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"Give me that beat fool: a history of Jay-Z jackin' for beats"
Mon Jul-29-13 06:26 PM by Chanson

  

          

Year: 1996
Album: Reasonable Doubt
Song(s): Politics As Usual & Feelin' It
Victim: Camp Lo

In 1996 producer Ski Beatz, then simply known as Ski, was simultaneously working on the albums Uptown Saturday Night for Camp Lo and Reasonable Doubt for Jay-Z. During the sessions he would play what Jay was working on for Camp Lo and what Camp Lo was working on for Jay. It seems Jay liked what he heard because he convinced Camp Lo to part ways with two of their tracks, "Politics As Usual" and "Feelin' It". In the case of "Feelin' It" Jay kept the same flow and hook that Camp Lo used.

Jay, however, was unsuccessful in getting Camp Lo to part with the beat for "Luchini".

Camp Lo - Feelin' It (Demo):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrHvVTxMR8A



Year: 1998
Album: Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life
Song(s): Can I Get A...
Victim: Ja Rule

Def Jam's newest artist at the time, Ja Rule, was working on his soon to be released debut album, Venni Vetti Vecci. During a session in which Jay was present he heard Ja Rule's version of Can I Get A..., which was said to be way more explicit in content. Jay convinced Ja to give him the record for his new album, Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life, arguing that Ja's album would take a long time to be released.

Ja agreed to give Jay the track, which Jay cleaned up and turned into a radio hit. He even allowed Ja to be featured on the single for exposure.



Year: 2000
Album: The Dynasty: Roc La Familia
Song(s): I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me)
Victim: Sparks (of Oschino & Sparks)

Ok, not so much a beat jack as much jackin' a hook (which is why he's featured on the song). Listen to Sparks describe the full time jack move:

http://youtu.be/4jHIkvAn11Q?t=1m14s



Year: 2001
Album: The Blueprint
Song(s): Never Change
Victim: Payroll

Back in the early parts of this decade, when Kanye (West) was just a young up-and-coming producer, he produced a track for a rising Chicago “gangster” rapper (sorry, you know how I hate labels), by the name of Payroll, and that track became known as “Never Change”. A short while later an almost identical version of “Never Change” showed up on one of this decades biggest hip hop albums, Jay-Z’s The Blueprint. To add insult to injury, Kanye re-spit Payroll’s hook “I’m still fuckin’ with crime, cause Crime pays, Out hustlin’, same clothes for days”, bar for bar on Jigga’s version. Needless to say, Payroll was a little less than pleased when he heard his exact song, that he’d paid for, on a Jay-Z album. I guess what Jay-Z wants, Jay-Z gets. I just wonder if Jay knew anything about the Payroll version, and if he possibly mumbled something to Kanye about swiping the hook?

So you can consider Payroll as an uncredited inspiration and writer on, quite possibly, Jay-Z’s greatest album ever.

source: http://www.fakeshoredrive.com/2008/06/payroll-never-change-prod-by-kanye-west.html/

Payroll - Never Change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKOWrot5Eo



Year: 2001
Album: The Blueprint
Song(s): Renegade
Victim: Bad Meets Evil

“That record was actually made... We were starting to make that record. It was a situation where Jay had called me and I had another record that I wanted to present to him,” he told MTV News’ Sway. “At the time, we were recording on two-inch reels. What happened was there was a beat that I had an idea for me and Jay to do a song together. But the reel with the beat on it was in L.A., and I was in Detroit and Jay was on a deadline.”

Instead of whipping up a new beat, Em took out Royce’s verse to make room for Jay. “I kind of approached Jay like, ‘Yo what about this record? I already have this, it’s already here.’ And he was working a deadline. He was working on a real short window of time to get it done, so that was kind of how that record came about,” he continued. “I actually sent him the track and he put his verses on there and sent it back and I mixed it.”

source: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.15220/title.eminem-details-how-jay-zs-renegade-originally-featured-royce-da-59



Year: 2006
Album: Kingdom Come
Song(s): Kingdom Come & Come On Baby
Victim: Saigon

"Jay-Z was jacking for beats baby," Saigon said. "We were working at Baseline (Studios) and we're like a close family. Jay would come around, pop up every now and again and me and Just (Blaze) were in there working hard. Just would give me a gang of beats at a time and every now and again one would come up missing. One I'd write to or really loved then the next thing you know, there'd be a big meeting and they'd say, 'Sai, we need to talk to you. You know that beat we had? The one you were loving? Yeah, big homie's got that now.' And you know big homie's Jay-Z. He did that to me about three or four times. 'Kingdom Come' was mine. 'Come On Baby' was mine, he took it, did his thing to it and then gave it back because he didn't want to use it," he explained. "He gave it back to me but was like, 'You can keep the verse I left on there.' So I was like cool, you know what I mean? That was a big homie move because you can't buy a Jay-Z verse. You can't go to Jay-Z and say, 'Hey, we got a hundred thousand for you to get on the record.' He'd wipe his ass with a hundred thousand dollars. That's why he said that line, 'You wanna be in the public, send your budget,' that means your whole recording budget. That means if you get him, there's no money for producers, studio time, nothing. Send your budget."

source: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13360/title.saigon-talks-jay-z-jacking-his-beats



Year: 2009
Album: The Blueprint 3
Song(s): Real As It Gets
Victim: Young Jeezy

"I’ma keep it real, it was a record that we did for Jeezy. Khaled sent him the record and when Jeezy heard it, he was blown away. He did the record, recorded it. He said “this is going to be my first single, so I’ma try to get Jay on it.”

…Jay heard the beat and was like ‘I need this.’ Who’s gonna tell Jay-Z no? Jeezy said ‘let it ride, let’s go’ and it’s the movie it is now.

- The Inkredibles’ manager DJ Nasty (one-half of We The Best Management)

source: http://nahright.com/news/2009/09/11/video-real-as-it-gets-was-jeezys-first-single/



Year: 2013
Album: Magna Carta... Holy Grail
Song(s): FuckWithMeYouKnowIGotIt
Victim: Rick Ross

Allhiphop: “Fuckwithmeyouknowigotit” was originally a Rick Ross track. How did it end up on Magna Carta Holy Grail?

Vinylz Talk: Basically, Rick Ross wanted Jay on a feature for his record, but I guess when Jay heard it he was like, “I need this for my album.” You know Ross is not going to say no to Jay.

source: http://allhiphop.com/2013/07/19/exclusive-vinylz-talks-working-with-jay-z-drake-boi-1da-and-his-new-obsession/

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interesing post. how u forget Renegade tho?
Jul 29th 2013
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Edited to include Detroit
Jul 29th 2013
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that's on all those other cats for what they did to cold crush tho
Jul 29th 2013
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LOL n/m
Jul 29th 2013
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I'd rather hear Jay than every single nigga he jacked from
Jul 29th 2013
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RE: I'd rather hear Jay than every single nigga he jacked from
Jul 29th 2013
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Couldn't have. At least I wouldn't have heard of em
Jul 29th 2013
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that's not even their first single
Jul 29th 2013
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      Jay would have murdered that beat in 96
Jul 29th 2013
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      It's not but that's THEIR single. I hadn't heard of them until that
Jul 29th 2013
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           interesting. I bet, but they'll always be the Sparkle guys to me
Jul 30th 2013
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Coolie High was pretty big before Luchini popped off
Jul 29th 2013
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I personally am glad he got 'Politics As Usual'
Jul 30th 2013
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was there any fallout from Em taking Royce's verses off?
Jul 29th 2013
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No, Royce wrote about it couple years back, said Hell yea!
Jul 29th 2013
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how did they leave off 'PSA' & 'Stay Real' Black Moon?
Jul 29th 2013
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that was just the same sample tho
Jul 29th 2013
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I actually thought about something last week when playing "Luchini"
Jul 29th 2013
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those verses are extra insturments on that record
Jul 29th 2013
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Jay mighta tried the hook & done ok, course he woulda killed the verses
Jul 29th 2013
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didn't ?uest influence Jay's decision to use
Jul 29th 2013
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 30th 2013
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RE: didn't ?uest influence Jay's decision to use
Jul 30th 2013
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So The Lesson Is: Don't Ask For Jay-Z To Guest Appear On Your...
Jul 29th 2013
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btw, isnt that Geda K doing the hook on "Never Change"
Jul 29th 2013
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plus "Izzo" was originally a Diplomats record
Jul 29th 2013
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Hmm, Cam;s full of shit though
Jul 30th 2013
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I coulda sworn that Izzo beat was for Mike Love's radio show
Jul 30th 2013
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      could be both. n/m
Jul 30th 2013
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Lenny S explained the situation with Sparks
Jul 30th 2013
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People in the industry are proud groupies for Jay, huh?
Jul 30th 2013
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same shit i was thinking
Jul 30th 2013
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RE: Give me that beat fool: a history of Jay-Z jackin' for beats
Jul 30th 2013
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^^^^^ this is right.
Jul 30th 2013
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RE: ^^^^^ this is right.
Jul 30th 2013
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this & the folks who got jacked having legit gripes
Jul 30th 2013
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      Ehh, where are the gripes exactly?
Jul 30th 2013
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           theoretically, if any of the jacked artists had a gripe, my bad
Jul 30th 2013
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if you did a beat for your boy and Nas wanted it, what would you do?
Jul 30th 2013
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RE: if you did a beat for your boy and Nas wanted it, what would you do?
Jul 30th 2013
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      RE: if you did a beat for your boy and Nas wanted it, what would you do?
Jul 30th 2013
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Calling this beat jacking is not understanding how the industry works
Jul 30th 2013
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"All I Need" from the BP is a situation like this too
Jul 30th 2013
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Dilla's "Eff'd Up" was made way before Ye resold it as "Takeover"
Jul 30th 2013
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interesting. did he resell it because he knew MCA was folding?
Jul 30th 2013
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Kanye re-selling beats is a common thread here, lol.
Jul 30th 2013
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...which was also re-sold to former Roc hopeful Grafh as "We Ridin'"
Jul 30th 2013
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Old story is he stole All I need from a dead Philly rapper
Jul 30th 2013
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RE: Give me that beat fool: a history of Jay-Z jackin' for beats
Jul 30th 2013
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this sounds like more like mofos can't tell Jay no
Jul 30th 2013
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RE: this sounds like more like mofos can't tell Jay no
Jul 30th 2013
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He did it to Kanye with 'Lucifer' too...
Jul 30th 2013
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1. "interesing post. how u forget Renegade tho?"
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4. "Edited to include Detroit"
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lol

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2. "that's on all those other cats for what they did to cold crush tho"
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10. "LOL n/m"
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3. "I'd rather hear Jay than every single nigga he jacked from"
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Camp Lo might get a pass

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7. "RE: I'd rather hear Jay than every single nigga he jacked from"
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Lol, yeah, I looked at all these like, "Yeah, I'm cool with that." Would Camp Lo even have existed if Hov had gotten his hands on "Luchini"?

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12. "Couldn't have. At least I wouldn't have heard of em"
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13. "that's not even their first single"
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but Jay wouldn't have done that beat justice anyway

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16. "Jay would have murdered that beat in 96 "
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that was right in his wheelhouse at the time

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17. "It's not but that's THEIR single. I hadn't heard of them until that"
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29. "interesting. I bet, but they'll always be the Sparkle guys to me"
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since I got introduced to them through the Avalanches.


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18. "Coolie High was pretty big before Luchini popped off"
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Not having Luchini would have definitely hurt their debut though

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25. "I personally am glad he got 'Politics As Usual'"
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That's the song that made me 'get' Jay. He murdered that and raised the Stylistics stock all in one fail swoop...

  

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5. "was there any fallout from Em taking Royce's verses off? "
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was that why Royce went at Em?

  

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8. "No, Royce wrote about it couple years back, said Hell yea!"
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http://www.vibe.com/article/royce-da-59-compares-original-renegade-jay-zs-version-it-helped-me-grow


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6. "how did they leave off 'PSA' & 'Stay Real' Black Moon?"
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Is it because that was more on Just Blaze?

Does anyone remember when Mr Walt from Beatminerz came in here for the post about that on behalf of Evil Dee?

Or was it the other way around?

I can't recall the details now nor can I find it in archives.

That wasn't quite on the level of the top-tier 'Casual vs Archaic' http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=7376&mesg_id=7376&listing_type=search , AKILTHEJ5MC's CAPS-LOCK WAR DECLARATION, Kweli vs. ImRickJamesBitch, Muscles vs Ock, Lupe's 'Because Q-Tip Is My Friend & Asked Me Too' or even this other Beatminerz board blowup http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=5916&mesg_id=5916&listing_type=search in terms of Legendary Lesson Beef but it was still pretty entertaining if memory serves.

  

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9. "that was just the same sample tho"
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11. "I actually thought about something last week when playing "Luchini""
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Thinkin about the "Feelin it" story...I just wondered, how dope, or wack, would it have been if Jay had somehow got the beat for "Luchini" instead of Camp Lo?

I haven't heard anyone mention it before, but I always felt that the verses on there are ehhhh....but that hook is !!!!!!!!!! So I think that Jay would have made more memorable verses, but I doubt the hook woulda been as strong.

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14. "those verses are extra insturments on that record"
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Geechi Seude was also writing with no paper before Jay or Big, in fact Ski says that Jay saw Geech do it first then started after that

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15. "Jay mighta tried the hook & done ok, course he woulda killed the verses"
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he definitely woulda had someone else handle the smoothed-out-jazzy-hook for 'Sparkle' which coupled with a great verse or two coulda been incredible.

  

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19. "didn't ?uest influence Jay's decision to use"
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the Just Blaze Rick James flip he posted on MySpace for "Kingdom Come"?


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41. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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i played him that Just Beat.

i wish he'd didnt rush job it. that was still an incredible flip.

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45. "RE: didn't ?uest influence Jay's decision to use"
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yep.. BORED

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20. "So The Lesson Is: Don't Ask For Jay-Z To Guest Appear On Your..."
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...song, cause if the beat is hot enough he won't just rap on it, he'll take it completely for himself; and he might...just might let you guest appear on your own song, LOL!

To tell you the truth, this has happened so many times in the music industry that it was common practice back in the day between music writers, musicians, and singers.


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21. "btw, isnt that Geda K doing the hook on "Never Change""
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not Kanye?


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22. "plus "Izzo" was originally a Diplomats record"
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http://www.sohh.com/2009/04/jim_jones_doc_spills_roca.html

and so they Jay-Z'ed him and took "Oh Boy,"
which Jay then tried to Jay-Z and put a remix to: http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.17067/title.the-diplomats-talk-history-with-jay-z-deleting-his-oh-boy-remix-verse

which they deleted, lol


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23. "Hmm, Cam;s full of shit though"
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Coz at that point in time Jay was murdering everything in sight.

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36. "I coulda sworn that Izzo beat was for Mike Love's radio show"
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Dude used to post here around that time and I believe he said Kanye made that beat for him as an intro to his WGCI radio show in Chicago. I think he even planned to have Common rap on it.

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38. "could be both. n/m"
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24. "Lenny S explained the situation with Sparks "
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for I Just Wanna Love U to LowKey im sure if u search for it u will find it

  

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26. "People in the industry are proud groupies for Jay, huh?"
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Niggas screwing over their own homies just to say they made a subpar track with Jay-Z.

Beyond corny.

  

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27. "same shit i was thinking"
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ppl really are afraid as fuck to utter a negative word abt the dude

like supposedly tough street dudes, scared as shit to endanger their paper by speaking negatively of the "big homie"

shit, i may need to chill before i get a mysterious pink slip one day w/ the hashtag #mylaugh on it

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28. "RE: Give me that beat fool: a history of Jay-Z jackin' for beats"
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if you doing beats for MC Generic and the No Name Crew and the hottest mc in the game wants the beat are you really gonna pass up a chance to work with them...?


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31. "^^^^^ this is right."
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And this type of shit been happening in the music industry since day one. This doesn't really mean anything.

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32. "RE: ^^^^^ this is right."
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>And this type of shit been happening in the music industry
>since day one. This doesn't really mean anything.

Right. I know Big Boi is as notorious. No telling how many tracks got jacked and shuffled at Bad Boy over the years.

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35. "this & the folks who got jacked having legit gripes"
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are not mutually exclusive

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39. "Ehh, where are the gripes exactly?"
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40. "theoretically, if any of the jacked artists had a gripe, my bad"
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30. "if you did a beat for your boy and Nas wanted it, what would you do?"
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Niggas just don't like Jay. The only case where the other song was just as good is the Camp Lo version of Feelin' It.

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33. "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"
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$

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44. "RE: if you did a beat for your boy and Nas wanted it, what would you do?"
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>Niggas just don't like Jay. The only case where the other
>song was just as good is the Camp Lo version of Feelin' It.
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I listened to it and clearly something is not accurate..

first of all this sound like a freestyle session...


and ski is screaming Rok a Blok which I thought came about after Roc a Fella was started.. maybe im wrong on that.

and Jay Clearly did a more focused , cleaner and precise job on this beat. im sure if it wasnt for him Lucini would have came out sounding like this.. so Iron sharpens Iron.

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48. "RE: if you did a beat for your boy and Nas wanted it, what would you do?"
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no doubt, it was just a demo before Jay got it and roc-a-blok was in the making during 94-95. Ski speaks on the "Feelin it" joint here. According to him it wasn't for Camp Lo but his (Ski's) solo album.

http://www.complex.com/music/2010/09/ski-beatz-tells-all-the-stories-behind-his-biggest-hits/feelin-it

Jay-Z f/ Mecca "Feelin' It" (1996)

Ski: "That was my song! It was a song I was working on for my album at the time. It was me and Suede from Camp Lo rapping on it. I was happy about the song so I ran up in Dame’s house and Jay was there. I played it for them and they got the mad frown face, bopping they head, like, 'This is dope!'

Then Jay was like, 'You know you gotta give me that song right?' I was like, 'What do you mean? I just did this song!' He was like, 'Come on B, I need that for my album. You know we’re working on this album. Give me that beat, I want that hook too.' He took the beat, the hook, and the flow too! Which was cool, it wasn’t like he didn't ask me for it. He didn’t jack it. He told me he was going to do it.

"The thing with Mecca she sung the hook. She got paid for singing, obviously. But I wrote the hook for the song. I guess the people that she was dealing with got in her ear and made her think she wrote the song and that she deserved all the publishing and that burned the bridge for what we was doing. They definitely wanted to work with her but it never got that far."

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34. "Calling this beat jacking is not understanding how the industry works"
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It sounds like in each of these instances the producer gladly fave jay the beat. Why? Because producers are in the business of selling beats.

I mean several artist hustling to get their hands on hot beats happens all the time.


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37. ""All I Need" from the BP is a situation like this too"
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I forget the artists name, someone who ended up passing away though who Bink was working with... song was fully recorded...

  

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42. "Dilla's "Eff'd Up" was made way before Ye resold it as "Takeover""
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i dunno if you can say this is jack more than its a mofo re selling a beat (which as a beatmaker is a crime)

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43. "interesting. did he resell it because he knew MCA was folding?"
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or was it yet another Big Homie situation? lol.

i'll always prefer Takeover tho. *shrugs*

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49. "Kanye re-selling beats is a common thread here, lol."
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53. "...which was also re-sold to former Roc hopeful Grafh as "We Ridin'""
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http://www.allmusic.com/song/we-ridin-mt0020448607

(yes the mixtape says release date 2009 but the actual song came out around 2001/2002)

Note the slower beat with less sound effects

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46. "Old story is he stole All I need from a dead Philly rapper"
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47. "RE: Give me that beat fool: a history of Jay-Z jackin' for beats"
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My only issue with the Omilio sparks shit is what did he write?? I mean the part he has on the song is a Rick James line.. So even if he came up with it.. Rick could've easily railed them for publishing and he'd be the first to lose it

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50. "this sounds like more like mofos can't tell Jay no"
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I wonder how long that shit will last?

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51. "RE: this sounds like more like mofos can't tell Jay no"
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Think of how many beats Blue Ivy, Red Lotus, and Water Lily are gonna muscle for 50th anniversary albums and greatest hits shit.

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52. "He did it to Kanye with 'Lucifer' too..."
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