6. "That's iffy imo. Both guys were the lead mc's in their groups" In response to Reply # 4
> I don't think either guy has a production credit that predates their 1st rapping appearance. I would omit DJ Quik (as Complex has) for the same reason. I'd probably put any of those guys over Minnesota though. I always loved his beats but I had no idea that he'd ever laid a verse on ANYTHING.
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29. "well, the first Main Source 12" dropped in '89 so" In response to Reply # 13
That still puts his status in the group ahead of his outside production career.
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>>> >>I don't think either guy has a production credit that >predates >>their 1st rapping appearance. > >i haven't seen credits for either, but if he was credited then >he would definitely qualify. > > >>I'd probably put any of those guys over Minnesota though. I >>always loved his beats but I had no idea that he'd ever laid >a >>verse on ANYTHING. > >say word...that one messed me all the way up. i thought i was >up on a lot of stuff, but i've never heard of Minnesota >kicking rhymes.
3. "I mean, El-P and Large Pro should both be on the list" In response to Reply # 0
Especially if you're gonna put in "underground" picks like Showbiz or Kid Capri. And you wanted to throw in an underground pleaser, I'd add Godfather Don as well.
11. "Alchemist didn't produce the 1st Whooliganz single, so why is he on here..." In response to Reply # 0 Tue Oct-09-12 03:22 PM by micMajestic
Dude had a deal with Tommy Boy as a part of a rap duo. I remember there being a write-up in the Source about the group, and they were hyping his rapping skills, drawing comparisons to Grand Puba. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show http://thecombatjackshow.com/
12. ""Who STARTED as Producers"" In response to Reply # 0
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22. "Showbiz produced the two AG featured songs on "Funky Technician"" In response to Reply # 18
so he stays on the list because that album predates all the Show & AG stuff. Madlib has production credits on the 1st Alkaholiks album. That predates "Psyche Move", so he stays as well. I think you're right about Oddisee though, maybe his image makes people assume he was a producer first. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show http://thecombatjackshow.com/
24. "Madlib rapped on the first two Tha Alkaholiks albums" In response to Reply # 22
Both of which predates "Psyche Move." He was on "Turn Tha Party Out" and I'm pretty sure he was on "WLIX."
I remembered about the Showbiz produced Lord Finesse cuts and soon as I hit post.
And honestly, Zone's inclusion as a producer "first" is a little suspect. He had, what, one song on one obscure Preacher Earl 12"? He made his name on "Music For Tu Madre."
27. "Yeah you're right he's rapping on "Turn Tha Party Out"." In response to Reply # 24
>Both of which predates "Psyche Move." He was on "Turn Tha >Party Out" and I'm pretty sure he was on "WLIX." > >I remembered about the Showbiz produced Lord Finesse cuts and >soon as I hit post. > >And honestly, Zone's inclusion as a producer "first" is a >little suspect. He had, what, one song on one obscure Preacher >Earl 12"? He made his name on "Music For Tu Madre."
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35. "they did it to big up Kaney, not to diss Rizz" In response to Reply # 16
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31. "I mean, didn't he produce his first solo album?" In response to Reply # 30
Actually, no matter if the answer is yes or no, it would disqualify him from the list. If he did, then he gets disqualified for the same reasons as Large Professor or El-P. If he didn't, then he techincally rapped before he ever produced a track.
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49. "not professionally" In response to Reply # 43
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34. "^^That's what I'm thinking" In response to Reply # 33
I'm pretty sure he was in the lab with Paul C and them before he hooked up with Scratch & Cut for Main Source
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41. "wait... Kid Capri actually rapped?" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Oct-10-12 12:21 PM by Dr Claw
(I just remembered now. been 10 000 years since I've heard it, but I've always thought of him as one of the earliest DJ/Hypeman type dudes on records in that Khaled sort of vein)
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