else is going to make sure the artists get that tenth of a cent each time you listen to that album, even if nine times out of ten that's just once, for a ten song album that's a whole penny in the artist pockets assuming the labels even bother to tell them.

I've obviously been thinking about this whole thing wrong. Let me go burn my vinyl and get a bigger harddrive.
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I taught him how to dj when he was 11, and naturally he moved from djing to producing, from MPC to FL Studio.

he's a sample based hip-hop producer, and his favorite artists currently are ronaldo domino and lamont dozier, both of whom he discovered through soulseek or torrents, and I don't think either had anything in print when he got into them

We have insane music conversation about every genre from brazilan psych to funk to jazz...and I don't think he has EVER made a beat using wax.

I'm just saying man, just cuz people are doing something differently than you did, doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.

Make sure he tells all his friends.
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...cause people treat mp3s like it is, small bits of files that can be thrown away when they're tired of it unlike vinyl & cds which you have the physical product and you will treat it more like an investment and something you will eventually come back to later on.

how is music being disposable bad?

If the music is bad then it being disposable is a good thing right?

And if the music is good it won't be disposed of. So, where's the problem?

If you mean it puts more pressure on the artists to make quality music; knowing that their music will be disposed of if it's garbage then that sounds like a positive to me the music consumer.

And really unless I'm pressed for space on my HD I never delete anything I download, because I know eventually I might come to enjoy the music even if it's not hitting me in the moment.

* shelf life = relevance life

That's considered successful. Music deserves better than that.
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if you pay for something, you're more determined to get the most out of what you buy, so you end up listening more

so i buy a shit album ima force myself to listen longer...only to come to the same conclusion?

If i actually like the music ima listen to it longer than usual...because i bought it? Nah...folks bang the shit on repeat because there is an emotional connection to the song. Not because there is a monetary connection.

I think he's more referring to the shelf life of albums in an internet-centric media. Which physical mediums would do nothing to prolong.

and listening to music for x number of years, you know your taste well enough not to buy a "shit album." you can and should use the means at your disposal--the internet--to preview an album you're not sure about before buying it.


>If i actually like the music ima listen to it longer than
>usual...because i bought it? Nah...folks bang the shit on
>repeat because there is an emotional connection to the song.
>Not because there is a monetary connection.

woosh

i still bump files i downloaded in 2004

I will buy vinyl and CDs; but, i refuse to ever buy an mp3.

>do you own an iPod or phone with an mp3 player?

I don't think he means he doesn't own a mp3 player or a cellphone that plays them, there's a big difference; some people still like to buy a physical copy of music then transfer the songs they like off them to their mp3 player instead of just paying for the mp3s.

the quality of the music available to them or complain about how hard it is to make
a living off being an artist.

YESTERDAY THAT BASICALLY TALK ABOUT THE EXACT SAME THING

Subject: Hip Hop Before The Internet


From three-line reviews in "The Source" to downloading three albums a day, HipHopDX's J-23 steps in to compare the dedication and listening habits of yesteryear to today's daily operation.
Right now you can probably listen to 99% of all the Hip Hop ever made whenever you havean Internet connection. If you can’t download it with a quick Googling, someone has probably posted it on YouTube. At worst, you can do this from a cell phone. To some readers, this is the only way you’ve ever known the experience. To others, these advances are an incredible convenience compared to how they used to get their music. It was not that long ago that today’s landscape was an inconceivable notion. We’re at a time now where Hip Hop fans weren’t just too young to remember the days of rewinding and changing sides, many were not even born yet. Hip Hop is getting old; some 40 years have passed since Kool Herc was deejaying block parties in the Bronx and 25 since the first Rap album went #1. The music, the artists, and the fans have come and gone like the seasons. The saying goes, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.” While that’s true for a lot of aspects of Hip Hop, it certainly doesn’t apply to the listening experience.
Let me paint you a picture.

Imagine it is 1992 and you’re awaiting The Chronic instead of Detox. You read in The Source that Dre’s new single was dropping this month and you’re dying to hear it. While walking to school one day a car stops at a light and you hear a funky bassline, whining synths and Dr. Dre telling you it’s like this and like that. The light turns and the car starts driving so you break into a sprint to keep up and hear a little more of the song. Once you get to school and finish drying off in the bathroom, you ask everyone you know who listens to Hip Hop if they’ve taped the song off the radio or taped the video. Unsuccessful, you head home that night and sit by the radio with a blank cassette tape in the deck. Every time a new song comes on your finger hovers over the record button. No luck. The next day you hit the store the see if the new Source is out because they might write three sentences about the song, which will be very satisfying to read. A week later you find out your boy has the song on his new pause tape. Unfortunately, it is the dub of a dub of a dub of a dub of a dub. The static from the radio is minimal, but it’s got more hiss than a 30 foot python. Nevertheless, you listen to nothing but the song for two weeks straight. Your mom is pissed because you went through 18 batteries for your Walkman because rewinding every four minutes for hours at a time takes a toll. Cut off from getting new batteries you toss your dead ones in the freezer to get some more juice out of them. This is a daily operation.

Now fast forward for a moment to 2011. You’ve read 36 news updates on Detox in the last month, and the latest from Mr. Porter’s brother’s deaf roommate is that he says Dre told him the album’s release date using sign language. While walking to school you check HipHopDX to see if the new single has leaked yet. Sure enough, it has. You dig in your bag and grab your earphones and start streaming the song. As a whining voice requests a doctor, you read the comments on the song and see that 42% of people think this is the greatest song they’ve ever heard because Dre is the greatest producer ever and this is the newest song they’ve heard from him. 41% think it is the worst song they’ve ever heard because " Dre’s ghost producers suck worse than him" and "Eminem is a fag who raps about butt-fucking Dre." Eight percent of listeners are indifferent about the song because it’s a bit emo sounding, but they admit it’s a good concept. Four percent want you to know Lil Wayne is the G.O.A.T. and 5% want you to follow the hottest new artist you’ve never heard of on Twitter. You dig the song though so when you get home you download it from Nahright along with a dozen other new joints, hit some other blogs and download four new albums and three mixtapes. You listen to three of the new songs on your iPhone while you walk to your boys to play xBox. The next day you listen to Dre’s new song one more time before moving on to all the other new music you’ve got.
Obsessive collectors aren’t just at record conventions anymore.

This near unlimited access has had countless effects on Hip Hop music and the Hip Hop experience. Those are discussions that have been had or can be had another time. Certainly, a major outcome has been that fans typically have wider tastes because there's no risk to trying out a new artist or a new sub-genre. Except maybe your time and bandwidth.

While there were a handful of ways to learn about a new artist, radio, video or your friends, were only about the only free ways to actually hear someone new. The Source was reliable back then, but you still ran the risk of buying an album and learning that you wasted your hard earned money. There were the few enterprising record stores in each city that had listening stations and let you sample albums before your bought them. It was a wonderful system but things got tricky for those of us who abused the system. I would listen to no less than five albums per visit and quickly wore out my welcome. At best, you had to deal with clerks' dirty looks and annoyed sighs. At worst, you were denied. Plus, spending four or five hours in the store listening to albums wasn’t the best use of time. But that's what it was.

The more discerning purchasers such as myself also ran into another problem. Sometimes you would go to buy an album and it had already been opened because someone had listened to it at the listening station. I didn't want to buy that tainted copy, the fresh plastic wrap had already been ripped. That may seem incredibly trivial to those of you never took the packaging off a cassette or CD, but back when people bought those things there was nothing like getting home and cracking open that packaging and listening to an album for the first time while you read the liner notes for the first time. That was experiencing music. So a torn open and repackaged copy? No thanks. The real trouble came with independent releases where stores only had one copy. Dilemmas.

That was finding and purchasing the album, listening was an entirely different animal. Unless you had deep pockets you probably picked one or two new albums a month, for some, it was even less. It was not a rare thing to listen to an album for months on end. Young cats often wonder why the older generation cling on so tightly to the golden years of Hip Hop. It isn’t just the quality of the music from those years, it’s that we listened to these albums three or four times a day, every day, for months. Does that ever happen anymore? I sure don’t do it. The never ending stream of new music won’t allow it, and frankly, I don’t think my attention span does either.

None of this is to say the new generation missed out on better times, the system in 2011 is undoubtedly better. Unlimited, risk free access to any artist and the ability to carry 3,000 albums in your pocket with no AA back ups is nothing short of incredible. But what we’ve gained in convenience, we have lost in experience. We cannot possibly be as good of listeners as we used to be; it is too easy to skip that song we don’t like in the first 15 seconds, or skip that album after skimming the first few tracks. There are albums I absolutely love which I didn’t care for after five listens. Today, there is no way I would give that album five listens when I put five new albums on my iPod five days in a row. I’m sure I’m not alone there. You can’t help but wonder what things will be like 15 or 20 years from now. The times, they are a changin’.

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you can't lift weights, shoot jumpers, etc. while listening to vinyl. nothing like a little adrenaline mixed with listening to mp3s...

i like both but i grew out of arguing vinyl vs. mp3.

I wanna load up on discogs of a few artists (Bowie, The Cure, Prince) without paying $10 per album. Is there any website I can buy maybe $5-7 per album or get a discount for buying a bunch of albums? I'm too afraid to torrent mp3s for mainstream artists (kinda messed up i'm more willing to pirate indie artists, but I also generally spend way more money on them via bandcamp)

so bandcamp is it bc those mpeg4's arent the same bitrate but itunes' selection & ease of purchase (w/ an idevice) is unmatched

There always seems to be some sort of special going on. Of course with Prime practically everything is free to stream. *le sigh*

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

i'm browsing through iTunes $7.99 section now and its mostly all garbage albums from the past 2-3 years

titled "MP3's suck"...to ask where is the best place to buy MP3's...

so what is your issue?

and distribution costs.
Folks keep leaving that out, as if they're being cheated in some kind of way due to the lack of liner notes.
You're not paying for them with mp3's.

It's pretty easy to find out who produced, wrote, and played on a song if you know how
to use the internet.

But this whole "not a listening experience" mentality is ridiculous. It's music. If you
hear it, it's a listening experience. Wtf.
I tend to enjoy music when it's really good, the quality is good, the instrumentation is
good, the vocals and harmonies, the melodies, etc... but then again, I like MUSIC.
Who are you cats who are listening to music for everything BUT the music?

mp3s or mpeg4s are great for discovering & enjoying music, especially on the go digi is essential

BUT

vinyl, cd, tape & wav are all better formats for music quality