had some jams.

I was listening to DJ Quik's Pandora station earlier, and "Relax Ya Mind" came out. I forgot how great that beat was.

So I went back and listened to a lot of the album. And there's some fuckin beats on that shit. Relax Ya Mind, Smokin Me Out, Annie Mae, Back Up, Can You Feel It, Young Fun...that album is almost forgotten but it's got some excellent west coast jams on there.

Does anyone even remember this shit? Haha

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i don't remember anything on the album and i downloaded it at some point in the 00's...

anyway you slice it i think it was universally viewed as a lackluster follow-up to "the g-funk era".

Yea word. I'm really not making a statement about the album as a whole body of work. I, like all of us I'm sure, had simply basically forgotten that it existed so I was pleasantly surprised when I went back and remembered that it did have a couple of gems despite its shortcomings. That's all.

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>i don't remember anything on the album and i downloaded it at
>some point in the 00's...
>
>anyway you slice it i think it was universally viewed as a
>lackluster follow-up to "the g-funk era".
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Rhythm-al-ism
Likwidation
At The Speed Of Life

Um........maybe an argument for No Limit Topp Dogg (much better than the prior one but still not all that good even by bloated Snoop album standards)?

Street Gospel, Soul Assasins, Streetz Iz A Mutha qualify to me.

Bow Down?

I gotta be missing some but yeah that wasn't exactly a heavy-hitting list.

Yeah I thought Top Dogg was dope, still do.

Bow Down was right after Pac died, but Bow down was going hard as hell the summer before. I'd say Mack 10's "The recipe" was bangin hard when it dropped, was definitely more regional though. Same with "The shadiest one" which is a possible L.A. classic as well. WSCG basically owned that period, but it wasn't for the rest of the nation to love. "Backyard boogie" dropped in that time, so a lot of our singles were really catered to us only, aside from Xzibit, Liks, and even BEP "Joints and jams" when our underground started to make some noise.

I felt 2001 was our best year after 95-96, and still do. The last few years have been the most diverse, but the climate is almost too different to compare.

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>Yeah I thought Top Dogg was dope, still do.
>
>Bow Down was right after Pac died, but Bow down was going hard
>as hell the summer before.

yeah you're right, I just remember reading a review when the album dropped about that album's call to coastal arms being 'quite possibly the most unfortunately timed rap album ever' or words to that effect.

I'd say Mack 10's "The recipe" was
>bangin hard when it dropped, was definitely more regional
>though. Same with "The shadiest one" which is a possible L.A.
>classic as well. WSCG basically owned that period, but it
>wasn't for the rest of the nation to love. "Backyard boogie"
>dropped in that time, so a lot of our singles were really
>catered to us only, aside from Xzibit, Liks, and even BEP
>"Joints and jams" when our underground started to make some
>noise.
>
>I felt 2001 was our best year after 95-96, and still do. The
>last few years have been the most diverse, but the climate is
>almost too different to compare.

Oh I thought you meant 2001 as in Dre's album so I was trying to keep it in a 'before fourth quarter of 99' period.

Actually now that you mention it tho I'd love to see what you'd list as the best ones from 2001 when you get a minute.

in my opinion...so at first, yeah I was speaking about the album, and said that "2001 was our best year" speaking about the year itself.

Nov 99, Streetz, Chronic 2001, and Eastsidaz "G'd up" single all dropped, and we knew we were back. 2000 had Balance and Options, Suga Free & Mausberg's project, Doggy's angels (great production) and a few others, but 2001 the year itself was much better.

From December of 2000 on to the end of 2001.....we had:
X "Restless" (got major love in L.A. at least)
Snoop "Da last meal"...along with "Dead man walkin" which had a few dope old tracks....
Bad Azz "Personal business"....
DPG "Dillinger & Young Gotti"...
The Wash Soundtrack...
Tha Eastsidaz "Duces & Trays" which somehow debuted at #4 on the overall Billboard charts...
Kurupt "Space boogie" which wasn't quite Streetz but gave us "On on site"......
Dilated Peoples "Expansion team" which put them in the know for L.A.'s "Real Hip Hop" groups
Tha Liks got us some commercial love with "Best u can"....
Nate Dogg "Music and me" which showed that he could actually make a solid album...
Baby Boy soundtrack with the titled lead single gettin major play...
Dogg Pound 2002 which was mainly leftovers, but had bangers like "Gangsta rap" on it....
2Pac "Until the end of time" which was probably the last good posthumous Pac album...
Soopafly's 99 Death Row album finally came out and was really just for us die hard types....
Jimmy Bones soundtrack which actually had some bangers on it too, mainly from Fred Wreck.


We had plenty singles in rotation, such as everything from those albums above, Shade Sheist "Where I wanna be" Chico and Coolwadda "High come down" Quik and Dre "Put it on me" Mr. Short Khop "Dollaz, drank and dank" Kam "Have a fit" (club hit, took Pistol grip pump), Nate Dogg was on EVERYTHING, so even other Region's singles had a West Coast feel, like "Area Codes" and "You can't deny it."

And then, Dre was still riding the success from Dre 2001, so he put out Busta "Genesis" in which some songs felt hella West. Ruff Ryders even had Tha Eastsidaz on a song.

Basically everything we did that year was dope, to me...and then, after 2001, we completely lost it somehow...everything changed. Snoop's bootleg to "Paid da cost" had songs similar to Tha Last Meal, and the actual album did as well, but the Neptunes had the lead singles. Knoc-Turn'al's lead single "The Knoc" with Missy failed to capitalize off "Bad intentions" buzz. Quik came with "Under tha influence" which had some bangers, but the Dre collabo didn't bring him outside of L.A. like we'd hoped. E-40 "Grit n grind" was a banger, and that actually started the shift of momentum up to The Bay, and showed a quick glimpse at Hyphy before it took over. Tha Eastsidaz basically broke up, so all we got was some leftover classics like "Bottom girl" in 2003. Xzibit and Snoop ended up beefing a bit, and Dre focused energy on Em and 50. Kurupt went to Death Row, and him and Daz split right at the end of the period where both of them made dope music. The Wash didn't generate enough hype for Dre and Snoop to keep working together at the time, and then the shit with JD and Suge made their relationship a bit worse at the time. Jay and Nas brought attention back to the East, setting up 50 (and almost Joe Budden) by 2003....and in 2002, The South was like "ok....we got a formula, let's GO" and started their dominant run.

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What was Xzibit and Snoop's beef about do you have any idea? I've alwayas wondered why X fell out with everyone in that camp. I never was able to find anything.

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and that's Snoop's man. He also got punked by Suge during this time and while he was acting like he was all about DPG shit he showed he was really an outsider along for the checks. Snoop checked him on it. Snoop and his team had a lot of respect for the Likwid crew and felt like Xzibit didn't show them enough love when they actually put him on.

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In the JD case, was Snoop mad at Dre too?

And what did Suge do to punk X?

Sorry for all the questions this is just interesting to me.

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I believe Suge had the drop on X in the club and dude got on some "I just wanna make music, I got kids" shit. Peep Snoop's song Pimp Slap for some commentary on it.

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he goes after a lot of people too. i think that was the first time anyone dissed suge publicly.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

I mean lyrically it wasn't wildly potent or anything but he went HARD so it's historical just for the fact that, like you said, no one had the balls to go after Suge by name previously. Snoop came right out with it. I was actually just surprised as I read through the lyrics. I never realized how hard he went at him til I just read it. He was calling out shit about stuff that happened in jail and shit like that. Wild.

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Tray Dee n Goldie Loc, think it was called "Pimpin" or somethin...came out in 2001. And during the verse, Tray Dee was rappin bout whatev, and Snoop hopped in and said "Suge Knight is a fat bitch, hahaaaa!!!!!" and Tray kept rappin like nothin happened.

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and how he didn't like it because cube wasn't saying that stuff until Pac got out of jail and had the whole east/west thing going on.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

Coincidentally, this was the period of time when west coast underground hip hop was at it's height.

>Coincidentally, this was the period of time when west coast
>underground hip hop was at it's height.
>
>

Right. This is when a lot of heads (myself included) started focusing more on westcost underground MCs and crews like:
Mystik Journeymen
Living Legends
Hiero
Project Blowed (Aceyalone, Abstract Rude, CVE...)

Not as much as his first one, but I thought it had some joints.

What We Go Through was one of my favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2swZBkhdhQ

Never knew why he was dissing LL on that though.

Yea it's obviously not as good as the first but it has some gems.

Where was he dissin' LL? And why?

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Unless he was just dissing imaginary rappers and using a lot of LL references to do it, for some reason.

"These MC's is scared to buck
plus they talk too much and smoke too many blunts"

- reference to LL's "drink too much and smoke too many blunts" line in Hey Lover

"Sweet as Mr. Smith's cookies"

"in the back seat of my fo'
While ya Goin Back To Cali, watch how you flow"

- Back Seat of My Jeep and Goin Back to Cali reference

Even "Now ya know, about this Warren G Era
G-Funk terror, look into tha mirror
And what you see is the don of the company"

- They were both on Def Jam at the time.

I never picked up on that but I tend not to focus too much on WG's lyrics for obvious reasons haha so that explains that.

Is there any backstory to this that you know of? Seems random.

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"If you saw the movie Wall Street I guess you know
The way ya stack chips and regulate wild dough
But ain't no G-funk and far from my era
Tales from the hood your boyz will feel terror
MC's contaminatin' tracks with feces
You think of pussy until a flick like Species
Hi tech ya my pen got velocity
Jumpin' out the SSL like Virtuosity
And never question what I'm doin' to ya girl
She let me dive deep like her panties is Waterworld
But all metaphors the only thing in rap
You brothers need to stop with that"

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"In LA, they gangbang, but when you touch a mic, your muthafuckin ass hang..."

I was surprised more West Coast MC's didn't take offense for that, unless they did and I missed it.



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It seemed like it wasn't meant for anyone in particular, just wack west coast rappers in general....and maybe Warren took offense.

But the Hollis to Hollywood line is obviously directed to Warren. I never caught that one, I guess I didn't pay close enough attention to that song.

"If you saw the movie Wall Street I guess you know
The way ya stack chips and regulate wild dough
But ain't no G-funk and far from my era
Tales from the hood your boyz will feel terror
MC's contaminatin' tracks with feces
You think of pussy until a flick like Species
Hi tech ya my pen got velocity
Jumpin' out the SSL like Virtuosity
And never question what I'm doin' to ya girl
She let me dive deep like her panties is Waterworld
But all metaphors the only thing in rap
You brothers need to stop with that"

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

been the only song from that album I listened to often, too. Damn

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heard this album. I was super young, and had to sneak to buy/listen to certain albums...but I never had enough interest to check it out, probably because the singles didn't move me. "I shot the sheriff" was the lead single.

He came back a bit stronger on the next album, especially with the singles. "I want it all" was ridiculously dope to me, flipped the hell out of Debarge.

I do want to check this out, now. But as I mentioned above...the post Pac, pre-2001 era was painful for L.A. music, and this just fell into that too. We had some regional gems like Rhyhtmalism, Street Gospel, and Top Dogg was dope for sure. But commercially, nobody was f'kin with us much.

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He was actually good?

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love em"

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>heard this album. I was super young, and had to sneak to
>buy/listen to certain albums...but I never had enough interest
>to check it out, probably because the singles didn't move me.
>"I shot the sheriff" was the lead single.

Yea I remember that being the lead. He used the EPMD Remix for the single right?

>He came back a bit stronger on the next album, especially with
>the singles. "I want it all" was ridiculously dope to me,
>flipped the hell out of Debarge.

Dogg I LOVE "I Want It All". I thought that album was so dope. Both at the time it came out and today. I listened to it a month or so ago and it's still really good. Similar to God's Son for Nas (though obviously I'd never compare the 2 artists) this was when Warren came his most personal and for a whole album, it came off sincere and legit. The beats were dope (pun not intended but "I Need a Dope Beat" was always a personal favorite) and it was sequenced well with good guest spots. I still listen to that "If We Give You a Chance" track with Slick Rick semi-often. Rick's verse is money.


>I do want to check this out, now. But as I mentioned
>above...the post Pac, pre-2001 era was painful for L.A. music,
>and this just fell into that too. We had some regional gems
>like Rhyhtmalism, Street Gospel, and Top Dogg was dope for
>sure. But commercially, nobody was f'kin with us much.

Yea you named all the right ones. I kept trying to like the albums cause I was always such a big West Coast hiphop fan, but a lot of the music from that time just didn't resonate. I did like a good amount of Kuruption!, but it was way too uneven and obviously a big step down lyrically for the most part from what we'd come to expect from Tha Kingpin to that point.

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>>heard this album. I was super young, and had to sneak to
>>buy/listen to certain albums...but I never had enough
>interest
>>to check it out, probably because the singles didn't move
>me.
>>"I shot the sheriff" was the lead single.
>
>Yea I remember that being the lead. He used the EPMD Remix for
>the single right?

I remember hearing two different ones, not sure which one was the single.

>>He came back a bit stronger on the next album, especially
>with
>>the singles. "I want it all" was ridiculously dope to me,
>>flipped the hell out of Debarge.
>
>Dogg I LOVE "I Want It All". I thought that album was so dope.
>Both at the time it came out and today. I listened to it a
>month or so ago and it's still really good. Similar to God's
>Son for Nas (though obviously I'd never compare the 2 artists)
>this was when Warren came his most personal and for a whole
>album, it came off sincere and legit. The beats were dope (pun
>not intended but "I Need a Dope Beat" was always a personal
>favorite) and it was sequenced well with good guest spots. I
>still listen to that "If We Give You a Chance" track with
>Slick Rick semi-often. Rick's verse is money.

That shit was ridic, I even made a beat modeled after the drums on it.

>>I do want to check this out, now. But as I mentioned
>>above...the post Pac, pre-2001 era was painful for L.A.
>music,
>>and this just fell into that too. We had some regional gems
>>like Rhyhtmalism, Street Gospel, and Top Dogg was dope for
>>sure. But commercially, nobody was f'kin with us much.
>
>Yea you named all the right ones. I kept trying to like the
>albums cause I was always such a big West Coast hiphop fan,
>but a lot of the music from that time just didn't resonate. I
>did like a good amount of Kuruption!, but it was way too
>uneven and obviously a big step down lyrically for the most
>part from what we'd come to expect from Tha Kingpin to that
>point.

Yea Kuruption was a major flop, but I can say "We can freak it" is a complete classic, so the album was worth if even if just for that one song. And even "Ask yourself a question" which I think sounds better now somehow than it did then. "Streetz" was dope, and that came right along with 2001 when we started to get it back.

Ice Cube's albums sold, but War n Peace Vol 1 at that time was seen as being horrible. The soudntracks had a few hitters, shit like Gang related and Caught up, but nothing close to the Boyz n da hood and Above the rim era. And speaking of soundtracks....to me, what really showed that we were dead was that "The Wood" dropped in 99, and it was a L.A. West Coast movie with NOOOO (new) L.A. songs on the soundtrack!!!! Only one was "Back in the day" from Ahmad, and there was a Too Short song....but the lead single was from Mystikal and Outkast. Just showed how hard we had fallen off.

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>Yea Kuruption was a major flop, but I can say "We can freak
>it" is a complete classic, so the album was worth if even if
>just for that one song. And even "Ask yourself a question"
>which I think sounds better now somehow than it did then.
>"Streetz" was dope, and that came right along with 2001 when
>we started to get it back.

Streetz is a great album. And, I couldn't agree more about Kuruption! in that It could've had 100 awful songs but it was worth dropping for We Can Freak It alone. That was a Battlecat beat, right? What a fuckin beat on that. Loved that video, too.


>Ice Cube's albums sold, but War n Peace Vol 1 at that time was
>seen as being horrible. The soudntracks had a few hitters,
>shit like Gang related and Caught up, but nothing close to the
>Boyz n da hood and Above the rim era. And speaking of
>soundtracks....to me, what really showed that we were dead was
>that "The Wood" dropped in 99, and it was a L.A. West Coast
>movie with NOOOO (new) L.A. songs on the soundtrack!!!! Only
>one was "Back in the day" from Ahmad, and there was a Too
>Short song....but the lead single was from Mystikal and
>Outkast. Just showed how hard we had fallen off.

Haha wow. I never knew that about the soundtrack. That's ridiculous.
Classic movie, while we're on the subject.

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along with What U See is What U Get being one of the best hip hop videos ever.

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And yes, I remember when I first saw the What U See is What U Get video, I had no idea who Xzibit was but I loved the theme of the video and obviously the song was poppin.

Chamber Music is one HELL of a way to open an album.

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>He came back a bit stronger on the next album, especially with
>the singles. "I want it all" was ridiculously dope to me,
>flipped the hell out of Debarge.

not a bad album overall, definitely some gems on there.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

Look Over Your Shoulder was an album that took a minute to click with me, but I actually ended up preferring it to Regulate.

My favorite off that was 'We Brings Heat':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAEAhacliX4

Probably my favorite Warren G beat ever was on the Twinz album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTs1DTE4mmw

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>Look Over Your Shoulder was an album that took a minute to
>click with me, but I actually ended up preferring it to
>Regulate.
>
>My favorite off that was 'We Brings Heat':
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAEAhacliX4
>
>Probably my favorite Warren G beat ever was on the Twinz
>album:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTs1DTE4mmw
>
>~Austin
>
>http://austintayeshus.blogspot.com
>http://www.last.fm/user/Austintayeshus
>http://twitter.com/Austintayeshus

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Professor soundtrack. That beat STILL sounds amazing to me

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and soundtrack that had his name on it...so I got Bad Boys soundtrack b/c it had a slightly diff version of "So many ways" and then bought Nutty Professor solely because I saw his name on it, didn't even hear the song until I got home....and said !!!!!!!!!

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was fuckin fire, too. I forget the name of it. But it's dope as fuck. Beat is soooo smooth.

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from the non deathrow, g funk stuff that is. that album is smooth as hell.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

career on the boards. I know he's still around but he's not really poppin outside of random appearances. It shocks me cause I thought he was really talented at putting together beats that were hard but had a good groove to them.

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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”