http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sokdL-0iV9s

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

did a dude with a shirt that says vegan get shot? WTF? LMAO!

I'm completely out of the loop when it comes to rock nowadays but that talk shit get shot sounds like some early 90's shit

not that there's anything wrong with that, but is that what they been sounding like? Soundgarden and RATM?

Their not the most challenging or progressive sounding metal band.
Some of their songs aren't even metal, imo.
I just liked the novelty of songs like "There Goes the Neighborhood", and "CopKiller".
Plus, their 1992 album cover was bad ass.
Soundgarden was waaay more melodic than BC.
RATM: well...... they just suck.
But I understand how metalheads just aren't able to take BC seriously.
Their sound is very cookie-cutter generic rock/metal/punk.

>RATM: well...... they just suck.

Id argue that their first album is overrated, but the rest of their cannon is spectacular as far as riffs, songwriting and Zach's Mcing is concerned.

If you're referring to Evil Empire, then..... maybe there are 2 songs that might stand out.
Tom Morello making his guitar sound like a record getting scratched is only entertaining up to a certain point before it becomes as annoying as Zach's growl rapping.
Political content doesn't bother me, but his delivery is nauseating.
I can't even pick most of their songs apart from one another.
They should've been raging against the redundancy (in their song writing).
Or better yet, rage against the monotony.
Plus, they have the most boring riffs/guitar solos I have ever heard in a mainstream band.
Case in point: that "Freedom" solo.
Pick any song, even.
Worst of all, their music just sounds like an MTV ad campaign for "rock the vote".

Everything clicks

"Down Rodeo" is stunning - that song particularly overwhelms me

"Bulls on parade" is the recognized front runner like Nirvana's "Smells like teen spirit" only "Bulls on parade" aged extremely well

"People of the sun" was so good that it built Limp Bizkit's career...for, if you didn't know, "Nookie" is a straight rip of "people of the sun"


That would be enough to solidify that "Evil Empire" is a classic. But........the fact that the band and the production CLICK SO HARD...that is the real. Let's look at the facts: Nirvana is a great band, but on "Nevermind" and "In Utero" Nirvana never really clicks. They "pull off" some tunes better than others....but on neither album Nirvana don't make the listener say that Nirvana is hitting the "CORE" (maybe on "Drain you" and several songs on "Incesticide" and a few b sides like "Curmudgeon" and "Even in his youth").

On "Evil Empire" RATM hit it SO HARD with the right production that it knocks over most of the 90's stuff.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7VaZXY_1xuo

Yeah this is music at its finest one of the best bands ever lol

with dat

I guess since I ain't clicking - you did miss me with dat

and then, I wait at least for several replies of the dopes (I mean) OKP's who clicked first.

and when there's some "lol's" with a link that isn't described, I probably ain't gonna click on GP.


So nah, you could have just said what RATM track you were linking.

Like I said "Evil empire" is what I was giving credit - not everything RATM ever did (or whatever that was in the link you didn't care to name).

At least you admit you're not an individual and need folks to guide u on what's "good" in order for you to build up the courage to click a link.
I can clearly tell you it's a rage against the machine song. It really don't matter what song cause they're a shit band.

Oh I can't click on this no one said its good yet. I'm so scared!!! what if it's bad, wait what if I think it's bad but everyone thinks it's good Oh NOOOO!!!!! My cycle's starting

keep trying to link any sub-par material RATM did as taking anything away from "Evil Empire"

Nice try

You failed over and over and over.

any other than what's on "Evil Empire" to be questioned.

Bitch. imma remember this shit.

http://officialfan.proboards.com/thread/209175

Secondly, even if it was them, how are you going to judge a band's legacy - one who has co-headlined with Wu-Tang, vocalist collaborated with KRS-One, El-P, Chuck D, DJ Shadow, etc...legends - on a random commissioned WWE Theme? Lol.

Bandcamp/IG/FB/Twitter: @hecticzeniths

You fucking wrestling fan. DON'T GET MAD AT US YOU STANN'ED HARD FOR AN N.W.O. BITEOFF IN THE 90'S! lol

I'm not a wrestling fan I know Rage fans who play all that Wwf shit with pride.

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as subjective as music is, I'm not sure how you came to a conclusion based on "facts" concerning whether or not Nirvana's music clicks (compared to RATM).
I wasn't being totally dead-serious with Big Reg.
You like what you like.
I don't like RATM. They suck, imo.
Ofcourse, SPIN and Rolling Stone magazine disagrees with me.

Drain You, Beeswax, Mexican Seafood, Aneurysm (and a few others)

what RATM carried out and maintained impressively throughout an ENTIRE CD. (Evil Empire)

Scattered flashes of brilliance vs. being able to give a full compelling picture.


I love Nirvana but I wish they could have achieved the full picture.


In Utero is embarrassing.

I'm all for subjective music-writing but there has to be some limits. Can you at least explain *why* Nirvana succeeded on those particular songs and failed otherwise so I have some fucking clue.
For the record, I'm not some Nirvana-stan by any means and have frequently criticized them over the years, just saying that this argument you are bringing is practically incomprehensible to anyone but you...

so that they could have made the connection.

In my initial reply, my thing was about how the SOUND RATM "CLICKED SO HARD" with the PRODUCTION on Evil Empire had this LIKE A "CORE" TYPE THING(in so many words)

This (the whole "seriouis impact "clicking" - CORE" thing) is what Nirvana was sort of known for here and there (and bands since Led Zep etc can be judged on).


Ex: no one rides for Jonathan Fire*Eater in the Lesson like me but for all of the extravagant "style" of JF*E, they don't hit a "CLICK"-ING "CORE" type thing like RATM did on "Evil Empire" and Nirvana did on the songs I listed. Many bands don't


You can say that I'm not making sense, but when a band is "CLICKING" and HITTING HARD LIKE A "CORE" thing....I don't think that is too foreign a concept for rock enthusiasts to grasp.

"Click-ing" is when things are "working" when there is a gravitational "weight" and "swing" and "force" (I really don't think with all the legendary bands who had these aspects, I should have to explain this).

>"Click-ing" is when things are "working" when there is a
>gravitational "weight" and "swing" and "force" (I really don't
>think with all the legendary bands who had these aspects, I
>should have to explain this).

Even though I think it doesn't stand up to the pop sheen of Nevermind, the sludge of their first album, or has stronger songs then any of them plus that singles set.

I agree with your whole click hypothesis, its the examples you give that confuse the fuck outta me

"HEAVY" and have REAL GRAVITATIONAL PULL/FORCE than anything on "In utero"

Nirvana did in "In Utero" with those tracks before "In utero" was released.

...however, I don't really see what being heavy/gravitational have to do with a band clicking. Like, I personally think hte Byrds "clicked" on "Younger than yesterday" for a variety of reasons but that band was never even close to rocking a moshpit...


Personally, I think Nirvana "clicked" on songs like "Been a son", "Stain","ONa plain", "ery ape" etc.-NOT becuase those son gs are particularly gravity-pulling in the Melvins sense but rather that they just sounded like a killer pop-rock band who offered a distinct, personal version of pop-punk that was wastly superior gto the Offspring or Green Day.

The Nirvana pon the demos you mentioned is pretty much a pigfuck band and I love that shit and I dig those demos but it's not really "them" and Kurt himself would agree with that I'm sure.

As for the gravitational-pull thing you mentioned, I thinkm "Milk it" on "In Utero" has it even if I was never convinced by Nirvana as this total noise-RAWK band bedcause of how huge "Nevermind" was; I thought it soundede like them trying too hard and I still feel that way regarding some songs. However, Albinis production definitely showcase the *band* as opposed to Kurt the genius which is a plus and pretty much what Albinis productions at their best was about. Anywahy, regardless of song-quality, I think "In Utero" sounds fresher and better than "Nevermind": shame about the many cliche-soft/loud tunes on there...

"Bleach" still jams though; is youre problem there more to do with the weak, time-typical Jck Endino "grunge-production" or do you actually feel they *attack* the songs with less intensity than they did their demos because that whole Scratch Acid/(early) Butthole Surfers-thing with more melody is still a more "dynamic" style than the more uniform 89 "grunge"-sound on "Bleach". Had Bleach had a more forceful, less monochromatic production, I doubt people would have had ssues with how the band "clicked" or their "gravity-pull" but that's me... maybe you can hear somethig in the musicianship I haven't noticed; I'm not really a big fan so its perfectly possible I missed something but "Bleach" to *me* always sounded like a potentially really intense album that gt shafted due to weak production as opposed to, say, the debuts by TAD or Mu8dhoney who came from the same milieu but sounded better..

Actually, I think thw problem might have been Kurt's metal/Celtic Frost-guitar sound; it's produced as if they were Pixies or R.E.M. or something when itr *should* have been totally in your face; too much indie-credentials at stake whereas a band like Soundgarden took a big dump on that and instead embraced metal full-on and actually got a powerful sound (well, very grey and monochrome as heard on "Louder...") as a result... Just a theory...

>...however, I don't really see what being heavy/gravitational
>have to do with a band clicking. Like, I personally think hte
>Byrds "clicked" on "Younger than yesterday" for a variety of
>reasons but that band was never even close to rocking a
>moshpit...
>
>

yeah, I know "click-ing" can be "applied" a variety of ways. I was emphasizing a rhythmic aspect to heavy music as far as RATM "evil empire", Nirvana and bands like Led Zep, etc.


>Personally, I think Nirvana "clicked" on songs like "Been a
>son", "Stain","ONa plain", "ery ape" etc.-NOT becuase those
>son gs are particularly gravity-pulling in the Melvins sense
>but rather that they just sounded like a killer pop-rock band
>who offered a distinct, personal version of pop-punk that was
>wastly superior gto the Offspring or Green Day.
>


"Stain" sort of, it's straight-forward but it has something. Straight-forward and a rhytmic "heavy thing" usually don't go together.

"Been a son" not to me. At all. Too ragged. On a Nirvana fan-site I used to be heavy on, "Been a son" was heavily joked on.


>The Nirvana pon the demos you mentioned is pretty much a
>pigfuck band and I love that shit and I dig those demos but
>it's not really "them" and Kurt himself would agree with that
>I'm sure.
>

******CRASHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!********

the whole thing about the "clicking" thing to me has good production that truly "connects" with the music as an essential dynamic.

ANDDDDDD..........

I really don't care about(or even check for) production on DEMOS.

All the songs I mentioned are STUDIO VERSIONS. "Curmudgeon" was a "nevermind" era b-side. "Beeswax" was on an indie comp and later "Incestide". "Aneurysm" was on "Incesticide" as a studio version (that I prefer to the "Smells like teen spirit" b side version).

Nah, "clicking" to me has to have stellar production (though music can work with "shoddy" production to some fans - especially a lot of rock fans). That's why I give a lot of credit to what RATM, Brendon, and Andy Wallace achieved on "evil empire"




>As for the gravitational-pull thing you mentioned, I thinkm
>"Milk it" on "In Utero" has it even if I was never convinced
>by Nirvana as this total noise-RAWK band bedcause of how huge
>"Nevermind" was; I thought it soundede like them trying too
>hard and I still feel that way regarding some songs. However,
>Albinis production definitely showcase the *band* as opposed
>to Kurt the genius which is a plus and pretty much what
>Albinis productions at their best was about. Anywahy,
>regardless of song-quality, I think "In Utero" sounds fresher
>and better than "Nevermind": shame about the many
>cliche-soft/loud tunes on there...
>


Even though "Curmudgeon" has a big amount of "gravitational-pull" and "Beeswax" isn't lacking either, I should have mentioned the knock out "Incesticide" version of "Aneurysm" as the "key" to the whole "Nirvana-clicking-gravitational-pull" dynamic thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD0D7IuriWQ


(just had to add this live clip of "Aneurysm")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvwqSMRtoSI

I clicked heavy with "Incesticide" (as if y'all couldn't tell). I was into hip-hop way before I was into rock (surprise, surprise). What I heard on "Incesticide" with tracks like "Aneurysm", "Beeswax", "Mexican Seafood" maybe even "Hairspray Queen" was a rock band that could MAKE RHYTHM A DYNAMIC CATCHY INTENSE MAGNETIC FORCEFUL that wasn't about exactly "punk" or "heavy metal".

That had me really WANTING MORE when I was awaiting "In Utero" to be released.

ANDD...........

"In Utero" was released, and..........I recognized it's good aspects for a lonnnnnggggggggggg while, but.......... "milk it", "pennyroyal tea", "heart shaped box" may have had "heavy-ness" but the RHYTHM WASN'T COMPARING TO THE INCESTICIDE STUFF (esp. not "Curmudgeon" though I wasn't up on "Curmudgeon" yet before "In Utero" was released).

As someone who went crazy in the late 80's because I discovered punk and hardcore punk had all sorts of "dynamic" rhythms, I was too "hyped up" on Nirvana's rhythm thing to not be disappointed in what "In Utero" lacked as compared to "Incesticide".


Now that much time has passed, it's too clear to me that the good qualities of "Scentless Apprentice", "Frances Farmer will have her revenge on Seattle", Radio Friendly Unit Shifter" aren't enough to make me ignore how much I don't like "rape me", "heart shaped box", "very ape", "dumb", "milk it", "penny royal tea" (and how much I am just lukewarm on "serve the servants" and "all apologies".


>"Bleach" still jams though; is youre problem there more to do
>with the weak, time-typical Jck Endino "grunge-production" or
>do you actually feel they *attack* the songs with less
>intensity than they did their demos because that whole Scratch
>Acid/(early) Butthole Surfers-thing with more melody is still
>a more "dynamic" style than the more uniform 89 "grunge"-sound
>on "Bleach".


Yeah, I must admit "Bleach has a lot of good "attack"/"Clcking" thing on some of the tracks: "swap meet", "mr. Mustache", "Big cheese". Again, I can't mess with demos. You mention "grunge production" and that's what keeps me away from "Bleach".


You mentioned "mono chromatic" about production in a sentence I didn't copy. Yeah, I need color usually. That's one of the reasons why I went so crazy over "Incesticide": "dynamic-clicking-rhythm AND color. That was too much. "Nevermind" had a lot of color and good songs but I like "Drain YOu" so far above most of the other songs on "Nevermind" (because of the "gravitational pull" element of that song) that I've pulled back from most of "nevermind" the way I've realllllllllllllly pulled back from "In Utero".

I approve.
"Pork will NOT kill you. Maybe if I figured out a way to shoot it out of a gun!!!"
But yea,.... the album is decent.
Surprisingly heavy for a mainstream actor who is 56 years old.
Same age as my mom. Wow.
Anyway, I don't really expect to hear "stellar" guitar riffs from Body Count.
They were cheesy back in 1992, and their sound hasn't changed.
Its good cheesy metal, if all you wanna do is mosh/headbang just for the sake of it.
Ice-T's cover of Jay-Z's cover of his own 99 Problems is decent.
Manslaughter pretty much speaks to the male demographic of "a man's man" after a certain age, who doesn't share the current pop cultural zeitgeist.
Songs like "Rehab" make me feel like I'm listening to responsible adults doing a "drug-free America" public service announcement.
Just a tad bit too preachy for my taste in regards to heavy metal.
But still, more power to BC. I can't be mad anytime Black people wanna thrash.
A shame about what happened to Beatmaster V, years ago.

Yeah, that shit is comedy

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I think the reality is that even a video featuring rich white people getting graphically murdered doesn't have the ability to shock these days. We'll see if O'Reilly and company take the bait.

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Not expecting much now.

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I'm really happy for him

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But this other Body Count song is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GevN7Km74&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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a period where I was listening to their first album almost every day

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Good for Ice for staying on his hustle, but it's not for me.