So Will Smith coaches Jaden Smith on how to fight CG tigers on a post-apocalyptic Earth? Pass

http://collider.com/after-earth-trailer/207815/

but i just don't trust M night at all.

Cypher Raige and Kitai Raige

it's not written by M. Night. Looks intriguing. Will Smith's accent is a bit annoying though. I'll watch opening day nonetheless.

It still looks boring.

Definitely Will is trying to accentuate something other than his regular voice. Hopefully it's not throughout.

Its dreadful

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Plus, Smith fighting creatures. GOOD!

Yep
I'm in
~~~~
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~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

is Stephen Gaghan writing this?

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Bitch, don't kill my vibe.

Gaghan did a polish.

Good?

Mine was cool, hung out with family.


: - ) : - )

y'all enjoy dat culture vulture on x-mas day with all them n-bombs, fetishizing of black women and stylized credits....i'mma wait for NIGHT DOGG!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBEXSiFzOfU

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>y'all enjoy dat culture vulture on x-mas day with all them
>n-bombs, fetishizing of black women and stylized
>credits....i'mma wait for NIGHT DOGG!!!


ever since this post...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=471818&mesg_id=471818&listing_type=search




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http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/universal/oblivion/

It seemed like Oblivion came out of nowhere and they're releasing in the spring like a month before AE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJdMDvjfyQ0

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Bitch, don't kill my vibe.

"You must realize that fear is not real. It is a product of thoughts you create."

..screams Scientology.

Could be interesting.. The only thing I'm not really with is Jayden's acting.

i don't give a fuck if L Ron Dogg wrote the shit from a spaceship and beamed that shit down to night dogg's computer on a photon...them visuals beastly and my nigga got his swag back.

that shit doin 300 hunna and chief keef gonna be on the soundtrack.

and i hope chief keef become a fuckin scientologist too and makes it "cool" so you bitchass lemmings can backtrack and act like it's the shit to be up on some L. Ron.

>i don't give a fuck if L Ron Dogg wrote the shit from a
>spaceship and beamed that shit down to night dogg's computer
>on a photon...them visuals beastly and my nigga got his swag
>back.
>
>that shit doin 300 hunna and chief keef gonna be on the
>soundtrack.
>
>and i hope chief keef become a fuckin scientologist too and
>makes it "cool" so you bitchass lemmings can backtrack and act
>like it's the shit to be up on some L. Ron.


Fuck that, nigga, you about to famous, Ima start
claiming my references now

Lemmings is MINE, doggie

Obviously I don't need no commission, just send a nigga
a t-shirt or whatever, gimme dap on the yard at HU HC,
some shit

and just HATE on dumb shit that niggas think is good.

Been had an idea

I have this odd inertia to following up on
anything not involved with graph paper

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>
>and just HATE on dumb shit that niggas think is good.


I would seriously pay to hear this. I'm not joking, hit me w/ a paypal email and i'll donate.

I'ma be mad, but I will listen to that shit.

And obviously would love to continue to have both of y'all on my podcast.

Haha!

Take it easy.

Like I said.. It looks interesting to me, and the only thing I don't like about it is Jayden Smith in another starring role.

Just making some personal observations.

>Haha!
>
>Take it easy.
>
>Like I said.. It looks interesting to me, and the only thing
>I don't like about it is Jayden Smith in another starring
>role.
>
>Just making some personal observations.


http://tinyurl.com/a2nwqas


What did you say about Jayden Smith in another
starring role?


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it helps that at least a few of us are aware of it.

V.

This movie might break the madness record, y'all

It'll come close

Karate Kid 2 is the last big madmaking hit

Been a quiet couple years overall



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they might be on to something with it

will it stop me from seeing it?
no
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~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

"Danger is very real, but fear is a choice."

WATCH IT BRING YOU TO YOUR
SHA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA KNEES, KNEES!

"Do you know where we are?"

YOU'RE IN THE JUNGLE, BABY!

"This is Earth."

YOU'RE GONNA DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-OW!

A F T E R E A R T H

IT'S GONNA BRING YOU DOWN!
HUH!

6 . 7 . 1 3

nm

Love Will and most of his movies
Loved Karate Kid Remake
Hate Jaden Smith
Loved Book of Eli
Fan of L Ron Hubbard
Fan of M.Night's 6th Sense and Unbreakable. Hated everything else he has done
The accent doesnt bother me

*shrug*

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Which is really all that matters.

Will is as close to spotless as you can get as far as movies go IMO, so whatever he's in, I'm in.

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Kinda reminds me of "Fantastic Planet" for some reason

while be chased by a man-eating eagle...believe me, they be cysed.

i hate getwits.

.

i would love to see this shit do numbers just so Will can cash that 50 mil and propel his son into super stardom just like him.

Don't you worry...

lol

kind of sounds like Morpheus impression to me

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=101253

I'll peep it at my press screening...

I mean, I get it. After Earth our accents will combine and be different. Just not sure if it's worth it in a movie.

personally, i feel like it's not worth it to have those accents, because he needs to get back on his feet and this is something the haters can hang on to and discredit the film.

but, he believe in his stories and characters completely, and he going to go for it. he'll make the attempt to have his vision fully realized. a lotta directors don't do it and they play down to the audiences.

It's not like we're listening to a Eminem record here

Movie looks dope to me

Will most people get over it? Of course. But in a VO heavy trailer, the accents come to the forefront, are going to be noticed, and can be a little distracting. It's just something else to pull attention away.

I don't think anyone has said that the accents will affect the quality of the movie (unlike the original voice of Bane in the Dark Knight Rises teaser footage) but they definitely are jumping to people's attention so there's no reason not to discuss them.

We should all inspire to be like them!

*insert "Mad" response here*

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And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming

All you doing us settin precedents and being emotional. So now the preview threads are the OFFICIAL RELEASE threads? We no longer following the established format of TITLE (director, year)?

I'm perfectly fine with this change first mention thread being the official release thread.

Just be consistent and stop being a bitch, Doorman.

>All you doing us settin precedents and being emotional. So
>now the preview threads are the OFFICIAL RELEASE threads? We
>no longer following the established format of TITLE (director,
>year)?

What usually happens is that the preview threads BECOME the official release threads. Genius.

EDIT: And before you go frantically hunting for thread examples in order to "prove me wrong," you should go back and read that sentence again, which has a key word in it. You should probably look at that word before you resume your frantic thread search in the quest to "prove me wrong."


>I'm perfectly fine with this change first mention thread being
>the official release thread.

lol, you so goddamn mad you can't even write a fuckin' coherent sentence. You should have quit while you were ahead. Or, better yet, used the fuckin' search.


>Just be consistent and stop being a bitch, Doorman.

You first, you mushmouf, illegible-assed clown.

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And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming

They usually become the official release thread...except that's not true. And I'd bet my login that if we go back and look at the last 50 official release threads on this board, MOST of them did not begin as the first mention/preview thread.

YOU go search for proof of your bitchassedness, dogg. I don't need it, because it's become obvious over the years. Go track down your anger-induced hypocrisy, if you can stand confronting it. I don't think you can, even if it meant kicking me off this board. So, just laugh this whole thing off, pretend you don't like being a bitch with a scintilla of power and end this exchange.

And putting on the grammar badge truly is the refuge of lame ass people. That tactic never fails when some asshole on the internet is mad and going down in flames.

right here

Instead, you'd rather call names and convince yourself that you're somehow being persecuted, all to promote some dumb-ass "agenda" that no one other than mouth-breathing, pussy-deprived losers, and bored niggas "who like to start shit" (same difference) gives two fucks about.

And *who's* being "emotional" again?

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And at that moment, I realized some of you aren't doing this for the shits-n-giggles that you're claiming

Just thought you'd know that.

You're not a bad person, I don't think, but
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But when his ass is on his shoulders, he can be a muhfucka, I swear. And he thinks he's justified and shit. Nigga just be playing fast and loose with the board rules and shit...cause of his damn feelings. NIGGA, like, fuck yo feelings...be a mod. Be fair.

And I ain't gonna ever make it easy on him. I detest unfairness.

now niggas gotta be "pussy-deprived" if they agree wit me on some shit? You just be bangin out all the pussy, huh man? Who still uses "you dont get no pussy" in a goddamn argument between MEN...in 2013? You are a ridiculous ass dude.

Niggas agree with me because I state a fuckin premise and I back it and vice versa. I don't disagree with people I don't fuck wit off GP like you do, doggy. And if they fuck wit my "agendas"...so what? What does it matter to you, dogg? Why you mad tho?

Like, dogg, you are a fuckin relic of a bygone era. I've squashed whatever little tiffs I had my first few years here wit B9, Bomb, Nick, Kwez, etc. and you one of last holdouts COMMITTED to being a bitch ass dude. For what? Why so serious? Why are you STILL actin like I'm threatening the very existence of PTP with my rule-breaking, but it's all good when other people do the same shit?

And don't try to characterize me pointing out your inconsistency as persecution. Just call it what it is: A mad nigga wit some admin access being a bitch. You can't expect me to not point out that it's mighty suspect for you to consistently flex your admin login on me and then throw around words like USUALLY when I point out that you don't do that shit consistently with other posters. So I sit here and see that shit and I party because it reinforces my opinion of you.

You could be the coolest nigga in the world for all I know, but on this board your behavior is bitchmade. Really.

The floor is yours. I have no response after this.

>You just be bangin out all the pussy, huh man? Who
>still uses "you dont get no pussy" in a goddamn argument
>between MEN...in 2013? You are a ridiculous ass dude.
>

Looks like it can go either way. Kinda surprised Will went with M. Night for a family film after the Last Airbender fiasco. I'm guessing it'll be pretty decent as Will has a good eye for genre fare.

This is clearly way more Jaden's flick than Will's. I wouldn't be surprised if Will eats it in the first act.

If this movie tanks, I'm going to put it on the marketing department. The trailers for the film were too serious and honestly, pretty bland. In just 30 seconds, the new TV spot does a better job of playing up Will and Jaden's relationship and injects a little humor into the proceedings (and actually lets Jaden say something, which I'm not sure happened in the initial trailers.)

Basically, the trailers seemed like an M. Night film, this ad feels more like a Will/Jaden Smith movie.

http://latino-review.com/2013/05/12/after-earth-tv-spot-2/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=after-earth-tv-spot-2

Eggs, with some veggies

Then got a coffee and a muffin

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if the reviews are terrible and word of mouth is bad i'm skipping this. I got a couple of free movie passes so it ain't about the money. If it ends up streaming on Netflix i may give it a look.

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/m-night-shyamalan-blackout-falls-on-after-earth-1200485989/

"For Shyamalan, the pic represents the first time he has been strictly a director for hire and has helmed a film based on a screenplay he didn’t originate. The script, based on an idea by Smith, was written by Gary Whitta (“The Book of Eli”). Once Shyamalan came aboard in 2010, he reworked several drafts to better acquaint himself with the project."


Shyamalan is no where in the official promos.

>
>
>Shyamalan is no where in the official promos.

Link?

Oh, the trailers look AWFUL. It's that weird green-screen-jump-punch motion that isn't just right thing.

Looking forward to real reviews.

So any reviews out now are probably bogus.

when I went to see Fast, families were lined up around the building for this; and not the best theater for sound, which was strange.

not the best theater for sound, which
>was strange.

Check that, I hate all the theaters I've been to in Atlanta, except that Fork & Screen shit

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said it was a metaphor for him and his son in the industry

DAT EPIC

The first 20 minutes before the crash had me and the audience rolling as to how bad it was. Then it got slightly better for the run time. But yea, I was bored through most of it. Jaden gets hurt/in trouble passes out, wakes up and keeps going. It repeats this scenario four times in the film. Also, you'll get used to the accents when it's just Will and Jaden for the movie, but the shit was horrid. Especially during the voice over in the beginning done by Jaden, that shit got the biggest laughs. Gotta say though I would perfer to see M. Night with a better script cause his directing here wasn't bad (wasn't great either). Only two parts to me stood out. That's when Big Willie flips out at dinner and when Jaden makes his pissed off monologue to Will on the mountain before he jumps off. Also, the only things I found cool was the body suit Jaden was in and the hologram communicator on his wrist.

But yea, it's not the train wreck I thought it was gonna be. Still wasn't that great.

Thanks.

Again MASSIVE SPOILERS





STILL HERE?










YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

So Jaden makes it to the tale end of the ship retrieves the beacon, and re-ups on supplies/weapons. The alien that they were transporting sets up a trap, setting off Jaden's fear (the alien can't see and huts and kills off of our fear pheromone. *snickers*). Jaden after getting a thorough ass whooping finally overcomes his fear and manages to "ghost" so the alien can't see him *snickers again*. He kills the alien hard body and Big Willie sees it. He sets off the beacon niggas come and scoop them up. Niggas are in awe that he took out that alien and he finally earns his father's love and respect.

FIN. Fade to black.

and showing up in gotham like shit ain't wrong with your cooked ass back smiling like ain't nuffin happen...but, i can see how that can elicit some snickers.

yeah

Dang You, M. Night Shyamalan, you have yet again turned another movie into a HEY AUDIENCE YOU ARE DUMB AND I AM SMART AND CLEVER jacked up ass movie.

http://www.pressherald.com/article/20130529/ARTS/130529827

http://www.chud.com/137022/review-after-earth/

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/after-earth-review

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/earth/review/560053

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/after-earth-movie-review/

exactly what i'd expect from the propaganda machine that single-handedly derailed M. Night's career

when it ain't about the WORK...it's racism. that's just my rule. once his persona became bigger than the work and the name-callin started...yeah, that's 'cism.

the artist MATTERS in art. the work doesn't stand on its own.

all i'm reading on different boards and stuff are haters commenting on how they can't wait to shit on this movie. why is that?

why is so much hate invested in night dogg? when did this happen? why do certain people try to out-hate each other when that dude drops a new flick? i've offered my theories about all this.

it ain't about the work. his visuals still can't be fucked wit. it's about HIM. for whatever reason, SOME people don't like him and they holding a grudge.

>when it ain't about the WORK...it's racism. that's just my
>rule.

That's a huge leap that makes a concious choice to skip all parts in between.

>once his persona became bigger than the work and the
>name-callin starting...yeah, that's 'cism.

No, the problem is the name became a draw with great movies, and then people began getting hoodwinked with shitty movies that pushed the name as a selling point. So shitty movies turned the name shitty, so hey, fuck this guy for making The Village and Lady In The Water. LITW was a huge, crusty jerk off sock and that pretty much murdered all the good will earned from his amazing initial three outings.

all i know is jackie brown, kill bill and grindhouse were consecutive shit bricks.

but, "cool" goes a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way.

it baffles me that people still make "twist" jokes about m. knight, but when you bring up taratino's "n-word" problem, everybody throw their hands up like it's off limits...and he fetishizes sistas. but someone these elements of his "style" are off-limits for LAUGHING AT.

and don't get me started on nolan's cliche's.

>all i know is jackie brown, kill bill and grindhouse were
>consecutive shit bricks.

OH. I forgot you've got this Q vs M agenda.

>but, "cool" goes a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way.

Actually... it does. Cool that falls short still goes miles further than pretentiousness that falls short.

>it baffles me that people still make "twist" jokes about m.
>knight, but when you bring up taratino's "n-word" problem,
>everybody throw their hands up like it's off limits...and he
>fetishizes sistas. but someone these elements of his "style"
>are off-limits for LAUGHING AT.

I mean.. these elements couldn't be more different, but you're not willing or able to view them in their individual context. You've decided on an a vs b agenda and that's that.

>and don't get me started on nolan's cliche's.

Cool story. Nolan makes significantly better movies.

If Q dog is trash, he's trash. If Nolan is trash, he's trash.

Same goes for Night Dog.

Playing the "You shit on Night Dog, BUT WHAT ABOUT Q AND NOLAN?" turns the conversation on it's head and destroys any sense of objectivity. It's the worst kind of agenda, because you're playing a defensive game instead of a balanced one.

Q's N word usage is almost always reasonable in the context of his films. It always makes sense in that world. That's not even up for debate. His movies are usually pretty good to boot.

The problem is his constant fetishizing- some say bastardizing- of the word and black culture, and that's valid. It's troubling that he finds a way to fit it into everything he does. That's the issue IMO- not that he uses it, but that's he's excessive and damn near obsessed with it. He relies on "authenticity" as a catch-all crutch to justify his usage. Scorcese does this too, but nowhere near to the degree that Q does. He gets away with it because his films tend to be well made and exist in worlds that play up their schlocky sensibilities.

That's got nothing to do with Shyamalan's work. He takes intriguing ideas and characters and settings and often turns them into cheap, generic end products that fall far short of the hype, and make no mistake- he was HEAVILY hyped until The Village. The twist is his N word, that's his black culture fetish. The issue is never the twist as a device, but the execution and/or build that people tend to take issue with and he hasn't executed well between Signs and Devil. Night's movies are always earnest, yet the schlock creeps in where it's unwanted and unwarranted. The Happening is nothing but unintentional comedy from start to finish. Ditto The Last Airbender.

Playing the race card as the only reason people shit on Night and slobber Q is short sighted and misses all the context of what makes their films good or bad on their own merits.

>Playing the "You shit on Night Dog, BUT WHAT ABOUT Q AND
>NOLAN?" turns the conversation on it's head and destroys any
>sense of objectivity. It's the worst kind of agenda, because
>you're playing a defensive game instead of a balanced one.

"Objectivity"

Are you out of your fucking mind?


All criticisms are based on *standards*

WHEN you apply ONE set of standards to one set of
filmmakers and a DIFFERENT set to another, YOU ruin the
contract between art and opinion that fair criticism is
based on.

It becomes a game of people making shit up as they go
along, RATHER THAN evaluating and critiquing "based on
their own merits."

The "based on their own merits" is specifically what the
debate is -- what "merit" is based on changes from filmmaker
to filmmaker, critic to critic.

That's why the criticisms of M. Night are almost always
chuckle worthy as is praise of QT

They are inconsistently and disproportionately
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M. Night exhausted his lifetime supply of worthwhile creative output about a decade ago

This whole thing could have been avoided.

It reads different now.

Is this the end of Jaden Smith?

No. He’s going to grow into a good looking, physically adept actor with huge power and nepotism behind him. He’s not going anywhere. He’s not a horrible actor but those two facial expressions aren’t going to do much for him.

http://www.chud.com/137022/review-after-earth/

i'mma create a big ass file of all the ORIGINAL futuristic aesthetics introduced and when i see a "cool" director try to use something from it...i'm fryin them.

it's gonna happen.

This isn't a black or white issue.

in that file?

unlike you, i'm not so pressed to hate that i'd believe that the hundreds of peoples intimately involved with the execution of the premise of this film are completely ignorant of fuckin evolution.

however, everyone involved in dark knight rises missed how SECONDS work and basic nuclear physics. so...ya never know.

Trailer says it's earth 1000 years in the future and there are some sort of massive spore things and hybrid jungle cat/baboons that really can't just "happen" in 1000 years time. OG Planet of the Apes gave Earth 2000+ years to breath into that reality, which was a bit more plausible if you accept the active intelligence of Cornelius. Or a movie like Wall-E which shows a decimated planet that didn't evolve, at all, on it's own in ~700 years time.

This though? I'm all for suspension of reason and science in an action or comedy movie (did I mention I saw FF6 last night, which is both and horribly implausible from a space/time perspective), but sloppy scifi is hard to excuse any more.

>Trailer says it's earth 1000 years in the future and there
>are some sort of massive spore things and hybrid jungle
>cat/baboons that really can't just "happen" in 1000 years
>time. OG Planet of the Apes gave Earth 2000+ years to breath
>into that reality, which was a bit more plausible if you
>accept the active intelligence of Cornelius. Or a movie like
>Wall-E which shows a decimated planet that didn't evolve, at
>all, on it's own in ~700 years time.

1. We're talking science fiction. Not HARD science fiction, which takes great care to keep things as realistically plausable as possible, but summer blockbuster sci-fi.

2. In a sci-fi world, it's a perfectly plausable idea that the evolutionary process could accelerate for whatever reason. No, this doesn't need to be explained in the movie.

>This though? I'm all for suspension of reason and science in
>an action or comedy movie (did I mention I saw FF6 last night,
>which is both and horribly implausible from a space/time
>perspective), but sloppy scifi is hard to excuse any more.

No, because literally no genre gives more creative license than sci-fi except fantasy. You do realize the SS Enterprise is pretty much impossible to build based on the sheer cost, right?

>1. We're talking science fiction. Not HARD science fiction,
>which takes great care to keep things as realistically
>plausable as possible, but summer blockbuster sci-fi.

Then don't make it "Earth" unless this is some of that nuskool religiony shit he and Tom are into.

>2. In a sci-fi world, it's a perfectly plausable idea that the
>evolutionary process could accelerate for whatever reason. No,
>this doesn't need to be explained in the movie.

speed up evolution...okay...



>No, because literally no genre gives more creative license
>than sci-fi except fantasy. You do realize the SS Enterprise
>is pretty much impossible to build based on the sheer cost,
>right?

Engineering is one thing with greater license that out and out natural sciences; the Enterprise is impossible to build based on our current mechanical abilities and capacity. But the future?

compare that to a leopard or whatever: it's not going to just quickly decide to grow antlers because it makes it more badass; that's not remotely how evolution works.

>Then don't make it "Earth" unless this is some of that nuskool
>religiony shit he and Tom are into.

How about you just put down the fine toothed comb.

>speed up evolution...okay...

I don't think you understand the "fiction" portion of science fiction.

>Engineering is one thing with greater license that out and out
>natural sciences; the Enterprise is impossible to build based
>on our current mechanical abilities and capacity. But the
>future?

Ahem: I talked about financial ramifications. Before we even get to tech, that shit wouldn't even be financially feasable.

>compare that to a leopard or whatever: it's not going to just
>quickly decide to grow antlers because it makes it more
>badass; that's not remotely how evolution works.

Cool. You may want to try and grasp the concept that this isn't a science movie, it's a scienve *fiction* movie.

>
>Ahem: I talked about financial ramifications. Before we even
>get to tech, that shit wouldn't even be financially feasable.
>


And chose to ignore it because that is a BASE stupid thing FINANCE is to even mockingly nitpick over.

How did the Qin dynasty possibly afford to buy all those stones in the Great Wall? They must still be in debt!

http://www.pnas.org/content/101/32/11531.full

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0062186

http://cogprints.org/2499/


I don't care to explain it, nor defend the film.

But people study evolutionary rates; whether propensity to/rate
of evolution can increase or decrease is an active area of
study.

I could also just tell you that SciFi worlds have been
based on dumber, more far fetched ideas.

But this is Will Smith we're talking about, so I have to
provide you links to things that you'll never read.


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BUT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN!

May as well scrap the whole fucking genre.

And it basically backs up my gripe by pointing to rapid evolveability mainly occurring at the smallest molecular levels that manifest over greater periods of time in large-scale physical changes.

I'm not pissing on your cheerios about this being a Will Smith movie, just that the basis of why these animals or whatever they have quickly became to be are after Fresh Prince and the Prince of Fresh Prince is silly.

B9. Its time for you to be quiet.

Married, doing well at life B9 has been a great
poster.

Don't go back to 2006 when you were posing pictures
of dead carcasses

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Will Smith's seeming deity-like status and the infallibility of all he touches being one of them.

Does White Chicks still hold up as your all time greatest comedy?

>Will Smith's seeming deity-like status and the infallibility
>of all he touches being one of them.

Nah, Will has made movies I don't like,

If I don't like this one, I'll tell you.

I'm talking about your science fiction point.

Hush, B9.


>Does White Chicks still hold up as your all time greatest
>comedy?

Oh, it was fantastic, brilliant. Victim of a racist double
standard, though.

Do you want links to defend the idea that black men can
dress up as white women?

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FICTION.

In other words, THEY MADE IT UP.

It's not, you know, even supposed to be factual.

.

Because most of the sci-fi I've seen come from the majors lately doesn't make a lick of sense.

I think most are futuristic fantasy or something. I mean, speeding up evolution isn't as bad as cold fusion freezing stuff (Star Trek).

>however, everyone involved in dark knight rises missed how
>SECONDS work and basic nuclear physics. so...ya never know.

you gotta admire all these extra chances he keeps gettin tho...he fightin that good fight

and don't try to offer up airbender as some huge opportunity because i ain't know shit about it until i heard he was directing it.

airbender is not an american icon with a built-in audience.

& getting a big franchise like batman is one thing, doing something with it is another

bryan singer got the previous superman reboot but hasn't exactly become a household name since then

>and don't try to offer up airbender as some huge opportunity
>because i ain't know shit about it until i heard he was
>directing it.

neither did i so i wouldn't dare go there

>airbender is not an american icon with a built-in audience.

agreed...but back to my original question

because he BETTER.

he BETTER start askin no!an for some help

m. night's visuals are universally revered, even by haters. that ain't a problem for him.

it's a problem for nolan though. always has been. he has a boring eye.

>m. night's visuals are universally revered, even by haters.
>that ain't a problem for him.

>it's a problem for nolan though. always has been. he has a
>boring eye.

this was a boring reply

his movies look great...why you think wally is always gettin them oscar noms & won for inception?

everything they make in hollywood done been done b4. EVERYTHANG.
Of course they gonna copy it. They either copy or steal,lol. What's new?

I know i am a crazy mutherfucker but you an idiot.

Shit, let me tell you something man. Even the profits on most of these films fake. Ain't no secret dude.

It's the wall street game.
Oliver Stone told you 'bout that shit.

Speculation on worthless products. Most movies today are worthless piles of dooo doooo.

Shyamalan started off with some promise but he failed. If it wasn't for the chip world he would have been out of the game. Internet buzz. Does not matter if After Earth flops or not cause the buzz is the dollars. Shyamalam ain't nowhere close to being Hitchcock, man. He is not a gret director period.

Will Smith is a hollywood money man. A charismatic actor with limited range. Imo his career is kinda like what Harrison Ford's was. Big hits in the scifi and action genre and hit or miss elsewhere.

It's just a game dude.

...and already this place is a shit show.


I don't got into M. Night's movies hoping they're gonna be bad. We need more minorities in Hollywood making movies for the masses that'll attract the masses.

Unfortunately, M. Night just like Spike Lee, Antoine Fuqua, Will Smith, and even at times Denzel all get in their own way.

But yo I really hope this dude can make a dope movie people can get behind again one day. This isn't it.

*EDIT* Longo was right. This post was bound to be doomed.

and The Last Airbender, which is unforgiveable.

The Village is whatever. I get the hate for that.

It's shits and giggles man, not that serious.

The Last Stand, Olympus Has Fallen, and Fast and Furious 6--

-- all non-white directors. So hopefully the disproportionate ratio will stop being the norm.

I'll probably delete most of the non-movie-related back-and-forth. I love that "what is science fiction" talk though. Unexpectedly interesting pre-release debate.

>I'll probably delete most of the non-movie-related
>back-and-forth.

Ah well. Fun while it lasted I suppose!

>I love that "what is science fiction" talk
>though. Unexpectedly interesting pre-release debate.

You should join that portion.

And you know I can go there...so I just took part


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Engaging you in any serious discussion where you disagree with the other party is usually a fruitless endeavor, since you always make a beeline for the "u mad?" schtick.

So rather than waste time having a serious discussion with you, I cut to the chase and got straight to the inevitable shenanigans.

When Basa responds, I'll continue an actual adult conversation with him.

Its true


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I utilized your tactics to a t.

I utilized your tactics to a t.

We've had to do that for 21 Jump Street and other films. Might as well do it with this one as well.

Live and let live, man.

nm

of M. Night but people seem to just be focusing on him. Most of the criticism seems to be about the somewhat lame/soft story (which M. Night didn't write), the misuse of Will Smiths talent by rendering him useless as he is confined to a chair, and Jaydens ability to carry the movie.

If it's the holy trinity of Night-Dogg, No!an or Niggatino this will always be the case

We can't even talk about the actually films these cats make, instead of focusing on agenda tactics and looking for reasons to shit on the film they made because it has their name on it.

if me and OE ain't push back so hard. it would be one big lame ass pile on. ALL Y'ALL would be gettin in lil shots.

and if we gotta hate on nolan and tarantino to make y'all understand...so be it. because they do lame stuff too.

>if me and OE ain't push back so hard. it would be one big
>lame ass pile on. ALL Y'ALL would be gettin in lil shots.
>
>and if we gotta hate on nolan and tarantino to make y'all
>understand...so be it. because they do lame stuff too.

All you've said is WHAT ABOUT Q AND NOLAN? THEY SUCK TOO!

i ain't say they sucked. i said, they make wack stuff too. i've said lady in the water was wack. and airbender.

however, he better than them. taratino's scope is limited and the jig gonna be up soon. he was already STUCK for a decade before he thought up this "revenge" crap. people don't recall that his obit was being written in the early days of the net. he came back tho. good for him.

and before batman saved him, nolan was destined to be small-time niche director.

>i ain't say they sucked. i said, they make wack stuff too.

Yeah, but you're the one bringing them into play. That's the thing- nobody is saying Night Dog Sucks!! Nolan rules all!

>however, he better than them. taratino's scope is limited and
>the jig gonna be up soon.

>he was already STUCK for a decade
>before he thought up this "revenge" crap. people don't recall
>that his obit was being written in the early days of the net.
>he came back tho. good for him.

Was... and as you said, he made his comeback. Night has floundered for awhile, and he's had chances.

>and before batman saved him, nolan was destined to be
>small-time niche director.

Night had his chance with Airbender. He had a hot property that could be setting up production on a third entry as we speak and made a grand return of his own.... but he failed miserably. That was a huge fuckup on his part because that shit was awful in every way possible. He was handed a tentpole and folded. Nolan was handed a tentpole and camped the fuck out en route to superstardom. He's a legit sacred cow now.

They may not be perfect, they may do wack shit, but their movies as a whole hold up far better financially and otherwise. I think you forget how highly regrding Night was even after The Village. Lady In The Water was his death knell. Airbender was his chance and he fucked that off.

Still, you're the one turning this into an agenda post. combatting negative press and reviews with LOOK AT NOLAN! is just a diversion that avoids taking a hard look at Night.

And yet all you can talk about are two other directors you hate and how nobody says anything bad about them but you.

I'd rather hear you talk about Night Dog personally.

All you've done is bitch and moan and cry about how poor Night Dogg is persecuted.

And I'm the crybaby?

LOL

You been whining because I shit on Nolan and Tarantino.

You're so pissy over any criticism this guy gets you throw out the names of other directors to divert attention away from him.

He makes a shitty movie that bombs critically AND financially, you play a race card.

It's impossible for you to have an emotionless conversation on the man or his movies.

Oh yes, you are absolutely a crybaby on this subject.

You're till cool people in my book but this whole topic is a massive L for you.

i'm just another dude making an argument on a film message board. i have my opinions. i feel night dogg's persona colors critic's view of his work in a decidedly negative way and i believe the exact opposite happens with those two particular directors i referenced.

you talk about me coppin pleas for night dogg? well, paid professionals cop pleas for those two. over and over again, it happens.

why you so mad about this baffles me.

>i'm just another dude making an argument on a film message
>board. i have my opinions. i feel night dogg's persona colors
>critic's view of his work in a decidedly negative way and i
>believe the exact opposite happens with those two particular
>directors i referenced.
>
>you talk about me coppin pleas for night dogg? well, paid
>professionals cop pleas for those two. over and over again, it
>happens.
>
>why you so mad about this baffles me.
>
>

i'm keepin it about THE WORK.

don't be bitchy, dogg.

I believe you started the crybaby shit. YOU started the name calling, nancy. Not me.

Even now, you're being a pissy little girl about the whole thing.

You've got a roll of paper towels in your cunt as we speak trying to control that flow.

Your mans is LOSING. The two dudes you hate have been winning like a mother fucker during that streak. You spend 90% of your words in a post about the guy you LIKE bitching and moaning about the guys you HATE.

Nope, the bitch in here is YOO.

>All you've done is bitch and moan and cry about how poor
>Night Dogg is persecuted.
>
>And I'm the crybaby?
>
>LOL
Nigga ain't even seen the movie and coppin "feels"....shit's sad.

AIN'T WE GOT FUN Y'ALL?

___________________________________________________________________________________
A No Rough Stuff Type Deal

Yeah.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2013-05-29/film/after-earth-smith-family-robinson/

while others can make a moto-bike do all kinds of lame ass trickery on the streets of gotham and SOMEHOW no one can summon the courage to say it looks lame.

Or are you just going to sit here and have a pissy pity party over bad reviews?

Notice how you can't just talk about the movie without trying to divert people's attention to other directors? You can't even talk about the movie on it's own merits.

OH YOU SAY THE CGI IS BAD? WHAT ABOUT BATMAN?

Hey, Basa, stay on topic. This is about this film. Why can't you just discuss this film on it's own merits? Why can't/won't you offer a rebuttal to criticism instead of throwing out diversions for your anti Nolan/Q agenda?

can i live? why you mad? because i'm the first person you know off to challenge the look and feel of that lame moto-bike tumbling around? it looked fake and STUPID.

>can i live? why you mad? because i'm the first person you
>know off to challenge the look and feel of that lame moto-bike
>tumbling around? it looked fake and STUPID.

But you're coming across a little.... well... female on the subject. Going a little too hard IMO. Not that you care, I'm just saying.

I could care less what you think of those movies or that bike. I enjoyed them and it's no big deal to me when someone doesn't. I just don't see the sense in the Night/Nolan/Q agenda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLIwiT4PteY

science fiction that covers how human ruined earth are now cliche. CHECK! (so, it stands to reason that ANY film subsequent to AE that cover this territory is CLICHE).


jaden's acting is a "work in progress"...the kid lauded for karate kid and pursuit of happyness now can' act. CHECK! (convenient).

M Night backhanded compliment. CHECK!

he don't wanna see SFX monsters no more. he literally said he can go the rest of this life without seeing it. CHECK! (stands to reason he won't like any film that has these kinds of monsters)

>
>
>jaden's acting is a "work in progress"...the kid lauded for
>karate kid and pursuit of happyness now can' act. CHECK!
>(convenient).

I'll agree with you on this one. Don't see Jaden as being the issue at all. The story just looks meh. Avatarded,lol.

The story just looks meh. Avatarded

Just to throw that out there.

When i saw that first trailer lol i was thinking, i know they ain't doing that shit(Avatarzan) again. It was an instant turnoff and i guess i never recovered.
The second blow was Shyamalan. You know it is kinda odd that he has never written anything as good as The sixth Sense again.

DID HE STEAL THE SIXTHSENSE? I PUT NOTHING PAST THEM FOLKS IN HOLLYWOOD. They steal other people shit even if it is copyrighted.


Oh yeah and by the way Longo you LLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTT!

Lol, How much money did you say AE was gonna make? bwood i think got this one right. I think he said 80 to 90million.

smh

it's been nine years since L. night directed a film that cracked 25% on the tomatometer. that film was the village. he's about to release a big budget summer sci-fi flick starring WILL SMITH that will finish a distant SECOND at the box office to a movie that came out LAST WEEK. they took L. night's name off all the trailers, off all the posters, off all the commercials, did everything they could to hide the fact that he directed this, and it's STILL GON' TANK! LOLOLOL!! there is no more entertaining saga in hollywood-- maybe hollywood history-- than the amount of rope "night dogg" has been given and will continue to get to hang himself.

and speaking of night dogg, get... cha... pop... corn... READY!

'cause the only question now is how far backwards basagLia and orbit estabLished will bend over to try and spin their latest absolutely positively unspinnable failed PTP agenda. will they:

1) blame 'cism?
2) make this about rotten tomatoes and film criticism?
3) write a dissertation-length essay on hipsters?
4) repeat the phrase "virulent macguffins" over and over till everyone forgets what movie we're discussing?
5) lock themselves in their rooms and masturbate furiously to the django unchained soundtrack?

phone lines are open. dial 1-866-LLL-LLOL and lock in your votes.... now.

No one cares, nigga.

If it does numbers, it's a W. if not, it's an L.

We all knew critics would shit on it. Will Smith been taking Scientology brickbats for 18 months. It was predictable that the issue would show up in 75% of the negative reviews of the film.

>it's been nine years since L. night directed a film that
>cracked 25% on the tomatometer.

^^PROOF!!!

lol

OH WAIT

Lady In The Water
The Happening
The Last Airbender

All shitty movies.
Devil was legitimately a good movie.




>he's about to release a big budget summer sci-fi flick
>starring WILL SMITH that will finish a distant SECOND at the
>box office to a movie that came out LAST WEEK. they took L.
>night's name off all the trailers, off all the posters, off
>all the commercials, did everything they could to hide the
>fact that he directed this, and it's STILL GON' TANK!
>LOLOLOL!! there is no more entertaining saga in hollywood--
>maybe hollywood history-- than the amount of rope "night dogg"
>has been given and will continue to get to hang himself.

^^^^. I love 4 of his movies but the rest is absolute shit, and he's been on a roll in that regard.

>'cause the only question now is how far backwards basagLia and
>orbit estabLished will bend over to try and spin their latest
>absolutely positively unspinnable failed PTP agenda. will
>they:
>
>1) blame 'cism?

They've already done that.

>2) make this about rotten tomatoes and film criticism?

Did that too.

>3) write a dissertation-length essay on hipsters?

NOt sure but it's a safe bet they've already done this too.

>4) repeat the phrase "virulent macguffins" over and over till
>everyone forgets what movie we're discussing?

LOL

>5) lock themselves in their rooms and masturbate furiously to
>the django unchained soundtrack?

There's no way this hasn't already happened.

>phone lines are open. dial 1-866-LLL-LLOL and lock in your
>votes.... now.

Done :)

cause a lotta the motherfuckers in here killing this film
were talking about shit like DKR was damn near a masterpiece
and that movie was definately a piece of dog shit

shit like this is why Ba and OE be going hard as they do
its blatant at this point

too many double standards

ill wait till i see it and be back with my assessment
based on bwood, Ba, and Frank's reviews my expectations are low
but im not buying that 13% thats something else

SPOILERS


Negatives...

the ursa - the antagonist - didn't have enough build-up. instead of V.O., i wish they had explained it through action, showing how deadly it can be through training exercises or footage of training excercises, where it kills some muhfuckas. would loved to see more of how it hunt so efficiently. woulda made a much more menacing villain. and the look of the creature wasn't ground-breaking. looked like an alien derivative.

SLOW...this had some great action sequences and i wish they were more condensed and less spaced out...woulda added to the urgency of jaden's mission.

will sucked. he just did. i know what he was going for. it didn't work.


Positives...


the look and feel of "the future" is amazing. orginal and fully realized vision by night dogg. like i said i expect people to steal from this film's look. from the architecture to the wardrobe, the designs look like some shit human beings developed organically, by way of necessity and increasing efficiency. smart suits are hot fiya. combat weapon is hot fiya.

i though jaden was pretty good. the pivotal scene where he confronts his pops about their differences...he pulled that off very well.

night dogg's handling of the crash was incredible. the psychics were realistic, if not perfect.


in summary: anyone saying this shit is cringe-worthy and night dogg shouldn't be allowed to direct anymore is a flat out hater. i can't say it any plainer.

>
>SPOILERS
>
>
>Negatives...
>
>the ursa - the antagonist - didn't have enough build-up.
>instead of V.O., i wish they had explained it through action,
>showing how deadly it can be through training exercises or
>footage of training excercises, where it kills some muhfuckas.
>would loved to see more of how it hunt so efficiently. woulda
>made a much more menacing villain. and the look of the
>creature wasn't ground-breaking. looked like an alien
>derivative.

Yup
>
>SLOW...this had some great action sequences and i wish they
>were more condensed and less spaced out...woulda added to the
>urgency of jaden's mission.

Yup. But the action scenes weren't that great either.
>
>will sucked. he just did. i know what he was going for. it
>didn't work.
>
>
>Positives...
>
>
>the look and feel of "the future" is amazing. orginal and
>fully realized vision by night dogg. like i said i expect
>people to steal from this film's look. from the architecture
>to the wardrobe, the designs look like some shit human beings
>developed organically, by way of necessity and increasing
>efficiency. smart suits are hot fiya. combat weapon is hot
>fiya.

I liked everything exept the cutlass. All this future tech and no gats and lazers? Nigga please...

>i though jaden was pretty good. the pivotal scene where he
>confronts his pops about their differences...he pulled that
>off very well.

Jaden was alright, but yea that was the only scene I felt anything for his character besides the scene with the poison leech.
>
>night dogg's handling of the crash was incredible. the
>psychics were realistic, if not perfect.

No.

>in summary: anyone saying this shit is cringe-worthy and night
>dogg shouldn't be allowed to direct anymore is a flat out
>hater. i can't say it any plainer.

It sucked. I'm not saying M. Night shouldn't direct anymore, but the shit sucked.

>
>
>
>
>
>

it's an entirely new take on the future, one i haven't seen before.

no problem with you not liking it tho. your opinion.

actually gave a real review
yall both seem to saw a lot of the same things wrong

will been sucking for a minute people gonna have to start talking about it soon.

>will been sucking for a minute people gonna have to start
>talking about it soon.

>>will been sucking for a minute people gonna have to start
>>talking about it soon.
>


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Damn I was about to shit on dude like everyone else,
talk about how he's trending down

No, he ain't

This his first flop since WWW

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He's been hit or miss his whole career

>He's been hit or miss his whole career

Right, and better than any other big time box office
star

Because Johnny Depp was looking like an embarrassment
in that Lone Ranger trailer

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>>He's been hit or miss his whole career
>
>Right, and better than any other big time box office
>star
>
>Because Johnny Depp was looking like an embarrassment
>in that Lone Ranger trailer

Your straw man attempts would be an even bigger embarrassment if it weren't so typical. I couldn't care less about Depp.

Sad

And Depp has a big budget movie coming out, has done
them before...action and adventure moves

DDL has nothing to do with this...you just brought it up
cuz you mad bro


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>And Depp has a big budget movie coming out, has done
>them before...action and adventure moves

Which has nothing to do w/ Will bein inconsistent

>DDL has nothing to do with this...you just brought it up
>cuz you mad bro

Yeah I'm mad you've got multiple agendas gettin doused in hot ether here. I'm mad DDL is a consistently great actor. I'm mad your boy Big Willy aint & your boy Bags sez he sucks in this latest flick yall were (it looks like he bailed but you're still dumb enough to be) ridin so hard for.

What big budget star is he "inconsistent" RELATIVE TO?

You said Daniel Day Lewis LOL LOL LOL LOL

I'm saying Depp cuz he got a BIG BUDGET MOVIE coming
out...he look like a DAMN FOOL in that shit...and its
gonna flop

Its a RELEVANT example

You don't have any....you just making shit UP

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What big budget star is he "inconsistent" RELATIVE TO?

Don't care since I said nothin bout budget

>You said Daniel Day Lewis LOL LOL LOL LOL

I said that w/ no reference to your question above since I don't care & to make you less mad so you'd feel better bout your Big wiLLy attachment. Sorry you can't understand sarcasm & sorry it didn't work.

>I'm saying Depp cuz he got a BIG BUDGET MOVIE coming
>out...he look like a DAMN FOOL in that shit...and its
>gonna flop

Hey that's great! I don't think he or it looks that good either. Don't care if it flops cause I don't care about Depp either. Obviously you do since it'll make you feel better bout takin your L's here. Guess you gotta find those small victories somewhere.

>Its a RELEVANT example

To your own question I don't care about. Congrats!

>You don't have any

Exactly! Cause I don't care & I aint takin the bait from no straw man!

....you just making shit UP

I stated my opinion that Will has been an inconsistent actor his whole career. He's great in the Bad Boys flicks. He's great in MIB. He's awful in Ali, I-Robot & Bags said he sucked in this latest as well. He's inconsistent in other flicks like Enemy of the State by overacting a lot. Much like you're doing here.

Now if you wanna argue this above? Cool. It's still a matter of opinion & personal preference so I aint gonna go back & forth w/ you on it as it's pointless. Neither one of us are gonna change the other's opinion.

If you'd rather keep havin that awesome argument w/ yourself over budgets & Depp that's cool too. Not my concern.

Tryna shit on Will's acting by bring up DDL?


LOL


LOL


Just shush


You embarrassed yourself

You don't say!?!?

Damn...fuck Will Smith then

Bwahahahahhaahahahahahhaa

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NIGHT DOGG, YOU DID IT!! YOU DID IT!!! YOU TURNED JESSE EISENBERG INTO A BIGGER BOX OFFICE DRAW THAN WILL SMITH!!!

BWAAAHAHAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
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*breathes*

BWAAAHAHAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
BWAAAHAHAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
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http://variety.com/2013/film/news/box-office-uh-oh-now-you-see-me-tops-after-earth-thursday-night-1200490474/
Box Office: Uh-Oh! ‘Now You See Me’ Tops ‘After Earth’ Thursday Night

In a surprising development, Summit’s “Now You See Me” earned $1.5 million Thursday night at the U.S. box office, beating director M. Night Shyamalan and Sony’s $1 million launch for “After Earth.”

“Now You See Me,” which cost nearly $75 million compared to “After Earth’s” estimated $130 million budget, opened at 7 p.m. Thursday night, while the Will Smith-Jaden Smith actioner bowed at 9 p.m.

Still, the numbers are a troubling sign for Sony and Shyamalan, who has been all but M.I.A. in the studio’s marketing campaign. (editor's note: LOLOLOLLL!!!)

Starring Will Smith and Jaden Smith, “After Earth” is still expected to pull ahead of “Now You See Me” with a $35 million-plus opening.

“Now You See Me,” directed by Louis Leterrier, is on track for a $20 million debut.

Last weekend’s B.O. champ, “Fast and Furious 6,” will likely stay at No. 1 in its second weekend with an estimated $50 million over three days. Previous “Fast” movies have dropped sharply in their second weekends, but the strong opening for the sixth edition shows that the drop may be less than other editions.

$35 million feels really low for a Will Smith sci-fi action summer movie.

but it's hard to gauge with such lowered expectations all the way around.

i would be shocked if this didn't perform well overseas.

... but seeing as how the studio is clearly banking on this flick's overseas success over its domestic numbers, I'd keep an eye on those instead.

Not yet 3pm pacific time and we've already gone from "At absolute worst 225 domestic" or 175 million if it's not good to the studio is "clearly banking" on the overseas numbers?

It's looking at low to mid 20's right now, according to Deadline. That's a PTP flop.

i'm depending on black people, asians and young people right now. heavy.

That people find appealing.

HSX has had it finishing just over 100 for a while now, which I thought felt low. I thought people were not only underestimating Jaden's pull, but that this would get better reception than it did (it's certainly miles better than his last two, which is why the current reception is so strange).

Though as discussed in this post and others, the real place this flick would make its money has always been overseas. I just thought it'd outperform people's expectations here too.

Oh well.

All of the "vanity project" and "M. Night sucks" talk is weird. I didn't love it, but there's plenty to like here.

The good:

- it doesn't look like other sci-fi films. The spaceship stuff was terrific, as were a lot of the basic technology. Little details, like the breathing mask blinking on an LED screen when it was properly attached, were great. The multi-function weapon was a very nice touch.

- this is the least Will Smith role Smith has ever played, and I appreciated how measured his performance was. It's damn near impossible to make a man without any fear even remotely interesting, and only an actor like Smith could make it work as much as he did.

- Jaden, like in Karate Kid, is at his best when he's played the wide-eyed kid, unable to absorb it all, overwhelmed with emotion. For most of the movie, this is what he is.

- ROY FROM THE OFFICE SIGHTING. GLENN FROM 24 SIGHTING.

- the plot is the plot of a very basic father-son action-suspense movie that you might see in February or October. It's not unlike a Western in basic plot. Again, this will make some understandably feel the movie "doesn't do enough," but it's enjoyably different on an intellectual level.

- some of the visuals are flat-out great. The ash from the mountain. The swishing screen door after the landing.

- what I love most about Shyamalan's movies is how earnest they are. They absolutely don't wink at the audience. This makes them occasionally corny and occasionally dull, but in a world where irony reigns supreme, I appreciate it. There's some corniness here ("stand me up"), but the movie really isn't dull.

The bad:

- outside of the crash sequence, I didn't think the more kinetic scenes were shot too well. The flying suit sequence in particular should have been amazing, as similar sequences in Avatar and How To Train Your Dragon were-- here, it never delivers that sense of wonder. While the final battle is better, I too felt like Shyamalan wasn't as comfortable with the fast-moving stuff. Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, Signs: these movies are meticulously paced, overall and within each scene. The faster stuff didn't work for me.

- there's a poison sequence that's pretty embarrassing, largely due to mediocre makeup.

- I understood the importance of the flashbacks, but I felt there were too many of them and they took me out of the present. We kind of got the point the first five or six times.

- some of the points I appreciated above, like the simplicity of the story and the difficulty of Will's character, still undoubtedly kept me from loving the film. I could've used more action, greater odds to face.

- Jaden as a badass doesn't really play yet. In one or two scenes, he has to be the "hero." Those didn't work as well for me. I also wish they hadn't dampened his charisma so much. The movie could've used some more humor-- its moments sprinkled within ("That sucked." "That is correct.") were welcome.

I still feel like Shyamalan has a great movie or more left in the tank. His world-building and his visuals are still great, and I think going for a simpler story is the right direction. I really want him to get back to the very slow Hitchcockian vibe of Sixth Sense/Unbreakable/Signs/parts of The Village and Lady in the Water. He slow builds so gracefully and creates one hell of a mood. A lot of that is present in After Earth, it's just difficult on a conceptual level to love.

I'd say it's worth matinee ticket price, especially if you're into sci-fi for the world building alone. Don't expect loads of action or the usual Smith charisma. This flick is going for something different.

EDIT: there's no way this movie deserves a 13%. Maybe not a fresh, but 13% is ridiculous.

scanning other takes though, they all seemed to make a big deal about the nepotism. which I found pretty vindictive (and why I don't read reviews regularly).

>scanning other takes though, they all seemed to make a big
>deal about the nepotism. which I found pretty vindictive (and
>why I don't read reviews regularly).

It's as if everyone who wrote about it just arrived from a distant planet, observed this as its first movie, and came to the conclusion that Hollywood success is based on who you know and who you're related to.

I didn't like it as much as MZS, but most of his points are on the money, and he doesn't get hung up on "omg weather doesn't behave that way in a thousand years" and all the detail-oriented barbs they love tossing at Shyamalan flicks.

you gotta admit this aint your typical nepotism

this is that good "ive been in Hollywood too long" entitled nepotism

Until ppl complain about Barrymore & Downey w/this same level of ire, not to mention Colin Hanks and Emma Roberts I REALLY don't wanna hear this shit.

Hollywood is FULL of nepotism, this shit ain't new.

>Until ppl complain about Barrymore & Downey w/this same level
>of ire, not to mention Colin Hanks and Emma Roberts I REALLY
>don't wanna hear this shit.
>
>Hollywood is FULL of nepotism, this shit ain't new.

and not just hollywood sheesh

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

it wasnt that bad
people love to exaggerate

i see what it was reaching for and came up a bit short
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Dude's trailer is about to get a whole lot smaller.

which is where i like him best

But who at Sony has big enough balls to tell Will Smith that they're not greenlighting anymore projects for him and Jada and their kids?

And if they do, Will will say "no problem," then skip across the way to Fox, or across town to Warner Bros./Universal/Paramount, all of whom would be more than happy to be in the Smith family business

Shit, while y'all bullshittin', *I'M* trying to be in the Smith family business

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>But who at Sony has big enough balls to tell Will Smith that
>they're not greenlighting anymore projects for him and Jada
>and their kids?

Night Dogg's nearly decade long string of them, on the hand, is.

>Night Dogg's nearly decade long string of them, on the hand,
>is.


Knight dogg's last 4 Total Gross:

last airbender- $131,772,187
the happening- $64,506,874
lady in the water- $42,285,169
the village- $114,197,520

He can easily fix it but after four years off, this is looking like it'll be his second film in a row to fail to recoup its budget with its domestic box office,

The best thing Will's got going for him is that the Johnny backlash is a month away as I think a lot of people in the media are waiting for Lone Ranger to tank so they can have at him as well. (And his demanding 20 million to be in Black Mass is a nice appetizer for the wolves.)

Focus and The American Can might get his acting cred back up but I think he's going to need something beyond going back to the well (Hancock, Bad Boys, I, Robot) to restart his blockbuster status.

After Earth seems like it's his Valkyrie.

And that was, like, Jaden's last movie

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I'm talking about Will's future and you're bringing up Jaden's past box office hit as if its relevant.

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Will is okay.
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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"

Movie stars usually keep their overseas appeal long after their domestic appeal has faded.

>Movie stars usually keep their overseas appeal long after
>their domestic appeal has faded.

MIB3 made 600 million worldwide

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by critic and average viewer alike

i had no interest in seeing it before but now i kinda want to

this'll be a character building experience for jaden

fuckin kids been having a charmed life

>this'll be a character building experience for jaden
>
>fuckin kids been having a charmed life

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If that is true then that changes this entire discussion

LMAO @ a "trend"

Even I was hyping this as a "comeback"

If MIB 3 really made 600 million world wide, I want
return my agenda for the full amount

"Comeback" my ass

This just a random blip type of flop

Rather than indicative of a "trend"

Don't get me wrong, seems like the critics are really going
at Will Smith personally for this for reasons that are obvious
to me...seems to be a concerted effort to chip at dude's
dynasty

But Jaden did 360 mil with Karate Kid

Will did 600 mil with MIB3

I had NO IDEA those flicks were that profitable

Definitely the discussion changes


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epic plea coppage

Honest question

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Some of these reviews make points that I agree with but I gotta be honest and say most people had their minds made up before even walking into their local theaters. I know it's M Night and people are sick of giving him a chance but this was an enjoyable and entertaining movie. Sure, he could have expounded a little on the back story and what not but I was still into it once Jaden took off. This dude lost out the gate and it's rough that this will likely be his last big time flick.

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/after-earth-plummets-to-mid-20-million-weekend-now-you-see-me-close-behind-1200490474/

Box Office: ‘After Earth’ Plummets to Mid-$20 Million Weekend, ‘Now You See Me’ Close Behind

UPDATE: M. Night Shyamalan and Sony’s “After Earth” is cratering at the domestic box office, with an estimated $10 million Friday and paltry $25 million-plus weekend, according to early estimates.

The $130 million film was expected to launch in the $35 million-$40 million range but those figures are long gone.

Summit/Lionsgate’s “Now You See Me” is trailing close behind with north of $20 million for the weekend, an impressive and somewhat surprising haul for the Jesse Eisenberg caper.

Universal’s “Fast & Furious 6,” meanwhile, will easily take the No. 1 position with an estimated $40 million in its second week of release.

************

In a surprising development, Summit’s “Now You See Me” earned $1.5 million Thursday night at the U.S. box office, beating director M. Night Shyamalan and Sony’s $1 million launch for “After Earth.”

“Now You See Me,” which cost nearly $75 million compared to “After Earth’s” estimated $130 million budget, opened at 7 p.m. Thursday night, while the Will Smith-Jaden Smith actioner bowed at 9 p.m.

Still, the numbers are a troubling sign for Sony and Shyamalan, who has been all but M.I.A. in the studio’s marketing campaign.

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Behold my works,ye mighty

This flick doing more worse than you and i predicted and our numbers were pretty grim.

The M. Night hate was gonna kill even if it was good

And the trailers looked terrible IMO expect for the one full length trailer, which looked decent at best.


Antother problem is this ain't really a summer movie. This should've dropped in March, April, September or October. Oblivion was more a summer movie than this.

had more of a supporting role in this one. I wonder if people picked up on this and realized they were going to buy a ticket to a Jaden movie.

First of all, LOLZ at releasing it during summer blockbuster time.

Yeah, Jaden did great with the Karate Kid remake, but he can't compare to the torrential downpour of summer hype and sequels...PARTICULARLY since those actionners like Iron Man are already family friendly.

If they had a few scenes with some generic hammy Will Smith jokey lines, etc, people would have believed they had a real blockbuster on their hands worth of their summer air conditioning movie dollar. But the trailers just made everything look boring with no sense of danger. It looked like a CGI National Geographic movie.

>First of all, LOLZ at releasing it during summer blockbuster
>time.

Yea this shit is not a summer movie at all and that's its main problem.

>
>Yeah, Jaden did great with the Karate Kid remake, but he can't
>compare to the torrential downpour of summer hype and
>sequels...PARTICULARLY since those actioners like Iron Man
>are already family friendly.

KK remake did great cause of the mostly positive reviews and I think parents wanted to introduce the KK brand to their kids aka nostalgia.

>
>If they had a few scenes with some generic hammy Will Smith
>jokey lines, etc, people would have believed they had a real
>blockbuster on their hands worth of their summer air
>conditioning movie dollar. But the trailers just made
>everything look boring with no sense of danger. It looked
>like a CGI National Geographic movie.
>

That's what I'm saying. We all knew these cats were in no real danger in this flick cause Smiths don't die and always come out on top. Add to that the trailers made it look like a futuristic Planet Earth minus the beauty.

yeah, bad comparison

Will did 600 mil his last film

This is just an honest flop

It happens

I think the personal nature of the reviews, niggas
re-examining the meaning of nepotism and film theory,
taking personal shots at Will's morality and all that
don't help the cause

It'd be fine if niggas just said they didn't like it

Niggas using this film to say everything bad about
hollywood,

I got niggas in here crying about Will Smith being
"inconsistent," talking about how Daniel Day Lewis is
better

he said the marketing was awful for what the movie was, he didn't really criticize the Smiths at all.

I'm not defending Will Smith, funny man

I'm saying that given the Smith's recent
success, not sure the marketing was that bad

Just think it flopped cuz it flopped

it happens

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>he said the marketing was awful for what the movie was, he
>didn't really criticize the Smiths at all.

To regular folk. To the brothers and sisters who just like to go to the show and watch a good movie. It's the weekend. You have a date. You want to take your lady to the show. You and your girls wanna check out a movie this weekend. Whatever your scenario looks like. No pretentiousness and no uppity "i'm in film school, so I know more than you" crap. No using unnecessary big words to establish an authoritative tone. No making you think the critic sees, hear, and know something you don't.

After Earth was a good movie. It's not a summer action blockbuster movie, but it was good. I say that because there wasn't an overwhelming level of action and loud sounds, but there was definitely some action.

Will and Jaden both do a good job. There are enough interesting things in this movie to keep you entertained and involved. There is a nice story in the movie, and there are good moments of suspense. There's nice eye candy, between the landscapes, the lush greens, and the very attractive characters in the movie, it all looks very good.

It's a nice date movie as well as a movie young people can go watch. It's a nice combination of a father and son's relationship, as well as an infusion of action. There is no romantic Love story, but there is a familial love story. If you're expecting the summer Will Smith blockbuster action movie, this isn't it. But, it's a good movie to see and watch. It has a gentle and a rough side, and it's worth the watch.

...........I'm Gone! Hollaaaaa!

I'll see it (on DVD) because of this! Thanks.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

http://variety.com/2013/film/news/now-you-see-me-pulls-28-mil-plus-rabbit-beating-after-earth-with-27-mil-1200491051/

‘Now You See Me’ Pulls $28 Mil-Plus Rabbit, Beating ‘After Earth’ With $27 Mil

In an unexpected box office showdown, Liongsate-Summit’s magic-themed thriller “Now You See Me” grossed an estimated $28.1 million, trouncing Sony’s post-apocalyptic Will Smith starrer “After Earth,” which estimated $27 million in three days. Neither film, however, managed to beat Universal holdover “Fast and Furious 6,” collecting $34.5 million.

“Fast 6,” which had another massive weekend overseas estimating $75 million, reached $480.6 million worldwide, including $170.4 million Stateside.

The Universal blockbuster had little competition internationally as Sony bowed “After Earth” only in one day-and-date territory — South Korea. It was a strategic move that certainly didn’t help the studio’s publicity efforts this weekend, since the $100 million-plus pic relies now on overseas grosses from becoming an all-out disaster.

“Certainly we would have liked to have done more,” said Sony distribution chief Rory Bruer. “But this was always going to be a worldwide play.”

“After Earth” bows throughout most of the international market place next weekend.

The head-to-head battle between “After Earth” and “Now You See Me” — which some studios have the former pic winning, by the way — wasn’t a complete shock, even though “After Earth” definitely had the edge in pre-weekend tracking. The Lionsgate film actually caught up to “After Earth” in advanced ticket sales by late last week.

Regardless, the $28.1 million domestic puts “Now You See Me” on solid footing financially as it cost just $75 million, for which Lionsgate is responsible for only 2/3 after foreign pre-sales and licensing.

At the specialty box office, Fox Searchlight’s cult thriller “The East” scored a solid — though not shining — per-screen average of $18,889 from four theaters in New York and L.A. Meanwhile, CBS Films’ coming-of-ager “The Kings of Summer” averaged $14,500 per screen this weekend, also from four locations.

It isn't a masterpiece but it isn't the worst flick ever.

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Every single critic could think a movie was just below the threshold to give it a fresh rating and that movie would have 0 percent.

Metacritic, which is based on a 1-10 scale has it at 32, though. So I guess there were still a lot of critics that really didn't like it, but still twice as high as the tomatometer score.

for L.night's after birth. one director had enough sense not to let big willie rewrite his masterpiece into a vanity project. the other director just took a $150 million budget and the biggest movie star on the planet, and opened third behind jesse eisenberg and isla fisher. #agendafail #lifefail #OEandbasalost

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.

Did that role really help Jamie's career much?

he is a solid actor. I am quite sure he wishes he was being offered better scripts. I am sure a lot of actors are probably wishing the same thing.

>for L.night's after birth. one director had enough sense not
>to let big willie rewrite his masterpiece into a vanity
>project. the other director just took a $150 million budget
>and the biggest movie star on the planet, and opened third
>behind jesse eisenberg and isla fisher. #agendafail #lifefail
>#OEandbasalost

He passed on Django for MIB3. Still a major L though.

>He passed on Django for MIB3. Still a major L though.

Is this true!?!?!?

If so bwahahaahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahhah


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Bwahahahhahahahahhaha


LLLLLLLLL


Virulent L nigga





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will smith is the biggest movie star on the planet. nobody's disputing that. nothing's changed. this is about tarantino versus L.night-- two breakout directors from the '90s. one has hit his stride and is headed to legend status, the other has developed into a consistent perennial hack who has lost all credibility and is on his way to sweeping another razzies.

you and your boy lost back-to-back about as hard as any PTP agendas ever have or ever will in both the django post and this one. there's no way to spin it. go ahead and keep tap dancing though. talk about how much the last jazzy jeff and the fresh prince album sold. maybe there's some other low reading comprehension niggas like yourself who might clap to it.

He chose MIB 3 OVER DJANGO YOU DEFORMED HOOK HEAD
UNEVEN HAIRLINE HAVING ASS NIGGAA!!!!!

And MIB 3 MADE 200 MILLY MORE at the B.O.!!!!!

Not to mention the MI trilogy making in the BILLIONS
of DOLLARS

Bwahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha
hahahahahahhhhahahahahahhahah


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Dude is only about the money not quality. Men in Black 2 and 3 were shit. He makin his money just like Adam Sandler, both big box office on awful movies.

>Dude is only about the money not quality. Men in Black 2 and
>3 were shit.

MIB3 was not shit, but go on

He makin his money just like Adam Sandler, both
>big box office on awful movies.

Yeah, you mad

Real, real mad

Throwing in Adam Sandler don't hide it bro

Django would have been a terrible decision at this time,
as he's still about his family movies, positioning himself
as a family man in hollywood, and still about that paper

He's producing the ANNIE remake, doesn't need his name attached
to Django's violence, controversy and fuckery

An After Earth FLOP is better than a gore and profanity fest
of any kind

Plus he got MORE PAPER on MIB3




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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egezc5l25nM

YOU came in here and got FUCKED UP

Bwahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahhha
hahahahahahhhhahahahahahhahahahahahahha

Django over MIB3 would have been a TERRIBLE decision
for about a thousand reasons

You should have NEVER even discussed it

You opened this can of works and got FUCKED UP

This post is a VIRULENT FUCK YOU to your existence


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they both agreed it wasnt the right fit
and MIB killed at the BO

Will needed to do more than frown, sit around and press panels and look at screens. It's time for Serious Will to sit on the bench for a minute; he needs to quit bullshitting and get on that Uptown Saturday Night remake.

And Jaden can't carry a movie yet. He had Taraji and Jackie Chan helping the last time out, so no.

The pictures were pretty, though. And I loved the shot/scene where Jaden first wakes up after the crash, and the door flap keeps opening and closing. Built up a nice tension that the rest of the movie lacked.

And I refuse to shed a tear for any of these multi-million dollar motherfuckers because this movie failed. The Smiths will be straight. They run Sony. And Shyamalan's got a midseason show coming on Fox, so it would be dumb to say that he's "done."

The movie wasn't that good, and all of this shit is stupid.

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i can't disagree with any of this

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

This is really bad for a Will Smith movie. Not even his name could save this bomb that is linked to M. Night. The film cost over $130 million to make, so this a major failure...

On The Lookout 4:
some new music. WTF is going on this year?

PTP flops have always been defined as domestic box office << budget. People here were boasting about how there was no chance this movie would flop domestically, no way it wouldn't fail to crack 100 million and probably make 200 million, that Jaden would stun us all.

Now that it's a brick, people are starting to talk about worldwide gross.

>PTP flops have always been defined as domestic box office <<
>budget. People here were boasting about how there was no
>chance this movie would flop domestically, no way it wouldn't
>fail to crack 100 million and probably make 200 million, that
>Jaden would stun us all.
>
>Now that it's a brick, people are starting to talk about
>worldwide gross.

Ummmmm

So overseas money isn't money?

That money can't be counted, traded, spent, invested?

I'm confused

Explain to me why the dollars earned from ticket sales
overseas are different

maybe I ain't pay attention in econ class or some shit

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Even domestically, they only make 100% of the opening box office, or maybe weeks 1 and 2 if it's a big film, but after that they start splitting the grosses. Plus, overseas is doubly taxed since you get taxed by that country AND the US. That's why Madea Goes to Jail can make a fraction of what MIB 3 made yet still be more profitable.

MIB III got itself out of the major hole that the domestic take (or lack thereof) put it in but it wasn't nearly as profitable for the studio as your "IT MADE 600 MILLION" seems to think. It finally did break even but it was a disappointment for what was supposed to be Will Smith's safe bet. Now that After Earth has put a studio in another hole, there's going to be extra attention given to Will's domestic box office because studios don't want to rely on overseas unless there's a huge profit to be made.

The bottom line is that if you don't think that MIB 3 and After Earth have put a dent on Will Smith's image as box office guarantee, you're blinded by your own agenda. I'm not saying that there aren't anti-Will people who are just as bad but you just aren't looking at the facts for what they are.

Dude is coming off of a billion dollar movie that was a flop here in the states. One bad indie and the mess that was Dark Shadows later and his name isn't getting the financing needed to pay his rate, which is why he dropped out of Black Mass. And if Lone Ranger tanks,he will have no choice but go back to Pirates 5 if he wants to see his current paycheck. Now Will was a bigger star than Depp and will get more wiggle room but there is no denying that two disappointing domestic takes in a row will get people eying his next time out.
People saying he is done are idiots but he is not bulletproof and after earth puts a lot of pressure on his next flick.

You're gonna abandon this logic the second we ain't
in a Will Smith hate post

If you stay consistent, you have a fan in the Orbster

But you won't


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As in, foreign dollars don't matter?

Word?

Since when?

Been in a fancy library all morning trying to figure
out how that works

OH! FOUND IT!!!

Apparently foreign dollars only don't matter when discussing
Will Smith

Every other time, they work just fine

Just like Scientology and nepotism are fair game for
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i gotta wait and see

They are SO HYPED UP they got BASIC facts wrong and making
shit up out of THIN air:

- "Will turned down Django for After Earth"

- "Jaden never been in a blockbuster"

- "Foreign dollars are irrelevant when discussing
box office success"



http://tinyurl.com/99juuz6



Ba, they in here rewriting BASIC FACTS of the universe
and galaxy....BASIC FACTS


I'm not letting up....they gonna feel the pain

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You were hyping this shit and it was a brick.

So do foreign dollars not count as dollars?

What's the explanation for that?

And how was Will Smith passing up 'Django' for 'After Earth'
a bad idea when he passed up 'Django' for 'MIB3' which made
600 mil worldwide?

And how is Jaden not a star when he did 360 million
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Django's another good example of box office nonsense since people say it's Taratino's biggest box office smash but that's just based off of the box office take and not the actual profit. It might actually be one of Tarantino's least profitable films and there's no way it comes close to making the money that Pulp Fiction did. Yes, it's Tarantino's highest grossing film but it's also his most expensive and his most marketed.

Still, the movie made money in both domestic and foreign markets and might actually have been more profitable than MIB 3 despite the fact that it made 200 million less overall.

That being said, I never co-signed the Django posts and think that whole line of argument is idiotic and from people who are just as blinded by their Anti-Will agenda as you are by your Pro-WIll movement.

As for Jaden, I don't think I've ever said he isn't a star. But you have to be able to recognize that his starring in an original film alongside his dad and tanking isn't good for his "star". You and Basa were talking about how much the millenials were going to shock the world and you were proven wrong. This isn't to say Jaden can't easily right the ship but this is a knock against him. Acting like it isn't or that this won't hurt him at all is just being willfully ignorant. (no pun intended)

You really are a genius!!!

>You really are a genius!!!

i hope you're serious

rough tuesday, need the self esteem boost

thanks bro

pound me up bro

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Feel free to mention somebody else who you saw on Real Time with Bill Maher some other time though. Maybe Spidey or some other mouth-breather will find it impressive.

But, seriously, where does After Earth rank in M. Night's "catalog?"

Don't you realize that something with an actual vagina
might read these posts?

You're not helping me out


>Feel free to mention somebody else who you saw on Real Time
>with Bill Maher some other time though. Maybe Spidey or some
>other mouth-breather will find it impressive.

FUCK

Alright, I'll just quote 'Of Vice and Den' next time

That better?


>But, seriously, where does After Earth rank in M. Night's
>"catalog?"

I kinda liked it, actually

Somewhere in the middle, I suppose, don't care

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Be honest.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/after-earth-will-smith-love-letter-to-scientology.html


Will Smith has never spoken openly of his connections to the Church of Scientology, but they are well documented. Whether or not Smith is a devout member or simply curious about this Hollywood faith, he has visible ties to the group. In 2007, he donated $122,500 to several Scientology rehabilitation organizations. Two years later, he and wife Jada Pinkett Smith opened California's New Village Leadership Academy, a private school founded on the teachings of Scientology creator L. Ron Hubbard. Yet to this day, when asked about his own involvement, Smith suggests close friend Tom Cruise introduced him to the practices of Scientology, but that he's not a member. He's simply a "student of world religion."

The clearest evidence of Smith's investment in Scientology might be his newest blockbuster film — this weekend’s After Earth. Based on a story by Smith (and a script by Gary Whitta and director M. Night Shyamalan), the film is a father-son adventure that teams the superstar with his wunderkind offspring Jaden. Together, they traverse the dangerous landscapes of a creature-ridden future Earth. Surprisingly, what's been advertised as an Avatar remix plays out more like Battlefield Earth, another film that hews to the tropes of a science-fiction epic — just like Hubbard's doctrines for Scientology. Here’s how the film parallels the faith’s teachings:


(yall can click the link for the rest tl:dr after this frankly)


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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

If Will Smith really was a Scienologist, the church leaders would have him screaming "I'm a Scientologist" in any and every interview he does.

So who's going to hand MNS another big budget after this? I would have thought Airbender would have been the end of that but here we go again.

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/smiths-earth-apocalypse-loses-most-050000749.html

This story first appeared in the June 14 issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine.
The danger turned out to be very real as Sony Pictures' After Earth crashed at the box office in third place, the first time in two decades that a summer event film starring Will Smith failed to open at No. 1.
PHOTOS: 30 Groundbreaking Sci-Fi Films

Given the low $27.5 million domestic bow and 12 percent Rotten Tomatoes score, top executives at several rival studios estimate that if the film doesn't score big overseas, it could lose tens of millions. Sony insiders put the loss at about $20 million but rivals, not surprisingly, are guessing much higher. That puts a lot of pressure on the rest of Sony's summer, including Roland Emmerich's White House Down, Grown Ups 2, the comedy This Is the End, Smurfs 2 and Matt Damon's Elysium.
So who suffers most from the fallout? Competitors and talent representatives concur that faltering director M. Night Shyamalan will take the biggest hit, but Smith -- who conceived the project, produced it with wife Jada Pinkett Smith and cast son Jaden Smith as its co-star -- has the most to lose. Insiders agree that Smith's bulletproof image could be dinged by several factors:
PHOTOS: Hollywood Dynasties: Top 14 Movies Featuring Stars and Their Kids
► Lack of Focus: A source who has worked with the CAA-repped Smith -- arguably the world's most bankable star -- says he has been less attuned to his movie career recently. Nearly four years passed between Seven Pounds and last summer's Men in Black 3. "One thing you've got to do as an actor is portfolio management," says this person. "Will went through a place where he didn't do a lot of movies, and none has been great." The bottom line: "He could still be highly successful, but it was automatic before. Now audiences will look more carefully."
► Off-Message Media: Smith, 44, and his 14-year-old son gave a joint interview to New York magazine that one prominent producer describes as "a jaw-dropper." Will Smith described himself as "a student of patterns," adding, "At heart, I'm a physicist." Even as the elder Smith described how visitors to his household would be surprised to find that it is "simple and basic," Jaden declared: "I like Cartier," noting "before that, it was Louis" (as in, Vuitton). And that type of coverage leads to …
► Less Fresh Prince and More Royal Prince: This began with buzz about Smith's behavior (and his gigantic trailer) during the making of MiB3. Says a prominent film exec who has worked with Smith: "That aw-shucks, incredibly charming, self-effacing spirit doesn't seem to play anymore. You can see it on talk shows. He's got that energy and positive attitude, but it doesn't have the same contagious quality." Another Smith associate believes such behavior takes a creative toll. "The control-freak stuff hits you," says this person. "You've got to listen to people. Movies don't do well when there's a hermetically sealed environment."
STORY: Could 'After Earth' End Will Smith's Box Office Domination?
► Family Issues: The Smith family's efforts to make stars of daughter Willow and Jaden might be too much, too soon. "The Barrymores got really close to what I see in my head for my family," Smith told the Associated Press. But execs and talent reps say making Jaden the lead in After Earth -- conceived as the first in a trilogy -- was a mistake. "What are you doing, putting your kid out there like that?" says a source. "Just because it's your DNA?"
► Scientology Taint: Smith has kept his links to the religion much quieter than has buddy Tom Cruise. But with After Earth, media reports and reviews, including The New York Times' pan of the film, described perceived Scientology themes. Smith told New York that he and his son are "students of world religion," but a prominent producer says After Earth "opened the door to this generally well-hidden Scientology."
► He's an Expensive Taste: No one is writing off Smith, though some say he will have to accept lower fees. "His deal is an absolute impediment to making money for the studios," says a source, adding that for MiB3, he collected about $100 million of its $624 million gross. Warner Bros. chief Jeff Robinov, who has Smith in the upcoming Winter's Tale and the in-development Focus, says he is "really confident about Will. We all have movies that don't work, but at the end of the day, Will is incredibly talented."
STORY: Box Office Report: Will Smith's 'After Earth' Loses to 'Now You See Me' in Major Misstep
► Shyamalan Fallout: He was damaged before After Earth; he left CAA for WME in 2011, apparently partly in response to CAA's efforts to dissuade Smith from hiring him. One source says Shyamalan will have to try "very, very small, under-$10 million movies" and "just try to rebuild."
► Sony's Damage: Most don't think After Earth will affect the thinking of the studio's parent, despite pressure by investor Dan Loeb to spin off assets. As for studio heads Michael Lynton and Amy Pascal, a producer calls After Earth "a justifiable decision," adding, "You're backing a relationship that's been hugely successful."
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After Earth
>-- conceived as the first in a trilogy -- was a mistake.

..don't get me wrong

the man obviously has talent. there are some areas in this film that show promise. unfortunately, it all falls apart.

the audio & visual aspect of this film is solid, but the script was very bland. the "stranded in unknown territory" desperation grew old very quickly. to make matters worse, the 3rd act wrapped so neatly that you'd think there was never a real sense of danger or dispare.

in the end, you walk away feeling cheated.

my suggestion for shyamalan: find someone else to finish your films.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

Kimmel made a little comment that AE tanked...Will awkwardly laughed it off for literally 10 seconds then they switched the subject, lol.

>Kimmel made a little comment that AE tanked...Will awkwardly
>laughed it off for literally 10 seconds then they switched the
>subject, lol.

actually, they had a convo about it and will made jokes about how he kept gettin' hourly updates about it.

will: uh oh

entire audience erupts in laughter

then they went on to talk about how this was the 1st blockbuster he's done in 5 yrs that stumbled out the gate. kimmel even asked will if he thought he was losin' his mojo.

that was far from a quick subject change



*skatin' the rings of saturn*

..and miles to go before i sleep...

Props to him for talking about it.

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Got CAUGHT BAD

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Manoj has elevated losing to an art form.

......no it still sucks, sorry

...for taking his box office shellacking like a man and not blaming the media for bringing him down. This latest "It wasn't that our movie wasn't that appealing" plea coppage is getting silly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x4qNdSM4dA

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x4qNdSM4dA

This was funny as hell. I also like the one they did for Skyfall. Skyfall was seriously overrated.

would have a whole lot better if Will were in the fight scenes on earth.

Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing

Bumpin in the STEREO:
Gladys Knight&The Pips
Janelle Monae-E.L.
George Duke-Feel
E.W.F.-NT&F
La La-Self titled

The movie has NO charm. Jada being rebellious teenager the whole film is some BS. They could have handled the transition to him being a bad ass a little sooner.

Also, we REALLY needed a little more Will.

Story was pretty good. Mythology was good, effects were good - the accents/dialog were problematic, tho.

Overall I'd give it a B-

to teach them to face their fears.

I normally can't pass a chance to hate....but this film is much better than y'all made it out to be.

D

some parts were a little campy, but meh it starred a teenager so that's kind of expected
love the way will is trying to cultivate jaden into a star with these roles though
looks like a missed a good agenda fest in this thread so i'll have to read through it later when i have time

LOL at "worse than Wild Wild West"

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/interviews/a9938/will-smith-interview-0315/

That was a valuable lesson for me a few years ago with After Earth. That was the most painful failure in my career.

SR: Worse than Wild Wild West?

WS: Wild Wild West was less painful than After Earth because my son was involved in After Earth and I led him into it. That was excruciating. What I learned from that failure is how you win. I got reinvigorated after the failure of After Earth. I stopped working for a year and a half. I had to dive into why it was so important for me to have number-one movies. And I never would have looked at myself in that way. I was a guy who, when I was fifteen my girlfriend cheated on me, and I decided that if I was number one, no woman would ever cheat on me. All I have to do is make sure that no one's ever better than me and I'll have the love that my heart yearns for. And I never released that and moved into a mature way of looking at the world and my artistry and love until the failure of After Earth, when I had to accept that it's not a good source of creation.

After Earth comes out, I get the box-office numbers on Monday and I was devastated for about twenty-four minutes, and then my phone rang and I found out my father had cancer. That put it in perspective—viciously. And I went right downstairs and got on the treadmill. And I was on the treadmill for about ninety minutes. And that Monday started the new phase of my life, a new concept: Only love is going to fill that hole. You can't win enough, you can't have enough money, you can't succeed enough. There is not enough. The only thing that will ever satiate that existential thirst is love. And I just remember that day I made the shift from wanting to be a winner to wanting to have the most powerful, deep, and beautiful relationships I could possibly have.