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Basaglia
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"Poll question: Which Under-25 Core would you rather have?"


  

          



I'm going with the Bucks.

Poll result (42 votes)
KAT, Dunn, Wiggy, Zach (17 votes)Vote
Bari, Giannis, Middleton, Thon (3 votes)Vote
The Snitch, BI, Cop Face, Clarkson (9 votes)Vote
Simmons, Saric, French Nigga, Whichever Big is Left (9 votes)Vote
Brow, Buddy, Diallo...*looks at roster*...Terrance Jones, I guess (0 votes)Vote
Drummond, Ellenson, Stanley, KCP (4 votes)Vote

  

  

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The one with the Kentucky guys.
Jul 15th 2016
1
nurkic. and harris.
Jul 15th 2016
2
      Im gonna be mad and/or sad if Harris is a player.
Jul 16th 2016
47
My Top Ten
Jul 15th 2016
3
you're not hard on the lakers...they trash
Jul 15th 2016
5
RE: My Top Ten
Jul 16th 2016
50
      I just have more faith in the Sixers guys
Jul 16th 2016
55
           I hope your faith is not misplaced lol
Jul 18th 2016
86
the one we got.
Jul 15th 2016
4
Detroit
Jul 15th 2016
6
We were playoff bound 3 months ago lol
Jul 16th 2016
27
Lakers fans are the best
Jul 15th 2016
7
yeah...this was a real poll and they fucked it up.
Jul 15th 2016
8
      The Lakers last
Jul 15th 2016
9
      Call me desperate or gullible, but I'm all in on those two gambles...
Jul 19th 2016
107
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C6n-G-iM0E0/hqdefault.jpg
Jul 15th 2016
10
Minn, Bucks, NO then Philly
Jul 15th 2016
11
Hi Basa : - ) Coffee when I come to DC
Jul 15th 2016
12
:-)
Jul 16th 2016
19
Minnesota and Milwaukee are the obvious winners, imo.
Jul 15th 2016
13
So KAT and some shit is better than Giannis Bari and Mids?
Jul 16th 2016
14
By quite a bit.
Jul 16th 2016
16
For some reason people think KAT is much younger than Giannis.
Jul 16th 2016
20
KAT absolutely has the bigger upside
Jul 16th 2016
30
      LMAO. See: Olajuwon, Hakeem. And Duncan, Tim.
Jul 16th 2016
38
           Nah. See: Garnett, Kevin. And Duncan, Tim.
Jul 17th 2016
79
                Lol. 1) Giannis' game is not like KG.
Jul 17th 2016
81
                     Giannis's potential is AK47 on steroids
Aug 10th 2016
111
If Wiggins is some shit, why isn't Jabari?
Jul 16th 2016
22
Lol
Jul 16th 2016
25
I like our core a lot but it's obviously Minny.
Jul 16th 2016
15
KAT.
Jul 16th 2016
17
Giannis is 21. KAT is 20. And Giannis just left serious poverty.
Jul 16th 2016
18
      Lol I don't give a fuck what your clown ass have to say about anything
Jul 16th 2016
41
      Yikes. Well, at least you didn't go off the rails.
Jul 16th 2016
54
      this is like scouting 101
Jul 18th 2016
100
           I think KAT's floor and ceiling are more certain.
Jul 18th 2016
103
Y'all can bet against THIS nigga if you want to:
Jul 16th 2016
21
He's early on Ben's list
Jul 16th 2016
23
      Shells, you're barking up the wrong tree.
Jul 16th 2016
24
           Nope. The Hipsters' golden boy is first to fall
Jul 16th 2016
26
                Golden boy? LMAO. Simmons literally more golden than Giannis
Jul 16th 2016
37
                     Not among the basketball nerds in the blogosphere.
Jul 16th 2016
40
                          LMAO. Everyone who has watched Giannis loves him, Einstein
Jul 16th 2016
53
                               No, it's nerds in the blogosphere
Jul 16th 2016
60
                                    LOL. Simmons has been a basketall phenom for 4 years.
Jul 16th 2016
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                                    cool. he's on the list.
Jul 16th 2016
69
                                         You mean Simmons is on Giannis' list.
Jul 16th 2016
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                                    that was 2-3 years ago. everyone was loving Giannis this past season
Jul 17th 2016
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                                         BUT DID HE PUT 20 ON AUBURN THOUGH?
Jul 17th 2016
80
I wouldnt trade ours for any group. U forgot Tobias Harris too.
Jul 16th 2016
28
Drummond top 2? Ehhhh.... Harris Top 5? Flat out no.
Jul 16th 2016
29
      Yeah, I do think Harris is a difference maker group-wise
Jul 16th 2016
32
      Nowhere near Top 5. He's a solid starter on a great contract.
Jul 16th 2016
33
      Are there people that dont think that? Lmao
Jul 16th 2016
35
           Lol...when they Tobias was in Year 2 and Harrison was a rookie, yep.
Jul 16th 2016
39
                "Ive made a huge mistake" (c) _____ Bluth
Jul 16th 2016
48
      How far away could he possibly be with that group?
Jul 16th 2016
34
           Just the NBA players that Basa mentioned, I'd take:
Jul 16th 2016
36
                Its statistically likely that a number of those guys wont ever be as goo...
Jul 16th 2016
42
                     He's a pf that doesn't see double digit rebounds.
Jul 16th 2016
43
                     He wont ever on this team. Was only a skosh under 10 per in the offs th...
Jul 16th 2016
45
                     He plays with good rebounders...he is a "PF" that shots 45% tho
Jul 16th 2016
64
                          Better TS% than Blake, Boogie, and Pau
Jul 16th 2016
65
                     Jabari might be too high
Jul 16th 2016
44
                     Youre right about his subpar defense
Jul 16th 2016
46
                     might be too low...we shall see.
Jul 17th 2016
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                     We good for Jabari vs. Tobias Harris...see you in the winter.
Jul 16th 2016
63
                          Ill be here nm
Jul 16th 2016
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      Drummond is easily top 3, not even an argument. Harris, I agree
Jul 16th 2016
51
Is Thon a great shooter?
Jul 16th 2016
31
Great? No, but he has range. Ideal length, runs the floor
Jul 16th 2016
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      If he's anywhere near 19, he's a huge steal
Jul 16th 2016
75
           I don't care how old he is, I mean he is not 30 or anything
Jul 18th 2016
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                Yea Gorgui Deng was old, and def has proven worth a 1st rounder
Jul 19th 2016
108
Minnesota, followed by N.O....then Milwaukee and Detroit are similar
Jul 16th 2016
49
Drummond was just named All NBA tho. EDIT: fuck this
Jul 16th 2016
56
      AD got hurt, and his team sucked
Jul 16th 2016
57
           And?
Jul 16th 2016
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           And I guess I should have worded it differently
Jul 16th 2016
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           No. Fucking. EXCUSES.
Jul 16th 2016
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           gee in that corner and samardo on that block (c) some guy making excuses
Jul 16th 2016
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           yup...the standard is now set thanks to that dumb shit
Jul 16th 2016
73
           Davis has already been 1st team, and taken a wack team to the playoffs
Jul 17th 2016
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                wack team, as in ROY Tyreke, AS Jrue, Ryan Anderson, Gordon, etc?
Jul 17th 2016
85
                     Jrue played 40 games, Eric Gordon in 2015? Who cares?
Jul 18th 2016
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                          cool...he should win a title by 24. if not...you're just wrong.
Jul 18th 2016
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                               so Tristan Thompson is better than Davis, Drummond, etc.
Jul 18th 2016
93
                                    not my fault you so mad you compared a 7 footer to a 6-3 guy.
Jul 18th 2016
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                                         nah....you brought Kyrie up for some weird reason
Jul 18th 2016
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                                              of course i brought him up...he's the reason we have "NO EXCUSES"
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                   I'm LMAO because you just said I was "mad"
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                        man, you wrote SEVERAL raps to defend a scrub...come down
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                             Had a lot of fun doing it too
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                                  bet it wasn't fun watching dion be what i said he was
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                                       I enjoyed watching Dion have some good moments in the playoffs
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                                            dion a BUM, dogg. austin rivers better than him GOOD!
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                                                 nah and nah
Jul 18th 2016
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                                                                                      and i knew dion was low-end role player
Jul 18th 2016
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           Pelicans roster looks like KG supporting cast in Minny
Jul 16th 2016
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                Let's see if Buddy is Anthony Peeler before we say he's World
Jul 16th 2016
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                SMH. Buddy hasn't even played a real game yet.
Jul 16th 2016
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The Lakers have more players under 25 than that
Jul 16th 2016
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and Zubak....
Jul 17th 2016
83
you got a generous sliding scale for contribution
Jul 18th 2016
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so many moving parts/variables..but I still say Philly by year 2-3
Jul 17th 2016
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T WOlves and Bucks to me got the right stack
Jul 17th 2016
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They look good but I bet neither amounts to anything over time.
Jul 18th 2016
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      Wolves cleaned house
Jul 18th 2016
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Dammit.
Jul 20th 2016
109
Is that how coddled golden boys look? Isiah looking at him like he saw t...
Aug 10th 2016
110
Wiggins frying Winslow courtesy of Zach Harper
Oct 10th 2016
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That's not even close to being a thing.
Oct 10th 2016
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      it is now......i'll take bari off wiggins duty and put justise there now...
Oct 10th 2016
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           Bari vs Winslow is more fitting.
Oct 10th 2016
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                wiggins been healthy. bari wasn't until after break last year.
Oct 10th 2016
116
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Oct 27th 2016
117

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1. "The one with the Kentucky guys. "
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I'd add Booker, Ulis, Bender, and Chriss to that

And

Mudiay, Murray, Jokic, and one of them other young dudes

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2. "nurkic. and harris."
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>Mudiay, Murray, Jokic, and one of them other young dudes

and will barton's 25 if i'm not mistaken.

and i agree, i'd take them over a couple of the ones in the poll.

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47. "Im gonna be mad and/or sad if Harris is a player."
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My MSU pro players agenda will be severely weakened if a 6'1 combo guard is balling

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3. "My Top Ten"
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Fri Jul-15-16 09:41 PM by SoulHonky

          

I'm not 100% sold on Wiggins but he has killer trade value if Thibs isn't convinced.

1. Wolves: KAT is a beast, Zach and Wiggins are legit, and I like Dunn even though I'm not sold on his fit with the other two.

2. Bucks: I'm a believer in Giannis and Middleton is better than I thought. Parker will be a #3 guy, at least and Thon is a complete wild card but worth the gamble. (EDIT: Hmmm... on second though, might be a little high on the Bucks. If I had more faith in MC-W or Ennis, they'd be locks for here though.)

3. Sixers: Before this draft, I think you could have offered the Sixers young guys for AD and gotten turned down. Simmons, Korkmaz, and Frenchie tip the scales in Philly's favor.

4. Detroit: I had them lower but then saw that Tobias Harris is also under 24 and I think that makes the Pistons group stronger than AD.

5. Pelicans: The biggest issue is that, as limited as their under-25 crew is, it's the over-25 group that nobody wants anything to do with. Hield makes me nervous, I like TJones but not as a huge part of the core, and Diallo is a project. Still, AD is AD and that's enough for the #4 spot. Another 60 game season from AD and this group could drop.

6. Lakers: I'm probably being too hard on these guys but Ingram's still an unknown to me and I'm not completely sold on Randle, Russell, and Clarkson.

7. Nuggets: Jokic, Mudiay, Murray, Nurkic, Harris, Beasley, Hermangomez, Joffrey. I'm higher on these guys than most but I really like what they're putting together in Denver. I could see this crew moving up fast.

8. Jazz: Exum not living up to the hype is holding back a solid group of Hood, Lyles, Gobert, and Burks.

9. Magic: I like all of these guys but just not sure any of them should be a Top 3 guy: Bismack, Gordon, Hezonja, Fournier, and Elfrid

10. Suns: Too much is unknown with Bender, Chriss, Ulis but they have a solid group with Booker, Knight, Warren, Len and Archie.

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5. "you're not hard on the lakers...they trash"
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50. "RE: My Top Ten"
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Sat Jul-16-16 12:41 PM by ConcreteCharlie

  

          

>I'm not 100% sold on Wiggins but he has killer trade value if
>Thibs isn't convinced.
>
>1. Wolves: KAT is a beast, Zach and Wiggins are legit, and I
>like Dunn even though I'm not sold on his fit with the other
>two.

I would begrudgingly rank them No. 1 also. Their peripheral guys are also young. This is a good group that will take Kahn-like incompetence to prevent from getting to the playoffs within a couple seasons.

>2. Bucks: I'm a believer in Giannis and Middleton is better
>than I thought. Parker will be a #3 guy, at least and Thon is
>a complete wild card but worth the gamble. (EDIT: Hmmm... on
>second though, might be a little high on the Bucks. If I had
>more faith in MC-W or Ennis, they'd be locks for here
>though.)

I am not in love with this group but it lacks that Towns or Davis type centerpiece. I like Giannis but as a no. 2/3 guy on a team. Parker's emergence could justify this ranking and obviously Maker is a home-run swing. We won't know if it connected or not for a few years. I'd rank them a little lower.

>3. Sixers: Before this draft, I think you could have offered
>the Sixers young guys for AD and gotten turned down. Simmons,
>Korkmaz, and Frenchie tip the scales in Philly's favor.

Lots of wild cards here, from what we have seen so far I would have them a little lower maybe but now Simmons and Saric and maybe even Embiid make them sizzle with potential. Simmons I have a strong feeling will at least be a very solid No. 2 guy.

>4. Detroit: I had them lower but then saw that Tobias Harris
>is also under 24 and I think that makes the Pistons group
>stronger than AD.

I would have them higher. Right today, Drummond is the best player being discussed all things considered. If A.D. were healthy or Towns were two years further in, it might be a different story, sure, hence why the "right today" thing. They have a lot of youth and grit.

>5. Pelicans: The biggest issue is that, as limited as their
>under-25 crew is, it's the over-25 group that nobody wants
>anything to do with. Hield makes me nervous, I like TJones but
>not as a huge part of the core, and Diallo is a project.
>Still, AD is AD and that's enough for the #4 spot. Another 60
>game season from AD and this group could drop.

They basically have one player and he is often injured, has never won anything of note. Great talent but I think this is as high as I'd put them and that's only because some of these other groups are weak. I'd even consider putting the Suns ahead of them maybe.

>6. Lakers: I'm probably being too hard on these guys but
>Ingram's still an unknown to me and I'm not completely sold on
>Randle, Russell, and Clarkson.

Ingram is a potential game-changer but I don't think he will tear it up right out of the box. Randle made some strides, we'll see what he does now that they have some other actual pros in their frontcourt. The other guys are pretty common players to me, though to hear Warren Coolidge tell it Larry Nance Jr already turned the corner on Larry Nance Sr and Tarik Black is Dikembe Mutombo reincarnate.

>7. Nuggets: Jokic, Mudiay, Murray, Nurkic, Harris, Beasley,
>Hermangomez, Joffrey. I'm higher on these guys than most but I
>really like what they're putting together in Denver. I could
>see this crew moving up fast.



>8. Jazz: Exum not living up to the hype is holding back a
>solid group of Hood, Lyles, Gobert, and Burks.

I might have these guys a little higher but not much. How old are Hayward and Favors now? They seem to have a lot of trouble finding a point guard (Exum, the departed Burke, et al). Is John Stockton still in game shape? Good young group, kind of like the Pistons but not as good.

>9. Magic: I like all of these guys but just not sure any of
>them should be a Top 3 guy: Bismack, Gordon, Hezonja,
>Fournier, and Elfrid

They are trying to do the mid 2000s Detroit model, I guess. I don't know what to make of Hezonja yet. He could swing things for them. Youth all up and down the roster, great defensive intensity but to me they seem like that team who plays balls-out all season but then has no next level once the playoffs start. Again nine seems a little low maybe. Then again they did just trade two very good young players for a veteran, and we are talking about under-25 cores here. When they had Oladipo and Sabonis, I would have had them higher, though in the bigger picture Ibaka fits what they are trying to do.

>10. Suns: Too much is unknown with Bender, Chriss, Ulis but
>they have a solid group with Booker, Knight, Warren, Len and
>Archie.

I mean it seems arbitrary to punish them for unknowns when the Sixers have a vast multitude of question marks, so did the Nuggets and other teams ranked higher. I loved their draft, Bender has the tools (not sure about the tool box), Ulis should be a good role player and Chriss could be a steal. I honestly think he could one of the three most talented players in this draft, but he has a lot of work to do, too. Booker I love, loved his makeup in college and he is ahead of schedule as a pro. Knight/Bledsoe are obviously established though not necessarily consistent. Len is a guy I could see emerging from that weak class as one of its better players, though guys his size are always prone to injury and in today's game it's tougher than in the past for them to thrive. I like him as a poor man's Yao. I'd rank these guys closer to the middle of the pack here. I like their mix better than the Nuggets or Lakers, and overall more than the Pels (but the AD factor). I'd put them there with the Magic and Bucks.

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55. "I just have more faith in the Sixers guys"
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I wanted to put the Suns higher because I'm a big fan of Booker and a believer in Knight (Bledsoe didn't make the cut at 26) but I just have more faith in Simmons and Saric than I do Bender and Chriss. I like the two Euros the Sixers got and don't have a ton of faith in Len right now.

But a big plus for the Sixers was that I think Okafor has a lot of trade value, as does Noel, to a lesser extent.

For Utah, Favors is 25 and Hayward is 26 so they missed the cut but would have pushed Utah higher.

I had the Pistons lower because I'm not a huge fan of their non-Drummond young 'uns. I like Stanley as a complementary player, Ellenson could be a nice fit, and Tobias is an NBA starter but I feel like it would be easier to build a team with the Sixers youngsters than it might be with Drummond. The Sixers have guys you can trade for core pieces or top draft picks.

If you're talking about rolling out the ball and playing tomorrow, the Sixers get dropped down because they all play the same position.

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86. "I hope your faith is not misplaced lol"
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>I wanted to put the Suns higher because I'm a big fan of
>Booker and a believer in Knight (Bledsoe didn't make the cut
>at 26) but I just have more faith in Simmons and Saric than I
>do Bender and Chriss. I like the two Euros the Sixers got and
>don't have a ton of faith in Len right now.

Yeah I realize some of these teams have guys 26 or 27, but that are part of a broader, young nucleus. Same deal with Utah, two high-paid guys entering their primes and a bunch of kids.

Len has obvious question marks, 10 or 20 years ago I would have been a lot higher on him. I still think he could be solid.

>But a big plus for the Sixers was that I think Okafor has a
>lot of trade value, as does Noel, to a lesser extent.

Yeah I hope they make the right move and I hope Embiid is healthy. Just so many unknowns there. You could list seven guys as their "under-25 core" and five of them haven't even seen an NBA court yet. I am not tripping in terms of patience but I am also not making any bold proclamations.

>For Utah, Favors is 25 and Hayward is 26 so they missed the
>cut but would have pushed Utah higher.

>I had the Pistons lower because I'm not a huge fan of their
>non-Drummond young 'uns. I like Stanley as a complementary
>player, Ellenson could be a nice fit, and Tobias is an NBA
>starter but I feel like it would be easier to build a team
>with the Sixers youngsters than it might be with Drummond. The
>Sixers have guys you can trade for core pieces or top draft
>picks.

I think Drummond is a nice engine for the kind of team they want to build, which is also sort of the kind of team that Orlando, Milwaukee and others are shooting for. Solid defense, good rebounding, protect the ball and do things by committee on offense. Ben Wallace 2K17 for them.

>If you're talking about rolling out the ball and playing
>tomorrow, the Sixers get dropped down because they all play
>the same position.

Sure, they have no guards to speak of really. We'll see what they end up doing, I just hope they don't make any hasty decisions.

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4. "the one we got."
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6. "Detroit"
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Van Gundy is low-key building something good there. Not a sexy as minny, but they're playoff bound soon and SVG can coach his ass off.
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27. "We were playoff bound 3 months ago lol"
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>Van Gundy is low-key building something good there. Not a
>sexy as minny, but they're playoff bound soon and SVG can
>coach his ass off

Now we are ECF bound

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7. "Lakers fans are the best"
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The only acceptable answers are Minnesota and NOLA, just because Brow might be That Dude still.

But I come in and the lakers have four votes? Shit, sure I'll vote for the Sixers, since we're just dicking around, apparently.

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Basaglia
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8. "yeah...this was a real poll and they fucked it up."
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i think giannis, bari and middleton have proven enough to be a real option. the lakers some shit.

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9. "The Lakers last"
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All that matters is a superstar, and they're the only team on the list that doesn't have a candidate. Brandon could make a couple ASGs and average 20-22 for his career, but that's it.

And before people get pissy, we're probably fifth. Simmons will be That Guy if he learns to shoot, but that's a damn big if. Embiid will be That Guy if he can get a new body.

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107. "Call me desperate or gullible, but I'm all in on those two gambles..."
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Ilgauskas was able to put together something that resembled a career after bad similar foot injury. Ease Embiid in who hopefully can take less of a pounding as a 4, see how Simmons feed the bigs.

Waaaay more moving parts & "if he" scenarios, but... buuuuuuuut...

  

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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C6n-G-iM0E0/hqdefault.jpg

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11. "Minn, Bucks, NO then Philly"
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>
>
>I'm going with the Bucks.

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12. "Hi Basa : - ) Coffee when I come to DC"
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Gotta go to that there US 'tent office

  

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19. ":-)"
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____________________________________________________


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13. "Minnesota and Milwaukee are the obvious winners, imo."
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14. "So KAT and some shit is better than Giannis Bari and Mids?"
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16. "By quite a bit. "
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20. "For some reason people think KAT is much younger than Giannis. "
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And has a much bigger upside than Giannis.

He's one year younger, and definitely does not have
a bigger upside.

Giannis hasn't been coddled by basketball elites

He was selling watches

He's just getting comfortable now

  

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30. "KAT absolutely has the bigger upside"
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He can shoot. From anywhere. Giannis can't. It is what it is.

And Towns wasn't coddled, nor is coming up hard selling watches a mark of a surefire success. Actually it's often the opposite. Giannis lost some developmental time behind his tough economical situation. The fact that he was able to overcome that is a testament to his natural talent, if he grew up "coddled" in a structured environment, he would've been even more scary.

  

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38. "LMAO. See: Olajuwon, Hakeem. And Duncan, Tim. "
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>He can shoot. From anywhere. Giannis can't. It is what it
>is.

So KAT can shoot better.

Giannis is a better ball handler, passer, and is
emerging into a lock down defender

>And Towns wasn't coddled, nor is coming up hard selling
>watches a mark of a surefire success.

LMAO. Nobody said selling watches is a mark of success


Actually it's often the
>opposite. Giannis lost some developmental time behind his
>tough economical situation.

LMAO. Real scientific there, bro

The fact that he was able to
>overcome that is a testament to his natural talent, if he grew
>up "coddled" in a structured environment, he would've been
>even more scary.

See Olajuwon, Hakeem, and Duncan, Timmay

Their developlment was more like Giannis than like
KAT. Neither grew up around basketball. Both grew up
in relatively poor countries. Both soaked up knowledge
and developed their game.



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okayplayery
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79. "Nah. See: Garnett, Kevin. And Duncan, Tim. "
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>>He can shoot. From anywhere. Giannis can't. It is what it
>>is.
>
>So KAT can shoot better.
>
>Giannis is a better ball handler, passer, and is
>emerging into a lock down defender

I see it as TD vs KG all over again. KG was a better ballhander, passer and a more versatile defender. In the end that didn't give him an advantage that I thought it would. Talent alone was not enough. KG tried to do everything covering up for unbalanced rosters and shitty teammates, meanwhile Timmy concentrated on the things he excelled at and let the Spurs fit pieces around his game.

And history aside, Towns is a year younger and just put up the best rookie big man season since Shaq and Duncan. His ceiling is off the charts.

>See Olajuwon, Hakeem, and Duncan, Timmay
>
>Their developlment was more like Giannis than like
>KAT. Neither grew up around basketball. Both grew up
>in relatively poor countries. Both soaked up knowledge
>and developed their game.

I don't think it's a great analogy. Both Dream and TD were young athletes coming up. Tim almost was an Olympic swimmer and Hakeem a soccer player. They didn't play ball, but they knew that athlete lifestyle, they trained since kindergarten. And they both from middle-class families, neither of them had to sell shit or hustle for a living.

  

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81. "Lol. 1) Giannis' game is not like KG."
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2) KG and Duncan are probably 2 of the 5 best power
forwards to ever play.

The differences between them are tiny relative to the difference between them and even other very good power forwards in league
history

So if that's what we're talking about, then this is a stupid
conversation.

YOU said Giannis' childhood would stunt his development. There
is zero evidence for that. There is, however, evidence to the
contrary.

  

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111. "Giannis's potential is AK47 on steroids "
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http://bkref.com/tiny/5BTNJ

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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22. "If Wiggins is some shit, why isn't Jabari?"
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I don't think either is, but there's no basis in their performance to say one is better than the other.

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25. "Lol"
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15. "I like our core a lot but it's obviously Minny. "
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17. "KAT. "
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Obviously Ant Browse is a certified made man but his health is a concern.

Giannis is an incredibly intriguing prospect but he's entering his fourth year while KAT showed an exceptionally mature game in his rookie year and doesn't have serious health concerns that I'm aware of.

  

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18. "Giannis is 21. KAT is 20. And Giannis just left serious poverty. "
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>Giannis is an incredibly intriguing prospect but he's entering
>his fourth year while KAT showed an exceptionally mature game
>in his rookie year and doesn't have serious health concerns
>that I'm aware of.

So of course KAT was better right away. He was being groomed
and coached by elites for many years. Giannis was selling
watches and living in squalor while KAT was at 5-star basketball
camps.

Giannis has no health concerns either.

Giannis' potential is limitless. He's still figuring out
basics of his game.

  

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41. "Lol I don't give a fuck what your clown ass have to say about anything"
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I'm not going to even attempt a reasonable conversation with you. You and the other AgendaBots can kick rocks.

Have a happy Saturday.

  

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54. "Yikes. Well, at least you didn't go off the rails. "
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>I'm not going to even attempt a reasonable conversation with
>you. You and the other AgendaBots can kick rocks.

Happily

>Have a happy Saturday.
>

You too, bro

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100. "this is like scouting 101"
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If you have athlete A who runs a 4.4 and has perfect form, etc vs athlete B who runs a 4.5, but has bad form and runs in dress shoes, athlete B is the better prospect.

Clearly KAT is better right now, but I don't think it is unfair to point out that Giannis has a higher ceiling, if for no other reason than he started on the floor.

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103. "I think KAT's floor and ceiling are more certain. "
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GA is somewhat more tantalizing given his wider range of skills but not by a wide enough margin that I would pick him over KAT *right today* for the simple reason that I think KAT is more certain and came out the gates at a higher level.

All things being equal, the two are good enough and close enough that neither would be the "wrong" choice over the other but I think KAT presents a little more certainty while GA presents a more exciting array of possibilities.


  

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21. "Y'all can bet against THIS nigga if you want to: "
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https://twitter.com/brewcitypaul/status/753260803512492033

Not me.


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23. "He's early on Ben's list"
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Like, ben's gonna pass him by the end of year two. Have fun now.

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24. "Shells, you're barking up the wrong tree. "
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There are MANY other overhyped young boys to
go at.

Giannis ain't the one.

He sold watches at halftime of euro league games. Simmons
is probably the most coddled elite prospect of the last
decade. Not even Lebron was CODDLED that way.

Leave Giannis alone. He serving his country. He African
in a poor white country, was selling watches.

You just don't wanna fuck with a dude like that.

  

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26. "Nope. The Hipsters' golden boy is first to fall"
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37. "Golden boy? LMAO. Simmons literally more golden than Giannis"
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Boys don't get more golden than Ben Simmons

He's had it all handed to him and been bred for
success

Giannis from the slums

  

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40. "Not among the basketball nerds in the blogosphere. "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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53. "LMAO. Everyone who has watched Giannis loves him, Einstein"
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It ain't "nerds in the blogosphere"

It's "people who have watched Giannis play"

And even still, he's had to earn more of his than
Simmons ever has

Simmons the Golden Boy

Giannis done earned his

  

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60. "No, it's nerds in the blogosphere"
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They see one good vine a month, and they like ooooo league pass team.

Everybody else sees a skinny gawky dude who plays for bad teams.

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67. "LOL. Simmons has been a basketall phenom for 4 years. "
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You can't find a way to shit breath your way into
making him a "renegade underdog."

Golden boys don't get more golden than Ben Simmons. He's
been as coddled and adored as any basketball player in
a decade. And Lebron, unlike Simmons, was from poverty.

So just stop it.

Your boy is a suburban, clean cut golden boy who everyone
loves.

Giannis in Greece participating in military service.

Giannis STILL the darkhorse. Ben the golden boy. Those
are the facts.

>They see one good vine a month, and they like ooooo league
>pass team.

Right, and we seen years of Ben Simmons highlight reels,
followed by him sleepwalking his way through his first
year of college and nerds do the same thing.

>Everybody else sees a skinny gawky dude who plays for bad
>teams.

Right, like Simmons was sleep walking and under-performing
against kids half as athletic and strong as he is.




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69. "cool. he's on the list."
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70. "You mean Simmons is on Giannis' list. "
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Giannis' list of pampered, coddled kids that he gonna out
work with his Greek grit and Nigerian genes/intellect


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76. "that was 2-3 years ago. everyone was loving Giannis this past season"
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especially when he started running point in the second half and was dropping triple-doubles every other game.

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80. "BUT DID HE PUT 20 ON AUBURN THOUGH?"
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____________________

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28. "I wouldnt trade ours for any group. U forgot Tobias Harris too."
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Drummond is one of the 2 best players on the list and Harris is in the top 5 with AD, KAT, and Giannis.

Plus KCP is the best perimeter defender on that list by a considerable margin

Every guy on that list plus Marcus (26) and Reggie (recent 26) are all under team control for 3-5 years.

This is a rather exciting time to be a Pistons fan.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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29. "Drummond top 2? Ehhhh.... Harris Top 5? Flat out no. "
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32. "Yeah, I do think Harris is a difference maker group-wise"
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But he's not Top 5 and honestly, I don't think he's close to the top 5.

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33. "Nowhere near Top 5. He's a solid starter on a great contract. "
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And I'm the guy who said Tobias > Harrison.

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35. "Are there people that dont think that? Lmao"
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>And I'm the guy who said Tobias > Harrison.

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TheRealBillyOcean
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39. "Lol...when they Tobias was in Year 2 and Harrison was a rookie, yep."
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48. ""Ive made a huge mistake" (c) _____ Bluth"
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34. "How far away could he possibly be with that group?"
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36. "Just the NBA players that Basa mentioned, I'd take:"
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KAT
AD
Giannis
Drummond
Wiggins
Jabari
Zach
Noel/Jahlil
Middleton

And if we include the rookies, I'm taking Simmons, Ingram, and Dunn over him. And if we extend to my Top 10, there are at least 5 or 6 names on those teams that I'd take over Tobias.

On the bright side, I think he's in a perfect situation alongside Drummond and Stanley, and Reggie. Honestly, I'm a big fan of Stanley and might even opt for him over Tobias.

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42. "Its statistically likely that a number of those guys wont ever be as goo..."
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As Harris is right now.

If Jabari is on a *good* path his development mirrors Harris at best. He will never be the rebounder Harris is right now, and Harris' s offensive game doesn't have the kind of glaring hole that would leave him a margin to be passed.

Playing in Orlando has killed his perception.

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43. "He's a pf that doesn't see double digit rebounds. "
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45. "He wont ever on this team. Was only a skosh under 10 per in the offs th..."
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Hes also a PF with a 48/38/91 shooting line over his Deteoit tenure

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64. "He plays with good rebounders...he is a "PF" that shots 45% tho"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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65. "Better TS% than Blake, Boogie, and Pau "
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http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/player-true-shooting-percent-leaders/2015/

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44. "Jabari might be too high"
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He's the reason I waver on the Bucks ranking. I go back and forth on what his ceiling is. This is a crucial year for his development IMO.

But everyone else, I'm solidly taking over Harris. Tobias is fine but he's a complementary player IMO. And his defense is a problem. Bottom line: if you're talking top under-25 talent in the league, Tobias isn't remotely close to the top 5 or even top 10. And just off Basa's list, the top 5 is heads and shoulders above Tobias. No GM is even taking the call if they know you're offering Tobias straight up for KAT, AD, Giannis, Drummond, or Wiggins.

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46. "Youre right about his subpar defense"
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But to he clear, my position is that he is top 5 on this list *right now*. Not that he will he in the future.

Once one of these other guys bests 17/6/3 on 48/38/91 on a legitmately good team*, Ill be happy to revisit this. But until then, my favorite quote from Point Break still applies to the field:

"Astonish me, shitface(s)!"

After some truly terrible years, our future is suddenly happening already and Harris, unlike everyone else on the list, is a huge part of a currently successful team.

*Ill admit his sample size with the Pistons is only 26 games + 4 playoff games. But i think his numbers are going to improve even further.

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77. "might be too low...we shall see. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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63. "We good for Jabari vs. Tobias Harris...see you in the winter. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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66. "Ill be here nm"
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51. "Drummond is easily top 3, not even an argument. Harris, I agree"
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Top five is a reach for him.

Drummond I don't think anyone could argue lower than three right now. AD when healthy is clearly the best, Towns I could see as No. 2 on potential (though I wouldn't rank him there yet). Drummond is definitely better than Wiggins right today and Giannis, too.

I just named five guys clearly better than Harris. I could probably name five more.

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31. "Is Thon a great shooter?"
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Cause you can't play Bari and Giannis together as it is, can't be adding another non-shooter to that core and expect offense to improve.

  

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52. "Great? No, but he has range. Ideal length, runs the floor"
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You look at him, Giannis and Parker, that's like 30 feet of wing span and all guys who can get up the floor. Maker has range out to the arc for sure, I read a thing about him yesterday that said he has taken about 3PFGA per game so far in summer league. They had some tape on him, he runs like a fucking deer. I thought he'd be a great value as a mid-first and a steal if he went in the late 20s as projected by some. I don't know if 10 is a huge reach but a 19 year old kid being draw doesn't seem like a knock to me. That's normal.

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75. "If he's anywhere near 19, he's a huge steal"
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It's pretty clear that dude is at least going to be
solid as a player

ANd if he's 19, he might be really good

  

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87. "I don't care how old he is, I mean he is not 30 or anything"
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If he had a Dominican Little League birth certificate, IDGAF, this ain't Williamsport.

I knew he would rise and I get why the Bucks took him, but we'll see. I usually like risers in deep drafts (NHL, MLB, even NFL sometimes) but in the NBA sometimes the GMs get too excited over potential.

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108. "Yea Gorgui Deng was old, and def has proven worth a 1st rounder"
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>If he had a Dominican Little League birth certificate, IDGAF,
>this ain't Williamsport.
>
>I knew he would rise and I get why the Bucks took him, but
>we'll see. I usually like risers in deep drafts (NHL, MLB,
>even NFL sometimes) but in the NBA sometimes the GMs get too
>excited over potential.

If a guy is good, you draft him

This projecting to the future shit is really challenging

  

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49. "Minnesota, followed by N.O....then Milwaukee and Detroit are similar"
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Minnesota has what looks like a franchise player, and the other 3 look to have all star potential too.

Davis alone puts N.O. up there. He's a legit All NBA player, who has already carried a weak team to the playoffs in the West. Having a guy like that puts them ahead of Milwaukee and Detroit, even though their young cores are clearly better overall. Ultimately you need that superstar player to truly get over, and even though NO doesn't have anything else....they do have that superstar.

Giannis could develop into that level of player, and if he does then Milwaukee surpasses them and is battling Minnesota for #1. I think I like Wiggins, Lavine, and Dunn a little better than the Bucks other guys though.

Detroit is similar to Milwaukee, though further along at this point. It's strictly me liking Giannis' all around game and potential ceiling a little more than Drummond's that gives them a small edge.

  

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56. "Drummond was just named All NBA tho. EDIT: fuck this"
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Anthony Davis was not

*im no longer calling Anthony Davis "AD"

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57. "AD got hurt, and his team sucked"
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Drummond was healthy and his team did well.

AD is the better player though.

Plus....different positions. Making All NBA as a forward is significantly harder than as a C.

  

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58. "And?"
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"Legit All NBA player" is not a distinction one should use to differentiate Davis and Drummond unless its the opposite way

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59. "And I guess I should have worded it differently"
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And instead said "legit franchise player", or "legit top 6-7 player" because I think Davis is both of those.

I guess I said "All NBA" because I had his first team selection from 2015 in mind, but what I really meant was one of the elite players in the game.

Drummond is a beast, but I don't see him quite being on that level.

  

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61. "No. Fucking. EXCUSES. "
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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62. "gee in that corner and samardo on that block (c) some guy making excuses"
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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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73. "yup...the standard is now set thanks to that dumb shit"
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i don't care who has who from now on. all these so-called young greats better be in the postseason.

and they better have a ring by 24.

NO EXCUSES!

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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84. "Davis has already been 1st team, and taken a wack team to the playoffs"
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I'm just giving reasons why he didnt make all NBA, and why Drummond's 3rd team selection doesnt mean he's the better player.

  

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85. "wack team, as in ROY Tyreke, AS Jrue, Ryan Anderson, Gordon, etc?"
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i will NEVER take your backhanded-hatin-on-kyrie ass seriously when you say stuff like this.

the cavs were TRASH before bron went home. i mean, they were TRASH.

look at this roster and compare it to ANY pre-bron cavs team. it ain't close. anthony davis ain't taking alonzo gee ass nowhere and i can state that as fact, because he ain't do it THIS YEAR.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOP/2015.html

injuries schminjuries. y'all held that shit against kyrie, too. maybe he just INJURY PRONE...remember that?

NO EXCUSES.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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91. "Jrue played 40 games, Eric Gordon in 2015? Who cares?"
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Davis is better than Kyrie....since you brought him up for some reason.

  

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92. "cool...he should win a title by 24. if not...you're just wrong. "
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and that's how you play "NO EXCUSES!"

gordon woulda been the second best player on the cavs any of kyrie's first three seasons.

jrue PLAYED 40 games...and?

didn't ryan anderson play? didn't tyreke? wasn't asik and his 10 boards there?

ALL of them were better than anything in cleveland not named kyrie.

AD will be 24 in march. good luck with that.

edit: BTW, re-read. i didn't bring up AD. you did that.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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93. "so Tristan Thompson is better than Davis, Drummond, etc."
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because his team won a title. Got it.

LOL at "good luck"....I dont care about AD. Just pointing out the obvious here.

  

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94. "not my fault you so mad you compared a 7 footer to a 6-3 guy. "
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AD "better" than steph, for real for real. steph has accomplished more than him.

so has kyrie.

now, you can play with that any way you need to, but you gon always come back to this...

kyrie has accomplished more than him.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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95. "nah....you brought Kyrie up for some weird reason"
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Shoehorning him in, once again.

  

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96. "of course i brought him up...he's the reason we have "NO EXCUSES""
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do i have to up all those threads?

great players are supposed to make SCRUBS better than what they are and get their teams to the playoffs...NO EXCUSES!

great players are supposed to stay healthy...NO EXCUSES!

great players are supposed to be leaders, no matter how young they are...NO EXCUSES!!!!

yeah...kyrie got ALL THAT.

y'all really think i be joking, huh?

i'll say it once again: if you ACT STUPID with me, i have no choice but to take it further than you. y'all acted stupid for YEARS. all them little jokey jokes about kyrie.

cool...now every young player with a HINT of greatness in him gotta be held to that standard.

thank you. you all did me a favor.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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97. "I'm LMAO because you just said I was "mad""
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And then go and make a post like that.

  

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98. "man, you wrote SEVERAL raps to defend a scrub...come down"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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99. "Had a lot of fun doing it too"
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101. "bet it wasn't fun watching dion be what i said he was"
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bet it REALLY wasn't fun watching kyrie be what i said he was.

you lost.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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102. "I enjoyed watching Dion have some good moments in the playoffs"
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Kyrie is the exact same player that he was.

  

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104. "dion a BUM, dogg. austin rivers better than him GOOD!"
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you ain't know kyrie was worth 27-4-4 and a GW in a finals. you ain't know and you ain't wanna know, because that meant admitting you dug yourself a hole in your opinion of him from jump.

and you still in that hole, doubling down at every opportunity.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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105. "nah and nah"
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I knew Kyrie was one of the more talented scorers in the league. And on that team he can just do what he's good at.

  

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Basaglia
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106. "and i knew dion was low-end role player"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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68. "Pelicans roster looks like KG supporting cast in Minny"
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Jrue/Buddy are the equivalent of Terrell Brandon/Wally

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SoulHonky
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71. "Let's see if Buddy is Anthony Peeler before we say he's World"
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And I was no fan of Wally.

And Brandon was better than Jrue and Billups was definitely better.

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justin_scott
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72. "SMH. Buddy hasn't even played a real game yet."
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you cant compare him to a guy like Wally until he at least gets a season or two in.

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74. "The Lakers have more players under 25 than that "
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on the roster who have already contributed in the NBA in Black and Nance Jr.

  

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83. "and Zubak.... "
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really solid summer league on both ends of the floor..

Lakers had him as #19 on their board and he looks like a player already...

  

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89. "you got a generous sliding scale for contribution"
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>on the roster who have already contributed in the NBA in
>Black and Nance Jr.

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78. "so many moving parts/variables..but I still say Philly by year 2-3"
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Hopefully year won will show some development throughout, with coaching getting a working good figure of how who plays with who at what position & perhaps as importantly as Simmons' development is Embiid just staying healthy.

  

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82. "T WOlves and Bucks to me got the right stack"
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just balancing out parts
and maybe making a move to tweak here and there, however the T WOlves to me once they ditch Ricky R, might be on to something IMO.
Bucks got crazy upside gonna see what this year brings.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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88. "They look good but I bet neither amounts to anything over time."
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The Wolves are mostly a dysfunctional organization and the Bucks have some challenges there, too.

Both teams have a lot of talent but I am not sure how well it fits together. I see what they are going for but it doesn't really materialize on the court.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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90. "Wolves cleaned house"
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I mean Taylor is still the owner, but he wants to sell, so the country club days are gone. Rob Moore (Taylor's former son-in-law) and Rob Babcock (of Toronto fame) were shown the door last month. Thibs is starting fresh with his own people. Well, he kept Flip's son on the coaching staff, but that more of a courtesy to the man who assembled the roster.

  

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Dr Claw
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109. "Dammit."
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I like Minnesota, but Milwaukee.... Giannis + Bari is gonna be a problem

  

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okayplayery
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110. "Is that how coddled golden boys look? Isiah looking at him like he saw t..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJL9AUC5NEI

Peep how he dropped the knowledge on beating the Warriors at 3:09

  

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112. "Wiggins frying Winslow courtesy of Zach Harper"
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https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/785241547138748417

https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/785245264487419904

that game is on youtube BTW:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUNhSGS9QyI

  

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113. "That's not even close to being a thing. "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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Basaglia
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114. "it is now......i'll take bari off wiggins duty and put justise there now..."
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bari gonna be too good to be wasting on a high-dribbling homeless man bush bamma anyway.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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115. "Bari vs Winslow is more fitting. "
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Wiggins has been head and shoulders above Jabari, and one of them giant's from Game of Thrones's head and shoulders above Justise.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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Basaglia
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116. "wiggins been healthy. bari wasn't until after break last year. "
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when bari went down in 2014, he was outplaying wiggins.

it's fine. season starting.

____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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117. "http://tinyurl.com/j6ahwjk"
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http://tinyurl.com/j6ahwjk

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