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It's obvious we look for different parameters for judging dunkers.
Creativity is a key factor to me but not the only one. Rise, Power, Hangtime, Style and impact relative to the time are just as important. You are letting your 'modern' mentality overlap objectivity. The reason J-Rich HAD to be creative is because no one could execute MJ/Nique/Dr. J's dunks in a more impressive fashion than they did.
So he has to do a windmill off a lob/bounce and let's not act like J-Rich didn't do a standard windmill (and FOH with either being MORE impressive than a standard Nique windmill).
The two handed windmill off the lob/bounce reverse was cold as hell tho. Then he does a windmill off a lob/bounce then another 360 double clutch off a lob/bounce. So he's done the same dunks just off the bounce. Double clutch reverse off the bounce. Then the finale, which was dope as hell.
But let's stop acting like this:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/01/05/20100104_dominique_85dunk_contest.nba/index.html
Was the 1950's. 65% of those dunks would son most of the shit these dudes trot out in contest today.
Watch the power in Nique's dunks. Look at both of their hang times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqAP5tmWl7M&feature=player_embedded#!
J-Rich was all vert. Nigga had no distance on his dunks. He had to jump high to execute but MJ and Nique jumped high AND glided while executing. And none of these dudes rock the cradle anymore cuz that shit is HARD to do and land it.
They'd be on their Birdman 20th do-over trying to nail it.
>Vince had ONE "super dope" dunk and a few cool dunks. J-Rich's >02 performance>>>>>>>Vince's overall. That reverse 180 off the >bounce (one handed if I remember correctly) bodies everything >Vince did in his contest.
Smh...I can't even roll with you on this one man. Just put up a poll CT with Vince, Nique, Blake, Kemp, J-Rich videos and see who wins lol.
>Vince had hype and the return of the contest on his side. J >fucking smashed the contest into a whole new era of creativity >and reset the bar.
There was hype for reason. He tore that shit down dude.
>Oh and his through the legs off the glass makes it even worse >for Vince. Nothing Vince did is anywhere near that level of >creativity, difficulty or athleticism. Oh and his through the >legs reverse in 03? It's GOAT.
Nah man...that through the legs reverse was nasty I'll give you that but it's JUST vert. Vince showed vert, power, hangtime/glide AND creativity. More complete to me.
>I could care less who was "more powerful". This shit ain't >about power, it's about creativity. Unless you're shit is baby >soft, how hard you dunk is a VERY minor element. We're not >watching to see who rattles the rim harder, we're watching who >get's there in the most creative way.
See we just dont see it the same way.
>LOL. The three dunks I named fuck Vince up the ass and nuts in >his mouth. The Vince contest being a high mark is also a >testament to actual stars participating, and the fact that the >contest had returned.
Only if you looking for high jumpers...and you keep overstating that hype shit. Vince delivered BEYOND expectations.
>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Nique and Mike are pretty boring in >comparison. ALL you got about Nique is power and that shit >really doesn't matter. That's a poor argument for Nique, >because you know good and well he is not fucking with J >creatively.
Not at all. You just biased lol
>This is absurd. The difficulty "edge"? That gap is wide as >fuck in J's favor. Creativity? Another massive gap favoring J. >Power? Nobody cares about that shit. It's so immaterial it's >hysterical.
I whole heartedly disagree. If you jumpstraight up and dunk executing a few moves it's impressive. If you jump 6 feet away, float to the basket executing moves, that's more impressive to me. And the 'type' of movement makes a difference too. A windmill or double clutch is a vertical movement from down to up. Rocking the cradle is a side to side movement and you have to have enough lift to go side to side and pull that shit up at the right time to get it over the rim (and in MJ's case, while gliding).
>Super creative? SUPER creative? Nah. The last decade has been >super creative, despite some valleys in the midst of those >astounding peaks, and Mike nor Nique is fucking with it. At >all. It's not even a discussion. It's a nostalgia thing and >nothing more. Those two have been lapped in the creative >department several times over.
Bias with NO evidence or explanation besides "I like new shit". C'mon CT.
>Iggy's behind the backboard jam sons everything either guy >ever did. Had someone else pulled that shit out in the >Mike/Nique contest? It's a wrap.
Bullshit.
>The fist in the rim is an impressive athletic feat but a >visually boring dunk. The two handed glide is in the same >category.
That shit was incredible and a powerful visual. "Fuck all your fancy arm movements, I'm gonna stuff my ARM in this bitch to show you it's real." Very creative and didn't require the fluff of a lob/bounce.
>Sorry AB, I like you an shit but you're way, way, way off. >Your Chi loyalty and nostalgia are impeding your objectivity.
nope, I like more about dunking than just jumping high.
>J is in a league by himself with the three dunks I mentioned. >You keep finding ways to trivialize them but the arguments are >pretty weak for Nique (The fact that you keep bringing up his >power in a contest of creativity seems a little desperate) and >Mike (he's so graceful! lol). > >Vince realistically had one OMG dunk and two others on par >(the T Mac and the behind the back board), and J's three sons >those. >
We agree to disagree. ____________
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