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j.
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"PRhyme on Juan Ep & Combat Jack"


  

          

I got the album, haven't heard it yet
so I appreciate the snippets they played on CJ
but I felt (and I can't believe I'm about to type this)
that Juan Ep was the better interview

why? Rosenberg actually let these dudes TALK
which is something that apparently CJ has a problem with
and then of course, the "what happened here" questions to Primo about his classics

Another thing, as much of a douchebag that Dallas was, he balanced out the show
Pete is cool, but he just pretty much co-signs and chea! nowadays

Primo got his shot in to Cipha, calling out his "i'm too cool for school" anti-hip hop schtick

But, let's see what happens when 15 goes on CJ
cuz his Juan Ep with Chris Rock is a classic

  

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I feel the opposite.
Dec 18th 2014
1
That last stretch of Dallas Penn was pretty bad. All he did was sidetra...
Dec 19th 2014
2
Combat Jack can be more irritating than Peter and that's hard to do
Dec 19th 2014
3
I had NO IDEA Adrian Younge was involved. I had no interest until now.
Dec 19th 2014
4
He's not involved
Dec 19th 2014
5
      how is having your music sampled exclusively not being involved?
Dec 19th 2014
8
           Adrian Younge originals sampled, chopped, sliced, etc by Primo
Dec 19th 2014
9
           So you wouldn't have checked for the album if not for the AY samples?
Dec 19th 2014
11
                Nope
Dec 20th 2014
12
RE: PRhyme on Juan Ep & Combat Jack
Dec 19th 2014
6
RE: PRhyme on Juan Ep & Combat Jack
Dec 21st 2014
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Heard the Juan Ep last week.
Dec 19th 2014
7
I checked out both Combat Jack and Juan Epstein.
Dec 19th 2014
10
Damn even Adrian Younge couldn't tell where Primo got the samples
Dec 21st 2014
13
The Juan EP/Combat Jack thing is mostly racial/cultural
Dec 21st 2014
15
Cocaine and pussy! (c) Russell Simmons in Amsterdam
Dec 21st 2014
16
To borrow a nickname from Star of Star and Buckwild
Dec 21st 2014
17
      Rosenslob will never not be funny
Dec 21st 2014
18
completely disagree, Rosenberg was unbearable, ignored royce the whole t...
Dec 22nd 2014
19
Whoa. Juan Epstein was UNLISTENABLE. Good grief.
Dec 26th 2014
20
No idea why you and the other lessonheads gave him a pass
Dec 26th 2014
21
      Hi Kreay_show. He's your cousin, relates to your demographic
Dec 26th 2014
22
i've only listened to the CJ interview..i enjoyed it...
Dec 26th 2014
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High Society
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1. "I feel the opposite."
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At least with the 15 and Rock episode.
It was kinda garbage to me.
Quest went in there with the TOP 5 idea for the episode
and the Rosenberg and Ciph couldn't keep the show on track.

Got into too much other stuff, not enough hiphop for me.
And that's what Juan Ep is supposed to be.

The PRhyme episode was real dope though.
So was this episode of the Combat Jack show.

Enjoyed both, well worth the time.

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2. "That last stretch of Dallas Penn was pretty bad. All he did was sidetra..."
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the conversations. I loved the old days when it was just Dallas and Combat going back and forth, but once the team grew it just seemed like Dallas wanted to keep winging it, and there wasn't much space for that anymore. When he came in to that first "Rap Genius" episode (he had been dissing them) without any actual points to make, that was the beginning of the end for me.

I'm a much bigger fan of Combat Jack than Juan Ep, but I don't see how his Questlove episode will be able to top Questlove & Chris on Juan Ep. Cipha & Rosenberg's opinions are part of the show, which allows them to sometimes break off into an interesting mini-debate. That's what made Chris & Quest on Juan Ep so good.

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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3. "Combat Jack can be more irritating than Peter and that's hard to do"
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4. "I had NO IDEA Adrian Younge was involved. I had no interest until now."
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5. "He's not involved"
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Fri Dec-19-14 12:42 PM by Nick Has a Problem..

  

          

Album is dope though!

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8. "how is having your music sampled exclusively not being involved?"
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Fri Dec-19-14 02:50 PM by hardware

          

iont mean like he was in the lab with him
but that his music is a big part of the album

  

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9. "Adrian Younge originals sampled, chopped, sliced, etc by Primo"
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sounds like heavy involvement

  

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11. "So you wouldn't have checked for the album if not for the AY samples?"
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12. "Nope"
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6. "RE: PRhyme on Juan Ep & Combat Jack"
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We all know Primo is a Legend but most of that show was about him and not the group and they could have engaged Royce some more (pause)


There were a few beats I wanted to know about..

Come Clean, Kick in the Door which is probably my favorite primo beat of all times..

and

The Crooklyn beat he did with them bells....

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14. "RE: PRhyme on Juan Ep & Combat Jack"
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Yo I think Royce might've talked for all of 2 minutes?

  

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7. "Heard the Juan Ep last week. "
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I'll check CJ out, since I just tried to get into the show again this week.

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10. "I checked out both Combat Jack and Juan Epstein."
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Both were cool but Combat has the edge. I enjoyed how they ran through the entire PRhyme album song for song and discussed them in depth.

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13. "Damn even Adrian Younge couldn't tell where Primo got the samples "
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Sun Dec-21-14 09:29 AM by Garhart Poppwell

  

          

from to chop, and he hade the music. That's quite a testament to Primo's ear and technical skill.
Of course you won't hear a peep about that part of the interview, as it doesn't fit the OKP narrative about his skill level, but it was pretty fascinating to hear how Younge thought it brought his inspiration to create music full circle.

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15. "The Juan EP/Combat Jack thing is mostly racial/cultural"
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Real black men tend to ID with Combat because artists
can be themselves, and the conversations sound like
actual black men talking to each other, outside of the
limelight...sometimes that means less music details,
less material covered, but it always means its more
genuine

For example; I have read and heard dozens of Russell
Simmons interviews and the MOST GENUINE one EVER was the one
on Combat...by far.

Juan Ep is 100% music nerdom...the artists are not nearly
as comfortable, but the interviews can be good because
they are focused and nerdy (which there is NOTHING wrong
with...sometimes hearing about that shit is good)

I tend to lean Combat, because I'm a strong African
American man, and prefer to hear people be themselves
at the expense of the details

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16. "Cocaine and pussy! (c) Russell Simmons in Amsterdam"
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I definitely preferred CJ's handling of PRhyme over Juan Ep. Cpmbat actually involved all 3 parties discussing the project, where Pete and Cyph nerded out over old Primo tracks. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but there was little discussion on the current project they are promoting. When Juan Ep does their Premier only interview, I'll tune in, but for PRhyme, Combat and co. did a better job

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17. "To borrow a nickname from Star of Star and Buckwild"
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Sun Dec-21-14 04:15 PM by Numba_33

  

          

the issue between Chuck D and Rosenslob is still in the back of my mind in terms of my preference between Combat Jack and Juan Epstein. Call it holding onto a grudge, but I can't get that out of my head when even I think about wanting to listen to that podcast. The fact a radio DJ in NYC would disrespect a NY hip hop legend is bad enough, muchless the racial politics of it bother me too much to let that go.

That aside, I don't like listening to the Juan Epstein podcasts in general because fuckface Rosenberg tends to make the interviews about himself a bit too much, and I just don't care enough about him to want to hear him interrupt guests so he can give his six cents on what the guest is speaking on. At least I've heard that from the few episodes I tried to make it through from Juan Epstein. The Chris Rock/?uestlove episode is about the only podcast I was able to stomach in full mainly because Chris Rock was able to speak long enough to give good insight on the questions asked. While Combat Jack does interrupt guests at times, I get the feeling he cares what the guests have to say given the depth of the questions he asks the guests.

  

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18. "Rosenslob will never not be funny"
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>the issue between Chuck D and Rosenslob is still in the back
>of my mind in terms of my preference between Combat Jack and
>Juan Epstein. Call it holding onto a grudge, but I can't get
>that out of my head when even I think about wanting to listen
>to that podcast. The fact a radio DJ in NYC would disrespect a
>NY hip hop legend is bad enough, muchless the racial politics
>of it bother me too much to let that go.
>

I can understand this stance, from both sides. I pretty much look at it like a kid talking to a man out of turn with flagrance, and that seems to be how Chuck takes it too.


>That aside, I don't like listening to the Juan Epstein
>podcasts in general because fuckface Rosenberg tends to make
>the interviews about himself a bit too much, and I just don't
>care enough about him to want to hear him interrupt guests so
>he can give his six cents on what the guest is speaking on. At
>least I've heard that from the few episodes I tried to make it
>through from Juan Epstein. The Chris Rock/?uestlove episode is
>about the only podcast I was able to stomach in full mainly
>because Chris Rock was able to speak long enough to give good
>insight on the questions asked. While Combat Jack does
>interrupt guests at times, I get the feeling he cares what the
>guests have to say given the depth of the questions he asks
>the guests.

Osse really seems excited about his guests, and that's why he cuts them off constantly. Talking over people because of excitement is something that happens a lot on that show, and even though it's annoying it doesn't seem to be malicious.

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19. "completely disagree, Rosenberg was unbearable, ignored royce the whole t..."
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and slobbed Primo the whole time... Thought it was a fun Primo interview, but a terrible PRHYME interview


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20. "Whoa. Juan Epstein was UNLISTENABLE. Good grief. "
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Anyone who likes the Juan Ep interview more than the
Combat Jack one is...just...LOL

No.

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21. "No idea why you and the other lessonheads gave him a pass"
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Dude has always been corny. You just rode his dick for a decade because he talked shit about Nicki Minaj and other female rappers.

  

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22. "Hi Kreay_show. He's your cousin, relates to your demographic"
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white kids who fetishize gun violence and ignorance

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23. "i've only listened to the CJ interview..i enjoyed it..."
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..makes me appreciate the album even more...
album is really really good tho...one of my favs for 2014

  

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