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101141, Let's discuss: CROUCHING TIGER/HERO/FLYING DAGGERS (RACISM) Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 11:41 AM
Just saw all three. Yep, 3 of the best films of the last decade and change. Don't be mad, its true.
How INFREQUENTLY they are mentioned and discussed is mostly racism combined with insecurity from ARTSY FARTSIES like y'all.
a) You artsy fartsies only like obscure Asian films. Those 3 movies were too big budget and popular for y'all, even though they are waaaaaay better than all these dumbass cult asian movies that y'all like:
"Samurai FLower by Katasahafasfdasfshi Mitsiabusishiyazki was riveting" (c) Average Okayplayer
Just stop.
b) Those movies had better special effects/more meaning/depth than any pure hollywood big budget movie of the last 10 years.
Chinese know how to do big budget and meaningful. We don't.
I mean, 'Hero' was so well made it made you sympathize with its (not so)hidden pro-Mao fascist message, for god's sakes. Its a fantastic fucking film. Masterpiece.
And I just saw MI:4 and visually its a snoozer compared to 'Hero'. Probably the most beautiful film I've ever seen in a theater.
White people: You cannot direct as well as the Chinese. First it was math. Now its film. Get over it.
Oh, and the the remake of 'Karate Kid' was a Chinese production as well. Better than the American original <--it was, just stop, we already had this debate.
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101142, I don't know about this one Posted by BigReg, Wed Jan-18-12 11:57 AM
Crouching Tiger probably got the biggest push for a foreign language movie ive seen in my lifetime. Hero & Flying Daggers were also heavily advertised(didn't have that oscar push tho like Tiger did which kept those commercials on the air for like three months). The problem is that after the initial critic hype they disappeared from all the lists.
Cinematography and acting wise the modern wuxia movies have been killing it but they still carry the 'kung fu film' burden...I ultimately think film critics subconsciously can't take it seriously even tho everything that makes a 'great' movie is there.
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101143, i agree Posted by lfresh, Wed Jan-18-12 12:04 PM
>Cinematography and acting wise the modern wuxia movies have >been killing it but they still carry the 'kung fu film' >burden...I ultimately think film critics subconsciously can't >take it seriously even tho everything that makes a 'great' >movie is there.
its like the anime/cartoon block
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101144, Nah, white people reluctantly gave in Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 04:48 PM
Because Crouching Tiger took a piss on everything else they were doing
But they were trying the whole "Kung Fu movie" angle right away, which is 'cism, when you consider that lots of superficial dumbass white movies been praised forever
I'd get a little less mad, and then try responding again, because you're vision is clouded
Appreciate it, chief
Hit me up when you're ready, no homo
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101145, Don't remember Flying Daggers... Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jan-18-12 02:57 PM
But Crouching Tiger and Hero were both almost universally praised on here and in 'real life'.
You don't have a tree to stand on here, dude.
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101146, Yup. More bullshit OE straw man stuff. Posted by bignick, Wed Jan-18-12 03:12 PM
>But Crouching Tiger and Hero were both almost universally >praised on here and in 'real life'. > >You don't have a tree to stand on here, dude.
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101147, No reason to be mad. Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 04:45 PM
The responses are proof I'm struck a nerve
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101148, Nobody's mad. You're just wrong. Posted by bignick, Wed Jan-18-12 06:39 PM
> >The responses are proof I'm struck a nerve > > > > >---------------------------- > >Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it >you? http://MatchShannon.com/ > > > > > > > >O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain" > > > > >"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..." > >(C)Keith Murray, "
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101149, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Posted by WarriorPoet415, Fri Jan-20-12 10:43 AM
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101150, great movies... still your premise is wack.. take it to activist. Posted by PG, Wed Jan-18-12 03:09 PM
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101151, Why don't you take these nuts to china, no homo Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 04:45 PM
No reason to be upset
Just discuss with a black schola
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101152, just cause folks got a backpack full of crap and a hate on for pop.... Posted by PG, Thu Jan-19-12 06:00 PM
doesn't make it racist.
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101153, All three are pretty much universally praised. Prove otherwise. Posted by The Analyst, Wed Jan-18-12 03:24 PM
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101154, Your sex change is universally praised. Prove otherwise. Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 04:46 PM
Again: Anger isn't going to make life easier on you.
Try a different approach to life.
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101155, Oh shit! You got me! Posted by The Analyst, Wed Jan-18-12 04:55 PM
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101156, Honestly: You sound mad Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 05:13 PM
Oooh susanna.
Oh don't you cry for me
I am Orbit_Established
Oh, don't be made at thee
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101157, Metacritic scores: Crouching Tiger: 93(!) - Hero: 84 - Daggers: 89 Posted by The Analyst, Wed Jan-18-12 05:00 PM
Oh yeah, and CTHD won four Oscars including cinematography, art direction, and score (and was nominated for best director and best picture). Wreaks of 'cism if you ask me.
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101158, LOL. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed. Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 05:12 PM
>Oh yeah, and CTHD won four Oscars including cinematography, >art direction, and score (and was nominated for best director >and best picture). Wreaks of 'cism if you ask me.
LOL.
You're proving my point, dumbass.
I'm talking its LEGACY and how its AGED. Listing its awards bolsters my central point.
Don't nobody talk about those films. Those films should have revolutionized everything about film.
Those films basically solved the puzzle of how you make big budget fancy shit that is good.
Left no legacy because white people don't want to hear that shit. Period.
They still bankroll Michael Bay movies, which don't look as good as the Chinese movies *and* suck rabbit dick.
*two points for Orbit*
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101159, They still bankroll Ang Lee movies too, bud. Posted by The Analyst, Wed Jan-18-12 08:46 PM
You act like dude was banished from Hollywood and written out of the history books.. In the decade following Crouching Tiger, he made a comic book action movie, a serious drama, a comedy about Woodstock, and has Life of Pi coming out this year. He's been nominated for Best Director oscars twice in the last 10 years.
Congratulations - you found a blog that said Crouching Tiger was overrated. I found one that said it's the second best foreign film of its decade: http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2009/06/the-25-must-see-foreign-films-since-2000.html
It's legacy is a strong one. To this day people still consider it a masterpiece.
You're making up shit. And...dare I say...mad?
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101160, LMAO!!! ^^^Orbit just REVERSE SLAMMED this nigga already Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 08:53 PM
>You act like dude was banished from Hollywood and written out >of the history books..
^^^^SEE THAT, FOLKS. Strawman LIE right off the bat.
You guys make it too easy on me. I mean, you're not even going to fucking TRY, are you?
Relax.
Breathe.
Hell, take a WARM (not hot) shower.
Then sit down at the keyboard and give this another stab, because you're mad stinky with it right now.
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101161, RE: Nope! Back-rimmed it. Posted by The Analyst, Wed Jan-18-12 10:10 PM
>>You act like dude was banished from Hollywood and written >out >>of the history books.. > > >^^^^SEE THAT, FOLKS. Strawman LIE right off the bat. >
What was the point of bitching that they still bankroll Michael Bay movies if it wasn't to imply that they DON'T still bankroll Ang Lee movies? If that wasn't the point of comparison, what was?
The bottom line is, the vast majority of people still hold those movies in high regard, including OKPs, the Bohoes you bitched about in that Help post that flopped and sank like lead, latte-sipping critics, and Hollywood at Large.
Go take a warm (not hot) bubble bath, son.
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101162, Post 34 Just FARTED in your DINNER Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:16 AM
GODDAMN
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101163, ah, hero... Posted by cereffusion, Wed Jan-18-12 03:33 PM
state propaganda at its finest
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101164, Beyond Hollywood: Crouching Tiger most overrated film of 2000-2009 Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 05:20 PM
This one is from an insecure okayplayer-type
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/top-10-overrated-genre-films-of-2000-2010/
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101165, An hour and a half into "Crouching Tiger", a woman behind me... Posted by Walleye, Wed Jan-18-12 05:29 PM
... complained about the subtitles. Ninety minutes in, she's like "when are they going to start speaking English?"
One of my favorite in-theater moments ever.
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101166, Hi Walleye. Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 05:34 PM
How's it going?
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101167, Pretty weird Posted by Walleye, Wed Jan-18-12 06:02 PM
I'm trying to get out of Tennessee by this summer (not including a short stint I'm doing in Iowa in April) and it's been more time consuming than I expected. I'm pretty comfortable with the conclusion that my skill set is not highly sought-after, but I walk around town with a permanent "somebody farted" look because people here seem literally unaware of existence of the few things I'm good at. That's just not a good way to be, at least not daily.
Ideally, we're DC-bound after this.
I liked "Hero" and "Crouching Tiger" quite a bit, but don't really have any base of knowledge about how they were received here and elsewhere. Though I did see the latter at a theater at the Mall of America, which makes it one of maybe less than a half-dozen subtitled movies I've seen in a big, fat movie theater and not someplace artsy that makes me look smart. But that's not really what you're asking.
How're you doing? How is Boston treating you?
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101168, I hear that. Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jan-18-12 06:49 PM
>I'm trying to get out of Tennessee by this summer (not >including a short stint I'm doing in Iowa in April) and it's >been more time consuming than I expected. I'm pretty >comfortable with the conclusion that my skill set is not >highly sought-after, but I walk around town with a permanent >"somebody farted" look because people here seem literally >unaware of existence of the few things I'm good at. That's >just not a good way to be, at least not daily.
Yeah, I know what that's like. When I feel similarly I take the delusional asshole route.....of the "I'm ahead of my time" variety. Juvenile but it builds a nice cushion around the self esteem, which is probably the most precious thing we have next to our health and sanity.
Strangely, my problem recently has been the opposite:
I don't actually feel very good at anything. This is sometimes dictated by how others treat me, but often not. Its mostly the product of self-reflection independent of what the world thinks.
I'm not sure how to resolve the conflict of which I'd rather be:
- Obviously talented but undervalued
- Good at nothing, but well-compensated and comfortable
I don't think I qualify as either but my current struggles reflect some aspects of that debate.
>Ideally, we're DC-bound after this.
Fantastic. Like a second home to me. I have a friend who owns a great restaurant there, you and your wife would probably dig it. Let me know when you go.
>I liked "Hero" and "Crouching Tiger" quite a bit, but don't >really have any base of knowledge about how they were received >here and elsewhere. Though I did see the latter at a theater >at the Mall of America, which makes it one of maybe less than >a half-dozen subtitled movies I've seen in a big, fat movie >theater and not someplace artsy that makes me look smart. But >that's not really what you're asking.
Lol
>How're you doing? How is Boston treating you?
Actually, quite good. My roommate is weird but not strange. (as you can imagine, I've thought quite a bit about the difference)
I like my neighborhood. I've concluded that Boston is definitely not a good city for black men under 25, which is where it gets a bad name from my demographic. For grownups of all hues, its nice because it does calm things very well. It does bars well. It does bar food VERY well. It does live music well. It does coffee very well. I don't have the energy or patience to do anything but the above for leisure and so its a perfect fit.
Work has been slow to get off the ground but I see progress ahead (as in, I see how much harder I have to work to make the progress, not so much that I just see the progress....which is infinitely better than not knowing what to do to even be marginally incompetent)
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101169, RE: I hear that. Posted by Walleye, Wed Jan-18-12 09:17 PM
>I don't actually feel very good at anything. This is >sometimes dictated by how others treat me, but often not. >Its mostly the product of self-reflection independent >of what the world thinks.
I mean, it makes sense. The internal process of trying to do a job well or just to be good isn't really that pretty on a daily basis. People who aren't their own worst critic are kind of suspicious.
>Fantastic. Like a second home to me. I have a friend who >owns a great restaurant there, you and your wife would >probably dig it. Let me know when you go.
I will do that. Thank you.
>Actually, quite good. My roommate is weird but not strange. >(as you can imagine, I've thought quite a bit about the >difference)
I have a guess, but it's not a good one without specificity.
>I like my neighborhood. I've concluded that Boston is >definitely >not a good city for black men under 25, which is where it >gets >a bad name from my demographic. For grownups of all hues, its >nice because it does calm things very well. It does bars >well. >It does bar food VERY well. It does live music well. It does >coffee very well. I don't have the energy or patience to do >anything but the above for leisure and so its a perfect fit.
I rather like this distinction, and I really like the age-25 marker. It makes me like my gradually narrowing social life is now 8 years normal. You've made my evening with this.
>Work has been slow to get off the ground but I see progress >ahead (as in, I see how much harder I have to work to make >the progress, not so much that I just see the >progress....which >is infinitely better than not knowing what to do to even be >marginally incompetent)
Everybody I know who's ever expressed this has always been profoundly good at their job. It's the new-ish job problem.
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101170, Um, hit an inbox about that restaurant, fam. Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jan-18-12 10:37 PM
I'm in DC for only another six to eight months, and I'm trying to hit all of the best spots before heading West.
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101171, Done. n/m Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:22 AM
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101172, RE: I hear that. Posted by Beamer6178, Thu Jan-19-12 11:23 AM
>Fantastic. Like a second home to me. I have a friend who >owns a great restaurant there, you and your wife would >probably dig it. Let me know when you go.
ditto on the restaurant name fam, i live here.
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101173, Done. n/m Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:38 AM
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101174, you make arguments out of absolutely nothing. Posted by s_dot_miles, Wed Jan-18-12 11:22 PM
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101175, You get mad out of absolutely nothing. Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 10:03 AM
why?
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101176, hero was a fluffed up propaganda film Posted by Bruce Belafonte, Wed Jan-18-12 11:27 PM
that came out a pretty piece of shit.
it was better when i didn't have subtitles.
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101177, ^'Cism. Proves the point. Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 10:04 AM
I rest my case.
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101178, Cism? how? Posted by Bruce Belafonte, Sun Jan-22-12 02:05 AM
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101179, To call 'Hero' a fluffed up propaganda film is mad direspectful Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Jan-22-12 09:23 AM
You ain't got to like the message, but it was beautifully made and the proper of some master filmmaking
Name some of your favorite movies. Watch me shit all over the political messages in those.
Go!
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101180, uhh...everybody loved Crouching Tiger Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jan-19-12 03:35 AM
Hero sucked and House of Flying Daggers was dope as shit until the ending.
do you practice these arguments in the mirror to convince yourself that you actually have something to battle against?
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101181, No, they didn't Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 10:05 AM
>Hero sucked
LOL
Wrong
>and House of Flying Daggers was dope as shit until the >ending.
LOL
Wrong
>do you practice these arguments in the mirror to convince >yourself that you actually have something to battle against?
No, but I do look forward to making niggas mad
I mean, you're consistently one of the worst posters on multiple boards...I'd watch my back if I was you
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101182, yes they did Posted by Nodima, Mon Jan-23-12 07:08 PM
~~~~~~~~~ "This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas
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101183, Honestly Posted by Orbit_Established, Mon Jan-23-12 10:07 PM
No reason to be mad.
None at all.
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101184, so why you mad then? Posted by Nodima, Mon Jan-23-12 11:06 PM
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101185, : - ( Posted by Orbit_Established, Mon Jan-23-12 11:32 PM
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101186, check out Curse of the Golden Flower Posted by soundsop, Thu Jan-19-12 11:00 AM
slower paced but really beautiful movie
same director as hero and flying daggers. Thematically, definitely not interpretable as pro-authoritarian (unlike hero)
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101187, I thought The Promise was pretty good as well but got bad reviews Posted by jigga, Thu Jan-19-12 11:36 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417976/
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101188, I agree (he's talking about legacy guys, not reviews at the time) Posted by pretentious username, Thu Jan-19-12 11:01 AM
Out of those three I've only seen Crouching Tiger, but I'm tempted to extend this to foreign films in general. It's as if when they come out people say "Hey! You gotta watch this! Nobody is doing stuff like this in America! It's real innovative!" and everybody loves it when it first comes out, but then when we're discussing legacy/best of the decade/all-time lists it's tough for some people to place them (myself included). Maybe award shows and such have ingrained in us that these are great FOREIGN films, not simply great films, so we can't think of them outside of that category. This doesn't apply to everybody mind you, and I don't blame PTP artsy fartsies, but I personally just expect more love for these films at the end of the decade or on all-time lists than they get.
I've actually thought this about Pan's Labyrinth for a while. I personally didn't connect with the film, but for the hype it got when it came out I would've expected it to be on more end of decade lists, or maybe just higher on the lists it was on . It didn't seem like Let the Right One In (one of my favorites of the decade) was included on any, and that film was fantastic. But Crouching Tiger probably took the biggest drop, it's barely even mentioned today. To a degree I think it's tougher for films that come out at the beginning of the decade, but I still would've expected more love.
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101189, ^^^^GOOOOODAAAAAAAMMN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:14 AM
>Out of those three I've only seen Crouching Tiger, but I'm >tempted to extend this to foreign films in general. It's as if >when they come out people say "Hey! You gotta watch this! >Nobody is doing stuff like this in America! It's real >innovative!" and everybody loves it when it first comes out, >but then when we're discussing legacy/best of the >decade/all-time lists it's tough for some people to place them >(myself included). Maybe award shows and such have ingrained >in us that these are great FOREIGN films, not simply great >films, so we can't think of them outside of that category. >This doesn't apply to everybody mind you, and I don't blame >PTP artsy fartsies, but I personally just expect more love for >these films at the end of the decade or on all-time lists than >they get. > >I've actually thought this about Pan's Labyrinth for a while. >I personally didn't connect with the film, but for the hype it >got when it came out I would've expected it to be on more end >of decade lists, or maybe just higher on the lists it was on . >It didn't seem like Let the Right One In (one of my favorites >of the decade) was included on any, and that film was >fantastic. But Crouching Tiger probably took the biggest drop, >it's barely even mentioned today. To a degree I think it's >tougher for films that come out at the beginning of the >decade, but I still would've expected more love.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOOOOOOD, GIMME A HUG, WHITEBOY
You in the Bean??? COME HAVE A BEEEER WITH a NIGGA so I can give you a HUUUUUGGGGGG
(sike, naw, but you basically understood my exact point)
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101190, lol Posted by pretentious username, Thu Jan-19-12 11:30 AM
I've been meaning to inbox you my upcoming performances. Got some good ones coming up. I'll try to get on that today, but I've been lazy in updating my site so I can't just do a copy/paste.
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101191, Yeah, like I said: Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:37 AM
>I've been meaning to inbox you my upcoming performances. Got >some good ones coming up. I'll try to get on that today, but >I've been lazy in updating my site so I can't just do a >copy/paste.
BOTH the New England (Boston) and New York performances.
I really do wanna support you + live comedy is one of my favorite things to do. For all our bickering you seem like a decent guy.
Now that we got that outta the way: Welker still overrated and Manny >>> better than every red sox since Teddy. Mad?
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101192, Shoot me those dates too. I'm hitting up Boston soon. Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jan-19-12 11:44 AM
Probably in the next couple of months. I have a few vacations to visit folks in the Northeast I know before heading West, and I'd love to take in a show.
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101193, Let me know when you're gonna be there biatch Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 03:55 PM
>Probably in the next couple of months. I have a few vacations >to visit folks in the Northeast I know before heading West, >and I'd love to take in a show.
n/m
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101194, Will do. Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jan-19-12 05:54 PM
Eyeballing March, I believe.
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101195, Hero's still in my top 5 all time Posted by jigga, Thu Jan-19-12 11:39 AM
I liked CTHD but by the time Daggers released I was a bit worn out by that genre
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101196, Were you "worn out" by the Indiana Jones or Lord of the Rings genres? Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:44 AM
This is part of my argument:
People say they got "tired of those kind of movies" which is basically just racism.
We watch TRILOGIES all the time.
The Lord of the Rings movies were good, but they were long and tiresome too by the same definition
CTHD, Hero, FD were THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOVIES and people *still* say "Oh, I was tired of that shit by the the time Flying Daggers came out."
Really? People just need to say what they mean:
"I was tired of looking at Chinese people in long movies."
We can do it for white people. We can watch Michael J Fox. We can do it for Hobbits. We can do it for Harrison Ford.
But not Chinese people.
Its blatant racism.
Sorry.
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101197, Yep Posted by jigga, Thu Jan-19-12 11:53 AM
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101198, Not 'cism...MAYBE genre-ism, if anything...n/m Posted by The Analyst, Thu Jan-19-12 12:56 PM
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101199, LMAO @ y'all backtracking Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 01:08 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAH
Now you're willing to admit that the films do suffer from "genre-ism"
Uh, the genre is Chinese epics
We don't grow tired of all this Russell Crowe epic bullshit...nobody complains about white period pieces that we get ALLLLLL THE FUCKING TIME
3 EXCELLENT Chinese epics come and niggas are tired?
LMAO...LMAO...y'all just basically proved my point
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101200, It's all the wire fu stuff i was tired from fam Posted by jigga, Thu Jan-19-12 01:19 PM
Keep fightin that good cism fight tho
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101201, Translation: "Not really tryna watch slanted eyes for 8 hours" Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 01:23 PM
You guys walked right into a minefield
Shoulda been more thoughtful
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101202, Nigga Denzel could've been up on them shits & I wouldn't have watched Posted by jigga, Thu Jan-19-12 01:33 PM
My Korean girls know what's up & told me to tell you hush straw man schmuck
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101203, Denzel? You a homo? Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 01:38 PM
You coulda said "Paula Patton coulda been in there" and I would have gotten your point
All good, just didn't know you were like that
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101204, Damn son. Gay "jokes" now? Really? Yeah you're done here. Posted by jigga, Thu Jan-19-12 01:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCdkdFJY0ag
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101205, Nah, it was an honest question. Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 02:05 PM
*shrugs*
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101206, actually yes Posted by lfresh, Tue Jan-24-12 08:37 AM
LotR's for me
not the HoFD
Indians Jones was too paced out for me to be tired of it
although this next one... ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ You cannot hate people for their own good.
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101207, Compilation says Crouching #8, Daggers #149, Hero #226 of last decade Posted by Sponge, Thu Jan-19-12 01:05 PM
Those updated rankings (to account for critics' 2011 movie lists) are pulled from the They Shoot Pictures, Don't They? site which basically collects lists from predominantly white critics from movie criticism publications like Village Voice, Film Comment, Sight & Sound, indieWire, etc.... http://theyshootpictures.com/21stcentury_allfilms.htm ........ for what it's worth, on that same compiled list, Lord of the Rings:ROTK ranks 28th, Lord of the Rings:FOTR ranks 33rd, and LOTR:Two Towers ranks 57th.
Crouching has placed really well (higher than all 3 Lord of the Rings movies). Hero's rank is much worse than I thought it would be. I thought it would place higher than House of Flying Daggers.
OKPs did a movies of the decade poll in 2009 and only 18 OKPs participated but for shits and giggles:
Crouching ranked 12th with votes by 11 OKPs Hero ranked 46th with only 4 votes Daggers didn't make the top 60 and only appeared on 2 ballots
Crouching made Time Magazine's top 10 of the past decade along with the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Avatar, Wall-E, Slumdog, Moulin Rouge, etc., but I think only Time movie critics participated in that which is just a handful.
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101208, Point proven with this: Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 01:11 PM
>Crouching made Time Magazine's top 10 of the past decade along >with the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Avatar, Wall-E, Slumdog, >Moulin Rouge, etc., but I think only Time movie critics >participated in that which is just a handful.
So ALL 3 LORD OF THE RINGS MOVIES made the top 10, meaning people didn't get TIRED or weren't WORN OUT by a bunch of white elves and hobbits, but only ONE of the Chinese epics made it, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE FILMS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
LOL
RACISM
We don't get tired of white people in epics
But asians? No, we can only stand them once a decade, even if the movies are fucking great
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101209, You watched John Woo's Red Cliff (international version) yet? Posted by Sponge, Thu Jan-19-12 01:21 PM
That's another great big budget special effects spectacle.
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101210, ugh this reminds me to get to it yet again Posted by lfresh, Tue Jan-24-12 08:38 AM
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101211, LOL that doesn't prove your point! Too bad u can't erase old posts. Posted by The Analyst, Thu Jan-19-12 02:08 PM
POST 14. OE:
"I'm talking its LEGACY and how its AGED. Listing its awards bolsters my central point.
Don't nobody talk about those films. Those films should have revolutionized everything about film.
Left no legacy because white people don't want to hear that shit. Period."
It actually DIS-proves your point that people are no longer talking about those movies. Crouching Tiger ended up on fucking TIME magazine's TOP 10 FILMS OF THE DECADE, which included all genres and countries of origin. It has a strong legacy. It's aged well. People talk about them.
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101212, LOL. I just set traps and watch you walk right into them. LOL Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 02:13 PM
>It actually DIS-proves your point that people are no longer >talking about those movies. Crouching Tiger ended up on >fucking TIME magazine's TOP 10 FILMS OF THE DECADE, which >included all genres and countries of origin. It has a strong >legacy. It's aged well. People talk about them.
This is specifically why I mentioned the THREE OF THEM in my ORIGINAL POST, dumbass. I talked about them as a SERIES of epics.
As a SERIES they get shit on. That white people liked the FIRST ONE is proof: white people got TIRED of watching Asian epics...CTHD isn't even the best one of the 3...its only considered the best because it was FIRST.
My point is proven by HOW MUCH MORE HIGHLY REGARDED it is than the other two. It makes no sense. Its only regarded that way because white people weren't TIRED of it.
Note how white people DID NOT GET TIRED of the LOTR Trilogy. Note that they regarded the LAST ONE OF THE TRILOGY as the best. Why? Because the LOTR trilogy had white elves and hobbits and white people don't get tired of them like they do ACTUAL HUMAN Asians.
'RACISM.
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101213, RE: LOL. Try again. Posted by The Analyst, Thu Jan-19-12 04:54 PM
>As a SERIES they get shit on. That white people liked >the FIRST ONE is proof: white people got TIRED of >watching Asian epics...CTHD isn't even the best one of >the 3...its only considered the best because it was >FIRST. > >Note how white people DID NOT GET TIRED of the LOTR >Trilogy. Note that they regarded the LAST ONE OF THE >TRILOGY as the best. Why? Because the LOTR trilogy >had white elves and hobbits and white people don't get >tired of them like they do ACTUAL HUMAN Asians.
Note how white people (and every other kind of people) DID get tired of The Godfather trilogy, the Star Wars trilogy, the Back to the Future trilogy, the Matrix trilogy, the Saw series, the Jaws sequels, the Indiana Jones series, and the list goes on. Oh, and the FIRST in pretty much each of those cases is considered a CLASSIC (except for Saw.)
In each and every single one of those cases, the THIRD is considered the WORST, or in the case of Indiana Jones, the FOURTH is considered the worst, or in the case of SAW, they get considered shittier and shittier as they go. It's almost universally accepted when dealing in sequels and franchises that the FIRST is usually the BEST and interest generally declines over time.
Many people call Casino a lackluster retread of Goodfellas in that it smacks of been-there-done-that. Fuck that though - people who say that shit are really just attempting to hide the fact that they're sick and tired of those goddamn grease-ball Italians.
>'RACISM.
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101214, http://goo.gl/k9oBR Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 05:43 PM
http://goo.gl/k9oBR
You set 'em up. I knock 'em down.
>Note how white people (and every other kind of people) DID get >tired of The Godfather trilogy, the Star Wars trilogy, the >Back to the Future trilogy, the Matrix trilogy, the Saw >series, the Jaws sequels, the Indiana Jones series, and the >list goes on.
Now you're just lying and make shit up.
Not to mention that this is an automatic L because those movies are TRILOGIES
The ones I described are INDIVIDUAL MOVIES and the fact that you keep conflating them further proves my point:
You lumping them takes away from their specific nuances and individuality...which is part of what is racist. The three films had completely different stories, themes, morals. Other than being Chinese and featuring some martial arts, they were almost nothing alike.
>Oh, and the FIRST in pretty much each of those >cases is considered a CLASSIC (except for Saw.)
LMAO!
*ahem*
Empire (the second) is universally considered the best in the Star Wars trilogy
Raiders and Temple of Doom are considered the best in Indy (Temple to most people, which is part 2)
The first Back 2 the Future was considered the best
Jaws is obvious because the Jaws 2 was only made cuz part 1 made bread, wasn't really a true sequel
So you're mish-mashing the examples and ruining your dumbass point even further
>In each and every single one of those cases, the THIRD is >considered the WORST, or in the case of Indiana Jones, the >FOURTH is considered the worst, or in the case of SAW, they >get considered shittier and shittier as they go. It's almost >universally accepted when dealing in sequels and franchises >that the FIRST is usually the BEST and interest generally >declines over time.
I already disproved that one.
And the films I discussed weren't even a trilogy, so auto L for you
White people lumped them together as a trilogy because they don't care for the nuances of Chinese films and culture
This is too easy for me.
>Many people call Casino a lackluster retread of Goodfellas in >that it smacks of been-there-done-that. Fuck that though - >people who say that shit are really just attempting to hide >the fact that they're sick and tired of those goddamn >grease-ball Italians.
That's because Casino wasn't that great.
Note that white people didn't criticize 'The Sopranos'. White people loved it because, for the most part, it was good. Nobody was tired of that shit.
Next.
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101215, Maybe because it was based on an immensely popular book? Posted by BigKato, Thu Jan-19-12 07:43 PM
>Note how white people DID NOT GET TIRED of the LOTR >Trilogy. Note that they regarded the LAST ONE OF THE >TRILOGY as the best. Why? Because the LOTR trilogy >had white elves and hobbits and white people don't get >tired of them like they do ACTUAL HUMAN Asians.
Please note that most white people consider Fellowship of the Ring (1st movie) the best of the three. Everyone knows Return of the King (last one) only won Best Picture as a nod to the craftsmanship of the whole trilogy. Personally I like The Two Towers (2nd movie) the most. And I do know some white people who despise LOTR.
I think something lost in this whole "debate" is the simple fact that people don't wanna read while watching movies. Sad but true.
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101216, LOL. Wrong. You guys are trying real, real, real, hard. Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 07:52 PM
>Please note that most white people consider Fellowship of the >Ring (1st movie) the best of the three.
LOL. Wrong.
> Everyone knows Return >of the King (last one) only won Best Picture as a nod to the >craftsmanship of the whole trilogy. Personally I like The Two >Towers (2nd movie) the most. And I do know some white people >who despise LOTR.
LOL. You didn't make any points, at all here.
Like, you said absolutely nothing.
And its still irrelevant because LOTR is a Trilogy while the movies I'm discussing are not a trilogy.
>I think something lost in this whole "debate" is the simple >fact that people don't wanna read while watching movies. Sad >but true.
LOL.
LOL.
LOL.
LOL.
You're making shit up. Just stop.
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101217, Are you white? Posted by BigKato, Thu Jan-19-12 09:15 PM
> >>Please note that most white people consider Fellowship of >the >>Ring (1st movie) the best of the three. > >LOL. Wrong.
Are you white?
>> Everyone knows Return >>of the King (last one) only won Best Picture as a nod to the >>craftsmanship of the whole trilogy. Personally I like The >Two >>Towers (2nd movie) the most. And I do know some white >people >>who despise LOTR. > >LOL. You didn't make any points, at all here. > >Like, you said absolutely nothing. > >And its still irrelevant because LOTR is a Trilogy >while the movies I'm discussing are not a trilogy.
Please see post #45 where YOU first reference LOTR.
>>I think something lost in this whole "debate" is the simple >>fact that people don't wanna read while watching movies. >Sad >>but true. > >LOL. > >LOL. > >LOL. > >LOL. > >You're making shit up. Just stop.
I'm just sticking to the theme of your original post.
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101218, No, but you are mad. Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:09 PM
Why for?
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101219, this is a bit misleading i think Posted by pretentious username, Thu Jan-19-12 02:47 PM
for what it's worth, on that same compiled list, >Lord of the Rings:ROTK ranks 28th, Lord of the Rings:FOTR >ranks 33rd, and LOTR:Two Towers ranks 57th.
does this account for lists that rank all of them as one movie? since they've come out i think more people have done that than ranked/reviewed them individually, which makes it kinda awkward when compiling lists. for instance: http://www.metacritic.com/feature/film-critics-pick-the-best-movies-of-the-decade
that's a small sample size. i'm not gonna nitpick everything on there, and there are plenty of foreign films, but i was still surprised that crouching wasn't on there and that city of god didn't crack the top 25.
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101220, Good question. I don't have the answer. Posted by Sponge, Thu Jan-19-12 03:05 PM
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101221, it should be noted that Crouching Tiger had a different director Posted by hardware, Thu Jan-19-12 02:32 PM
personally i fing Zhang Yimou films to be better even Golden Flower
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101222, ugh. Posted by PlanetInfinite, Thu Jan-19-12 04:15 PM
since when did those three films become not critically acclaimed in america?
i'm out. _____________________
@etfp
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101223, RE: Let's discuss: CROUCHING TIGER/HERO/FLYING DAGGERS (RACISM) Posted by BigKato, Thu Jan-19-12 07:15 PM
>Just saw all three. Yep, 3 of the best films of the last >decade and change. Don't be mad, its true.
You're just now watching these three movies? Where ya been? Crouching Tiger is definitely one of the best movies of the 2000s.
>How INFREQUENTLY they are mentioned and discussed is mostly >racism combined with insecurity from ARTSY FARTSIES like >y'all.
Is this directed at all Americans or just the white ones?
>a) You artsy fartsies only like obscure Asian films. Those >3 movies were too big budget and popular for y'all, even >though >they are waaaaaay better than all these dumbass cult asian >movies that y'all like: > >"Samurai FLower by Katasahafasfdasfshi Mitsiabusishiyazki >was riveting" (c) Average Okayplayer > > >Just stop.
I googled "Samurai Flower" but couldn't find that movie? Are you sure you spelled the director's name right?
And just who do you think saw Crouching Tiger in theaters when it came out? Who helped it gross $128 million?
>b) Those movies had better special effects/more meaning/depth >than any pure hollywood big budget movie of the last 10 years.
>Chinese know how to do big budget and meaningful. We don't.
'We' as in Americans or just 'we' as white Americans? >I mean, 'Hero' was so well made it made you sympathize with >its (not so)hidden pro-Mao fascist message, for god's sakes. >Its a fantastic fucking film. Masterpiece.
I sympathized with the characters not the message...if I recall correctly, honestly it's been a while. I liked the movie a lot but mainly for the cinematography, special effects, and martial arts. If you wanna talk pro-Mao fascism I suggest you befriend some of those artsy fartsy types you despise.
>And I just saw MI:4 and visually its a snoozer compared to >'Hero'. Probably the most beautiful film I've ever seen in a >theater.
Why the fuck are you going to see MI:4? You're not too good for that trite Hollywood bullshit? Honestly you seem smart and should have known what to expect from a Mission Impossible movie.
>White people: You cannot direct as well as the Chinese. First >it was math. Now its film. Get over it.
To be fair China does have a larger talent pool to draw from.
>Oh, and the the remake of 'Karate Kid' was a Chinese >production >as well. Better than the American original <--it was, just >stop, >we already had this debate.
And Kung Fu Hustle is better than both. But you already knew that.
Have you actually seen any other Chinese movies besides these three? House of Flying Daggers is the newest of the three and it's 8 years old. Can you recommend any next level Chinese shit that's recent?
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101224, Hero is beautiful but also silly....plot holes up the ying yang Posted by Deebot, Thu Jan-19-12 08:09 PM
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101225, While I agree, it's so engaging that it makes up for it. Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jan-19-12 08:52 PM
It's just so much damn fun. I show the first fight sequence to my classes to show sound design.
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101226, You mean like 'Return of the Jedi?' Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Jan-19-12 11:49 PM
Oh, right.
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101227, Which is weird cuz them flicks are more daring actually artsier looking.. Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jan-20-12 10:21 AM
than 95% of the other shit that gets talked about.
I've been meaning to re-watch them too. Time to dust off the dvds.
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101228, OMG when u not in sportz u a real ass NIGGA Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Jan-20-12 10:49 AM
>than 95% of the other shit that gets talked about.
Nahmsayin?
>I've been meaning to re-watch them too. Time to dust off the >dvds.
Yeah, dodat. Them shitz aged WELL as FUCK
Still ain't seen a movie PRETTIER than Hero maybe cept Avatah
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101229, I lol hard at this Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jan-20-12 01:14 PM
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101230, here's my experience with those 3 particular films Posted by araQual, Sun Jan-22-12 09:08 AM
LOVED Hero. really liked Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. thought Daggers was nowhere near on the same level as the previous two.
as a result, i've only seen Daggers once, CTHD thrice, and Hero about 20 times. Hero's a damn near masterpiece to me. Asian cinema in GENERAL has been kickin ass for a minute.
V.
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101231, Agree. You got niggas in here saying 'Hero' was garbage, though Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Jan-22-12 09:22 AM
And all of a sudden becoming activists talking about "its fascist propaganda"
Most of the niggas posting that piss on homeless people and ignore the Salvation Army nigga with the bell
There is no way you're not RACIST and think 'Hero' was garbage. It was one of most STUNNING FILMS ever fucking MADE in the HISTORY of the planet, nigga. PERIOD
No bullshit gimmicks....just BEAUTIFUL FILMMAKING
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101232, Why won't you admit Crouching Tiger's legacy is just fine? Posted by BigKato, Sun Jan-22-12 04:22 PM
Quit being ignorant and acting like CTHD isn't on just about everyone's top of 2000s list. Often times in the top 10.
Quit acting like movie opinions aren't subjective. One or two people in this thread have said Hero sucks. Big deal. No reason to get mad. Most everyone else agrees it is a great movie.
And yes I'm on that Howard Beale.
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101233, golden flower >>>>>> daggers/hero Posted by Riot, Sun Jan-22-12 08:46 PM
Actually i get parts of daggers and hero mixed up but one of em had some snooze scenes
But curse of the golden flower is maaad slept on by so-called fans/foreign film buffs and blows probably both of the lesser 2 films away just due to the sheer grandiose chinese scale (whoever's seen it wld know what i mean)
Yea so any fans of the other 3 flicks, check that one out and then reorder your list
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101234, all jokes aside...this is 100% realness Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-23-12 11:34 AM
crouching tiger shoulda won best picture easily that year. they tried to placate people with that best foreign joint. it was the best film i saw that year by such a wide ass margin. it was disgusting.
it lost to gladitor, dogg. i remember seeing gladitor and thinking "great popcorn flick"...when it got all those noms, i was incensed because i knew it was gonna win big.
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101235, That's how The Artist will make me feel tomorrow. Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jan-23-12 11:39 AM
>it lost to gladitor, dogg. i remember seeing gladitor and >thinking "great popcorn flick"...when it got all those noms, i >was incensed because i knew it was gonna win big.
Tons of noms, likely to win all of them, because it's a fun movie that isn't challenging in the slightest.
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101236, Gladiator is imho the worst award winner in 20 years Posted by BigReg, Mon Jan-23-12 04:16 PM
Like it's a B- film all around, I never understood why it was so widely hyped.
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101237, Crash and Million Dollar Baby are definitely worse. Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jan-23-12 05:00 PM
Like, not even debatable.
That said, Gladiator isn't that good.
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101238, ^^^ this Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jan-23-12 07:35 PM
They make me think A Beautiful Mind is a legit winner.
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101239, Yeah, I forgot Crash. Posted by BigReg, Mon Jan-23-12 10:12 PM
id apologize, but whichever synapse in my brain that keeps on making me forget that movie is working in my favor.
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101240, Stop the fucking presses: The best film of the year DIDNT win? Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jan-23-12 05:03 PM
THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
RACISM!!!
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101241, nope...it is racism. Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-23-12 05:05 PM
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101242, Pans Labyrinth wasn't even nominated for Best Picture. Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jan-23-12 05:14 PM
I'd say it's more an American issue than a race one.
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101243, Nah...that's 'cism too Posted by Basaglia, Tue Jan-24-12 09:01 AM
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101244, : - ) Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jan-24-12 09:51 AM
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101245, Yeah but those "American issues" are "racial/cultural issues". Posted by Pinko_Panther, Tue Jan-24-12 11:45 AM
>I'd say it's more an American issue than a race one.
American institutions always start from a place of cultural self-importance. Hollywood and the American public in general can never accept that people with funny accents, strange cultural practices, spicy foods and tans without tanning beds could ever do something better.
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101246, here's the original pre-PTP reviews post on CT,HD Posted by ninjitsu, Mon Jan-23-12 04:13 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=20447&mesg_id=20447&listing_type=search
..dear god, that was a long time ago.
all those emoticons.
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101247, Yikes....universal praise. Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jan-23-12 08:06 PM
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101248, irrelevant. I'm talking about *legacy* Posted by Orbit_Established, Mon Jan-23-12 10:02 PM
Niggas don't even bother to read
Of course y'all liked it when it came out. White people were all over asians at that time
I'm talking about how they stood up with *time*
White people got tired of Asian people making better movies than them
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101249, this just proves OE's point Posted by pretentious username, Tue Jan-24-12 08:12 AM
the praise then does not match up with the (lack of) praise now. and people still like the film, it's just barely talked about. there are a million best of decade lists and i can barely find any that mention it.
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101250, ^^^^^^^^^^^ Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jan-24-12 09:50 AM
n/m
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101251, we need to institute the PTP OE Drinking game Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Mon Jan-23-12 04:17 PM
everytime he types "mad" you gotta take a drink
we'd all die from alcohol poisoning.
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101252, All jokes aside Posted by Orbit_Established, Mon Jan-23-12 10:01 PM
Why you mad?
For why art thou mad?
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101253, Debate is pointless... Posted by Pinko_Panther, Tue Jan-24-12 04:25 AM
...the only answer is "you mad?". There's no actual discourse or debate. It's really bothersome to me considering this guy was one of the coolest dudes to have actual conversation and discussion about serious topics. I remember back in the day, when I first started posting on OKP (like 10 years back or something) and we used to talk about shit in activist, there was never any of this "you mad?" shit when cats didn't agree. We could disagree and I'd walk away thinking "that's an intelligent cat". Now it's this dumbed down "why art thou mad?" retort that is so popular on the internet that it leaves no room for actual growth and exchange in ideas. It's sad, really.
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101254, Fine, fine -- one some real shit. Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jan-24-12 07:55 AM
You sound mad.
And to be completely honest -- I tried having an "intelligent" conversation, but people didn't want to. I have the level of conversation that everyone else brings. If people are flippant, I'm flippant.
If cats want to build, I build.
Its that simple.
Nobody wants to build and people tend to be dumb and mad.
So I see it and ask them a basic question:
"Why you mad?"
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101255, SMH... The thing is, I actually agree with you on this thread's topic... Posted by Pinko_Panther, Tue Jan-24-12 11:31 AM
...and a ton of other shit. I think you're a smart cat, and I always have. *shrug*
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101256, Thanks, but I like to have fun on the internet Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jan-24-12 11:39 AM
>...and a ton of other shit. I think you're a smart cat, >and I always have. *shrug*
I can be ignorant and smart at the same time.
I honestly ask people why they are mad because cats really do get mad.
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
(C)Keith Murray, "
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101257, Fair enough, I know I need to lighten up sometimes lol Posted by Pinko_Panther, Tue Jan-24-12 11:48 AM
>>...and a ton of other shit. I think you're a smart cat, >>and I always have. *shrug* > >I can be ignorant and smart at the same time. > >I honestly ask people why they are mad because cats >really do get mad.
...and after reading B9's silliness below, I can kinda see where you're coming from.
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101258, Oh, and I'm about to END THIS POST in 3...2...1... Posted by Orbit_Established, Mon Jan-23-12 10:05 PM
http://tinyurl.com/7zyy8hx
And why did they want QT "presenting" it?
Because WHITE PEOPLE WOULDN'T FUCKING WATCH IT WITHOUT HIS NAME ATTACHED EVEN THOUGH HE COULDN'T MAKE A FILM THAT WONDERFUL IN HIS FUCKING DREAMS
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Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it you? http://MatchShannon.com/
O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
(C)Keith Murray, "
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101259, did you read this? Posted by B9, Tue Jan-24-12 10:09 AM
“Miramax, the distributor, apparently cut out 20 minutes from the movie because they found that part to be “too Asian and confusing” for western audiences. Then-Miramax honcho Harvey Weinstein made a deal with Quentin Tarantino that he’d release the film uncut if Tarantino would allow a “Quentin Tarantino Presents” tag at the beginning of the film. Tarantino agreed.”
So Tarantino saved the US release from being some butchered product.
Tarantino made it possible for you to make this post.
Mad much?
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101260, LMAO!!! that PROVES MY POINT, dipshit. Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jan-24-12 10:15 AM
>“Miramax, the distributor, apparently cut out 20 minutes from >the movie because they found that part to be “too Asian and >confusing” for western audiences. Then-Miramax honcho Harvey >Weinstein made a deal with Quentin Tarantino that he’d release >the film uncut if Tarantino would allow a “Quentin Tarantino >Presents” tag at the beginning of the film. Tarantino >agreed.” > > >So Tarantino saved the US release from being some butchered >product. > > >Tarantino made it possible for you to make this post. > > >Mad much?
BWAHAHAHAHA
You DUMB FUCK -- RACIST ASS US studio execs thought it was TOO ASIAN and TOO CONFUSING
My post isn't a QT-hate post, dumb fuck. Its a post aimed at the white execs who were RACIST and wanted it dumbed down before the release for being TOO CHINESE
Pure, unadulterated racism
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
(C)Keith Murray, "
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101261, So now Quinton is a champion of racial injustice? Noted. Posted by B9, Tue Jan-24-12 10:33 AM
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101262, Oh yeah. QT is Malcom X. Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jan-24-12 10:36 AM
And I'm glad you admit that you proved my point.
I'd be mad if I was you too.
You didn't bother touching the argument with a 32.5 foot pole.
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Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it you? http://MatchShannon.com/
O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
(C)Keith Murray, "
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101263, I don't really care and find your fits about subjectivity amusing Posted by B9, Tue Jan-24-12 10:55 AM
when you present "evidence" that crosses paths with your other subjective agendas, it's especially funny.
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101264, Apology accepted. Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jan-24-12 11:09 AM
Just don't let it happen again.
And don't be mad.
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
(C)Keith Murray, "
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