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MEAT
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"Always listening enabled devices, do you have one and to what end?"
Tue Dec-05-17 01:31 PM by MEAT

  

          

https://gizmodo.com/dont-buy-anyone-an-echo-1820981732

My MIL and FIL both have an echo. MIL also has internet connected cameras now at her home. For the life of me I don't understand why.

How did we even get here? My dad asked me to get one of those new iPhones with facial recognition and I just don't see that happening. At what point do the minimal ease of use gains come with redline considerations that shouldn't be crossed?

Side note: your iPhone spies on you in weirder ways each iOS update. Start typing keywords in your photo search bar and see all the weird shit that comes up.

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for iOS, your indexed photo data is stored on the device only
Dec 05th 2017
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Is the learning algorithm pre programmed? And/or how does it improve?
Dec 05th 2017
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that facial recognition is scary as shit
Dec 05th 2017
3
Nah, but Android be all up in your business too
Dec 05th 2017
4
When I don't know how to turn that off (work phone)
Dec 05th 2017
5
i hate that. i hate it so much.
Dec 05th 2017
9
It's too late Meat...we're all done for
Dec 05th 2017
6
My bigger issue is cost versus worth
Dec 05th 2017
12
      Me personally...I want a house I can talk to
Dec 05th 2017
18
Fuck no
Dec 05th 2017
7
no sense in fighting the inevitable...'they' already got 'ALL' your ish
Dec 05th 2017
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They really don't though.
Dec 05th 2017
10
      they do
Dec 05th 2017
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      That's historical data, their predictive capability is still crap
Dec 05th 2017
13
      lol...ok
Dec 05th 2017
15
           My argument isn't that they don't have it
Dec 05th 2017
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                Yet...Funny sn..i work with a system that they (NSA) also uses...but yea...
Dec 05th 2017
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                     I believe it's being done on large and imprecise scales
Dec 05th 2017
19
                          I agree 100% with you there
Dec 05th 2017
20
The way Android listens to/records your conversations tho...smh
Dec 05th 2017
14
Not cool at all
Dec 05th 2017
21

Innocent Criminal
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1. "for iOS, your indexed photo data is stored on the device only"
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Which is why it indexes when you wipe or get a new device. Not too scary if you're the only one in control of it. *supposedly*

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MEAT
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Tue Dec-05-17 01:40 PM

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2. "Is the learning algorithm pre programmed? And/or how does it improve?"
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legsdiamond
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Tue Dec-05-17 01:42 PM

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3. "that facial recognition is scary as shit"
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gonna be at home broke as fuck cause you walked past a kiosk and looked at it for too long.

Not a fan

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flipnile
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Tue Dec-05-17 01:43 PM

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4. "Nah, but Android be all up in your business too"
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I get messages talking about "hey, flipnile... so how'd you like that Jamaican food spot you were at yesterday from 2:06pm to 2:22pm? *picture enclosed of the Jamaican spot* Was the food banging? Leave a review!"


I cut my always-on stuff off as a default, since I hate it wasting the battery and I hate saying "Hi, Galaxy!" (can't change this shit, either).

  

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MEAT
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5. "When I don't know how to turn that off (work phone)"
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I just tell it I wasn't there.

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BrooklynWHAT
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Tue Dec-05-17 01:56 PM

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9. "i hate that. i hate it so much."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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auragin_boi
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6. "It's too late Meat...we're all done for"
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The people off the grid or who don't 'really' trust tech might be done a little slower but it's inevitable.

No one cares about privacy anymore. No amount of litigation will change that either.

Me personally, I'm just waiting until I can become a cyborg and control the hack prevention internally.

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2017/04/04/the_future_of_human_augmentation_and_performance_enhancement.html

I gave up the fight sometime last year. smh

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MEAT
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12. "My bigger issue is cost versus worth"
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Like how much innovation are the newest innovations really doing?

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auragin_boi
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18. "Me personally...I want a house I can talk to"
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I don't let my devices listen 24/7. They are muted (which I know doesn't mean they aren't listening) most of the day. I un-mute them when I want to give commands/will be home and need the assistant.

People panic about a device listening but EVERY space story we've ever seen has had a ship with a computer that is always listening and does your bidding.

Now all of a sudden we are scared of the future/present.

Right now, I have smart lighting, appliances (TV, Fridge, Stove, dishwasher, washer/dryer), video intercom, thermostat and external cameras. I will soon have a robot vacuum. I want them all connected so I can speak and things get done.

I'm on that Jetsons life!

Family room:
http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/jetsons-tv-screen-sm.jpeg
Intercom:
http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/jetsons-ep2-child-cam.jpeg
Oven and Microwave:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/18/article-2759886-217685F100000578-928_634x400.jpg
Sleep Number Bed:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NJ15rzdv59E/WK6654RjLEI/AAAAAAABHdc/gObtvhp2vlwklvrz9YRUmHCMRIkVQz6TQCLcB/s1600/NIMBUS%2B%252815%2529.png
Real Life Homey:
https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Jetsons1.jpg

LOL

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shygurl
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Tue Dec-05-17 01:53 PM

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7. "Fuck no"
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I have a computer, a tablet, and a phone, I don't see the point of those sort of always on units. There's never anything so pressing in my life that it can't wait 15 seconds for me to open up one of my personal devices I already have.

  

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8. "no sense in fighting the inevitable...'they' already got 'ALL' your ish"
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no one is safe or immune

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MEAT
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10. "They really don't though. "
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They have an abundance of data that they lack the sophistication to handle or parse to make sense of
If we really wanted to shut down the system just have everyone contribute to the system honestly

Most systems you use that are tech have a high level of human backend to make them run
Which in my opinion makes it worse
Receipt scanning tech is data input by third party humans (yikes)
Abusive content flagging is checked by humans aside from some choice keywords (YouTube, google, Facebook, twitter all have human back ends)
And those are just two examples


Even your Spotify recommended playlists (which are excellent) get by from using software mixed with human created affinity playlists.

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11. "they do"
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I bet if they wanted they could tell you where you have been these last 30 days, what you ate, wheat you bought, what you watched..

and real talk, while I think about unplugging from all this I smh at folks who try to act like they are unplugged from it all.

There is a coworker who is a little older and I set up his Iphone. Dude was like "how do I make a call? How do I send a text message? How do I..." I just walked away.

Folks who say "I never heard of that (insert artist, song, movie, show) are also side eyed. If you don't know google that shit. You don't sound cool you sound uninformed.

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MEAT
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13. "That's historical data, their predictive capability is still crap"
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Tue Dec-05-17 02:37 PM by MEAT

  

          

Particularly if you're a minority
I'm far less concerned with someone knowing what I've done than I am with their capability for predicting what I'll do.

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15. "lol...ok"
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MEAT
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16. "My argument isn't that they don't have it "
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It's that they have so much of it and lack the sophistication and capabilities to properly use it

Old but relevant
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2013/10/15/nsa-complains-that-it-has-access-to-too-much-data-actually/?utm_term=.808f8181a6b8

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17. "Yet...Funny sn..i work with a system that they (NSA) also uses...but yea..."
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Tue Dec-05-17 02:56 PM by ambient1

  

          

...it's definitely a 'yet' situation

all they need is analysts and a reason

and k.i.m. the govt has red tape that the private sector doesn't...so it's already being done just not on the scale you think..............yet

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19. "I believe it's being done on large and imprecise scales"
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And that's it's subject to the blind spots of near every major system; that it's developed by and to be used by a majority of white males who have huge blinders in a number of different arenas, blinders which allow them to not understand the data they acquire and develop faulty assumptions off of it.
This can be seen in credit scores, video recommmedations, advertising, and health studies amongst other things

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20. "I agree 100% with you there"
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14. "The way Android listens to/records your conversations tho...smh"
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We were in Nashville talking about finding a rib joint.

My phone just blurted out "here are some barbecue restaurants in your area"

...and nobody said "OK Google"






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21. "Not cool at all"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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