Yung Spice
Rose
Russy

I think they're about even when it comes to injury-proneness and Steph's three point shooting makes up for the lack of finishing at the rim and mid range shot. Kyrie is more athletic and has a higher ceiling, though.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

they came up last year

and if they can get a whole season from Lee/Bogut

watch out now

The Splash Brothers, Iggy, Lee and Bogut is a strong starting 5

I liked what I saw from Barnes and Draymond last year too

I'm pulling for them to come out of the west

looks like a HOU/GS WCF

Young Spice gonna keep getting playoff Ws while Kyrie will be headed to the lottery again.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

-By in large, Bogut's return from injury was the reason why the Dubs defense drastically improved during their late season playoff run. One tweaked ankle & you can put a fork in their paint defense...especially considering David Lee has no interest in enforcing the paint.....they are much like the Fat Gasol/Z-Bo tandem.

-Now that they have lost Jarret Jack, they can't afford to lose Spice for long stretches.....they really don't have a backup that can run the PnR w/ Lee.

Bonus: I've always been an Iggy fan but he has always been a bit overrated to me and isn't that an much upgrade over Barnes. Nonetheless, the Dubs system will fit him well since he isn't being asked to be a scorer. He will just play D & play point-forward..two thing he does well at an elite level......the rest is a bonus @ 14mill per.

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y'all scoffed that he could even be in the conversation. now, for two years since summer 2011, i've watched scandalous bitches, who admitted they didn't know much about him because of his shortened college career, build anti-kyrie agendas from the ground up, talmbout he can't he fat, he slow, can't pass and he cut down time and time again.

all these young niggas (lillard, wall, kemba, lawson who WERE and ARE supposed to be on his level shoulda brought they shit this summer at team USA camp...what happened? he was the best nigga there....BY FAR. forget the game...not the game...i'm talmbout PRACTICE...we already know what happened in the game...i'm TALMBOUT A WHOLE WEEK OF PRACTICE TO PROVE IT!...what happened? he shitted on them.

and he coming for rose, paul...he done got in russ and rondo ass MULTIPLE TIMES since entering the league.

y'all don't get it...i'm not worried. Y'ALL ARE. you niggas been shook every since you got a GOOD look and realized what he was. it bothers you.

and i'mma party. unmercifully.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

i for one am shocked.

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Mo Williams actually made the playoffs...

He could get more than 6 assists a game as well.

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before he got hurt

>before he got hurt

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move him to the two guard his team performance will be better.

And everybody will want to take Wall i mean Dion is looking at Beal and has tears in his eyes on why can't his pg not be able to be like Wall.

What I'd like to have right now is for all you fat, out of shape, small dick niggas to keep the noise down while I take my robe off and show all the ladies what a real man is supposed to look like (C) Ravishing Rick Rude

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and it was (for me) because of his brief college career

but

from what I saw in the tourney that year, I knew he was a baller and could very well end up being Duke's/Coach K's all-time best player at the pro level.

Right today, I'd take him over Westbrook, for sure. I think Kyrie/Durant could work well together, moreso than Russy/Durant.

The only PGs I'd take over him under 25...is Rose (barely...and I mean barely) and it's a push w/Curry and Kyrie. Time is going to tell real soon who's the better player of the two - but for me I go back and forth.

grassrootsphilosopher

I mean actually watch it.

Playoffs and all

Because if you do, then Rose, Curry, Westbrook are on a different level than Kyrie.


Kyrie will fit in with the Harlem Globetrotters well, but even then I would fear the Washington Generals would beat them with him running point.

>I mean actually watch it.
>
>Playoffs and all
>
>Because if you do, then Rose, Curry, Westbrook are on a
>different level than Kyrie.

ALL those players are on better teams, sherlock, and none of those players w/the exception Curry play w/the control of Kyrie - Kyrie's already a BETTER FLOOR GENERAL than either Rose or Westbrook...if only because he doesn't shoot as much as they do and he does look to get his teammates involved.

As far as Steph Curry concerned, he's been in the postseason all but *ONE* season and while he did have a phenomenal playoff run vs Denver and somewhat vs the Spurs before he got injured, that's still too premature to use as a reason why anyone would say he's better than Kyrie.

By the end of this season, I have no doubt that you and whoever thinks like you will be talking differently abt Kyrie's place amongst those PGs you mentioned.
>
>
>Kyrie will fit in with the Harlem Globetrotters well, but even
>then I would fear the Washington Generals would beat them with
>him running point.

and you're asking me if I watch basketball...lol

grassrootsphilosopher

Ok




Noted



I guess Cavs have no excuse but to have a better record than Golden State since Kyrie has a team now.


This season will be interesting.


Kyrie has talent, we all see that, but don't let ESPN talk you into another L.

sportwriters that season having a'Bron backlash' after 'the decision' and because the Bulls finished w/the best record in the league and Rose was the best player on that team

but

we saw how those same Bulls pretty much got the 1st seed *AGAIN* w/Rose who missed significant gms the following season.

As far as the records go, I do see the Cavs improving but this team is still young and who knows what they're going get out of Bynum and how healthy is Varejao going to be this year - what abt Bennett? no one knows if he's NBA ready yet

but

trust, they're going to be better if all the key players stay healthy.

Curry has Thompson and David Lee, one is an emerging all-star and the other already is. Kyrie has NO equivalent on the Cavs to that.

grassrootsphilosopher

"the Bulls finished w/the best record in the league and Rose was the best player on that team"

uh, that's usually how it goes

so no, you're wrong, he deserved the MVP

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it wasn't like the Heat were in 8th place that season, they did finish *2nd* and Lebron had better numbers than Rose in every major statistical category...

we all got to see once Rose started missing a significant amount of gms that following season w/nagging injuries that it was really abt Thibadeau's system than it was abt Rose being the MVP of that team and the league because they more than stayed afloat w/o him, they held down the no.1 seed and finished w/the BEST RECORD in the league AGAIN.

grassrootsphilosopher

Rose played 39 of 66 games (roughly 60%)

Games played WITH Rose 32-7 (82% winning)
Games played WITHOUT Rose 18-9 (66% winning)

And a LOT of the teams they beat without him were ass (CHA 3x, Tor 2x, Wash, Det, Sac, NJ, Orl <--10 of those 18 wins).

He makes a big difference. Let's not miminize it to make a point.

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>Rose played 39 of 66 games (roughly 60%)
>
>Games played WITH Rose 32-7 (82% winning)
>Games played WITHOUT Rose 18-9 (66% winning)
>
>And a LOT of the teams they beat without him were ass (CHA 3x,
>Tor 2x, Wash, Det, Sac, NJ, Orl <--10 of those 18 wins).
>
>He makes a big difference. Let's not miminize it to make a
>point.


They wont pay attention to this^^^...They will ignore it...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

...and still in the draft lottery

can CLE break 30?

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w/o him in the 2011-12 season goes to show he wasn't really the MVP of the *league* - maybe the Bulls MVP but the league's MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/granderson-120406/chicago-bulls-2012-success-

>Rose played 39 of 66 games (roughly 60%)
>
>Games played WITH Rose 32-7 (82% winning)
>Games played WITHOUT Rose 18-9 (66% winning)

A 66% winning pct. w/o the "mvp" proves my point lol
>
>And a LOT of the teams they beat without him were ass (CHA 3x,
>Tor 2x, Wash, Det, Sac, NJ, Orl <--10 of those 18 wins).

and as the article pointed out, some of those wins were against top teams...like the Heat and the Celtics
>
>He makes a big difference. Let's not miminize it to make a
>point.
>
>

grassrootsphilosopher

and because the Bulls finished w/the best record in
>the league and Rose was the best player on that team
>

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>Kyrie will fit in with the Harlem Globetrotters well, but even
>then I would fear the Washington Generals would beat them with
>him running point.

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...in this case, I'm speaking more on Basa's talent than Kyrie's. Getting people to vocally double-down on their anti-Kyrie platforms at this moment in time is a savvy move. The more often they're forced to repeat themselves publicly, the more likely they are to exaggerate for effect and drift into some truly indefensible territory. I figure we're 30 or so posts away from someone claiming Kyle Lowry >>> Kyrie.

My only stance on Kyrie is that I look forward to watching him play basketball on television. I've seen him play like 2 NBA games. He was fun to watch. He figures to be even more fun to watch when he has some teammates on the plus-side of awful.

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I remember his rookie year, tuning into to watch him against the 6ers

mostly because of Ba's agenda and Holiday/Kyrie matchup

Jrue ate his lunch, and then CLE sat him

I saw him get off on the LAL last year

but most guards did

I mean there's gotta be a way to quantify Ba's fuckery

Team USA practice?

c'mon

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I could see his emergence

and

this dude ate Rondo's lunch, as well as most of the point guards in the league, in a way I haven't seen any point guard do - including Rose whose had some great gms vs Rondo

Kyrie's game differs from Rose and Westbrook in that he doesn't have neither's explosiveness but what he lacks in explosivness he makes up for w/excellent ball handling skills and the niftiest moves to get any shot he wants, he does this better than anyone in the league...already w/the exception of maybe Tony Parker.

His outside shooting has improved by leaps and bounds, too.

grassrootsphilosopher

I do know that right today, I'd rather have Kyrie over just abt any PG in the league except for CP3 and TP and maaaaaaybe Rose

but

he's coming for all those dudes headz this season, watch...

grassrootsphilosopher

We already know he gonna shoot better from three and the line.

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Curry - Bigger, Better Shooter, Better Point Guard
Russy - 100 x Better defender, Better Point Guard
Rose - The closest, but the fact he actually tries to defend gets him over the line.

rose just got back, even post-ankle-freakout curry is on that steve nash, and russy is still developing his game too.

pick any one of the four and it's a good answer.

it's great that the league keeps being able to showcase and develop this talent though.

Rose, Westbrook, and Curry may all still be a little better than him(we'll see), but not sure I'd take them over him going forward.

Rose and Westbrook are more reliant on their athleticism so when they get older and that starts to go, they probably won't be the special players they are now. Irving's skills should keep him at an elite level longer, provided he stays healthy enough.

Curry and Kyrie is tough....both great shooters, but Curry has got him there. Kyrie's got the better handle. They're both score first PG's. Both have injury concerns.

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I mean we have a post where a perennial cellar dweller is chosen over PGs who've all taken their teams deep into the playoffs. This truly is bizarro world. I'm still waiting for the combo guard to have an nba season above 500 (which i think will happen within the next 2 seasons BTW) But I guess I just have weird expectations of franchise PG.

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lebron and KD could take bad teams to the playoffs for their first two years either. i keep saying this and it keeps getting bypassed.

i know why y'all ignore it tho. because you have to.


bottomline: y'all running outta time. better get on board or shut the fuck up.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>lebron and KD could take bad teams to the playoffs for their
>first two years either. i keep saying this and it keeps
>getting bypassed.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

i used to cyse melo always making the playoffs too...when i still thought he could be one of the GOATS. it's like y'all so hurt you've forgotten i used to ride for the dude on this board. now you using silly lil asides to find some correlation that can give you ammo in your ongoing, completely desperate, unnecessary and unwanted defense of the dude.

durant and bron played on garbage ass teams their first couple of years and they couldn't carry those teams to the playoffs. kyrie has suffered the same fate his first couple. that's the only thing y'all need to be reading into that. there is NO WAY POSSIBLE that that LOOOOOONG ESTABLISHED fact (note: established by ME, on THIS board, when ****I**** was riding for melo) can be used to help melo's legacy in 2013.

so...again, i'm sorry he soiled himself in those 4th quarters and cost his teams win and some OKS posters--most notably you two--their sanity, but you can't keep derailing 99% of basketball threads with your bellyaching.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

I'm not a melo fan..i'm a knick fan. When you post nonsense about melo and then contradict yourself, I can't help but notice.

don't worry, you not the only one that does it tho.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

i just explained why there's NO contradiction.

be logical.

in 2013, melo gets criticized for not playing WINNING basketball and for his teams leaving earlier than expected. that's IT. he has YEARS of his teams not playing to seed.

now, if you think bron's, KD's and kyrie's first couple of seasons have something to do with melo's lack of growth as a player and his team's dissapointments, then you are just MAD and can't be helped.

and you ARE a knicks fan. the fucking knicks.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

of not playing to seed?

you talking about 2006 when the clippers had a better record and home court advantage? lol if you using that you are extremely desperate.

When you have a winning argument there is no need to be inconsistent and blatantly contradict yourself across topics.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

they were seeded higher...play to it.

you done derailed a thread with your damn feelings.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

a team with a better record. lol

ok... you desperate.

its obvious.

i've never heard anyone else with a play to seed argument. Most people look at the teams and say who's better. But keep trumping your play to seed argument. A few idiots will follow along.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

http://www.ibtimes.com/nba-2012-2013-preview-predictions-standings-awards-finals-winner-more-856309

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/20737434/cbssportscom-2012-2013-nba-playoff-predictions

So yeah, Carmelo overachieved.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Stay consistent. If he's the best scorer he's underachieved for most of his career, by your reasoning.

But we got plenty time to discuss Melo's failures. This about up and coming guys....well, it's actually about one prodigy being hated on by niggas who tryna cyse some "peers" that are 4 and 5 years older than him. Steph JUST had a breakout year. Bamma bout to be 26. baby Ky just got old enough to buy beer.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>Stay consistent. If he's the best scorer he's underachieved
>for most of his career, by your reasoning.

Nah, he's not the "best" scorer. He is a fantastic scorer,
though. And his having a splendid career.

>But we got plenty time to discuss Melo's failures. This about
>up and coming guys....well, it's actually about one prodigy
>being hated on by niggas who tryna cyse some "peers" that are
>4 and 5 years older than him. Steph JUST had a breakout year.
>Bamma bout to be 26. baby Ky just got old enough to buy beer.

Steph's team was a 6-seed in strong West.

Kyrie can do 5-seed at worst in a terrible East.

And the Cavs will certainly end up with a much better
record than the Knicks.

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tanking was cleveland's best option, even if they didn't draft super well.

okc tanked before and during russy's first season and had talent stockpiled to win. cleveland doesn't gain anything by winning 45 and becoming portland.

Kyrie had a .318 winning percentage his first season. Russy had a .280 winning percentage his first season, and that was alongside a second-year Durant. So that answers that, honestly.

As for Rose, it's slightly harder to tell, but he joined a team that was four games away from the playoffs the year before with four top-ten picks all under the age of 25 already on the roster. Kyrie joined a team whose best asset was a 35 year old Antawn Jamison. If you don't think Rose entered a much much more advantageous position... not sure what you were watching.

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... I have no problem with someone choosing any of those three. Depending on what your team needs, either Rose, Russy, Curry, or Kyrie could absolutely be your ideal #1 over the others.

My point above wasn't "Kyrie >>> Rose/Russy." My point was merely, just because he went into a shitty situation for his first two years doesn't negate the actual talent, which people who watch Cleveland play can see extremely clearly. That's changed this year with Bennett, the addition of Jack and possibly Bynum (I'm skeptical re: the latter), and Waiters and Thompson, both of whom looked very eh at the start of last season but gradually progressed and by season' send looked exciting and strong. Now that he has the type of talent Rose and Russy had for their initial playoff appearances, expect playoffs as well.

It's easy to see why someone would choose either of the other three, if solely for the experience-- it's easier to invest in what you've seen already in terms of results, they've played in the league longer and are thus farther along in their progression as players. I can't be mad if someone picks a young Top 5 PG in the league instead of Kyrie entering his third season.

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Lmao

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

what rose, kyrie, bron and durant, as 19 and 20 year-olds, would have done with kyrie's shitty cleveland teams their first two season HAS NOTHING to do with what melo DIDN'T DO in 2013.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

so i guess rondo better make them playoffs huh?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

what part of that are you missing?

melo's teammates helped them secure a #2 seed. couldn't have been that bad.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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but when they lose in the playoffs its all on melo?

Can't have it both ways. Melo either gets all the credit AND blame or it gets shared.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

oh.


your agenda just flopped dude.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Franchise players, dude. It is what it is.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Franchise players get all the glory and all the blame. Again... It is what it is.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

so how do you explain that????

AND

you just gave Melo teammates credit for getting the knicks a 2 seed?

how does that work basa. Shouldn't melo get all the credit?

INCONSISTENCY!!!!

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