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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=463

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the Big Blue Nation to get hits for lists like this.

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They put like half the damn Kentucky team in the top 50 players and you still complained!

Now they slighting Orlando & Kenny Payne isn't on the list like Cal does all of the work, but other head coaches have great assistants recruiting? C'mon,

Cism

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Haven't heard that name in years since my pops used to bitch about the Sixers bust draft picks every year in that era.

As much credit as Calipari gets though, it's probably a situation where the UK assistants will be overlooked regardless of how much work they do.

Man, Coach O should be above everybody on that list.

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Another name from the early 90s that I haven't heard in years. I didnt realize he was coaching at UK.

Rod Strickland still on Calipari's staff?

but it never materialized.

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he's tied closely to Wes, and played a big role in bringing us the kids from Detroit and Chicago.

Thursday, August 1, 2013
Toughest head coaches to recruit against
By Jeff Goodman


There's no coach in America that compares to John Calipari on the recruiting trail.
Yesterday we took a look at the 20 most feared high-major assistant coaches in recruiting circles. Today, after talking to coaches from throughout the country, we take a look at the 20 best high-major and mid-major head coaches on the recruiting trail.

1. John Calipari, Kentucky Wildcats
He’s at another level than everyone else. Seriously. It’s now an upset if he doesn’t get the top class in the country. Honestly, my 9-year-old daughter could work for Calipari as an assistant and still bring in elite talent. Calipari is that good in the recruiting game.

2. Bill Self, Kansas Jayhawks
He fell off for a couple of years, but seems to have his mojo back in recruiting circles. He just put together a stellar class led by the nation’s top-ranked player, Andrew Wiggins.

3. Sean Miller, Arizona Wildcats
He has practically owned the West Coast since he arrived in Tucson in 2009, landing three of the top big men in the Class of 2012 (Brandon Ashley, Kaleb Tarczewski and Grant Jerrett) and pulling in Aaron Gordon in 2013.

4. Rick Pitino, Louisville Cardinals
Many figured Pitino was on the downswing of his career and that he wouldn’t be able to get elite-level recruits, especially with Calipari down the road. Instead, Pitino has stepped it up on the recruiting trail and has plenty of juice following Louisville's national championship in April.

5. Billy Donovan, Florida Gators
Donovan still works like an assistant, and despite significant turnover on his staff since winning back-to-back titles in 2006 and 2007, the Gators continue to haul in top talent. This year he landed two of the nation's elite players -- point guard Kasey Hill and big man Chris Walker.

6. Tom Izzo, Michigan State Spartans
A workhorse on the recruiting trail, Izzo mixes highly ranked players with those who generally fit his system. Look at the 2012 class for evidence: Highly regarded Gary Harris is the headliner, with a pair of quality big men in Matt Costello and Kenny Kaminski, along with underrated forward Denzel Valentine.

7. Mike Krzyzewski, Duke Blue Devils
Coach K still gets it done, even though the Blue Devils do it differently. They identify a few guys instead of casting a wide net. Duke just brought in one of the nation’s top classes, led by Jabari Parker. Krzyzewski's role as coach of the U.S. Olympic team certainly helps his recruiting efforts.

8. Steve Lavin, St. John’s Red Storm
This one surprised me a bit, but then you understand why he’s feared after looking at his track record. Lavin gets players. Period. He has brought in guys such as Mo Harkless, Amir Garrett, JaKarr Sampson, Chris Obekpa and D’Angelo Harrison since 2010, when he took over at St. John’s.

9. Leonard Hamilton, Florida State Seminoles
Sure, he didn’t get Wiggins, but look at whom he was going up against: Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina. Just the fact that he had a legitimate shot says plenty about Hamilton, who has been at this a long, long time and works underground as well as just about anyone. Trust me: When this guy walks in the gym, other coaches take notice.

10. Scott Drew, Baylor Bears
Drew and his staff work as hard as just about anyone. It wasn’t all that long ago that the program was a laughingstock, but not after landing highly ranked guys such as Perry Jones III, Quincy Miller and Isaiah Austin. People take these guys seriously now.

11. Roy Williams, North Carolina Tar Heels
I was shocked he checked in this low, to be honest. Personally, I would have ranked him somewhere around fifth. Williams still gets after it on the recruiting trail, and the Carolina brand still goes a long way with kids.

12. Josh Pastner, Memphis Tigers
He’s beyond relentless and has done an incredible job maintaining the talent level in the program after Calipari left for Kentucky. In fact, you can make an argument that he’s got more talent now than Calipari had when he was with the Tigers.

13. Thad Matta, Ohio State Buckeyes
He’s pulled his share of elite guys (Greg Oden, Mike Conley Jr., Jared Sullinger, Deshaun Thomas) and also has done a nice job landing a ton of the next tier of recruits. There’s been no drop-off in Columbus, largely due to Matta’s consistency on the recruiting trail.

14. Jim Boeheim, Syracuse Orange
He still has plenty of pop with recruits and is as recognizable as just about any head coach in the country. Does he grind it like some of the others on this list? No, but he does enough to land elite recruits such as DaJuan Coleman, Fab Melo and Dion Waiters.

15. Shaka Smart, VCU Rams
Ever since his run to the Final Four a few seasons ago, Smart has become a darling in the college hoops world. Kids love him and want to play in his fast-paced system. Mid-major coaches are terrified of going against him, and high-majors also are concerned.

16. Buzz Williams, Marquette Golden Eagles
He’s a self-proclaimed grinder who has done a nice job developing players. But this past recruiting class showed he can battle the big boys, as he landed four top 100-caliber guys. The combination of the program’s recent success with his work ethic is feared by others.

17. Tom Crean, Indiana Hoosiers
He gets after it and has one of the elite programs in the nation to sell. When he got Cody Zeller to stay home, it changed everything. He helped assistant Kenny Johnson close the deal on Noah Vonleh, Troy Williams and Stanford Robinson -- three quality players in the Class of 2013.

18. Mark Gottfried, NC State Wolfpack
He brought in three highly rated players a year ago with T.J. Warren, Rodney Purvis (who has since transferred to UConn) and Tyler Lewis. His staff is strong and they have put together another solid group, led by point guard Anthony "Cat" Barber.

19. Jay Wright, Villanova Wildcats
Maybe it’s his looks that instill fear into opposing coaches. Actually, Wright has done a nice job recruiting the past decade at Nova. Are the Wildcats at the same level they were at a few seasons ago? No, but Wright can still get it done.

20. Gregg Marshall, Wichita State Shockers
Pastner, Smart and Marshall are the only ones outside of the power leagues who made the cut. Marshall has the work ethic, can evaluate and now has a Final Four appearance to sell. That’s enough to make fellow coaches nervous when he walks in the gym.

Top 20 mid-major head coaches

1. Pat Skerry, Towson Tigers
He hasn’t changed his approach since becoming a head coach. He works the transfer wire (Jerrelle Benimon) as well as going hard after high school players who may be up a level.

2. Joe Jones, Boston University Terriers
This one shocked me, until I realized that the Terriers beat high-majors for three guys on their current roster. Jones has an infectious personality and a quality staff led by recruiter Carmen Maciariello.

3. Tommy Amaker, Harvard Crimson
He’s a good-looking coach at the best academic institution in America -- and his pedigree includes playing at Duke and coaching at two high-major schools. The Crimson have it rolling, and can beat just about any mid-major they go up against these days.

4. Tim Floyd, UTEP Miners
He’s been around for a long, long time and has plenty of relationships from his previous stops. Floyd had elite talent at USC, and people know what he’s capable of on the trail.

5. Rick Byrd, Belmont Bruins
With all of his success of late, it’s tough to beat Byrd for a player. He’s got a terrific reputation, has a system in place and has a track record of winning.

6. Bob McKillop, Davidson Wildcats
McKillop obviously took advantage of the success of Stephen Curry, but it’s more than just that. He has won consistently, has a strong reputation and is able to go toe-to-toe with just about any mid-major and come out on top.

7. Steve Masiello, Manhattan Jaspers
He was always known as one of the top recruiters when he worked for Rick Pitino, and he still works like an assistant, despite his move up. He doesn’t settle, and tries to fight programs a notch higher for kids.

8. Randy Rahe, Weber State Wildcats
Having coached Damian Lillard certainly helps, but Rahe may be the most feared mid-major head coach out West right now. He evaluates extremely well and has plenty to sell.

9. Dave Paulsen, Bucknell Bison
Paulsen is a terrific X’s and O’s guy and the program has been successful of late, including an NCAA tournament appearance last season. Paulsen can also recruit, whether it’s evaluating or just plain working to beat an opposing coach for a player.

10. Reggie Theus, Cal-State Northridge Matadors
He has yet to coach a game at his new stop, but already, opposing coaches are nervous. Theus showed early that he can recruit by getting St. John’s transfer Amir Garrett.

11. Dan Monson, Long Beach State 49ers
He struggled at Minnesota, but has found his niche at Long Beach, where he has been since 2007, and has brought in no shortage of talent.

12. Joe Dooley, Florida Gulf Coast Eagles
Here’s another guy who has yet to coach a game at his new spot, but he’s already instilling fear. It’s the combo of the Florida Gulf Coast name and also the fact Dooley spent a decade under Bill Self at Kansas that has opposing coaches nervous.

13. Paul Hewitt, George Mason Patriots
He assembled a ton of talent at his previous stop at Georgia Tech and knows what it takes to recruit players at the highest level. He is smart, well-liked and also has a program that’s easy to sell.

14. Archie Miller, Dayton Flyers
His older brother, Sean, is near the top of the high-major list -- at No. 3 with Arizona -- and Archie isn’t all that different. The younger Miller is a workhorse and knows what it takes to get quality recruits, including a pair of ESPN RecruitingNation three-star prospects in the 2013 class.

15. Mike White, Louisiana Tech Bulldogs
Those who go up against White say he’s extremely smart, knows how to evaluate and gets after it on the recruiting trail. He’s obviously had success in a short time with the Bulldogs.

16. Jimmy Patsos, Siena Saints
He has an electrifying personality and got it done at Loyola (Md.). Now he’ll have Siena to sell, and that could be scary for those who will go up against him.

17. Tom Moore, Quinnipiac Bobcats
He was regarded as one of the nation’s top recruiters in his days with Jim Calhoun at UConn, and has carried it over to Quinnipiac, where he’s gotten a few guys who should have gone to a higher level.

18. Dan Hurley, Rhode Island Rams
Just look at what he did at Wagner in a short time. He’s also put together a decent team at Rhode Island in his second season after being left with a near-bare cupboard. The Hurley name doesn’t hurt, either.

19. Doug Wojcik, Charleston Cougars
He really gets after it on the trail and does a nice job evaluating and also grinding. That combination, along with one of the best mid-major programs in the country, is a tough one to beat.

20. Bill Coen, Northeastern Huskies
Coen helped put together those terrific Boston College teams under Al Skinner, and the fear that Coen instills is with his ability to find under-the-radar guys. One of the best eyes in the game for finding talent.

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This is some bullshit!

It might take a few years to be fully recognized as such, but sadly for them Im afraid thats the way it is now. And while JTIII might not have merited top 20 status with the big dogs, he's gotta at least be top 20 at a lower level!

@geahuwine

and considering JT3 and his no-name staff currently have the #6 recruiting class for 2014 and are supposedly leaders for Elbert Robinson, yeah, u mad.

teams aren't afraid of JT3 because he's not using runners, the facilities are shit, and HS kids are idiots and think the princeton offense doesn't prepare you for the NBA and that's fucking dumb.

it certainly isn't because he doesn't grind and it isn't about a lack of results in recruiting. and now that he's finally got a good, potentially consistent staff recruiting with him? shit. broadus will be on that assistant list. and look out for hardy, too. sutton's helping with the DMV as well. coaching staff is finally all set in a good way.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

>and considering JT3 and his no-name staff currently have the
>#6 recruiting class for 2014 and are supposedly leaders for
>Elbert Robinson, yeah, u mad.

LOL, I can't be mad about something that I had no idea about. We'll see if it holds up, and we'll see if they continue their trend of being one of the runner-up's for the big recruits they go after.


>teams aren't afraid of JT3 because he's not using runners, the
>facilities are shit, and HS kids are idiots and think the
>princeton offense doesn't prepare you for the NBA and that's
>fucking dumb.

So bad facilities, A-10 type/level of league, and run a boring offense that HS kids dislike? "Good luck" - C Webb

>it certainly isn't because he doesn't grind and it isn't about
>a lack of results in recruiting. and now that he's finally got
>a good, potentially consistent staff recruiting with him?
>shit. broadus will be on that assistant list. and look out for
>hardy, too. sutton's helping with the DMV as well. coaching
>staff is finally all set in a good way.

The same Broadus that got in all that shit at Binghamton? He was known for taking chances and bringing in some talented kids with academic and/or behavioral issues and it ended up backfiring on him there.

>LOL, I can't be mad about something that I had no idea about.

case closed...and yet you keep talking

>We'll see if it holds up, and we'll see if they continue their
>trend of being one of the runner-up's for the big recruits
>they go after.

holds up? what more would you need to see? i'm just pointing out the future is bright even before the facilities are upgraded.

>So bad facilities, A-10 type/level of league, and run a boring
>offense that HS kids dislike? "Good luck" - C Webb

and yet he's pulling in the blue chippers. that's proof he's money on the recruiting trail. and the facilities are breaking ground in the next academic year, A-10 league lol dumb lol (see, the being in the big east is the final piece for Butler being in on top 15 talent in future recruiting). don't need luck, just need to keep the momentum going. thanks for caring.

as for the offense--it isn't boring, it's great. it's asshat recruiters and runners who say bullshit about it that is the problem. the offense is great for getting into the league, great for getting better, and great for winning games.

>The same Broadus that got in all that shit at Binghamton? He

lolbinghamtonlol. still talking about that? FROM A CUSE FAN? lol.

>was known for taking chances and bringing in some talented
>kids with academic and/or behavioral issues and it ended up
>backfiring on him there.

that's the oversimplified version of it, but that's why he's an assistant who brings in top recruits now, not a head coach. he took a couple more risks too quickly for a school that didn't want to be a big sports school. shrug.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

>>LOL, I can't be mad about something that I had no idea
>about.
>
>case closed...and yet you keep talking

Yup. Why shouldn't I? Having the unofficial #6 class in a class where the majority of the top players haven't committed yet doesn't mean a lot.

>>We'll see if it holds up, and we'll see if they continue
>their
>>trend of being one of the runner-up's for the big recruits
>>they go after.
>
>holds up? what more would you need to see? i'm just pointing
>out the future is bright even before the facilities are
>upgraded.

I would need to see how good the class is, when recruiting is done.

>>So bad facilities, A-10 type/level of league, and run a
>boring
>>offense that HS kids dislike? "Good luck" - C Webb
>
>and yet he's pulling in the blue chippers. that's proof he's
>money on the recruiting trail. and the facilities are breaking
>ground in the next academic year, A-10 league lol dumb lol
>(see, the being in the big east is the final piece for Butler
>being in on top 15 talent in future recruiting). don't need
>luck, just need to keep the momentum going. thanks for
>caring.

I actually don't care, really, it's just fun to throw shots every now and then. It's a nice, little league they've got there, should be good, competitive ball.

>as for the offense--it isn't boring, it's great. it's asshat
>recruiters and runners who say bullshit about it that is the
>problem. the offense is great for getting into the league,
>great for getting better, and great for winning games.
>
>>The same Broadus that got in all that shit at Binghamton?
>He
>
>lolbinghamtonlol. still talking about that? FROM A CUSE FAN?
>lol.

That's what he's known for. Maybe you can make a t-shirt with all the transgressions his players racked up his few years there, in the interest of being consistent with what you care about?

>>was known for taking chances and bringing in some talented
>>kids with academic and/or behavioral issues and it ended up
>>backfiring on him there.
>
>that's the oversimplified version of it, but that's why he's
>an assistant who brings in top recruits now, not a head coach.
>he took a couple more risks too quickly for a school that
>didn't want to be a big sports school. shrug.

Define "top recruits"? A quick scroll through the ESPN lists shows them with 1 top 100(#63) kid in 2013, 2 top 100's(#58, #77) in 2012, 3 in 2011(#42, #78, #80).

>Yup. Why shouldn't I? Having the unofficial #6 class in a
>class where the majority of the top players haven't committed
>yet doesn't mean a lot.

that's not the only class that's been top 20 for jt3. he just keeps getting underappreciated. fine by me.

>I would need to see how good the class is, when recruiting is
>done.

so are we all gonna just base this on 2014? Or can we count his previous years? you know, because i care so much about your opinion on this.

>That's what he's known for. Maybe you can make a t-shirt with
>all the transgressions his players racked up his few years
>there, in the interest of being consistent with what you care
>about?

overhyped hit by thamel. to the point broadus got 1.2 million in a settlement. and it's why he got demoted when he came back to georgetown. he definitely wasn't prepared to be a head coach and fucked up as one.

and a cuse fan making jokes about t-shirts? fan of the same team that made a t-shirt for being ranked #1 in a midseason poll? lol.

>Define "top recruits"? A quick scroll through the ESPN lists
>shows them with 1 top 100(#63) kid in 2013, 2 top 100's(#58,
>#77) in 2012, 3 in 2011(#42, #78, #80).

well, considering Broadus' first efforts to recruit kids off campus came after he was promoted last summer, i don't think he had much impact on 2013, 12, or 11. and we all know espn's earlier lists were shit before telep was there (Porter @ 42? lol). Domingo left school early so his ranking dropped, 2013's big recruit was Josh Smith (transfer, so not on the rankings) and there weren't open 'ships, and whittington was clearly undervalued too. lolrankinglol.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

>>Yup. Why shouldn't I? Having the unofficial #6 class in a
>>class where the majority of the top players haven't
>committed
>>yet doesn't mean a lot.
>
>that's not the only class that's been top 20 for jt3. he just
>keeps getting underappreciated. fine by me.

Perhaps it's all the first round losses as high seeds that's distracting everyone from recognizing his recruiting prowess.


>>I would need to see how good the class is, when recruiting
>is
>>done.
>
>so are we all gonna just base this on 2014? Or can we count
>his previous years?

We can base it on whatever you want. I was just replying to what you said about 2014....where I see two commits around top 50 range.....which is nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing wrong with that, they are likely solid recruits. But it's not scaring anyone.


you know, because i care so much about
>your opinion on this.

Come on, this is OKS. Back and forth and shit-talking is expected, don't pretend like you don't love it.

>>That's what he's known for. Maybe you can make a t-shirt
>with
>>all the transgressions his players racked up his few years
>>there, in the interest of being consistent with what you
>care
>>about?
>
>overhyped hit by thamel. to the point broadus got 1.2 million
>in a settlement. and it's why he got demoted when he came back
>to georgetown. he definitely wasn't prepared to be a head
>coach and fucked up as one.
>
>and a cuse fan making jokes about t-shirts? fan of the same
>team that made a t-shirt for being ranked #1 in a midseason
>poll? lol.

I actually followed those Binghamton teams. They had onetime SU commit Tiki Mayben, who was very talented and whose game I loved, but he was a complete nutcase and he didn't make it to Cuse. I followed them and rooted hard for them to upset Duke in the NCAA's. That's what I know Broadus from, that's what I know of him....he brought in a lot of Tiki Mayben types, had some success for a bit, and then shit predictably hit the fan.

The over-exuberance for t-shirts to commemorate every event does not meet my approval, for the record. Hell, I didn't even buy a final 4 shirt(an event that actually deserves a shirt) in ATL, I wore a Lawrence Moten jersey that I bought in 1994 to the final 4.

>>Define "top recruits"? A quick scroll through the ESPN
>lists
>>shows them with 1 top 100(#63) kid in 2013, 2 top 100's(#58,
>>#77) in 2012, 3 in 2011(#42, #78, #80).
>
>well, considering Broadus' first efforts to recruit kids off
>campus came after he was promoted last summer, i don't think
>he had much impact on 2013, 12, or 11. and we all know espn's
>earlier lists were shit before telep was there (Porter @ 42?
>lol). Domingo left school early so his ranking dropped, 2013's
>big recruit was Josh Smith (transfer, so not on the rankings)
>and there weren't open 'ships, and whittington was clearly
>undervalued too. lolrankinglol.

OK....I look at 2014 and see the commits in that same range. You said "top recruits" so I looked near the top.....and I didn't see a G next to anybody! I had to scroll down to find any of these "top recruits".

We all know these rankings are often BS, but I assume when lists like "most feared recruiter" are made, they're based heavily on the rankings.

>Perhaps it's all the first round losses as high seeds that's
>distracting everyone from recognizing his recruiting prowess.

obvious snark was obvious.

>We can base it on whatever you want. I was just replying to
>what you said about 2014....where I see two commits around top
>50 range.....which is nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing
>wrong with that, they are likely solid recruits. But it's not
>scaring anyone.

if it isn't out of the ordinary, why's it ranked #6 on espn? (besides which, espn's rankings are much lower on copeland than every other site and he's climbing. he'd be a likely McD if he weren't a 5th year player). L.J. Peak similarly is underranked because

more of a who is JT3 beating for these recruits. Copeland was going to FSU or NC State if not Georgetown (both their coaches are on the list). Hopkins was picking between Kansas and the hoyas, Monroe between Duke and the hoyas, etc. If the hoyas get Robinson, that's a win over L'ville. he doesn't bring in 5 person classes much and a couple recent years were weak with a bad staff under him, but JT3's been impressive. I'm not that mad he's not on the top 20 list because he hasn't pulled that many top 20 guys (facilities'll do that), but it's not like there's any sign he's less than good at this.

>Come on, this is OKS. Back and forth and shit-talking is
>expected, don't pretend like you don't love it.

obviously i do.

>I actually followed those Binghamton teams. They had onetime
>SU commit Tiki Mayben, who was very talented and whose game I

I BLAME CUSE FOR IT ALL!

>Cuse. I followed them and rooted hard for them to upset Duke
>in the NCAA's. That's what I know Broadus from, that's what I
>know of him....he brought in a lot of Tiki Mayben types, had
>some success for a bit, and then shit predictably hit the fan.

he was coach there for 2 years. there's a lot of ugly on all sides of that situation and broadus definitely was going too far as a head coach. as an assistant, he got absolutely attacked by Thamel unfairly (in that he got singled the fuck out for something most everyone was/is doing) and now he's seen as a habitual line stepper instead of a guy who took a couple risks too quickly as a head coach and flew too close to the sun.

>The over-exuberance for t-shirts to commemorate every event
>does not meet my approval, for the record. Hell, I didn't

i doubted it would. there's most cuse fans, and then there are the few cuse fans who can type whole sentences. I figure the t-shirts are for the 99% who can't.

>We all know these rankings are often BS, but I assume when
>lists like "most feared recruiter" are made, they're based
>heavily on the rankings.

supposedly, this was a survey of college coaches. which means this might be a survey of the biggest cheats (that's who i'd be afraid to recruit against)

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

>
> 3. Sean Miller, Arizona Wildcats
>He has practically owned the West Coast since he arrived in
>Tucson in 2009, landing three of the top big men in the Class
>of 2012 (Brandon Ashley, Kaleb Tarczewski and Grant Jerrett)
>and pulling in Aaron Gordon in 2013.
>

Owned the west coast since 2009???


I'm looking at the Pac 12 (10) standings during that time....

I'm looking at the players drafted (or not drafted) in the NBA during that time....

picking up these modern day Kurt Nimphius dudes shouldn't get you 3rd on this list...

crazy...

>
>>
>> 3. Sean Miller, Arizona Wildcats
>>He has practically owned the West Coast since he arrived in
>>Tucson in 2009, landing three of the top big men in the
>Class
>>of 2012 (Brandon Ashley, Kaleb Tarczewski and Grant Jerrett)
>>and pulling in Aaron Gordon in 2013.
>>
>
>Owned the west coast since 2009???
>
>
>I'm looking at the Pac 12 (10) standings during that time....
>
>I'm looking at the players drafted (or not drafted) in the NBA
>during that time....
>
>picking up these modern day Kurt Nimphius dudes shouldn't get
>you 3rd on this list...
>
>crazy...

That's a fucking jahlove reference right there.

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then they get them...everyone is hyped..yet they don't do anything...

saying the miller has owned the west coast since 2009 is just plain crazy....it sounds like someone from the east coast who is asleep by the type Pac 12 basketball comes on during the week....


Nimphius had game in college though..no quest...Kiki Vanderweigh was better but Nimphius was decent

i mean, UCLA's vaunted class last season was a bunch of east coast guys. we'll see what happens in the future, but Arizona has basically had its pick of west coast high school talent, fwiw.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

... but Tarczewski, Josiah Turner, and Lamont Jones weren't West Coasters.

And if he's giving credit for Derrick Williams re: recruiting, he probably shouldn't, since Williams was like a fringe top 100 at the time. Reeves Nelson was regarded higher.

Last season, Howland reached East for his bigger recruits, but Zach LaVine is a West Coaster.

I realize that Arizona has "won" the battle of recruiting highly touted West Coasters the last two years, and I consider Miller a big threat on the recruitment trail presently...

... but he hasn't owned the West Coast like that. He got Solomon Hill in 2009, but UCLA's 2009 class was better. He got more of the West Coast last year... but UCLA's class last year was still better, so is that truly a big win? One could argue long term, sure, and I think Miller's future looks brighter than Howland's.

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I wouldn't say Miller has "owned" the West because if he was Zona would be dominant, but nobody is doing it better out there right now. Gordon, Ashley, Turner(who flamed out),Nick Johnson, Gabe York, Parker Jackson-Cartwright, that's a nice list of signees over the past 3 years or so and their '14 class is still in process.

And your point stands, but odd that he says since 2009 since Howland's big class that year seemed predominantly west coast. Solomon Hill doesn't cancel out Howland's four or so highly touted recruits.

But yeah, like I said, currently and future, Miller's best for the west-- though the phrasing definitely makes it seem like he gets the best classes of all west coast schools, and UCLA's class last year was definitely better.

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and he joined the team in april of 2009, so not really fair to use that metric, considering he only had about 3 months to put that recruiting class together.

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ESPN.com: Jeff Goodman

Wednesday, July 31, 2013
Top recruiting assistant coaches
By Jeff Goodman


Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend has earned a reputation as an elite recruiter.
Head coaches are obviously critical to a program’s success, but putting together a quality staff is one of the more underrated aspects of college basketball. Many great coaches have been fired because their staff isn’t up to par.

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Part of what goes into being an elite assistant coach is the ability to teach and develop players, part is the ability to scout and prepare players for their next opponent. But ask just about anyone and they’ll tell you that the most important aspect for any assistant coach is his ability to land talented players.

We surveyed more than 200 college coaches and got their thoughts on who the most feared assistant coaches are on the recruiting trail. That doesn’t mean that these guys can’t coach, but it means that when they walk into the gym their colleagues take notice -- and don’t necessarily want to go against them to land a recruit. We’ve focused on the high-major assistants today. On Thursday, we'll look at the most feared head coaches in recruiting circles.

Here are 21 guys who have the respect/fear of their peers:

1. Kurtis Townsend, Kansas Jayhawks
The list for Townsend --- who also spent time at Michigan and USC -- is pretty darn impressive: Andrew Wiggins, Sherron Collins, Darrell Arthur, Julian Wright, Brandon Rush, Jeff Withey at KU and Jamal Crawford and Lavell Blanchard at Michigan. He also got some quality talent in his tenure at USC. Townsend gets after it, has strong connections throughout the country and has one of the best brands -- and head coaches -- to sell.

2. Mike Hopkins, Syracuse Orange
He’ll take over for Jim Boeheim when he calls it quits, and Hopkins should be able to make certain the talent level doesn’t drop. He’s recruited guys like Hakim Warrick, Gerry McNamara, Dion Waiters, Michael Carter-Williams and DaJuan Coleman over the years. He is high energy and especially well-connected on the East Coast.

3. Kevin Keatts, Louisville Cardinals
It hasn’t taken the former Hargrave Military Academy prep school coach long to make his mark in the college ranks. He had a fairly brief stint as an assistant at Marshall, but he’s already pulled Montrezl Harrell, Luke Hancock (transfer from George Mason), Chris Jones, Terry Rozier and Anton Gill in his three seasons under Rick Pitino. He also helped the Cards land a pledge from highly ranked guard Jaquan Lyle. Without Keatts getting Hancock and Harrell, Louisville doesn’t cut down the nets last season.

4. Butch Pierre, Oklahoma State Cowboys
Pierre was critical in putting together LSU’s team that went to the Final Four in 2006 and has brought high-end talent to Stillwater since joining Travis Ford’s staff. He was huge in making sure Tyrus Thomas and Glen “Big Baby” Davis remained in-state and was key in getting Le’Bryan Nash to OSU.

5. Orlando Antigua, Kentucky Wildcats
John Calipari has no peer when it comes to recruiting -- and the combo of Cal and Kentucky is nearly unbeatable. That’s part of what makes Antigua feared, but he’s also done more than his part to make certain UK continues to get elite players season after season.

6. Robert Kirby, Memphis Tigers
He’s bounced around a bit lately. He spent time with Rick Stansbury at Mississippi State, was at Georgetown for a cup of coffee and was at LSU last season before joining Memphis in the offseason. He’s considered one of the strongest recruiters in the country, especially in the south. He got Otto Porter to Georgetown and had commitments from both Jonathan Bender and Monta Ellis before both went to the NBA directly out of high school. He also signed Travis Outlaw to the Bulldogs program before he went straight to the NBA.

7. Jeff Capel, Duke Blue Devils
Most former head coaches don’t get after it on the recruiting trail, but Capel is different. He’s just 38 years old after spending nine seasons at two different stops (VCU and Oklahoma). Capel is feared because of his background and current employer. He got Blake Griffin to OU and Eric Maynor to VCU and has pulled in Jabari Parker, Rodney Hood and Matt Jones since he joined Mike Krzyzewski’s staff at Duke.

8. Justin Hutson, San Diego State Aztecs
Hutson returned to San Diego State after a brief stop at UNLV, where he helped bring a ton of high-level talent to Vegas. His efforts in helping to build the Aztecs to a national level are what make him one of the most talked-about West Coast recruiters around. He was key in San Diego State landing Kawhi Leonard and Jamaal Franklin.

9. Jerome Tang, Baylor Bears
He’s been a huge reason for the influx of talent to Waco in recent years. He helped get Tweety Carter, Perry Jones III, Quincy Miller and Isaiah Austin, among others. Without Tang, Baylor wouldn’t be nationally relevant season after season.

10. Jeff Boals, Ohio State Buckeyes
He recruited Zeke Marshall to Akron and has helped get Aaron Craft, Marc Loving, Keita Bates-Diop and D’Angelo Russell to Columbus. The Buckeyes have done a terrific job recruiting since Thad Matta arrived, and Boals is a worker who has made certain the program sustains its excellence on the recruiting trail.

11. Kenny Johnson, Indiana Hoosiers
Pat Skerry hired him at Towson out of the Team Takeover AAU program, and Tom Crean grabbed him after just one season. The big man has paid immediate dividends, helping to bring in Noah Vonleh, Stan Robinson and Troy Williams -- all part of a stellar freshman class that arrives in Bloomington this season. He has been on Crean’s staff since May 2012 and has already gotten plenty done.

12. Jerrance Howard, Kansas Jayhawks
He was on Bruce Weber’s staff at Illinois then spent last season with Larry Brown at SMU before joining his former college coach Bill Self at Kansas a few months ago. Howard is extremely well-liked and will be tough to beat with the Kansas name on his shirt. His notches thus far include Jereme Richmond, Meyers Leonard and Brandon Paul.

13. Dwayne Stephens, Michigan State Spartans
He is low-key, doesn’t self-promote and gets things done in East Lansing. It obviously doesn’t hurt to have Tom Izzo in charge. However, Stephens is considered one of the best in the country, and his track record includes landing Draymond Green, Gary Harris, Delvon Roe and Kalin Lucas.

14. Tommy Lloyd, Gonzaga Bulldogs
The Gonzaga coach-in-waiting does his work quietly, and much of it overseas. People are nervous when they see him because he does a lot of his work under the radar. He’s gotten a ton of quality players from outside the country (e.g., Ronny Turiaf, Kevin Pangos, Elias Harris, Robert Sacre, Przemek Karnowski) and can also get work done in the U.S. Lloyd, for example, was key in Gonzaga adding Micah Downs and Jeremy Pargo.

15. Orlando Early, NC State Wolfpack
Here’s another former head coach on the list. He was the head man at Louisiana-Monroe for five seasons and was an assistant at Charlotte and Alabama before getting the head-coaching gig. He helped get Rodney White to Charlotte and was key in landing Kennedy Winston and Alonzo Gee at Alabama. He was the point man in getting T.J. Warren to NC State.

16. Chad Dollar, Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
He’s been with Brian Gregory for the past couple of seasons but moved around before that a bit -- Wichita State, LSU, Arkansas State, Murray State and Georgia Southern. He recruited Carl Hall to Wichita and Elton Nesbitt to Georgia Southern and helped Pierre get Marcus Thornton and Anthony Randolph to LSU. Dollar also helped pull Robert Carter and Marcus Georges-Hunt to Tech.

17. Steve Wojciechowski, Duke Blue Devils
He’s both feared and respected. Wojo has been a key reason for the Blue Devils’ success on the recruiting trail and has helped land guys like Chris Duhon, J.J. Redick, Shavlik Randolph, Kyle Singler, Shelden Williams and Josh McRoberts.

18. Russell Springmann, Texas Longhorns
The Longhorns have fallen off a bit lately, but Springmann was still responsible for getting Kevin Durant, D.J. Augustin and Damion James to Austin. He’s extremely well-respected within the industry.

19. Brian Dutcher, San Diego State Aztecs
He’ll be the next coach of the Aztecs once Steve Fisher retires, but Dutcher is a feared recruiter dating back to his days when he helped land the Fab Five at Michigan. Justin Hutson, Brian Dutcher and Tony Bland (now at USC) recruited much of the current team, with Dutcher hauling in a pair of key transfers: Tulane forward Josh Davis and Arizona big man Angelo Chol.

T-20. Tony Stubblefield, Oregon Ducks
He developed a strong reputation as a recruiter while at Cincinnati for Mick Cronin and has continued it in the Pac-12 with Oregon where he's landed Damyean Dotson and Dominic Artis. He helped get Yancy Gates, Lance Stephenson and Sean Kilpatrick to the Bearcats in his time there.

T-20. Chris Jans, Wichita State Shockers
I’m putting Jans in the high-major category because of the school support and the fact the program went to the Final Four. The former junior college head coach has been huge in the Shockers’ success over the past few seasons -- including the Final Four berth last season. He brought in Garrett Stutz, Joe Ragland and Ron Baker.

Why in the world a UK guy isn't top 3 is beyond me, lol. Just cuz Hopkins is taking over doesn't mean he's gonna send shivers down more spines at an AAU event than one of Cal's cronies.

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Cuse's recruiting was not good in the late 90s. 98' 99, 00 were basically 3 dud classes in a row.

After that they took Bernie Fine(hopefully the last time I type that name)off the road and sent Hopkins(and Troy Weaver who did work and then went to the NBA) out instead and things changed immediately. The first two classes he was involved in were the freshman/soph classes that made up the majority of the 2003 national title team. And Cuse has been recruiting well ever since. They went 10 years between McDonald All Americans(John Wallace '92-Carmelo Anthony '02) and have signed quite a few since Melo, so Hopkins' work can't be overlooked.

He was a strong recruiter before he got the "head coach in waiting" tag. He's been really good for over a decade and has the clout of being named head coach in waiting at a top school so I don't think his #2 is undeserved.

I think Adrian Autry will be on lists like these before long, he just doesn't have enough time in yet.

Cuz Cal is doing unprecedented things in recruiting right now.

I'm not saying Hopkins should be bumped from the list or anything, your points are well-taken... but Cuse's recruiting since Cal went to UK and Cal's recruiting since he went to UK? No comparison.

I'm just surprised a UK guy isn't Top 3 MINIMUM.

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Personally I just assumed it was Cal who was largely responsible for that, as his hot streak started before he even got to UK. TRBO would know though and hes giving the assistants props.....but then again he laughs at former Wildcats stomping on bums and wasn't fully happy with getting 6 in the top 50, so I don't know if that's Kentucky bias showing through or not.

As far as Hopkins being # 2.....I mean for his whole tenure as a recruiter, Cuse has been consistently bringing in top ten or so classes whenever they have room to take in a decent amount of recruits. So if #2 is a stretch, it's not a big one just based on numbers. And beyond numbers, his track record of being a strong recruiter for a number of years as well as apparantly already having the keys to program in the future, has gotta count for something I would think.

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arizona hit a home run with that hire

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Overall, Matta is the better coach, but Miller definitely is one of the best recruiters in the nation

Dayton has a pretty strong team this year...

his phone will be ringing next spring

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As soon as he has some success at Dayton, he is gone. Their other brother, Brandon, is the new head coach at Butler. So the Miller family doing pretty well in the coaching ranks.

Lavin and Hamilton definitely shouldn't be above Matta in any debate.

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