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>Listen, I'm not mad at people saying Rakim but I just think
>Nas took what those MCs did took the next level. And there's
>nothing wrong with that and that's what's supposed to happen.
>Jordan took what Dr. J did to the next level. Or some may say
>Jordan is a greater player than Kobe like Rakim is a greater
>MC than Nas but to me, IWW was Nas dropping 81.
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I agree but with FTL and LTRHE Rakim won the chip, dunk contest and MVP all in the same year but doing it two times in a row
>>there's others I'd name before it as well, like Kool Keith
>on
>>Critical Beatdown,
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>Nah man...nah
>
you can deny that all you want but his work on that album would be stellar if it came out today, much less in the late 8o's
the guy invented new techniques and patterns almost out of thin air, and when you think about the era as being the most lyrically fertile in the genre's history, that isn't a small accomplishment
>I love G Rap...always liked him more than Kane but the only
>dude from that era I'm not going to really argue with is
>Rakim. Nas passed all the others. Nas is just more versatile
>than G Rap.
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he hasn't 'passed' anybody, that isn't what this is about
he's more versatile than G Rap but we're talking performance over an album, and his on WDOA is better than IWW in my opinion
>or KRS on KRS-One
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>Nah man...nah. Lol. We've already had this conversation on
>here. The way I see it is: Rakim, KRS, G Rap. But I dont
>have KRS that high for his flat out lyricism. Dude is at
>times very basic as far as his rhyme structure and excels at
>his diction and delivery. I also love the self-titled but
>there are many albums I would name as lyrically better than
>that joint.
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lyricism isn't about being complex, it's about how your write your verses
tons of people have complex verses but aren't lyrical; others write very simply and are extremely lyrical with their verses
>>but IWW is significant in that Nas didn't reinvent the wheel
>>lyrically, but instead took material that had been used time
>>and time again and added another dimension to it by finding
>>ways to make what was usually above-it-all material and made
>>it seem personal
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>This is what I'm talking about. And what you explained is the
>definition of reinventing the wheel. He took what people were
>doing and added to it and put his touch on it and in doing so
>improved upon it. This is what I mean by people giving more
>credit to the originators. For some reason in Hip-Hop it's
>seen as impossible for someone to be greater than that Rakim/G
>Rap/KRS/Kane era. Dyson didn't invent the vacuum but they
>made that shit better.
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that's not reinventing the wheel, that's putting different treads on the tire
innovation isn't about upping the guy that came before you, it's more about taking what someone else did and finding yourself in it, then moving it in another direction
if you're able to do that it isn't something that makes you automatically better than the other guy just because you did it
Nas' performance in IWW is incredible by any standard, but he didn't do enough to pass those guys on my list with it or anything else he's ever done, that's all (understand that I think that once you're a great then you're a great and that's it, and anything else comes to personal preference only)
if I were doing what you said then I'd tell you Caz, Mel and Mo Dee are no lower than top 3-which I don't believe while having all of them in my personal top ten
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