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vee-lover
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"30 For 30: No Mas (Leonard vs Duran)"


  

          

This is one I really want to see this one tonite

I've heard stories why Duran quit in the no.#2 besides just being frustrated w/not being able to hit Leonard.

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I wonder if they'll go into the various theories
Oct 15th 2013
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i watched their fights back then and on the real
Oct 15th 2013
2
if you really compared all the guys you're talking about.....
Oct 15th 2013
4
      did you read what i wrote about Duran Man?...
Oct 15th 2013
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It's going to be special
Oct 15th 2013
3
on now
Oct 15th 2013
5
sugar ray leonard look like a washed up dirty crip
Oct 15th 2013
6
nowadays yeah, however in his prime and peak he was
Oct 15th 2013
11
shiiiit REAL TALK my mom loooooved her some SRL
Oct 15th 2013
12
lol
Oct 16th 2013
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I kept expectations low, but this is VERY good so far.
Oct 15th 2013
7
great ep
Oct 15th 2013
8
More Mike Tyson Please
Oct 15th 2013
9
yep yep (c) Teddy Riley
Oct 15th 2013
13
Tyson has a show
Oct 16th 2013
15
      RE: Tyson has a show
Oct 16th 2013
32
      And its great, too - tune in every week to watch
Oct 16th 2013
33
Excellent but I didn't really understand what Leonard
Oct 16th 2013
14
Didn't care for it...
Oct 16th 2013
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Yeah, they also thought he was washed up for the first fight
Oct 16th 2013
18
Everything I remembered from it was on Ray.
Oct 16th 2013
19
Exactly why I didn't care for it in the end...
Oct 16th 2013
20
but because of all the speculative reasons why Duran quit, I could see
Oct 16th 2013
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but why frame the doc from that perspective when you know the
Oct 16th 2013
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You guys are forgetting that this is Roberto Fucking Duran.
Oct 16th 2013
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RE: You guys are forgetting that this is Roberto Fucking Duran.
Oct 16th 2013
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      Duran is one of the most viciously pugilistic humans in history.
Oct 16th 2013
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      RE: You guys are forgetting that this is Roberto Fucking Duran.
Oct 16th 2013
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I think most would take from it that the rematch was expidited to
Oct 17th 2013
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Seeing that documentary reminded me of the glory years of boxing
Oct 16th 2013
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SRL would trade careers with Floyd Mayweather in a heartbeat
Oct 16th 2013
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yeah, for the goo gobs of money Floyd has made, but I'm sure Ray
Oct 16th 2013
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Floyd made more in 2013 than SRL in his entire career.
Oct 16th 2013
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      So did Mike Tyson and he has nowhere near what he
Oct 16th 2013
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      Nah, Floyd is carrying boxing all by himself.
Oct 16th 2013
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      which really says more abt the state of boxing than it does Floyd
Oct 16th 2013
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           Actually, its says everything about Floyd's greatness.
Oct 16th 2013
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                smfh..he just fought a man 13 ys his junior and 15 lbs heavier
Oct 16th 2013
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                You mean a guy that no one thought had a real chance of beating
Oct 16th 2013
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                     You mad mardigans always kill yourselves with numbers
Oct 16th 2013
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                     RE: You mad mardigans always kill yourselves with numbers
Oct 17th 2013
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                     Nah, Canelo was a very big threat. Floyd is just great.
Oct 16th 2013
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                          k
Oct 17th 2013
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                          RE: Nah, Canelo was a very big threat. Floyd is just great.
Oct 17th 2013
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                               So there are no good fights for Floyd then?
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    no, correction: there's no *great* fight(ers) out there for Floyd which
Oct 17th 2013
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                                         So Floyd's not close to being in his prime but dominated Canelo...
Oct 17th 2013
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                                              Floyd's greatness is in his longevity, versatility, dominance
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                   I'm agreeing with you
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                        I know, wrong place
Oct 18th 2013
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                Floyd has NEVER beaten a great fighter in their prime - Teddy Atlas
Oct 16th 2013
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                     so you mean that if he hadn't gotten fucked up, he'd be viewed different...
Oct 16th 2013
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                          yeah, by a guy that was more than likely using PEDS
Oct 16th 2013
44
                               just stop
Oct 16th 2013
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                               hell yeah because Marquez has a guy who is synonymous w/peds
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    lol
Oct 17th 2013
84
                                         you're not making sense
Oct 17th 2013
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                               Marquez actually outboxed Manny the previous 3 times
Oct 16th 2013
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                                    ok, and? Marquez is an all-time great and despite what you said
Oct 17th 2013
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                                         What about the other fights, when he was outboxing Pacquiao?
Oct 17th 2013
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                                              you act as if he dominated Pacquiao when most ppl have agreed that
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                   He was fucking Pacquiao up for like, six rounds in a row
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                        k
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                             So glad you finally conceded.
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                             http://tinyurl.com/mbgvsg8
Oct 18th 2013
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      that hate is strong
Oct 16th 2013
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      A 2013 $ aint the same as a 1983 $
Oct 18th 2013
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If we're talking about who the greater fighters are..a guy making money
Oct 16th 2013
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      Ray Leonard got fucked up by Duran, who was *smaller* than him
Oct 16th 2013
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           Ray Leonard had TKO stoppages against Duran....Hearns....Benitez
Oct 17th 2013
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                Different styles. Floyd took way less punishment
Oct 17th 2013
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                     Floyd was naturally smaller than SRL, by a LOT.
Oct 17th 2013
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                          who lights was he puttin out???
Oct 17th 2013
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                               TKO against Corrales, who people were actually comparing to Duran
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    anyone who compared Corrales to Duran knows nothing about
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    foh - Corrales was nowhere close to Duran LOL...more like Pipino
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    Again....you started watching boxing in 2007.
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    Cuevas and Corrales would be an accurate comparison..
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    Chico didn't beat anyone before the PBF bout
Oct 17th 2013
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                                         can you believe he actually compared Corrales to Duran - lmao
Oct 17th 2013
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                                         Bwahaha. Yeah, you started watching boxing in 2007
Oct 17th 2013
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                                              I watched him enough to know damn well he wasn't in Duran's league
Oct 17th 2013
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                                              Manny got fucked up real, real bad.
Oct 17th 2013
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                                              Chico was just a hyped fighter plain & simple
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                   Bwahahahahahahahhah this nigga said JEFF LACY!!!!!
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                   The only difference was that one was Latina the other wasn't
Oct 19th 2013
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                                                        WROOOONNNNNGGG!!!!!
Oct 19th 2013
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                                                             LMAO.....Chico was 130 when he fought May....that ain't lightweight
Oct 20th 2013
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                                                                  You said Chico was Jeffy Lacy : - (
Oct 20th 2013
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                                                                       Chico used to weight 140+ on fight night when he fought featherweights
Oct 21st 2013
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                                                   Woow this is some good hate right here
Oct 18th 2013
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                                         You imbeciles weren't boxing fans back then. Trust me.
Oct 17th 2013
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                                              lol...just stop man...the extras u puttin on Corrales are hilarious
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                   Corrales was a pretty big favorite over Mayweather...not a debate
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                        try the "you weren't there; don't remember" argument elsewhere...
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                             Cool, so you admit Corrales was HEAVILY favored against Floyd
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                             absolutely not...He was not heavily favored not at all...
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                                  It's true. Use google
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                                       He was .......but it wasn't like Ali-Foreman
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                             Corrales v mayweather predictions PICKITUP!! (c)tommy Davidson
Oct 18th 2013
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                                                                  thank you....Corrales was NOT heavily favored in that fight
Oct 18th 2013
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                                                                       So basically oe was exaggerating lol...
Oct 19th 2013
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                                                                       Nah, y'all aren't boxing fans.
Oct 19th 2013
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                                                                            apparently you aren't either - not good to lie in this internet age
Oct 19th 2013
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                                                                                 Every fan of boxing knew Corrales was a big favorite. Not debatable.
Oct 19th 2013
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                                                                                 there are a gang of quotes from a bunch of boxing experts
Oct 19th 2013
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                                                                                 Bwahaha @ "Pump Up Floyd." Floyd is one of the greatest ever, homie
Oct 20th 2013
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                                                                                 the person re-writing history is the one comparing Diego to
Oct 20th 2013
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                                                                                 bwahaha now you done resorted to outright lying bwahah
Oct 23rd 2013
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                                                                       it was about even & honestly more "experts" maybe had mw
Oct 20th 2013
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co-sign...
Oct 16th 2013
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      Ray moved up 27 lbs in his pro career
Oct 16th 2013
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           Floyd moved up to fight paper champions...and didn't knock
Oct 16th 2013
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                Nah, you got ethered with the weight argument just now...you log off
Oct 16th 2013
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                     Ray Leonard took the challenge of fighting arguably the greatest
Oct 17th 2013
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                          Bwahaha. SRL got fucked up by a LIGHTWEIGHT.
Oct 17th 2013
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                               and floyd got zero stoppages against any H.O.F.ers in their prime
Oct 17th 2013
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                               Nice to move the goalposts to "stoppages"...bwahahaha
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    if you think calling Roberto Duran a blown up lightweight
Oct 17th 2013
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                               And SRL's loss to Duran was still more impressive than any of Floyd's
Oct 17th 2013
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                                    Nah, SRL got fucked up against a blown up lightweight.
Oct 17th 2013
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                                         ok, but who's better: SRL or Mayweather? I know you hate to admit
Oct 17th 2013
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                                              Here's the funny thing..... Ray's list of opponents.....
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                   Bwahahaha you said Floyd should fight light heavyweights
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                        he should fight ward at 160..... people would rather see that
Oct 17th 2013
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                                                             you need proof of something you were around to see?
Oct 18th 2013
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                                                                  if Diego Corrales was HEAVILY favored over Floyd
Oct 18th 2013
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                                                                       You are not a fan of boxing, so you don't know.
Oct 18th 2013
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                                                                            lolol... yeah...try that with someone else...I was a boxing fan before
Oct 18th 2013
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side post: so why do YOU think he quit?
Oct 16th 2013
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what you said is precisely why I think he quit - but for someone w/his
Oct 16th 2013
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dont even get me started with this shit:
Oct 16th 2013
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      hagler lost, it wasnt even that close.
Oct 16th 2013
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           Wasn't that close? *snickers* igght
Oct 17th 2013
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I do believe, now, that his body quit
Oct 16th 2013
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Bwahhahahhahah!!!! ARCHIVE!!!! Bahahahahaha
Oct 16th 2013
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now i'm not roberto duran, but. . .
Oct 16th 2013
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Lol
Oct 17th 2013
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lol...
Oct 19th 2013
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LMAO
Oct 16th 2013
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he was diminished physically because of what he had
Oct 17th 2013
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i remember Ray Charles lifting the spirits of SRL for that fight
Oct 16th 2013
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lol he ate two hot steaks and had cold water
Oct 17th 2013
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you pussies are so mad that this turned into a bash Floyd thread
Oct 17th 2013
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Don't even sweat em
Oct 18th 2013
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my goodness floyd stans are a sensitive bunch
Oct 19th 2013
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Check the order, shit breaths started going in on Floyd unprovoked
Oct 19th 2013
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solid effort on this ep...
Oct 19th 2013
140
Pretty much
Oct 23rd 2013
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RE: the stark contrast of their current lives
Oct 23rd 2013
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how the hell did yall make this a Floyd hate post?! nm
Oct 20th 2013
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hahahaha... how I miss this shit..
Oct 20th 2013
147

Call It Anything
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1. "I wonder if they'll go into the various theories"
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Frustration, cramps, diarrhea, etc...

  

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2. "i watched their fights back then and on the real"
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while Hitman Hearns was my dawg and he beat Sugar ray the second time and that first fight was pre maturely stopped

and while Haggler got hustled in that fight they had


to me Duran was the only cat who while Sugar Ray was in his prime and Peak could actually go toe to toe with him and throw him off. he was the most complex fighter Sugar Ray leonard ever fought IMO.

Duran had him thinking and it wasn't a picnic.

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4. "if you really compared all the guys you're talking about....."
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as far as most accomplished career.... pound for pound...

you'd have a decent argument to put Roberto Duran ahead of Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns...

Roberto is a top 5 all-time Lightweight...AND Welterweight..... and he beat a pretty good fighter in Iran Barkley to win a Middleweight bout....


Duran was a great great fighter.

  

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10. "did you read what i wrote about Duran Man?..."
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even though Hearns was my Boy back in the day, and Sugar Ray had the cross over(Ie OJ,Jordan,Shaq,Kobe,Lebron,)Love and Haggler was a Great fighter, Duran was something else and he was the most difficult to figure out amongest those cats.

to me that was the last golden era of Boxing the Middleweight division was holding things down with an Apology to Mike Tyson back then, however whenever those 4 were battling i was glued.

Peace

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3. "It's going to be special"
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http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=nomas

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5. "on now"
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6. "sugar ray leonard look like a washed up dirty crip"
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fizzed out curl and all

  

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11. "nowadays yeah, however in his prime and peak he was "
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must see tv and that Lebron James cross over appeal.

Sugar Ray Leonard was Prime time back in the day.

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12. "shiiiit REAL TALK my mom loooooved her some SRL"
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and marvelous marvin hagglar
and tommy hearns
moms is a HUUUUUGE boxin fan and we would be watchin all the fights growin up

  

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16. "lol"
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7. "I kept expectations low, but this is VERY good so far. "
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8. "great ep"
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9. "More Mike Tyson Please"
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I'd watch Mike talk for 30 minutes on just about anything.

  

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13. "yep yep (c) Teddy Riley"
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15. "Tyson has a show"
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on Fox Sports 1 at the moment. I beleive it's an hour long. I forget what time it airs, but Tyson usually live tweets as it's airing.

**edit**

Now that I am remembering, I believe the show aired last night around 9 PM because I saw a bunch of Tyson tweets regarding the show, but was too tired to turn on the TV last night.

  

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32. "RE: Tyson has a show"
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Thanks man! Gonna check that out.

  

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33. "And its great, too - tune in every week to watch"
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14. "Excellent but I didn't really understand what Leonard "
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Meant with that last sentence

  

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17. "Didn't care for it..."
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The footage was good, but they framed this wrong.

Ray and Don threw a bunch of money at him knowing he wouldn't be ready to fight. Not addressing that angle makes the whole thing look suspect.

Can't believe ray needed to know why he quit after all these years.


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18. "Yeah, they also thought he was washed up for the first fight"
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They kind of grazed over it with a "Leonard was a 9 to 5 favorite..." bit, but Duran had been lackluster in his previous fights few fights against second rate competition and his weight was erratic even though he was no longer fighting at 135. They thought it was a name that Ray could cash in on.

  

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19. "Everything I remembered from it was on Ray. "
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He came in and went toe to toe thinking he could bang with durant. And it backfired. Quickly.



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20. "Exactly why I didn't care for it in the end..."
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if they were going to frame it in, there's more to the story than what Duran has offered

and Ray doesn't believe him

the doc never nailed either of these points

IMO, I'm more convinced that Duran's explanation is in fact the truth

'I was the King of New York after the first fight'

'I was partying...etc'

the testimonial from folks that were there, shouts out to Christie Brinkley, reinforce the story

he was 10 pounds over weight a week before the fight

and dropped the lbs over the weekend taking diuretics, etc...

I think Ray has more difficulty accepting No Mas as part of his legacy too, than Duran's explanation

also, there was a body shot, I think in the 5th

I don't know if they added sound effects to the doc to enhance it

but GATDAYUM, that shit sounded like f'n thunder and stopped Duran in his tracks

Duran's conditioning and explanation are easier for me to accept now

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21. "but because of all the speculative reasons why Duran quit, I could see"
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why Leonard wanted to see if Duran would provide another explanation as to why he quit since its been over 30 yrs now...

like he said, at that time instead of all the talk being abt how he fought his fight the 2nd time around and completely bedevilled Duran, it was all abt Duran quitting in what has still remained the bizarre ending to a big time prize fight.

And as far as Don King throwing a lot of money at Duran to take a rushed 2nd fight, I don't believe that factored into why Leonard wanted a re-match so suddenly. I think he wanted to exercise those demons and then to prove to those doubters that he could beat Duran if he fought the fight he was expected to fight. He fought a VERY, VERY tought fight in the 1st match on Duran's terms; I really believe Duran could've had a years time to prepare and he still wasn't going to beat Sugar Ray Leonard in that 2nd fight.

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25. "but why frame the doc from that perspective when you know the "
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answer

or at least, you know the answer that Duran is going to give you

he even said it, Ray can come here 100,000X and I'll tell him the same thing 100,000X and he still wont' be satisfied

and IMO, there is a story there

the EGO of Ray

Duran said the media made up No Mas, that he never actually said those words

they spun the story to Duran quitting

so Ray's battle is with the media, not Duran

he won the belt, nothing can change that

Ray's ego wants the story to be how he conquered the indestructable, how he broke the will of Manos De Piedra

and, based on the doc, it doesn't look like that's what happened

he wasn't in proper fighting shape after partying like a rock star after the first fight

if Ray wanted to squash that, he could have taken a 3rd fight

instead of being the Egomaniac he is, and making Duran wait 10 years

even Mike said Duran redeemed himself by the results from his career after that fight

if Ray wanted to remove the doubt from No Mas, he could have taken a 3rd fight

but his Ego made Duran wait a decade

same shit he did to Hagler

instead of framing the doc around some uncovered explanation, they could have gone into Ray's psyche, and why he can't be happy without Duran saying, you broke my will Ray, or something like that

IMO, the doc kinda sullies the perception that Ray indeed did frustrate Duran, broke his will, etc...

Duran was out of shape.

Ray's Ego might want to leave it alone

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24. "You guys are forgetting that this is Roberto Fucking Duran. "
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All that shit you just said was bullshit

He knows how to prepare for a fight

Few people in history have fought better

Few have been in more wars

He fucking QUIT in the middle of a fight he
wasn't even being beaten that badly in

"He was partying" and "he was not ready" is not
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28. "RE: You guys are forgetting that this is Roberto Fucking Duran. "
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>
>All that shit you just said was bullshit
>
>He knows how to prepare for a fight
>
>Few people in history have fought better
>
>Few have been in more wars
>
>He fucking QUIT in the middle of a fight he
>wasn't even being beaten that badly in
>
>"He was partying" and "he was not ready" is not
>an excuse
>
>----------------------------


You have SRL slyly throw it out there that he knew duran wasn't in shape and ready to fight speeding up said process. And you find out after the fight that duran had his big payday in his pockets days before the rematch.


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30. "Duran is one of the most viciously pugilistic humans in history. "
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>You have SRL slyly throw it out there that he knew duran
>wasn't in shape and ready to fight speeding up said process.
>And you find out after the fight that duran had his big payday
>in his pockets days before the rematch.

He literally fought until his body broke down, and was
decent until he was old as fuck solely because he enjoyed
the act of fighting more than anyone I've ever seen

Ain't no pussy and wine in New York, or a fucking payday
gonna temper that

THE BEST QUESTION of the documentary was when the Panamanian
cat said: "Why didn't he quit in any of the fights before or
after that?" Duran was DESTROYED in some fights later in his
career, and walked RIGHT through walls with no problem,
kept it up, and went down slinging.

Why did he decide to GIVE THE FUCK UP in the MIDDLE of the
SRL fight?!??

Money and beer and pussy?

No, guys.

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31. "RE: You guys are forgetting that this is Roberto Fucking Duran. "
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But SRL also had trouble making weight, too, and talked abt that on '1st Take' and he wanted to get the rematch as soon as possible.


>You have SRL slyly throw it out there that he knew duran
>wasn't in shape and ready to fight speeding up said process.
>And you find out after the fight that duran had his big payday
>in his pockets days before the rematch.

but that still doesn't explain the sudden QUITTING. Its one thing to not train for the fight, or to even speculate he threw the fight w/the plan being a re-match for the rubber match, but someone like Duran, who was a very proud fighter, to quit is inexplicable and only hurt or at least tainted his legacy somewhat.

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67. "I think most would take from it that the rematch was expidited to "
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take advantage of the fact that Duran would not be in top physical condition...


but really Ray and Roberto squashed all of this a lot time ago.... Ray didn't need closure....

  

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22. "Seeing that documentary reminded me of the glory years of boxing"
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in the 80s

but

it also brought back those memories of what made SRL so special as a fighter and must-see tv.

I was glad Tyson was included to provide his expert opinion on that fight but in particular abt the type of fighter SRL was. The knock that some ppl have of Floyd today couldn't be said abt Ray Leonard.

I remember being a kid, and even though he lost that 1st fight, how he showed ppl (including my pops) that behind the innocent good looks was a *FIGHTER* at heart was what I remembered most abt that fight - even though he still lost.

And not to mention, unlike Floyd, he fought the best when they were in their primes. He could've easily dodged Duran and Hearns for a few years but he took on those challenges when they presented themselves.

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23. "SRL would trade careers with Floyd Mayweather in a heartbeat"
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Like, in an instant.

Floyd Mayweather is the envy of anyone to ever step
into the ring. Anyone suggesting otherwise is a liar.

  

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26. "yeah, for the goo gobs of money Floyd has made, but I'm sure Ray"
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ain't hurting for money nor does he seem badly damaged physically from all the wars he was in and he will always be revered more as a fighter than Floyd and no matter how much Floyd proclaims himself the GOAT, he knows ppl don't put him above SRL.

I think more than any other fighter, Ray Leonard's legacy is the one Floyd has been chasing after the most.

>Like, in an instant.
>
>Floyd Mayweather is the envy of anyone to ever step
>into the ring. Anyone suggesting otherwise is a liar.
>

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27. "Floyd made more in 2013 than SRL in his entire career. "
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And Floyd won't blinking 30 times per second with funny speech
in his 50s.

Floyd changed boxing forever in more ways than SRL did; he
empowered the fighter, and introduced PEDs testing to
boxing, cleaning it and making it safer for everyone
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29. "So did Mike Tyson and he has nowhere near what he"
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made as a fighter...

so lets wait and see how Floyd handles his money after he's done boxing which is when most fighters seem to experience financial difficulty.


>And isn't blinking 30 times per second with funny speech.

but he still is today 5x more articulate than Floyd is, easily lol. And for the record, that's how SRL has always spoken, (see: Tommy Davidson doing SRL impression on 'In Living Color')
>
>Floyd changed boxing forever in more ways than SRL did; he
>empowered the fighter, and introduced PEDs testing to
>boxing, cleaning it and making it safer for everyone
>(it already has).

SRL was the 1st boxing star to NOT deal w/Don King (at the behest of Ali) and was self-promoted, something that was unheard of in that era for someone of his caliber, now, there has been several fighters to do that because of him. All the PEDS stuff no one really cares abt and there's still that crowd out there who will say Floyd only introduced the arbitrary pre-fight testing because he was *afraid* to fight Pacquiao and no one cares abt that at all when it comes to boxing....because I'm sure there are lots of "dirty" fighters out there right now. (Juan Marquez)

SRL was a far bigger star in the sport of boxing than Floyd is now when boxing was still one of the country's most watched sports...and it was unprecedented for a non-heavyweight to be the biggest draw in boxing at that time which he clearly was.

As the documentary illustrated, SRL almost single-handedly rejuvenated the sport once Ali was on the downside. For all of Floyd's big pay per view fights, the sport itself still needs more stars and new fans to bring to the sport which its having trouble doing.

Aside from the ancillary stuff, though, just judging them as fighters, Floyd doesn't compare to Ray Leonard and I sincerely believe Floyd wouldn't have been as difficult a fight for SRL as some would like to believe.

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34. "Nah, Floyd is carrying boxing all by himself."
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SRL had Duran and Hagler and Hearns. Boxing had no
competition from MMA and was more popular in general.

That Floyd can make MORE MONEY in a LESS POPULAR era
while using PURE BOXING ABILITY is what makes Floyd
a legend.

Floyd is doing it all by himself, with no fighters
within a light years as talented.

That we even discuss a relatively mediocre fighter
like Pacquiao at all is a testament to how much better
Floyd is (emphasis on mediocre; Pacquiao is a big time
hall of famer...he's never been within a galaxy of
Floyd, though)




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35. "which really says more abt the state of boxing than it does Floyd"
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I really doubt had Floyd never fought Oscar De la Hoya that he would've ever been the boxing star he is today...he had no pay per view fights prior to that fight and he was in his 30s.


>SRL had Duran and Hagler and Hearns. Boxing had no
>competition from MMA and was more popular in general.

>
>That Floyd can make MORE MONEY in a LESS POPULAR era
>while using PURE BOXING ABILITY is what makes Floyd
>a legend.

he may be a legend but he's still not on SRL level and he will never be.
>
>Floyd is doing it all by himself, with no fighters
>within a light years as talented.

again, he tapped into that "villain" aspect of sports that draws ppl in but ppl still come away his fight feeling as if they didn't get their money's worth.
>
>That we even discuss a relatively mediocre fighter
>like Pacquiao at all is a testament to how much better
>Floyd is (emphasis on mediocre; Pacquiao is a big time
>hall of famer...he's never been within a galaxy of
>Floyd, though)

Nevertheless, Floyd should've fought Pacquiao when ppl were clamoring for it and that would've been the one fight that would've gave his rather thin resume some substance...no matter how mediocre you say Pacquiao is.

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36. "Actually, its says everything about Floyd's greatness. "
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Five division champ? Check.

Undefeated? Check.

Biggest money maker in boxing history? Check.

Pacquiao lost to Marquez FOUR times to anyone who
actually cares, was outboxed by Eric Morales. Nice
fighter, but Floyd's "competition" isn't on Floyd's
plane.

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39. "smfh..he just fought a man 13 ys his junior and 15 lbs heavier"
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and these motherfuckers still talking shit.

i think you had said this way back when. after he knocked out or whupped on manny, it would have been described as "pacquiao is wildly undisciplined, floyd just had to stand there and eventually manny unraveled"

motherfuckers won't be satisfied until he revives jack johnson, joe louis, joe frazier, turns the clock back on Ali and foreman, and knocks them ALL OUT.


>
>Five division champ? Check.
>
>Undefeated? Check.
>
>Biggest money maker in boxing history? Check.
>
>Pacquiao lost to Marquez FOUR times to anyone who
>actually cares, was outboxed by Eric Morales. Nice
>fighter, but Floyd's "competition" isn't on Floyd's
>plane.
>
>You all are just mad.
>

  

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41. "You mean a guy that no one thought had a real chance of beating"
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Floyd besides landing a big punch. Ppl wanted to act as if Canelo being the heaview fighter gave him an advantage of beating Floyd when in fact his size, as it has w/other fighters who come in the ring much heavier than Floyd, made it more difficult for him to neutralize Floyd's speed. Dela Hoya came into his fight w/Floyd weighing significantly more than Floyd, too.

Canelo wasn't by any means a *great* fighter, he was only seen as a formidable challenge for Floyd in a boxing landscape that has NO REAL challenges out there for Floyd.


>and these motherfuckers still talking shit.
>
>i think you had said this way back when. after he knocked out
>or whupped on manny, it would have been described as "pacquiao
>is wildly undisciplined, floyd just had to stand there and
>eventually manny unraveled"

but unfortunately we'll never know the answer to that...
>
>motherfuckers won't be satisfied until he revives jack
>johnson, joe louis, joe frazier, turns the clock back on Ali
>and foreman, and knocks them ALL OUT.

no, I just wish he had fought guys like Mosley, De La Hoya, Cotto, Pacquiao, or even Judah in their primes instead of fighting them when they're in their late 30s for crying out loud or in Pacquiao's case, not fighting him at all.

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47. "You mad mardigans always kill yourselves with numbers"
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>no, I just wish he had fought guys like Mosley
Mosley is the only fighter you listed who was in his "late 30s"

>De La Hoya
De La Hoya was 34 when he fought Floyd.

>Cotto
Miguel Cotto is 32 years old. Floyd is 4 years older

> Pacquiao
Manny got FUCKED UP. He's also younger than Floyd.

>or even Judah
Zab Judah and Floyd are the same age, they fought at 29

>in their primes instead of
>fighting them when they're in their late 30s for crying out
>loud or in Pacquiao's case, not fighting him at all.

the only thing accurate in what you wrote is "crying out loud" cause that's what you've been doing for some time

  

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81. "RE: You mad mardigans always kill yourselves with numbers"
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>
>>no, I just wish he had fought guys like Mosley
>Mosley is the only fighter you listed who was in his "late
>30s"
>
>>De La Hoya
>De La Hoya was 34 when he fought Floyd.\

and well PAST his prime lol
>
>>Cotto
>Miguel Cotto is 32 years old. Floyd is 4 years older

oh, so him damn near getting killed by Margarito and Manny didn't have ppl believing he was a shot fighter? yeah, ok
>
>> Pacquiao
>Manny got FUCKED UP. He's also younger than Floyd.

yeah by a guy I believe was juicin
>
>>or even Judah
>Zab Judah and Floyd are the same age, they fought at 29

and Judah was nowhere near the same fighter after getting knocked senseless by Kostya Tsyzyu lol
>
>>in their primes instead of
>>fighting them when they're in their late 30s for crying out
>>loud or in Pacquiao's case, not fighting him at all.
>
>the only thing accurate in what you wrote is "crying out loud"
>cause that's what you've been doing for some time

and also that Floyd is not in SRL league..don't forget that
>

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50. "Nah, Canelo was a very big threat. Floyd is just great. "
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80. "k"
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95. "RE: Nah, Canelo was a very big threat. Floyd is just great. "
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floyd owes golden boy promotions (really oscar de la hoya) everything. so does al haymon.

i know it stings you dogg. accept it.

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96. "So there are no good fights for Floyd then?"
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Cause if he fought and beat Pac right now y'all would say Floyd didn't fight him in his prime blah blah blah. There's absolutely nothing he can do to appease y'all. Not really fair or his fault y'all are weird and wrong.

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98. "no, correction: there's no *great* fight(ers) out there for Floyd which"
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is why the world wanted desperately for he and Pac to fight when it mattered for both of their legacies.

Now if they fight, some of the luster has obviously been taken off since Pac lost and both men are no longer close to being in their prime.

>Cause if he fought and beat Pac right now y'all would say
>Floyd didn't fight him in his prime blah blah blah. There's
>absolutely nothing he can do to appease y'all. Not really fair
>or his fault y'all are weird and wrong.

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109. "So Floyd's not close to being in his prime but dominated Canelo..."
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yet, Floyd shouldn't get props for the performance? Explain this to me. Because you either really think Canelo is shitty; which he's not, or you HAVE to be giving N old, out of his prime Floyd props. Which is it?

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113. "Floyd's greatness is in his longevity, versatility, dominance"
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Your madness is in being wrong, mad, and sad.

Cry, crybaby!!!

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40. "Floyd has NEVER beaten a great fighter in their prime - Teddy Atlas"
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along w/many other boxing aficionados, has said many times over that Floyd hasn't had any "great dance partners," so the fact he's undefeated doesn't make his resume or his legacy more impressive than Leonard's who lost 3 fights. It just reinforces the boxing adage: "show me an undefeated fighter and I'll show you someone who hasn't fought anyone."

Marciano retired unfeated too and NO ONE, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE thinks he's the GOAT and he got routinely criticized for fighting fighters when they were waaaay past their primes also.

but as far as Floyd is concerned, yes, he is a great boxer w/superb defensive skills but anyone who follows the sport ranks him a tier under the great fighters of the 80s and ppl still wonder how would he respond to a *real* challenge in the ring.

>Five division champ? Check.
>
>Undefeated? Check.
>
>Biggest money maker in boxing history? Check.
>
>Pacquiao lost to Marquez FOUR times to anyone who
>actually cares, was outboxed by Eric Morales. Nice
>fighter, but Floyd's "competition" isn't on Floyd's
>plane.

And had Pacquiao not gotten knocked out by a suspect Marquez and remained undefeated when he became champ, he was definitely going down in boxing anals as a superior fighter to Floyd.


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42. "so you mean that if he hadn't gotten fucked up, he'd be viewed different..."
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>
>And had Pacquiao not gotten knocked out by a suspect Marquez
>and remained undefeated when he became champ, he was
>definitely going down in boxing anals as a superior fighter to
>Floyd.
>
>
>

what a profound and revolutionary theory

  

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44. "yeah, by a guy that was more than likely using PEDS"
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but as I've said on this board, watch Floyd fight Pacquiao *now.*

>>And had Pacquiao not gotten knocked out by a suspect Marquez
>>and remained undefeated when he became champ, he was
>>definitely going down in boxing anals as a superior fighter
>to
>>Floyd.
>>
>>
>>
>
>what a profound and revolutionary theory

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48. "just stop"
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so PEDS talk comes up for Marquez but not Manny??? FOH son

I don't know why I'm even amusing myself with this. Y'all are on some alternate reality right now

>but as I've said on this board, watch Floyd fight Pacquiao
>*now.*
>
>>>And had Pacquiao not gotten knocked out by a suspect
>Marquez
>>>and remained undefeated when he became champ, he was
>>>definitely going down in boxing anals as a superior fighter
>>to
>>>Floyd.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>what a profound and revolutionary theory
>

  

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78. "hell yeah because Marquez has a guy who is synonymous w/peds"
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whereas the only reason to suspect Manny of using PEDS was because he was destroying his opponents.

The two allegations are not close in the least bit. smh


>so PEDS talk comes up for Marquez but not Manny??? FOH son
>
>I don't know why I'm even amusing myself with this. Y'all are
>on some alternate reality right now
>
>>but as I've said on this board, watch Floyd fight Pacquiao
>>*now.*
>>
>>>>And had Pacquiao not gotten knocked out by a suspect
>>Marquez
>>>>and remained undefeated when he became champ, he was
>>>>definitely going down in boxing anals as a superior
>fighter
>>>to
>>>>Floyd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>what a profound and revolutionary theory
>>
>

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84. "lol"
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>whereas the only reason to suspect Manny of using PEDS was
>because he was destroying his opponents.
he got BIGGER FASTER AND STRONGER, AFTER getting bloodied in a trilogy with Morrales and not looking NEAR the monster he became.



Fuck OUT of here with that shit.


>The two allegations are not close in the least bit. smh
>
>
>>so PEDS talk comes up for Marquez but not Manny??? FOH son
>>
>>I don't know why I'm even amusing myself with this. Y'all
>are
>>on some alternate reality right now
>>
>>>but as I've said on this board, watch Floyd fight Pacquiao
>>>*now.*
>>>
>>>>>And had Pacquiao not gotten knocked out by a suspect
>>>Marquez
>>>>>and remained undefeated when he became champ, he was
>>>>>definitely going down in boxing anals as a superior
>>fighter
>>>>to
>>>>>Floyd.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>what a profound and revolutionary theory
>>>
>>
>

  

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85. "you're not making sense"
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>>whereas the only reason to suspect Manny of using PEDS was
>>because he was destroying his opponents.
>he got BIGGER FASTER AND STRONGER, AFTER getting bloodied in a
>trilogy with Morrales and not looking NEAR the monster he
>became.

uh he knocked Morrales out in the rematch lol and Manny was still *green* in their 1st fight. And if he got bigger and stronger then why did he continuously have trouble making weight? And no matter what you say, Manny still didn't have a known PEDs supplier as his TRAINER lol.

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49. "Marquez actually outboxed Manny the previous 3 times"
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Manny been fucked up several times

  

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79. "ok, and? Marquez is an all-time great and despite what you said"
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he still was probably on PEDS in their last fight...and was abt to get knocked out if Manny hadn't got careless...

>Manny been fucked up several times

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89. "What about the other fights, when he was outboxing Pacquiao? "
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Was he on Peds for those?

Oh.
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100. "you act as if he dominated Pacquiao when most ppl have agreed that"
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that those 1st 3 fights could've gone either way w/the decision


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102. "He was fucking Pacquiao up for like, six rounds in a row "
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In every fight

Pacquiao only won because he runs in and pitter pats
a lot

That and bought judges = Marquez had to knock him the
fuck out to win

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104. "k"
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>
>In every fight
>
>Pacquiao only won because he runs in and pitter pats
>a lot
>
>That and bought judges = Marquez had to knock him the
>fuck out to win
>
>----------------------------
>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

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110. "So glad you finally conceded. "
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Should've replied with the corny, passive aggressive "K" several replies ago.


>>In every fight
>>
>>Pacquiao only won because he runs in and pitter pats
>>a lot
>>
>>That and bought judges = Marquez had to knock him the
>>fuck out to win
>>
>>----------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>>
>>(C)Keith Murray, "
>

Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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121. "http://tinyurl.com/mbgvsg8"
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http://tinyurl.com/mbgvsg8

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

  

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53. "that hate is strong"
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127. "A 2013 $ aint the same as a 1983 $"
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I'm not even talking about inflation neither.
It was waaaaaaay more difficult to make a buck (even accounting for inflation) in 1983 than it is now in 2013.
You can sell picutres of your newborn baby for $5,000,000 these days.
Shit was unheard of pre-CDO 1983

  

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38. "If we're talking about who the greater fighters are..a guy making money"
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fighting suspect champions or cats past their prime isn't going to have the status that a guy who fought the best in their primes.


Ray Leonard fought better fighters....and beat better fighters than floyd....

  

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60. "Ray Leonard got fucked up by Duran, who was *smaller* than him"
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The 'No Mas' fight was a joke, nobody cares, it
barely counts

When it matter, Leonard got fucked up


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69. "Ray Leonard had TKO stoppages against Duran....Hearns....Benitez"
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all in their primes...

Floyd went the distance against much lesser opponents....and guys past their primes...

So who would floy'd biggest ko's be against compared to Ray having TKO wins over 3 hall of famers in the prime of their careers??

victor ortiz????

a shot Ricky hatton???

Sharmba Mitchell??? lololol..


Ray has a TKO victory over Floyd Sr on his record...and that's more impressive than ANY of Jr's stoppages...

  

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70. "Different styles. Floyd took way less punishment"
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Plus, add the Corrales stoppage.

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72. "Floyd was naturally smaller than SRL, by a LOT. "
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At lightweight Floyd was putting lights out



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73. "who lights was he puttin out???"
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74. "TKO against Corrales, who people were actually comparing to Duran"
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Corrales was a devastating lightweight puncher

And he was a huge favorite against Floyd

Floyd beat him so badly that he was pretty much never
the same


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76. "anyone who compared Corrales to Duran knows nothing about "
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boxing..

Diego was a solid fighter..no question..

But Roberto Duran on most lists is considered a top 2 or 3 Lightweights ever....

He was considered by many to be the best pound for pound fighter in the 1970's...

it's amazing the reaches that floyd fans will go to pumping up his opponents..

  

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77. "foh - Corrales was nowhere close to Duran LOL...more like Pipino"
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Cuevas


you Floyd apologists go to great lengths to make Mayweather's legacy more than it is.

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87. "Again....you started watching boxing in 2007."
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I'm talking about back then. He was called the biggest
puncher in the division in many years.

He obviously didn't have Duran's resume at the time.

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93. "Cuevas and Corrales would be an accurate comparison.."
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82. "Chico didn't beat anyone before the PBF bout"
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He got KOTFO by Casamayor & Castillo (he pulled a Houdini to beat Castillo in the 1st fight).

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83. "can you believe he actually compared Corrales to Duran - lmao"
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there was nothing REMOTELY similar in their styles

Corrales was tall and lanky and didn't apply constant, relentless pressure the way Duran did who only stood 5-7 and was a great inside fighter.

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90. "Bwahaha. Yeah, you started watching boxing in 2007 "
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>Corrales was tall and lanky and didn't apply constant,
>relentless pressure

Really!?!?!?

Corrales was known specifically for the pressure he put
on; he actually had short arms for a tall fighter and
barely ever used his reach.

He was hyped as the next great power punching lightweight


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101. "I watched him enough to know damn well he wasn't in Duran's league"
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by a mile lol....

and again, it just exposes how Floyd's resume is very thin when it comes to beating any all-time great fighters.

When you have to go back more than a decade to try and single out an opponent that was considered to be in their prime (even though Corrales wasn't in his prime), you know the undefeated record doesn't mean all that much. What abt since he's become the pay-per view king? who are his great fights against?

he fought guys who were well past their prime, every single one of them.

-Dela Hoya
-Hatton (was getting knocked out by his sparring partners bwahahahaha)
-Marquez (fought for the 1st time as a welterweight and it clearly showed)
-Mosley - (was 38 yrs old going on 50)
-Ortiz - (not even a good fighter)
-Cotto - (well past his prime although he put up a good fight)
-Guerrero (bwahahahahahah)
Canelo - (was overhyped to begin with and never had a real chance of beating Floyd)

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106. "Manny got fucked up real, real bad. "
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Floyd has basically cleaned out every division he's
in, cleaned up boxing

Cry pussy

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117. "Chico was just a hyped fighter plain & simple"
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That bout was not even in the neighborhood of to the BHop/Tito nor the Prince Naseem/Barrera upsets.

Chico was no different than Jeff Lacy in that his rise to stardom came because of his KO victories against decent but not great champions. Then they both went into a bout as undefeated favorites against two HOFer & got their ass expose.

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119. "Bwahahahahahahahhah this nigga said JEFF LACY!!!!! "
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>That bout was not even in the neighborhood of to the
>BHop/Tito nor the Prince Naseem/Barrera upsets.
>
>Chico was no different than Jeff Lacy in that his rise to
>stardom came because of his KO victories against decent but
>not great champions. Then they both went into a bout as
>undefeated favorites against two HOFer & got their ass expose.

If you think Chico Corrales was Jeff Lacy good, you're
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135. "The only difference was that one was Latina the other wasn't"
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Chico got destroyed by both Castillo/PBF dude is over-rated as fuck...he had a punchers chance but that was about it.

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136. "WROOOONNNNNGGG!!!!!"
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>Chico got destroyed by both Castillo/PBF dude is over-rated
>as fuck...he had a punchers chance but that was about it.

Lacy was feasting on bums in a gateway division historically
devoid of talent (168)

Corrales rose in one of boxing's most prestigious
divisions (lightweight), and had an array of skills: pure boxing,
power in both hands

They were zero, zilch alike, nada

To suggest so is to know nothing about boxing


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142. "LMAO.....Chico was 130 when he fought May....that ain't lightweight "
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Dude was feasting on tiny mosquitoes in the featherweight when he rose to stardom. Then he fought an elite featherweight in May & got demolished. He basically lost all his fight against Casamayor(split decision) & Castillo(lucky TKO).......he beat nobody besides Freitas in the LW divison the you so admire & even that was a close fight before the TKO.

Without his power he was just an average boxer. Although, I did enjoyed watching his fights b/c he always kept coming.

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145. "You said Chico was Jeffy Lacy : - ( "
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And Chico was MORE dominant at Feather than he was a
light

  

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149. "Chico used to weight 140+ on fight night when he fought featherweights"
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Dude was out there bullying cats that weren't his own size.....considering his power was his best asset that worked out well for him. But then he had to fight cats his own size & ended up getting his ass handed to him.

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125. "Woow this is some good hate right here "
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86. "You imbeciles weren't boxing fans back then. Trust me. "
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Corrales was one of the most devastating punchers
the division had seen in many, many years.

He was freakishly tall, and had power in both hands,
from every angle.

He was an ethnic mix of Latin-American pride and African
American boxing...he was hyped big time back then.

He was HEAVILY favored against Floyd who was considered
SMALL FOR A LIGHTWEIGHT.

I'm not talking about what happened AFTER Floyd.

I'm talking before.

  

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91. "lol...just stop man...the extras u puttin on Corrales are hilarious"
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>
>Corrales was one of the most devastating punchers
>the division had seen in many, many years.
>
>He was freakishly tall, and had power in both hands,
>from every angle.
>
>He was an ethnic mix of Latin-American pride and African
>American boxing...he was hyped big time back then.
>
>He was HEAVILY favored against Floyd who was considered
>SMALL FOR A LIGHTWEIGHT.
>
>I'm not talking about what happened AFTER Floyd.
>
>I'm talking before.


Roberto Duran is one of the greatest fighters of all time....He was considered to be such when he fought Ray....and he is considered to be such now..

at no point did anyone put Corrales in his category...

never.

  

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94. "Corrales was a pretty big favorite over Mayweather...not a debate"
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You weren't there, and don't remember

Mayweather destroyed him

Its one of the more lopsided performances in a fight
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105. "try the "you weren't there; don't remember" argument elsewhere..."
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>
>You weren't there, and don't remember
>
>Mayweather destroyed him
>
>Its one of the more lopsided performances in a fight
>of that magnitude I've seen


I was watching boxing probably before you were born player....

yes it was a lopsided performance...

it was a lopsided performance against a slightly above average fighter...

the extras you're putting on Corrales just to pump up floyd is pretty amazing...

Diego was one of my favorite fighters....but he was not HEAVILY favored over floyd.... You need to provide some evidence or articles from that time to back that up because I recall that very differently...

plus...

if we talking Ray v. Floyd...I do know that at no point in his career was Diego considered a better fighter than say...Wilfred Benitez...who was a Great...Hall of Fame champion...record setting world champion as the youngest in modern history..... and Ray won by TKO.....

you acting like Floyd beating him was like Buster knocking out Tyson...lol.

  

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108. "Cool, so you admit Corrales was HEAVILY favored against Floyd"
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Floyd just made short work him, ruined his career,
and now y'all backtrack talking about "he wasn't
that good all along"

LOL

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111. "absolutely not...He was not heavily favored not at all..."
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>
>Floyd just made short work him, ruined his career,
>and now y'all backtrack talking about "he wasn't
>that good all along"
>

it's a complete fabrication as far as I'm concerned.

In fact I see absolutely no reason why he would have been even slightly favored over Floyd at that time..

again.... please provide some evidence from that time to support what you're saying.

  

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112. "It's true. Use google"
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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118. "He was .......but it wasn't like Ali-Foreman "
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I blame Mike for making KO victories glamorous despite the quality of opponents or lack-thereof.

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129. "Corrales v mayweather predictions PICKITUP!! (c)tommy Davidson "
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During the last three months of 1998, Floyd Mayweather Jr., a 1996 U.S.
Olympic bronze medallist not only established himself as the best 130-pound
fighter on the planet, but also one of the premier pound-for-pound boxers as
well. With a thoroughly one-sided TKO victory over Genaro Hernandez to win
the WBC title in October of that year, Mayweather followed that triumphant
masterpiece with an early blowout of the revered Angel Manfredy two months
later. Surging from these two career-defining fights, it appeared that if
there was anything out there that could stop one of boxing's brightest
superstars it would be Floyd himself. This Saturday night at the MGM Grand,
"Pretty Boy" Floyd will not only be opposed by his expected ringrust, but
also the most formidable opponent of his career in Diego "Chico" Corrales.

Corrales, the new explosive thin man from Sacramento whom until recently
held the IBF jr. lightweight title will be engaging in his 6th title fight
in a 15 month span. At 6' tall, Corrales more than stands a chance to defeat
Mayweather. It is his vaunted physical and peaking abilities that pundits
have considered as being enough to dethrone Mayweather in this year's first
superfight. It's the boxer vs. the puncher: the Willy Pep vs. Sandy Sadler
of the 21st century. What also makes this mega match-up salivating for
fight fans is the fact that that neither guy likes the other. To get an
idea of which fighter boxing insiders like; the CBZ has polled some of
boxing's most proficient analytical guru's.

"I know that I'm in the minority here, but I like Floyd Mayweather by
decision. I know that Diego is a rough guy, but I feel that Floyd's
handspeed is going to be a HUGE factor in the bout. Corrales MUST bring the
fight to him and put some hurt on him early to win. But while Diego is
moving in, he'll be greeted with very fast jabs & combinations that, IMO,
will keep him from getting set to throw his shots. Also, if everyone leans
to one fighter in a big showdown, the other guy usually wins (EG: Hagler -
Leonard, Morales - Barrera, etc.). That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see
Corrales win but my gut tells me Floyd by decision.
Steve Coughlin,
The CBZ

"I like Mayweather on points. He's too quick for Corrales. He'll minimize
the exchanges, take advantage of Corrales' leaky defense, and win much more
easily than most anticipate. Then again, if he gets hit cleanly ..."
Steve Farhood
CNN/SI; HBO Website

"Mayweather's mind doesn't seem to have been greatly focused on fighting -
at least not in the ring - for much of the last year or so. Corrales has had
three good wins over Derrick Gainer, Justin Juuko and Angel Manfredy since
Mayweather's unconvincing defeat of Goyo Vargas, and just about decides it
for me. A definite maybe to Corrales."
Gerry Callan,
Irish Boxing Yearbook and Irishboxingnews.com

"I'd think Mayweather would be very cautious and not engage Corrales in
anything resembling a brawl, so he might do best by forcing it to be a very
boring bout. Corrales could catch him and hurt him, but I think Mayweather's
too quick and will outbox him
for a distance decision.
Jay Miller,
Quincy Patriot Ledger

"I pick Corrales to win, possibly by knockout late in the fight. I've seen
the pretty boy training in Phoenix and he's more talk than walk. They say
that Chico hasn't yet fought a Mayweather, well, I assure you Floyd has
never been in with a Corrales."
Rick Farris,
The CBZ

"The boxing public seems to be jumping on the Corrales wagon but I'm not
gonna be one of them. Mayweather is the more talented guy here, despite his
recent managerial chaos out of the ring. Corrales may have too much personal
anger going into this fight and it may lead to his undoing. He'll be too
power-oriented going into the fight, and I expect him to be looking to load
up on Floyd. Because of that, I see Floyd beating him to the punch all night
with superior speed and slicker movements. Corrales has never seen anyone
with the kind of speed Floyd will bring. Also, we saw that Floyd is awesome
in big fights - knockouts of Genaro Hernandez and Angel Manfredy - and the
feeling here is that he'll rise to the occasion once again. Mayweather wins
on points."
Ted Bodenrader,
The Ring Magazine

"This fight is very difficult to call for several reasons. One, both
fighters have had their share of out of the ring distractions. Two,
Mayweather has not fought very much recently, and will likely not be as
sharp as he is capable of being. Three, Corrales has made weight before, but
is so tall that it has to be difficult to cut the pounds, which may weaken
him, somewhat. I see Mayweather letting his ego force a quick start, but
then he will wisely back off when he
sees that Corrales can take his punches. It will be a chess match the rest
of the way, with Mayweather pulling out close decision."
Knuckle Junction,
The CBZ

"The only way I can see "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather losing this fight to
Diego Corrales is if Mayweather's "inactivity" has eroded his elusive
defensive skills. In his last fight against Emanuel Burton, Floyd was
touched up more than ever before in his career by his overmatched opponent.
But he still dominated the fight and stopped his opponent. When Mayweather
stopped Angel Manfredy in his first title defense, all his punching power
and defensive prowess were on display in the less-than-two-round affair. The
fair question: Does Floyd Mayweather still have those kind of skills? I say,
yes. Against, perhaps, his toughest opponent with near-equal skills in Diego
Corrales, Mayweather wins by a KO in Round 7."
M. Mark Beiro
Ring Announcer

"The oddsmakers who are calling this a pick'em fight have no balls. How can
Corrales NOT be the big favorite? I have to go with Corrales. Corrales is
what the old-timers call the dangerous beanpole. Saddler, Hearns, Arguello,
M. Spinks, are just a few dangerous beanpoles that spring to mind. When they
lose, it is to big bangers, which Mayweather is not. (The Pep victory over
Saddler is the exception that proves the rule; and remember, Pep was rough!)
Can Mayweather win? Not really; his only chance is to stink the joint out,
Pee-Wee Whitaker style, and run and pitty-pat jab all night. I don't think
he can do that, so my prediction is as follows: Corrales will beat down
Mayweather within 6 rounds. And it ain't gonna be pretty."
Mike DeLisa,
Founder/Co-Publisher,
The CBZ

"Corrales by 7th round TKO."
Pusboil,
The CBZ

"I predict Mayweather by unanimous or split decision in a boring
non-slugfest. Mayweather looked bad in his last fight and won't look bad in
2 bouts in a row. Similarly, Corrales has been on a knock out tear and it
has to stop sometime. Mayweather's speed and ring generalship should put on
the perfect boxing lesson in this "superfight." I think it will be a huge
let down. You heard it here first." If you doubt my powers of fortune
telling, check out my predictions at:
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Mr. (Mohammed) Khan,
The CBZ

"Corrales by decision."
Max Kellerman,
EPSN Boxing Analyst

"It's going to be the basic boxer vs. slugger fight. However, with Diego
being so big and hitting so hard, I think Mayweather is going to have to be
sure not to get lured into a slugfest. If he gets lured into that type of
fight, it could end at early. If he fights a great fight and hits and moves
and avoids being hit, like he can do so well, then he can defeat Corrales.
As for my prediction, I am going to go out on a limb and say Corrales by KO
in the later rounds. Eventually he just has to catch Floyd with one big
punch and I think he can, although it may take a while. Also, don't be
surprised to see a boring fight with Floyd running all over.
"Irish" Pat Kelley,
FightNews.com

"Mayweather by decision."
Gary Randall,
President/Co-Founder,
Houseofboxing.com

"I'm gonna go for Mayweather on a tight points decision. Everything points
to a Corrales victory - the power, the physics, the chin, the in-fighting.
But he's simply overwhelmed all his opponents thus far, which I don't think
he'll be able to do with Mayweather. I want to see what happens when he
can't find his opponent, and is forced to think. Mayweather has the speed
(hand and feet) to get in and out, as well as a good defense and enough
accuracy with his punches to stop Corrales from getting off. Mayweather has
a massive ego, but I don't think he's stupid enough to stand in front of
Corrales. Mayweather hot-dogs and lets his ego get in the way when things
are easy. This will not be easy, and I don't believe he'll have time to hot
dog. I just think, at the end of the day, he has more options than
Corrales."
Derek Bardowell,
The CBZ

"This fight is as close as they come. They are without a doubt the two best
at 130lbs and are also the only two fighters who can beat each other. I
think Corrales should win the fight. He is just too big and strong for any
Junior Lightweight. Mayweather's speed will be the difference early, but as
the fight goes on Corrales will get closer and closer. Floyd will have to
stop eventually, and this will be the beginning of the end. He simply will
not be able to keep Corrales off of him. Corrales will stop him in the late
rounds..."
Brian Hernandez,
HouseOfPainBoxing.com

"This is an extremely tough fight to pick. I could make a very convincing
argument for Mayweather to win an easy decision or Corrales to score a
devastating knockout. With much trepidation, I have to go with Mayweather to
win a decision. Other than his own boasting, he has not really proven
himself to be as great as he wants us to think he is. As much as I would
like to see him humbled, I think he knows the importance of this fight and
won't take
Corrales lightly. Nor will he take any chances. He'll use everything in his
vast arsenal to stay out of harm's way ands outbox Corrales en route to a
decision victory. Nine times out of ten you have to go with the boxer over
the bomber. While Corrales is no slouch in the boxing department, Mayweather
will dazzle the judges with his speed and go home the victor."
Bob Mladinich,
The Fist

"Mayweather has an ego problem, it affects who he fights and how he fights
them. Certainly his skills and speed are enough to beat Corrales by
decision, but that's the Lennox Lewis way. Unlike Lewis, Mayweather values
balls over brains and sooner or later (most likely sooner) he will feel the
need to mix it up. It is here that Corrales will do damage to help him later
and win rounds. Floyd will eventually move out to avoid a brutal KO defeat
but he will be weakened from brawling and this time he will not stay away
and he gets chopped down in the ninth."
Alex Hall,
The CBZ

"A war! I always go with the boxer in a match like this, so Mayweather by a
close decision."
Bob Trieger,
Publicist for John Ruiz & Micky Ward

"I see this as a rerun of Hearns-Cuevas or Hearns-Duran. It's all about
physics. Granted, Floyd is WAY more mobile than Cuevas or Duran but the
principal remains the same. Corrales is such a freak of nature as a jr.
lightweight. Floyd's only chance to win is to get inside like Sugar Ray did
on Hearns ... But it ain't gonna happen. Corrales, unlike Hearns, is a
motherfucker on the inside. If Floyd's stones & ego are heavier than his
brains, Corrales by KO between rounds 2-5. If Floyd decides to run, Corrales
W12."
The Ol' Spit Bucket (a.k.a. GorDoom & Stephen Gordon),
Co-Founder/ Managing Editor-in-Chief/ Quaker Pacifist
The CBZ

"Mayweather by decision."
George Kimball,
Boston Herald

"This is a contest between two of the more problematic personalities to
enter the game recently, but there's no doubt in my mind who's wearing the
white that--you have to go for the delusions-of-grandeur guy over the
probable psychopath. There are plenty of solid reasons to pick Corrales,
reasons that have been ably stated, but Corrales does get hit--Robert Garcia
nearly had him out, and Mayweather is considerably quicker than Garcia and
has some decent pop. So, since I'm not risking any money, I'm picking
Mayweather to
TKO Corrales somewhere during the mid to late rounds. But logic aside, and
despite the
fact that Corrales says we'll understand his point of view when his case
comes to trial, here's hoping Floyd beats him like a pregnant woman."
Lucius Shepard,
The CBZ

"I think under different circumstances this would be a tough call. Normally
I always go with the smooth boxer. But inactivity hurts the boxer more than
a puncher. Plus the word is down at the Nevada Partners Gym is that Roger is
no trainer. It seems also that James Prince has surrounded Floyd with "yes"
men. Much the same way Don King did with Mike Tyson. Remember Tokyo? So,
with all that said, I think that Corrales will walk Floyd down and really
put a whuppin' on him down the stretch a win by a comfortable decision or
late round stoppage."
Rich Jones (a.k.a. Sin City Richey),
The CBZ

"One can build a case for either boxer to win. Mayweather's speed and
elusiveness can earn him a decision if he boxes a smart fight and doesn't
get reckless or stay in front of Corrales too long. Corrales can win if he
can land some forceful punches to "pretty boys" face and not be discouraged
by all the angles and movement. Most judges give points for aggressiveness
and punches thrown along with the basics. Whichever fighter appears to be in
charge and busier will win this bout. Based upon Mayweather's last fight
with Emanuel Burton, I would go with Corrales. He must remember to throw
enough punches each round. Knocking out Mayweather will be hard to do. Other
factors, such as, Miguel Diaz in Corrales corner and the absence of
Mayweather, Sr., in Floyd's corner can only help Corrales' game plan. So I
look for a decision win for Corrales. "
Mel Baron,
Fightnews.com

"I was hoping I could duck out of my own poll, but I'm expecting Floyd
Mayweather to pull out a close if not controversial decision. I think
Mayweather and Corrales compare very well both in style and on paper but
there is more to gain for boxing if Mayweather wins. If Corrales wins,
there is a good possibility that James Prince's prophecy will come true.
With that said, not many will care to know what happens in the aftermath.
Neither fighter has shown any real signs of weakness but the gut feeling
(which changed moments before I wrote this) here is that Mayweather will
come into this fight in phenomenal condition and have the wherewithal to
outbox Corrales in scintillating fashion that will move him back in the
neighborhood where Jones, Trinidad and Mosley preside. P.S. - Mayweather
pulls himself off the deck to do it."
JD Vena,
Associate Editor, The CBZ

Mayweather, KO 11.
The biggest question is whether or not Mayweather can rise to the occasion
after mail-in jobs in his last two fights. He has the edge in big fight
experience, having gone through big fights vs. Genaro Hernandez and Angel
Manfredy, which leads me to believe he can deliver a brilliant performance
in a fight like this. Corrales hits hard enough that he might put Mayweather
on the canvas early. His height can also give Floyd problems, but eventually
I
see Mayweather's speed and skill making the difference.
Stephen Tobey
Boxing Digest

"I look for Mayweather to take an early lead and for Corrales to storm back
and stop him late. And then Mayweather will start his sniveling."
Phrank Da Slugger,
The CBZ

"I like Mayweather by decision, feeling he will box a smart fight and not
get caught up in trading punches toe-toe, although there are times when he
may well HAVE to fight as well as box due to Diego's pressure. If Justin
Juuko could hit Corrales with lots of right hands, Mayweather figures to do
so, too. Simply, I think he can do a good job of hitting Corrales and
avoiding a lot of Diego's shots. But I believe there will be some tough
passages for
Mayweather and I think he will have to dig down deep to come through these
stormy moments."
Graham Houston,
Boxing Monthly

"I'm picking Mayweather by a close decision. I think he'll start off fast
winning the first three rounds. Corrales will come on and take the next four
rounds and possibly drop Mayweather once during that stretch. Mayweather
will then suck it up and come on strong to regain the lead and then hold off
a fired-up Corrales in the last two rounds to win a close decision."
Dan Cuoco
International Boxing Research Organization & The CBZ

"I think that the key to this fight is whether or not Floyd will want to try
and outbox the hard hitting Corrales or if he stand and trade with him.
Though Floyd can out-quick most fighters in the game today, in recent
outings he has shown the willingness to stand in close with his opponents.
Corrales has shown that he maintains his power punching even in the later
rounds. I think that Mayweather might start off with a boxing game plan and
slowly this
fight will turn strategy wise in Corrales' favor. The fight will probably go
twelve but I am leaning towards.... DIEGO CORRALES KO11."
Mike Nosky,
Secondsout.com

Diego Corrales KO6
Mayweather has the handspeed and the boxing skills to easily outpoint
Corrales. Unfortunately for Floyd, he'll have to feed his overinflated ego
by trying to come out strong and get a piece of Corrales. When he tries,
Corrales will punish him severely. I expect a lot of contact early, with
Floyd getting the worst of it.
Chris Bushnell,
Editor, BoxingChronicle.com

"Corrales by TKO9"
Joe Bruno,
CBZ

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130. "thank you....Corrales was NOT heavily favored in that fight"
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131. "So basically oe was exaggerating lol..."
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132. "Nah, y'all aren't boxing fans. "
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133. "apparently you aren't either - not good to lie in this internet age"
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134. "Every fan of boxing knew Corrales was a big favorite. Not debatable."
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The problem is, you're not a fan of boxing, starting
watching in 2007

Floyd was a puny technician who could pot shot but was
going to be overwhelmed by the pressure and well rounded
punching of Corrales


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141. "there are a gang of quotes from a bunch of boxing experts"
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from that time who are saying different..

you trying to re-write history to pump up Floyd is getting pitiful...

  

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146. "Bwahaha @ "Pump Up Floyd." Floyd is one of the greatest ever, homie"
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He doesn't need Corrales to "pump him up"

Its just another example of everyone rewriting history
about a fighter AFTER Floyd whoops they ass

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148. "the person re-writing history is the one comparing Diego to"
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Roberto Duran.

  

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150. "bwahaha now you done resorted to outright lying bwahah"
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I never compared Diego to Duran

I said that, at the time, Diego was called one
of the biggest punchers in that weight range
SINCE Duran, and that he was favored to defeat
Floyd

You aren't a fan of boxing, though, and so don't recognize
the realness

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143. "it was about even & honestly more "experts" maybe had mw"
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but most people who i knew personally that were on boxing
had corrales

i aint ashamed to admit EYE had corrales i was scared as shit for mw
chico was knocking EVERBODY out around that time.

  

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37. "co-sign..."
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>in the 80s
>
>but
>
>it also brought back those memories of what made SRL so
>special as a fighter and must-see tv.
>
>I was glad Tyson was included to provide his expert opinion on
>that fight but in particular abt the type of fighter SRL was.
>The knock that some ppl have of Floyd today couldn't be said
>abt Ray Leonard.
>
>I remember being a kid, and even though he lost that 1st
>fight, how he showed ppl (including my pops) that behind the
>innocent good looks was a *FIGHTER* at heart was what I
>remembered most abt that fight - even though he still lost.
>
>And not to mention, unlike Floyd, he fought the best when they
>were in their primes. He could've easily dodged Duran and
>Hearns for a few years but he took on those challenges when
>they presented themselves.


that era of boxing is my frame of reference for boxing. People act like I'm asking a guy like floyd to walk on the moon and fight a dinasour.....lol. It's not too much to expect a guy folks consider great to fight other great fighters while they are in their primes... in my frame of reference...it's the norm...

I'm sure people thought that Duran or Sugar were taking a chance moving up in weight classes like they did...but they did it. That's what great champions do.

  

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54. "Ray moved up 27 lbs in his pro career"
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Floyd moved up 24 lbs.

cry.

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58. "Floyd moved up to fight paper champions...and didn't knock "
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them out..

you cry...

Ray Leonard has TKO victories against 2 of the top 20 pound for pound fighters ever....IN THEIR PRIMES...

log off homie...

  

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59. "Nah, you got ethered with the weight argument just now...you log off"
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>Ray Leonard has TKO victories against 2 of the top 20 pound
>for pound fighters ever....IN THEIR PRIMES...

Ray Leonard got fucked by a SMALLER fighter in Duran too

You wanna forget that?

Oh, ok


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66. "Ray Leonard took the challenge of fighting arguably the greatest"
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lightweight in history..who had 70 fights up to that point....and fought 2 great fights at the time..

When Floyd had the opportunity to take on what would have been his biggest challenge up to that time ...... a smaller champion moving up to fight him.. Floyd avoided the challenge hiding behind steroid claims and allegations...

One took the challenge..

One ducked the challenge...

  

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71. "Bwahaha. SRL got fucked up by a LIGHTWEIGHT. "
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>lightweight in history..who had 70 fights up to that
>point....and fought 2 great fights at the time..
>
>When Floyd had the opportunity to take on what would have been
>his biggest challenge up to that time ...... a smaller
>champion moving up to fight him.. Floyd avoided the challenge
>hiding behind steroid claims and allegations...

He was right, and Pacquiao got fucked up

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75. "and floyd got zero stoppages against any H.O.F.ers in their prime"
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88. "Nice to move the goalposts to "stoppages"...bwahahaha"
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Floyd didn't get FUCKED UP by no blown up lightweights

SRL did

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92. "if you think calling Roberto Duran a blown up lightweight"
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and acting like Diego Corrales was Henry Armstrong is an effective way of pumping up Floyd's accomplishments....you're mistaken.

  

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97. "And SRL's loss to Duran was still more impressive than any of Floyd's"
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victories


here's the bottom line: No one (not even you) thinks Floyd is a better fighter or that he could've beaten SRL if both fought each other in their prime.

Floyd would lose to any of the great fighters SRL beat...

Duran - would maul Floyd
Hearns - would knock him out inside of 5 rds.
Hagler - it wouldn't even be a fair fight

so go on keep apologizing for Floyd NEVER having beat any GREAT fighter in their prime. I'm still tripping that you actually put Corrales in the same sentence w/Roberto Duran. The lenths you mofos will go to to hype of Floyd is downright astonishing lol

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99. "Nah, SRL got fucked up against a blown up lightweight. "
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Cry pussy


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103. "ok, but who's better: SRL or Mayweather? I know you hate to admit"
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it because you're such a Floyd apologists, matter of fact, you make more excuses for him than anyone on this board.

You have other HOF fighters who've called out Floyd
-Larry Holmes
-Marvin Hagler
-James Toney (fellow Michigan native and he said Floyd was afraid of Manny)

There's nothing Floyd can do at this point to ever be considered a greater fighter than SRL, nothing.


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107. "Here's the funny thing..... Ray's list of opponents....."
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his biggest victories.... against guys in their primes....makes it not even really a close comparison...

but I've been one of the main guys on this board who have been calling for Floyd to make the fights that would put his resume on that level...and the floyd apologists call me crazy..


so they claim Diego Corrales was on Duran's level to cop a plea for the thin-ness of floyds resume.....then when somebody suggest very reasonable ways to strengthen that resume..they call em crazy...

  

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114. "Bwahahaha you said Floyd should fight light heavyweights"
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Cry you wittle wooser

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116. "he should fight ward at 160..... people would rather see that"
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than him fighting khan....


still waiting on that proof that Corrales was a HEAVY favorite over Floyd...

  

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120. "you need proof of something you were around to see?"
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Corrales was KOing everybody up until that point and was heavily favored in Vegas.

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122. "if Diego Corrales was HEAVILY favored over Floyd"
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>Corrales was KOing everybody up until that point and was
>heavily favored in Vegas.

by vegas odds makers before that fight..there would be proof or documentation in an article...interview...promotional material....something from that time to show that.

Here's the thing... What I am seeing from that era is comments by people before the fight saying that "the odds makers who are calling this a pick em fight are crazy".. people ...not oddsmakers...but journalists and commentators who believed Diego would win felt very confident and saw the closeness of the odds at the time inaccurate...

to me that's not Diego being a heavy favorite...

from what I remember...and what I've seen on the net... oddsmakers had it a pick em fight..or a very close advantage either way...not a heavy favorite for Diego.

either way ..arguing that Corrales as an opponent on Floyd's resume is tantamount to Ray Leonard having TKO vicotries over hall of famers like Benitez....Duran...or Hearns is crazy...

  

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123. "You are not a fan of boxing, so you don't know. "
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If you were watching then, the fight was supposed
to be a big time coronation of Diego Corrales in his
continued quest to stake his claim as the next great
lightweight

The fighting comparisons, not from me, but by boxing talking
heads, were that Corrales was an early stage Duran and Thomas
Hearns; Corrales was 1/2 Central American and a high pressure
bomber like the former; Corrales was 1/2 African American
and a rail thin shotgun right hander like the
latter (all tall guys with monster right hands get the Thomas
Hearns comparison; Trinidad and Kelly Pavlik most recently).

He was supposed to bully and dominate the "small lightweight"
Mayweather.

That's right -- Mayweather was actually a SMALL lightweight.

I knew that because I'm actually a fan of boxing, who
was a bigger fan of Corrales than I was of Floyd at
the time.

You aren't a fan, so you don't know.


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126. "lolol... yeah...try that with someone else...I was a boxing fan before"
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>
>If you were watching then, the fight was supposed
>to be a big time coronation of Diego Corrales in his
>continued quest to stake his claim as the next great
>lightweight
>
>The fighting comparisons, not from me, but by boxing talking
>heads, were that Corrales was an early stage Duran and Thomas
>
>Hearns; Corrales was 1/2 Central American and a high pressure
>
>bomber like the former; Corrales was 1/2 African American
>and a rail thin shotgun right hander like the
>latter (all tall guys with monster right hands get the Thomas
>Hearns comparison; Trinidad and Kelly Pavlik most recently).
>
>He was supposed to bully and dominate the "small lightweight"
>Mayweather.
>
>That's right -- Mayweather was actually a SMALL lightweight.
>
>I knew that because I'm actually a fan of boxing, who
>was a bigger fan of Corrales than I was of Floyd at
>the time.
>
>You aren't a fan, so you don't know.
>

you were born OE...

and again... if Corrales was a "HEAVY" favorite..you'd be able to site something from the internet from that time saying he was heavily favored....

all you seem to be doing is pumping up Corrales to make Floyd look better....even making the outrageous claim that he was being compared to Roberto Duran back then...

I'm asking for proof because I remember the environment surrounding that fight very well...and I know what you are claiming is not accurate.

I remember that Diego's performance in that fight was chalked up by many to be the result of distractions related to his domestic legal problems around that time..

but either way...Diego Corrales was not heavily favored in that fight..and your inability to provide examples of him being heavily favored shows that it's an exageration..

  

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43. "side post: so why do YOU think he quit? "
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I think he saw that he had no shot no matter how hard he fought that night
and it fucked with his head. The clowning just made it worse.

SRL was just better that night.

just think of what type of mind fuck that would be after a nigga you walked down and had backing up the 1st fight, stood toe to toe and dominated you?

he still is a top 10-15 all time even WITH the quit

  

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45. "what you said is precisely why I think he quit - but for someone w/his"
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legendary bravado, he can't admit that so he has to stick w/having cramps or that he partied too much after the 1st fight and leading up to the 2nd one.

For the record, Hagler wasn't getting very frustrated, too, trying to catch SRL....I'm not saying he was on the verge of quitting, though.


>I think he saw that he had no shot no matter how hard he
>fought that night
>and it fucked with his head. The clowning just made it worse.
>
>
>SRL was just better that night.
>
>just think of what type of mind fuck that would be after a
>nigga you walked down and had backing up the 1st fight, stood
>toe to toe and dominated you?
>
>he still is a top 10-15 all time even WITH the quit
>

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46. "dont even get me started with this shit: "
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>
>For the record, Hagler wasn't getting very frustrated, too,
>trying to catch SRL....I'm not saying he was on the verge of
>quitting, though.


ill just say im team haglar on that one


  

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55. "hagler lost, it wasnt even that close. "
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65. "Wasn't that close? *snickers* igght "
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51. "I do believe, now, that his body quit"
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this shit happened to me the other day, not to equate myself to Duran but...

I'm training for a marathon, and saturdays are my long runs, i.e. pushing myself to my absolute limit each week

I'm at about mile 14, exhausted, running on fumes...

...next thing I know, I'm walking

it wasn't but a step or two, but it was definitely a WTF moment

just that slight lapse in complete concentration, and that's what happened, my body shut that run shit off with the quickness

I believe Duran, and as I posted above, that f'n bodyshot was no joke

I don't think it was Ray clowning, but his endurance to be able to run around like that

whatever Duran had in the tank was gone at that point

and his body just said no

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52. "Bwahhahahhahah!!!! ARCHIVE!!!! Bahahahahaha"
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>this shit happened to me the other day, not to equate myself
>to Duran but...

Nigga your fat, outta shape flabby ass isn't one of the
10 best fighters of all time....get the fuck outta here

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Nigga over here talking about how he pulled a hamstring
walking his girlfriend's poodle

I'm done

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61. "now i'm not roberto duran, but. . ."
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awesome.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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64. "Lol "
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>Nigga over here talking about how he pulled a hamstring
>walking his girlfriend's poodle


  

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139. "lol..."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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56. "LMAO"
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68. "he was diminished physically because of what he had"
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to do to make weight in such a short time....

that along with the manner he was getting beat....

I think he just couldn't see himself making it through the rest of the fight..so he bounced.

  

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57. "i remember Ray Charles lifting the spirits of SRL for that fight"
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i truly feel he was worried about Duran however late in the first fight once he got over his fear and did what he does best that fight gave him hope for the next fight.

Duran was worn out in the 2nd fight and he couldn't get into SRL's head in the 2nd fight and yet had Duran been able to hang for the duration of that fight it might have gone his way because despite a style difference, they complimented one another nicely in a wired way.

Floyd Mayweather is a Great fighter, however in that era of the 4 horsemen of Middleweight fighters it would have been interesting how he stacked up against those cats.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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62. "lol he ate two hot steaks and had cold water"
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im not roberto duran but (c) bentagain

as an avid steak eater, steaks dont get that hot even if right off the grill. foh

but this was stupid, did ray think he was really going to confess the truth-- whatever it is?

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Beamer6178
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63. "you pussies are so mad that this turned into a bash Floyd thread"
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he wins again and again and again and again

  

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LA2Philly
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128. "Don't even sweat em"
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Funniest part to me is the hate has fueled so much of Floyd's monetary success...he fully understands the benefits of being a polarizing figure and has been playing these clowns for years now lol.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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southphillyman
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137. "my goodness floyd stans are a sensitive bunch"
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all it took was 1 dude saying SRL fought better opponents (not really debatable btw)to derail a good thread
fucking pathetic

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138. "Check the order, shit breaths started going in on Floyd unprovoked"
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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140. "solid effort on this ep..."
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..nothing really new in terms of info regarding the fight, but definitely solid perspective from both fighters heading into the 1st bout.

*would've liked a bit more info regarding duran's training leading up to the rematch (esp since they basically glossed over it, saying that he partied quite about after the upset).

ray's arrogance shined bright as hell throughout this ep lol.

the stark contrast of their current lives served as an incredible canvas for this story.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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151. "Pretty much "
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>ray's arrogance shined bright as hell throughout this ep lol.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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152. "RE: the stark contrast of their current lives "
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which kinda shat on their angle for the doc

if you believe Ray, Duran is haunted by No Mas

living in isolation, blah blah blah

when in fact, Ray is alone

he does most of his interviews in a dark room with dim lighting, deep in thought, etc...

while Duran is down at the pool hall drinking beers with his buddies and dancing cheek to cheek with his wife

Yo, Duran got a custom Duesenburg, HAHAHA!

the question I have after watching the doc

what answer from Duran would make Ray be alright with it

obviously, he's the 1 with an issue

he wants Duran to say, Ray you are a better man than me

and that has nothing to do with their fights

Ray's on some, I'm better than you ish

and Ray's ego is crystal in this doc

I mean, he has professional training as an interviewer

and when they are face to face

he doesn't press the topic?

FOH, you already knew what it was before you flew down there

c'mon

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144. "how the hell did yall make this a Floyd hate post?! nm"
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does it even matter?

  

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147. "hahahaha... how I miss this shit.."
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just saw the 30 for 30..

Yeah.. SRL got you Duran. It's ok. Some nights the other guy is just better..
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