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imcvspl
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"Regarding contemporary jazz in Europe"


  

          

Warning: This is not going to be that post about all the best bands doing the jazz thing out in Europe, cause I don't even know who they are and wouldn't actively seek them out. Jazz isn't dead it's just boring because of the lack of risk (obviously not everyone, and thank you but I don't need counterexamples).

But that is not the topic, the topic today really stems from this:
http://www.researchcatalogue.net/view/21732/21733

No, I'm not expecting you to read all of that, but start with the premise which the writer/composer has which is to take the traditional folk music of Austria and create jazz arrangements of it. In so doing he's trying to maintain a level of authenticity both to the traditions of Austrian folk music and to the traditions of Jazz. I'm 99% sure none of you know a thing about Austrian folk music, so the question is how does it sound to you as a reflection of Authentic Big Band Jazz? To listen that first image of the score is actually a video you can play (there are more than one pieces if you want to hear more).

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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haven't listened to this yet BUT this
Aug 26th 2014
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In sweden, that started in the 50's...
Aug 26th 2014
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interesting...
Aug 26th 2014
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yeah i didn't think it was a contemporary movement per se
Aug 26th 2014
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This is probably the most patronizing post I've read
Aug 26th 2014
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lol... reading it back... yea n/m
Aug 26th 2014
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listening to that first one, and dude, it's elevator music
Aug 26th 2014
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lonesome_d
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1. "haven't listened to this yet BUT this"
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>to take the
>traditional folk music of Austria and create jazz arrangements
>of it.

was a thing for a bit in the '90s particularly with regard to the Balkan mini-revival and more particularly with the success of Ivo Papasov.

He's certainly not jazz but the jazz attitude is a huge part of his music, and the jazz market in the US/UK was certainly the secondary realm of success for him (following what was at the time still called the 'world' market).

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album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
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Jakob Hellberg
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Tue Aug-26-14 09:10 AM

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2. "In sweden, that started in the 50's..."
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...with Lars Gullin and artists like that making "fäbodsjazz" which wasn't really some fusion or "pop" but "pure" jazz with the tonal language inspired by local music. Actually, the most successful jazz-album of all time here is Jan Johansson's "Jazz på svenska" (1964) which is strictly stripped-down, piano/bass jazz covers of old swedish folk-tunes.

Basically, this concept isn't very contemporary even if I'm not sure how common it was all over europe back in the day.

  

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lonesome_d
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3. "interesting..."
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>Actually, the most successful jazz-album of all time here is
>Jan Johansson's "Jazz på svenska" (1964) which is strictly
>stripped-down, piano/bass jazz covers of old swedish
>folk-tunes.

sounds up my alley

-------
so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

  

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imcvspl
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Tue Aug-26-14 09:25 AM

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4. "yeah i didn't think it was a contemporary movement per se"
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just noting that it is a recent project.

what struck me about this is the use of the word 'authenticity' and the question as to why its important, or for that matter at this stage why its important to associate it with jazz.

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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stattic
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5. "This is probably the most patronizing post I've read"
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during my time here. Well done.

  

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imcvspl
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6. "lol... reading it back... yea n/m"
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█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄▁▃
Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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lonesome_d
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7. "listening to that first one, and dude, it's elevator music"
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there are some interesting interludes and whatnot, but in general it sounds like Big Band Jazz of the variety played by the house band on Name That Tune. I feel like I need a highball.

>so the question is how does
>it sound to you as a reflection of Authentic Big Band Jazz?
>To listen that first image of the score is actually a video
>you can play (there are more than one pieces if you want to
>hear more).

-------
so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

  

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